now. >> american diplomats are bracing for retaliation from russia. more than two dozen countries following suit and what britain calls the largest expulsion in history. now russia says they will be respond. this is "outnumbered." here's sandra smith. co-abe core on ask the bell, melissa francis and marie hart. and joining us for the first time, bill richardson, energy secretary under bill clinton. there's more but we'd run out of time. governor richardson, thanks for being here. >> nice to be with you. >> ready to talk about the diplomats? >> i'm ready. >> let's do it. russia says they will respond after president trump leads the way joining two dozen countries to ex-special more than 100 rush

diplomats. this is in response to a poisoning of a former british spy. >> felt familiar. felt like old times. we were tough on russia. we acted concert with our allies. the united states took a leadership role. very happy to see it. >> sergey lavrov said this. rest assured, we will respond. the reason is that no one would like to tolerate such obnoxiousness. why does he say that? >> the russians continue to deny that they're election pampering in the u.s., they deny their involvement across the globe against our interests. in ukraine, syria, chemical weapons in syria. you know, this is a typical

russian response. i think the important thing that the allies did is send a message to russia saying enough is enough. you're overdoing it with the terrible nerve agents and the moves around the world. >> can i ask you what is match on match for this behavior? the criticism is that the president didn't do enough. then there's criticism that it will never be enough for this president for some across the political aisle, the democrats. >> reciprocity will happen. >> are they in danger? >> to answer your question, i think the president himself needs to say more. he hasn't said anything. he goes after his own attorney general more than he does putin. there's a view that the president needs to directly

confront -- not call him up -- >> is that fair? look back at his predecessors, obama. would you say this president is doing more than he did to be tough on russia? >> no. i think the administration is taking the right steps recently, but no. i think obama was very clear with putin. meetings, private meetings, public meetings. i have not heard the president get up there and say hey, putin, you have to stop this. that means a lot to a russian leader like putin who is on this predator role around the globe. >> so when you say you feel like president obama did more, but he was in a position, the former president, to say russia was needs to be done as critical as it has been for republicans. >> you know, russia during the obama administration, i think you can corroborate this, was not exactly helpful in our foreign policy. they were deeply involved in syria, with chemical weapons,

helping assad, deeply involved in the ukraine. they started the election tampering in the obama administration. >> right. that's the point i'm making. >> you say that president trump should say more in public. in public, president obama, you know, leaned across the stage and said it's going to be better because i'll have more leeway. he too congratulated putin. you talk about the public speaking. why is that so important versus what goes on in action? teams like talk is cheap. >> well, when obama congratulated putin, putin had not exceeded what he has done today, all the bad things. this nerve agent thing, this is terrible. this is al our allies, against international law. what he's done with tampering. our intelligence community says he made get involved in the mid-term elections. mexico, around the world, there's evidence of russian tampering. >> actions speak leader than

words. isn't it about the action? >> and the president, viewed by russia, you know, they obviously wanted him to win. if he says something to putin like stop this, it means something. but he hasn't done it. >> so you say the russians wanted him to win. i'm curious what the evidence is for that. robert mueller can't find it. nobody can find it. >> that's not true. the intelligence community's assessment study said that the russians were trying to help trump win and hillary lose. there's ample intelligence -- >> bernie sanders is on the list -- >> every intelligence community leader has testified before congress to that fact and it's in the public intelligence community report. that they were trying to help trump win and -- >> no, no, no. they were working on the side of trump and sanders and against rubio -- >> i was here the day. we were on the couch.

>> i promise you -- >> they were against rubio and -- >> the general election they were trying to help trump. >> what would be enough? you're saying he needs to step up and say the president needs to say enough is enough to putin. expelling 60 russian diplomats is a mean. general keene agreed more needs to be done. >> that's the bureaucracy. it means so much to leaders around the world, especially with putin if his friend, president trump says something and he hasn't it. >> he needs to take a personal leadership role, that the president -- the president did not announce the expulsions. he had sarah sanders do it. to putin, a personal leader who attaches value to personal relationships, having donald trump be quiet on that and not say anything does send a signal to putin. >> and all of his advisers saying to the president, don't congratulate him in the call. he congratulates him and

doesn't -- >> how do you know that? we weren't on the call. >> it was released publicly the call. >> we didn't know -- >> the president admitted -- >> this is a debate that we have more to get to. james mattis weighing in on report that kim jong-un may have made an extremely rare visit to china yesterday. ahead of a potential face-to-face meeting with president trump. secretary mattis saying looks like he did, but i don't know. this is video out of beijing showing the train and motorcade believed to be carrying the north korean delegation. the move would mark kim's first trip outside his country since taking power. meanwhile, a new poll shows 48% of americans support the president's decision to agree to a meeting with kim jong-un. 29% say they oppose it. governor richardson has traveled to north korea eight times over releasing detained americans, recovering the remains of fallen american soldiers and other

matters. here's a picture of the governor with eric schmidt in north korea in 2013 on a humanitarian mission. and your thoughts on this potential upcoming meeting with kim and our president. is this a good idea? >> it's a good idea. i'm part of the 49%. i've been involved in this north korea issue a long time. things couldn't be worse. then the president stepped in with an invitation from the north korean. it's the right move. it could do a lot of good. my concern is that we won't be prepared. we don't have a secretary of state. we don't have a national security adviser. they've been named. but you know, these meetings take a lot of preparation. to go from the top to the bottom, given the enormous attention in the korean peninsula, the threat to our country, our troops, japan, south korea, it was the right move. so i hope he succeeds. >> if that is kim on the ground

there in beijing, what do you think his intentions are there? >> you know, he never meets with foreign leaders. the only person that he has met with is dennis rodman. >> he's not a foreign leader. >> it's good. i think it's him. i've seen the train. >> you've seen the train? >> i've seen the train, yeah. they travel because that way because of security. i think it's good that he's going to china. because he's probably trying to say to china, okay, look, i'm going to meet with president trump. take off some of those sanctions off of me. you know, maybe some kind of an overall deal long-term can be made that involves a lesson of sanctions. if kim jong-un de-nuclearizes somewhat or a missile freeze. >> can i ask you about question about preparation? when you look back on preparation, madeline albright tried this. years ago.

that did not go well for this country. she spent six hours trying to talk with the former regime. it wasn't the president. this will be decidedly different. you don't think our president will be prepared? >> i'm worried that it's going to be in less than two months. i hope he's prepared. i worry that, you know, the way that the secretary state left office, i worry about the turmoil in the white house. i think personnel is very important. hopefully the president will be prepared. he's got obviously good political instincts. the north koreans are relentless. they don't think like us. we're always trying to get an edge. >> aren't all dictators like that? >> they don't think like that. yeah, a lot of dictators think like that. it's a great opportunity. we shouldn't raise expectations to the point that -- somebody

said at some point that we want him to completely denuclearize. they're not going to do that. >> nobody said this will be the only meeting ever ever. >> i want to ask you, how -- i don't know logistically. how would you verify that they're either stepping down their program or denuclearizing in any way? it's so hard to verify. if nobody has knowledge of what they're doing, what would that look like? >> the past agreements, although bush and clinton did the right thing in their agreements, the north koreans broke them. one of the promises we did not have international inspectors there. the north koreas wouldn't allow it. if there's agreement, that the administration pushes for international inspectors, inspectors by the u.s. the north koreans are growing to cheat. they did that with president clinton. nine years, no nuclear weapons.

but then the north koreans enrich uranium in a secret deal. they cheat. >> you've seen the kim jong-un train. wow! that's news there. >> i have seen it. it's pretty plush. but it's for security reasons, too. it's pretty plush. >> good to have you here, governor. new developments in the stormy daniels scandal as the comparisons to president clinton's controversies continue to grow. our man in the middle, governor richardson was a member of bill clinton's cabinet. he will weigh-in on whether trump can survive the storm like his former boss did. republicans pouncing on comments from hillary clinton attacking trump voters and using her words against senate dems ahead of the mid-terms, whether it's a good strategy. we will debate that.

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>> new reports throwing chilly water on some democrats hopes of retaking the house in the november mid-terms. that's according to the brennan center for justice. it blames republican

gerrymanders the process of drawing district lines to favor one party over the other. the analysis said the democrats would have to win by 11 percentage margins. the brennan center told the associated press, it would be the equivalent of a tsunami. democrats would have to win larger than any recent mid-term wave, almost double what they got in 2006 to win in their own majority. the president said the republican state leadership committee matt walters dismissing the report. he says it's a politically motivated documents and that its authors want to see more of what happened in pennsylvania where a state judge with drew the boundaries. walters says the study is another attempt for democrats to undermine the map or cherry pick experts from liberal map rooms to draw maps.

governor, what do you think? >> this election in pennsylvania is a barometer. this is a district that the president won by 20 points. the democrat won, uniting working class democrats. he had a economic message. you know, my view is it's going to be a tough year for republicans. you need 25 new seats. maybe difficult but it will be close. it will be a democrat. >> since you think that pennsylvania district 18 is a barometer, that's a different type of democratic candidate though. he said he was pro life. a former military veteran, which doesn't put him in any category. there's a lot -- >> but he was personally opposed -- >> you think there's many of those people in your party to run? >> i think that my party is coalescing around social justice democrats.

>> that's not a conor lamb. >> you'll see more democrats speaking out on the economic issues, bringing the unions back. >> what is the message on the economy? we talked about every day obviously republicans put out a strong message and won the election on the economy. you still have not seen democrats hone in on that message. >> i do agree with you. the economy is going to be key. all of these issues, the scandals -- it's the economy that decides what voters do. >> so true. >> so it's too early to tell. this is all -- it's like march. we got six months. in politics, that's an eternity. >> i'll ask this of you, marie. i see you nodding with the governor. so governor, you say it's too early to come up with that economic message. >> it's too early to tell what will happen. >> but an economic message should stand alone, right? because we have success right now. so what will democrats say? >> conor lamb did run on one.

what you're seeing with the democratic candidates that are good fits for their district. some are more moderate. some are more liberal, depending where they are. a record number of veterans running on democratic tickets. the democratic party is changing. it's not what it was in 2016. you will hear a economic message. we have a generic ballot. democrats are up -- >> it's tough to get over the crumbs and the nancy pelosi comment. >> most polling backs up what she said. not that people like the crumbs comment. most polling shows that most americans do not feel tax reform in their paychecks. all that data we've seen backs that up. >> sounds like a lot of stuff we heard before the last election. i remember it sounded very similar, where you had democrats saying there's no way president trump can win. he's not going to win. don't worry about it. it's the same logic that thinks there's going to be a landslide in 2016. the governor is right. so much depends on the economy

and we don't know what the economy will look like before that election. you're right. they should have a message that stands on the economy. people voting how they feel financially. >> and we saw it in the rebuttal from joe kennedy. he actually acknowledged the economic successes that we're seeing under president trump right now. i just wonder if -- you saw conor lamb. he's pro tariff, he sounded -- he had a similar message to the president. i'm wondering if there's idealogical room in your party for people that sound like mr. trump. >> look, i think the democratic party, one of the big mistakes we made, we didn't have a economic message. trump did. i'll say that. that economic message is one of not just raising the minimum wage, it's people's wages going up. it's entrepreneurship. conor lamb and the party, the candidates that i've seen around

the country in new mexico and the west are talking about those issues. so what you're going to see is, yeah, the economic justice democrats coalescing with the working class democrats. i think it's going to be a good year for democrats. >> meantime, this didn't take long. the senate republicans campaign arm out with new ads that tie vulnerable democrats to comments that hillary clinton made about trump voters. the latest example, an event in india earlier this month. clinton suggested the president's supporters are people that look backwards. those remarks drawing a sharp rebuke from prominent democrats like senate minority whip dick durbin and some democrats facing tough election fights in november. one of the political ads targeting florida democrats, bill nelson in the state that president trump narrowly run. watch this. >> you can put half of trump's supporters in the basket of

deplorables. if you look at the map of the united states, it's all that red in the middle where trump won. his whole campaign, make america great again, was looking backwards. >> hillary will not only be commander-in-chief as president, but she will be the unifier in chief. >> the racist, sexist, homophobic, islamophobic, you name it. >> governor, does stuff like that work? you've been in politics a long time. it's trying to tie that to a central candidate who isn't that candidate who is running. does that work when you try to make that connection? >> it usually doesn't work. you know, voters -- i face add lot of elections. i that vote on whether the candidate they see in front of them, whether they -- not just agree but they like. they get a good sense from the

candidate. you know, it's unfortunate what secretary clinton said. she's got a big following in the democratic party. she's got a lot of women inspired in politics. you know, i wish you guys would leave her alone. >> although she is the one that said i vote based on what my husband and my son and my boss say, that was offensive. >> the party is evolving into a party that needs desperately to have an economic message to win. you're seeing that in elections. in virginia, you're seeing that everywhere. >> that was my point. do you really have to have that message now? i understand you're saying a lot can change. but i'm not just talking about a message. i'm talking about a vision. your vision is like, you know, who you are as a character. it shouldn't capitulate to the win. it should be a broader 37,000

feet. >> it can't be attacking the president. it has to be beyond that. >> or attacking hillary clinton as a republican. >> or nancy pelosi. it didn't work in pennsylvania. the whole campaign of the pennsylvania candidate was attacking nancy pelosi. >> which one? conor lamb? it worked for him. he said he would never vote for her. it absolutely worked for him. >> it was a republican. >> no. are we going to see more of this? the democrats distancing themselves from hillary clinton? i don't know who you're referring to. you say we wish we would leave her alone. we're talking about democratses that are saying i don't agree with her. >> we have a lot of leaders in the democratic party. we have, you know, the senior generation. we've got the potentially new face that will come up. we have three years. we've got the mid-terms. i think things are looking good. i don't know if we will win the house. but it's going to be a

democratic. historic lip beyond what you're thinking of it's an off year. >> governor, what do you say to senator claire mccaskill in missouri? she says i don't agree with hillary clinton with what she said about the voters in missouri. you have democrats that have to win in november. >> i'd say that's sarah mccaskill said the right thing. i'm not defending -- >> can your party win without hillary clinton? >> yes. this election is not going to be a referendum on hillary clinton. it's going to be a ref -- >> you said a lot of people follow her. >> they do. >> it's on republican control of washington and of the candidates the democrats are putting against them. period. all of us focusing on hillary clinton isn't what focusing -- >> and president -- >> and she wants to focus on it. >> and president clinton, bill clinton is still very popular out there. he's still very strong. you know, he's kind of moderate democratic message -- >> president trump embroiled in

a sex scandal that we haven't seen in the white house for 20 years. governor richardson will give us a take on what is the same and what is different in the two controversies and if president trump will emerge unscathed like his former boss did. i have type 2 diabetes.

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she's filed a lawsuit against michael cohen. now daniels attorney says they want to depose president trump in a civil suit by this summer. the controversy raising questions over how this will impact republican candidates come the mid-term elections. one republican says he's not running for re-election because of the scandal. ryan costello saying he's concerned about having to answer too many questions about the president's alleged behavior. however, some are pointing to the case of former president bill clinton who was no stranger to controversy and whose political fortunes were damaged but multiple scandals, including impeach meant. governor richardson was at the white house through much of that turmoil. so what do you think of these comparisons being made today to bill clinton? >> i was there during the impeachment. i was his energy secretary.

president clinton left office with a 60% approval rating, which was huge. on the stormy daniels issue, it's not good for the country. voters will vote on their own economic situation, on healthcare, on, you know, immigration, on national security, on north korea. you know, these scandals, they have some legs, but they don't have a finite decision-making process in the voter's mind. >> what you're saying, too, for clinton, his highest approval ratings were during impeachment. we saw on another network yesterday, they had a group of president trump supporters that does this matter to you? it's not that the issues can't matter to you in a personal sense. but would you voted on these issues is how i think the question was being asked. the answer was yeah, this doesn't matter within that realm.

so you're giving another example of what voters will be thinking about when they go into booth. >> right. >> it won't be this from what i understand you're saying. >> no. this issue, i don't know whether it's going to continue, the issue of, you know -- >> consenting adults potentially? >> no, no. the issue being was it campaign violation, finance, the payment. is the president be compromised. you know, it's just a dreary issue. it's not good for the country. i go overseas, people ask me about it. i mean, voters, i can tell you, i've been through a lot of elections. >> do people ask you about bill clinton when you went overseas back then? >> yeah, they did. so this is why it's not good for the country. >> see, i think that the governor is right in one thing that we overlook is when people go to the booth, they think about themselves and how it impacts them personally. this story, you know, sort of fans the flames for people that already hate him and for other

people, it confirms what you thought you already knew about everybody -- >> you wonder why -- >> it brings ratings. >> it's a legitimate story. if the president paid hush money through his lawyer 11 days before the election. if hillary did it, we would cover it, too. i don't think the media created this story. it's a legitimate story. the fact that the white house doesn't appear to be telling the truth, there's on going litigation where the president might be deposed in some way, it's a news story. >> but bill clinton carried out the acts while in the oval office and lied about it under oath. >> there's a couple things in the comparison. president clinton went into the impeachment part of his presidency in a different spot than donald trump. i don't think anything will take away donald trump's base support of 32, 33, 34%.

it's the independents, particularly women. i agree they vote on economics and vote on things that matter to them. all it takes is, you know, a couple thousand women independent in a swing district to say, you know what? i'm sick of this. i'm sick of hearing about this to change some of the politics. >> it's so ironic what you said. the first lady wasn't listening to those women. >> what does that have to do with anything? >> we're in a moment where women are talking to women about these things differently than they were back then. >> it's true. >> we're in a #metoo. stormy daniels said over and over and she did in the interview, that is not what this is. >> so why are the only women some people don't believe and the women accusing president trump? why are we saying let's believe women and stand up for women when they talk about private matters except when it's the president of the united states? >> she signed a document and admitted she lied. >> it's complicated, sure. but there's dozens of women that accused donald trump to put that

out there. >> looks like you're trying to jump back in. >> no. i just -- i agree with marie. this is -- i wish we would be talking about, you know, the wall, which i don't like. i'm a border former governor. north korea. >> we can talk about the wall. >> it's a terrible idea, by the way. >> you wanted an opportunity to say that. we can talk about the wall. $1.6 billion going into -- >> mexico was supposed to pay for it, not u.s. taxpayers. >> and i'll tell you something about illegal immigration. one, i'm a border guy. it's declined. two, most of the immigration that is coming in from central america to flee political persecution. the wall cost cost $36 billion. it's not going to work. i think the president -- make a deal on the deferred -- on daca, the kids. a lot of military kids.

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california about a shooting involving a 22-year-old man and police officers. as it turns out after being shot 20 times, that 22-year-old was holding what police have said was a cell phone. this has ignited protests and all sorts of reaction in northern california. so we're watching this news conference and we will bring you highlights from there as they happen. new information in the case as we learn it. and this fox news alert. facebook founder and ceo mark zuckerberg says he plans to testify before congress as backlash grows over privacy concerns. 37 states attorneys general are demanding to know how the personal information from up to 50 million profiles was used and cook county illinois is suing in the wake of the scandal. part of the lawsuit reading this way. mark zuckerberg says he will not

tough before u.k. lawmakers but high level executives from the company will go and testify in britain instead. this is android users who opted in to use certain facebook features are surprised to learn that the platform has been recording their calls and text messages. one journalist posted this picture showing facebook records detailing every cell phone call and text he made for about a year. i'm coming to you first, melissa. i know you've been interviewing heads of companies and so on and so forth. zuckerberg, does he go before congress? what happens to the other companies? it's not just facebook. >> he has to go before congress. it look like he's going to try to avoid it as much as he can, that he really doesn't want to do it. i think the problem is, there's a lot of people out there that just figured out how facebook makes so much money. that's by selling you. they've been doing it for a long time. you're giving them your

information for free. i think young people realize that. now people are creeped out about it. it's not just selling your information so that pair of pumps that you want when you go on sale and you get a notification on the side of the screen. now they're selling your personality to political campaigns so that you can be manipulated. they were always doing that. but people realize it now. >> this is not breaking news in the sense that the data is out there. might be an age thing. because i don't expect to have privacy in these things. they have the privacy settings. what do you think about zuckerberg going on capitol hill? what would you ask? >> he should go. i think technology -- this technology is -- we've got to deal with it. i'm not saying overregulate it. i like zuckerberg. i like facebook. zuckerberg ought to get a new short if he's going to congress. >> or a tie. >> i serve -- everybody should

have a decent appearance here. but i like him. i like what facebook has done. it's revolutionized technology. people being able to speak to each other around the world and overthrow dictators. this privacy issue, you're right. it's too much. i didn't know they were able to do that. i did not know. although i'm not a technology expert. >> none of us are. that's is what is scary about this. we go on. we think we have a secured log-in and pass word. we can opt in and opt out of things and what you're privy to. people are sharing their most important information. a surprise to everyone when you learn about 50 million users were compromised. that hoodie that zuckerberg wears, that's his m.o. since the beginning. his in he's 30s. he created facebook at harvard in his dorm room. we showed the instant messages

where you continue believe the amount of trust that was put in him. >> and he was willing to exploit it. >> he could be a different man today but that's been exposed. so regulation is a slippery slope. marie, i know democrats love to regulate companies, but regulation could be a slippery slope. that's why you've seeing them sell off so much. >> sure. but the companies are really coming of age. they've been around a decade. they need a conversation. many of us were surprised that this journalist could post calls, history of phone calls, not just what he put on facebook but phone calls that he was making. this is scary stuff. we need to know more. >> melissa and i would tell you, if there's money involved and something that people can sell, it's a business plan. it's not just facebook. >> and this cambridge analytica situation, selling at the political consultants and -- >> that's going on for -- >> yeah. >> democrats did it, too. >> not in this way.

you had to opt in on the obama website. it was different. you knew what you were getting. with cambridge, you kind know. >> the issue is, what do we do about it? congress can do legislation. you have the net neutrality people. where do you go? you have to be careful about not overregulating. something has to happen. >> it's a hot topic. zuckerberg will go to capitol hill. >> he should go. >> don't share so much personal stuff. keep it on the inside. tell the people we love you. anyway, a legal battle over a question about citizenship on the 2020 census. some are saying it's illegal to can that question. whether it's a fair way to get an accurate tally or a civil rights allegation. stay close.

>> democrats and civil rights activists are taking action after announcement from the commerce department that the 2020 census will include a question about citizenship status. california fuelling a suit over adding the question on the 2020 census. including question is not just a bad idea, it's illegal.

wilbur ross is standing by his decision. he says the administration wants an accurate tally of voters to protect against voter discrimination. watch. >> we've done an analyses and we've concluded the benefits to the voting rights act enforcement of asking the question outweighs the other issues. >> governor, i'm coming to you first. democrats have said this is an intimidation tactic and shouldn't be in the census. what is your view? >> it shouldn't be in the census. it's going to depress voter turnout especially among hispanics. it's going to dispress turnout. in the census, you're african american, hispanic. you know, asian. you shouldn't say that. just find ways to know how many people are here. this is going to be an intimidating tactic, especially

against hispanic and latino voters. he should sue. wilbur ros is wrong. no administration has done this. >> eric holder has threatened to sue. and sandra, we talked this morning, judge napolitano said the only questions you have to answer is how many people live there. where does this go from here? >> so judge napolitano's response was -- i looked it up. he said the law is on california side but it might be on california's side. we'll watch how this plays out here, this is happening fast. if it truly is a move that we've never seen before to change the question here. what is the intention, melissa? >> you know, it's interesting. i'm nor the government knowing as little as possible. and facebook. but at the same time, isn't a lot of federal money awarded

based on who is where and how many people are where and seems like it's probably in states and cities and counties interests to have a full accounting of what is going on in terms of the resources they would get, right? >> but human beings existing there. what are you going to do? they should be counted. >> they should be. >> the problem is going to be -- first of all, when you're in the census, if you're hispanic, you're going to say wait a minute. why are they counting me? is there deportation next? does that mean that don't want me to vote? this is not needed. why do it? you made a great point. why does the government need to know? you're a human being, you're living here. you're counted. >> that's why i'm surprised that the democrats are on the side they're on. i would think they would want as much resources as possible. it's like you have to know what is going on, who is here, who is paying taxes and what they're doing, how many kids you have, what are you doing to know how

the government -- >> we think the question is included, it will depress people from turning out and answering the census. the point is for people to answer. if this question is on there, might not. >> we're "outnumbered" in just a moment. we'll be right back.

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>> we're just asking questions. >> hopefully have you back sometime. >> of course. love to come back. >> back tomorrow at noon eastern time. now here's harris. >> moscow is promising retaliation after more than 100 diplomats were expelled from the west. most of that from the united states. we go "outnumbered overtime" now. i'm harris faulkner. russia's foreign minister is vowing his country will hit back after president trump took his harshest action yet against the kremlin, kicking out dozens of russians in response to its alleged nerve agent attack. more than 20 allies joined the united states in punishing russia. the white house says the message is clear. >> the poisoning in the uk that led to today's announcement was a brazen action, a reckless action. it endangered not just two in