grateful you spend the evening with us. good night from washington. i am shannon bream. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." it's been less than 18 months since donald trump was elected president, but in that short time, the democratic party has changed almost beyond recognition. the party that was the middle class, middle-class concerns had become the party of the very rich and the very poor and its interests and emphasis has changed correspondingly. it has had implications for all of us. the top official of the obama administration and hillary clinton's campaign will weigh in on those changes in just a minute, but first tonight, the inspector general at the department of justice announced today that the doj has opened an investigation into spying, possibly illegal spying on american citizens by the federal government. law professor jonathan turley will explain the legal applications of that brewing scandal in just a minute.

but first, to fox chief national correspondent ed henry who's been following this all day. >> initially, democrats like adam schiff laughed off these allegations about fisa abuse, but tonight some of the obama inner circle as well as a former top fbi officials like james comey and andrew mccabe may be sweating a bit because this is heating up now with the justice department inspector general michael horowitz saying he's going to take a close lookh at it. remember, attorney general jeff sessions had said he wanted horowitz to handle this and sessions got a lot of heat from supporters of president trump who said the inspector general would bury this and that this was sessions passing the buck again. this is a sign horowitz is moving full speed ahead on what republican devin nunes first revealed with his memo, laying out how top fbi and justice officials in the obama administration got a warrant from the fisa court to spy on h ex-trump advisor carter page. most importantly, comey, mccabe, and other officials allegedly used former british spy christopher steele's anti-trump dossier to get that

initial warrant without telling the judge that the dnc and hillary clinton's campaign had paid for the dirt in that dossier. horowitz is already working on two other major reports, including comey's conduct, d fbi agent peter strzok's text messages, and mccabe's unauthorized leak the media. we should note that just this week, there have been criminal charges filed in minnesota in a separate case involving a former fbi agent who allegedly leaked classified sensitive information, so the bottom line is this is also a part of jeff sessions' crackdown on the leaking of sensitive information, a big development tonight. >> tucker: it sure is. ed henry, thanks for that. jonathan turley is a law professor at george washington university law school in washington, and he joins us tonight. professor, thanks for coming on. it's the gravest of all charges, the federal government potentially spying illegally on american citizens. why only now is the ig looking into this? >> there's been an interesting phenomenon.

a lot of people who have rightly criticized those who want to shutdown the the special counsel investigation, those same peoplo often belittle these allegations about what happened in the secret court. it's a dangerous combination to have a secret court that isha based on a standard lower than the fourth amendment that is totally secret and insulated from public reviews if that court is also used for political agenda. we don't know if that's true, but we have worrisome facts that should be looked at. what i think is missing in washington is this sense of balance. both sides should be investigated. these are troubling issues that are raised by both republicans and democrats. what happened today is that we are going to be guaranteed thatd there will be an independent investigation and horowitz is the perfect guy to do it. he knows the doj. he's very well respected, and i think what we're going to learn from this process could help us in the future.re >> tucker: what will he be looking at? >> looking specifically at that application with carter page.

many people made fun of president trump when he said that his campaign was under surveillance and people like former director clapper said i would have known if there was an order of surveillance. it turns out there were multipli orders of surveillance. >> tucker: clapper said that, mocked the idea. clapper's been caught lying to the public before. is there any way to read this other than as dishonesty? >> i don't know what clapper was thinking. what we know as there is not just one, but a renewal of these orders. that's a very serious question to look at. when you have someone who is associated with the opposing party's campaign for president. the judge looked at this and said it warranted a renewal, but that application, while it says that one of these sources was political in nature, didn't reveal everything that the fbi knew about the dossier, that itu was funded by the clinton campaign, that it found that much of the dossier was not corroborated, there were serious questions about the motivation.

and the fact that steele himself tried to shop this to the media and had told a justice official that he didn't like trump and wanted to do everything he could that he wouldn't be president. those are material facts. does that mean that the court became an adjunct of the dnc or was caught up in a political agenda? we don't know. the point is that the american people have a right to know if this very powerful court was p used for inappropriate or abusive reasons. >> tucker: have you noticed, briefly, since you've covered and taught the law in this city for a long time, a decline in the concern over civil liberties of americans and washington citizens? >> i have. we've almost become numb. people have a really low expectations of the government now and that's a real shame. the fisa court has always been a concern for libertarians because of its standard, because of its insularity. when this scandal focused on the fisa court, it was a huge

concern because abuses in that court can be magnified in terms of their damage because it is so insulated, it is so secret, and it's capable of doing a lot more without people seeing it than a normal court. >> tucker: i think it's terrifying. potentially anyway. thank you for that, i appreciate it. in california, we've redefined who the criminals are and as of yesterday, criminals are those who seek to enforce the law, at least in orange county. the sheriff in that county is trying to assist i.c.e. by publishing release times of immigrants who are in custodyt and wanted by the feds come that puts her in conflict with state law.fl xavier becerra has suggested hutchens should be sued or even arrested for her efforts. this seems like the moment where

legitimate concerns about what happens to people here illegally become something grotesque in the state starts to act against the interests of its citizens. here you have a sheriff saying you have potentially dangerous criminals who are wanted by thew feds, they're going to be released, i'm going to post the times publicly so the feds can do their job and attain them in the attorney general, the chief law enforcement officer of her state is saying she should be arrested. how could you take his side in this against the safety of citizens in california? >> two points here, as far as the sheriff posting the names, not just undocumented, but all people who are being released from our jails, as far as my reading of this law goes, that actually complies with california sanctuary law. it would be a different situation if she were singling out people who were on detainers or undocumented people, she's not doing that.

in this instance, i disagree with the attorney general because i think if you look at an interpretation of the law,e she is in compliance with what she's doing. i however, we have to remember it when we talk about what they're doing in california, what the sheriff is doing, the people of california do support these so-called sanctuary measures. >> tucker: right, let's back up. hold on. sanctuary policy. when we speak in general terms, it's easy to make generalizations. let's be specific. let me finish my question, if you don't mind. what percentage of californians do you think support the mayor of oakland warning wanted criminals that they may be apprehended and then watching as four of them went and committed felonies during the period they escaped apprehension by federal authorities?

do you support that?? >> in reference to those four individuals apprehended later, i.c.e. officials and department of homeland security officials were not able to tie any of them directly to oakland. they apprehended them, but therb was no direct link foror them. remember that what the mayor did -- >> tucker: i wonder at what point -- is there anything you won't make an excuse for? here you have guys who got out and committed actual crimes with firearms. one guy gravely injured his wife by beating her. they should have been in federal custody. they were wanted by federal authorities in the state of california made it harder for them to apprehended. can you say that's appalling? >> i hear your emotion and this is my answer. when the department of homeland security arrives and wants to go after these violent criminals, they need to issue a warrant.

what they do instead is detainers. in 2015, i.c.e. issued something like 95,000 of these immigration detainers. 62% of them were not even followed up on in any way and only 50% resulted in actual deportations. >> tucker: the debate is not whether i.c.e. is issuing the appropriate detainers or warrants. the debate is over whether the mayor of oakland should be warning criminals that the feds are out to get them.te >> what she did was direct people to know their rights based on what she heard and -- >> tucker: i wonder. is there any normal person who would support that? even people who are sympathetic to the dreamers. i get it, we feel compassion, but if you have someone standing up for political reasons and saying you wanted for a serious crime, the feds are coming, that's the beginning of the end. you don't see that?

>> i don't have that cynical take. what i do have is that they've been celebrated because many appreciate what she's doing. although it's controversial because not everyone likes the idea, they do appreciate that she's directing not necessarily criminals to know their rights and that's what we deal with them on enforcement. >> tucker: good luck to the communities who are supporting her. thank you. chris cuomo says nobody is trying to repeal the second amendment, nobody has not been reading the paper. we'll tell you who is actually coming up. plus the democratic party has been utterly transformed in the last few years. that's not an attack, merely an observation. would the barack obama of 2012 be welcomed in the democratic party? taking a close look. joining us next is clinton and obama confident jennifer palmieri. she will join us in just a she will join us in just a second.

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♪ >> tucker: cnn poet laureate chris cuomo is wise in many ways. but today he confessed he can't figure out why people seem to think the left wants to ban guns. >> you've got the president of united states this morning tweeting that the second amendment will never be repealed, we must have -- who is calling for it? >> tucker: who is calling fordo it? i don't know. how about former supreme court justice john paul stevens who just wrote a "new york times" piece 24 hours ago with the hard

to interpret title "repeal the second amendment." brad stevens agrees. >> you are not going to get a handle on the problem of america's gun culture while there is a constitutional right to own a weapon. most of the guns in the country isn't done with ar-15s. or the assault weapons i suspect both of us would like to see banned they're done with handguns. so you at least address the principle that there is a righta to bear an arm, you will not deal with the problem that we've had. >> tucker: even two years ago, "rolling stone" magazine called for repealing the second amendment. this is totally real. it's not a fever dream unfortunately. dan bongino, as you know, democratic party strategists are concerned about saying any of us out loud because they don't want

to scare conservatives into voting in the midterms, but i think it's kind of out in the open now. this is not a conspiracy theory, this really is the agenda. what you make of it? >> a couple things here. number one, let me tell yous something, democrats. if you're going to repeal the second amendment, go for it. good luck. in the 1994 midterms, after the clinton "assault weapons ban," we can't figure out what an assault weapon is. liberals change the definition,d democrats lost 53 seats in rural america. knock yourselves out. here's the problem i see. i read an interesting op-ed piece today and i'm getting a lot of feedback from my audience on this as well. the problem with liberals like chris cuomo and others, they don't understand us. liberalism is easy to understand. it's everywhere. it's on tv, it's in the media, academia, we're surrounded by it.

it's the de facto, default normal position for society. to actually understand conservatives and why gun owners would want to own a gun to defend themselves, you have to do some hard work. you have to go to kentucky and go to some areas of florida outside of miami and talk to people, and liberals have zero interest in doing that and that's why they'll never understand american government. -- understand american gun owners. >> tucker:re they are not calling for the abolition of guns. they are calling for a transfer of firearms from the country to the ruling s class. no one is seriously saying that the bodyguard protects the hosts you just saw, should be disarmed. they are saying everyone should be. it's a power transfer. >> absolutely it's a power transfer. one thing that's frequently cited with the founders is there obvious fight against the monarchy and tyranny which led to the second amendment. the other thing if you read af lot of the federalist papers as you can sense a theme of what they want. they wanted a sense of

individuality. they didn't want the people to depend exclusively to be surgically attached to the government for the one thing that matters more than anythingd safety and security. they didn't want that. they wanted people to have an independent spirit, and this is' what i believe, not all democrats because some are naive and frankly being useful idiots on this, but the radical left entirely understands that this isn't about guns, it's about power. it's about removing that symbol of individuality, removing financial power, the power over your own security from people's lives. this is bigger than just firearms and i wish people on our side, these so-called moderate republicans would get hip to this quick, that this is a bigger agenda for the radical left. >> tucker: i appreciate the radical left for being honest about it. what i'm shocked by is the t willingness of people in the media to become handmaidens. t they're supposed to be challenging, but instead their foot soldiers guard down, thank you for putting that in perspective for us.

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>> tucker: facebook's business practices get more disturbing the more you learn about them and we learn more every day. now we have new evidence thece company may be spying on users at work and in their homes in ways they never imagined. brett larson is a fox news tech reporter and anchor for fox news headline 24/7 and he joins us tonight. >> we're getting some very troubling information about jus/ what facebook is learning about their users. they're listening in on your conversations. how would they do that? it's pretty simple. if you've got the facebook app on your phone, there's a microphone right here. most of our smartphones haveou multiple microphones on them so they can hear your voice clearly in a loud room. facebook denies they are doing this, saying they have never listened in for the purpose of advertising. but many users have gone online and folks have even queried me in person with anecdotal evidence that usually goes a little something like hey, so i was having this conversation with a friend of mine and we opened up

facebook and saw an ad about about something we were justsa discussing. this news also comes as christopher wylie, he's the whistle-blower here from cambridge analytica. he appeared before the british a house of commons. that's similar to our house of representatives. and he said facebook has the ability to listen in so they know if you are walking around, if you are in a loud bar, or if you are at home watching tv. we already know that facebook tracks our every move online, every site you visit, things you like, friends you have, also they can build this increasingly accurate profile about you toli sell you targeted advertising. facebook ceo mark zuckerberg has been invited to speak to a congressional panel about the problems uncovered with facebook and just today, the social media giant rolling out a new security page, you'll start to see this, where you can access all your settings for security all in one place. you can even download all of your facebook data in one massive download. all your pictures, all your

posts. you'll start to see that in the next coming days and weeks. also today, apple ceo tim cook says it's time to look into what can be done to ensure that when we are online, our privacy is protected. l very troubling information out of facebook.k. >> tucker: it's about time. brett, thank you very much for that. dylan curran is a technical consultant and web developer. he knows a lot about the subject. he just released a terrifying report demonstrating just how much information google and facebook collect about you and the rest of their users. dylan curran joins us tonight. dylan, thanks a lot for coming on. >> hi, tucker. thanks for having me on. >> tucker: you do this stuff for a living. you thought you knew a lot about the level of data collection by facebook. you learned things you didn't know. tell us what you learned. >> yeah, so i feel like a lot of people in the tech industry had a general idea what was going on. but when i went in and actually looked at the information, i found a lot of things that ts were totally unexpected. they were recording, as was said in the report, your actual phone records and your text records.

facebook calls them messages. your actual physical phone records. apart from that, then i went into google and they were storing a lot more information than i had previously expected. there were storing search history as far back as 2008. they had my location mapped back as far as 2014, showing pretty much every location i've been in for the last four years every day and with the time-stamp. they have also shown all of those files and images i've ever downloaded, all the apps i've ever used or searched for, they also showed my google fitness statistics.se how many steps i've walked, workouts, yogas. all the ads that i've clicked on, my youtube history.st and the most disturbing thing was they actually show your google incognito history. they kept the information, it was in the archive when he went to re-download it. so that means that when you t think you're privately browsing google, it's still collecting that data.

>> tucker: they included things you thought you deleted?i >> i had my google drive which has cloud storage and i had a lot of files on there that i wanted to delete because there were personally liable. that's items such as my cv, my monthly budget, a couple of websites and code and an encryption key. i had explicitly deleted so there would be no threat of those being stolen in the future.tl when i went into my archives, those files were there. >> tucker: we reached out tont google today about this and their response essentially was well, everyone knows this. it's in the terms of use. do you think everyone does know this? >> no, absolutely not. my tweets wouldn't have received such unbelievable attention if that was the case. saying everyone knows this is a cop-out, because they're saying everybody knows this because when you accept the terms and conditions of the apps, you are technically

signing away your rights to that information. realistically, nobody does read the terms and conditions because not everybody has the time to read those terms and conditions and not everybody has a trained lawyer. >> tucker: it's inherently dishonest. they tell you you're deleting something and they keep a record. it's a lie and they should be held accountable. dylan, thank you for that. it's terrifying but interesting. democratic party has changed dramatically in the last couple of years. while the rest of us were covering stormy daniels. this would all be foreign to bill clinton or even barack obama. the finale of our month-long man in america series just ahead. ♪ ♪

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america is how relentlessly our leaders pretend it's not happening at all.ct the patriarchy is thriving, they tell us. men are in charge and they succeed precisely to the extent they thwart the progress ofch women. society is a zero sum equation in which a man's gain is woman's loss. this is wrong and we must e rectify it. that's the message. those also happen to be the core assumptions of second wave feminism which became popular 40 years ago just as many of our baby boom leaders were coming of age. and yet none of those assumptions are true today. america has changed completely. the patriarchy is gone. women are winning. men are failing. men in america are now far more likely to die of a drug overdose, drop out of the workforce because of an addiction, commit a felony, and go to prison. they fail in school much more often than women do. they kill themselves at many times the rate. overall they die years younger. those numbers are not speculative. they are hard data gathered over decades by nonpartisan researchers.

you would have to ignore a huge amount of settled science in order to repeat the pieties of 1970s era feminism. and yet that's exactly what our leaders continue to do. in march of 2009, almost immediately after arriving in washington, barack obama created the white house council on women and girls. he tapped his adviser valerie jarrett to run it. "when our daughters don't haveth the same education and career opportunities as our sons," obama said in his announcement, "that affects our economy and our future as a nation." at the very moment obama was t lamenting the lack of educational opportunities for women, more girls than boys were graduating from high school. far more women were graduating from college. women now earn 62% of associates degrees, 57% of bachelors degrees,, 60% of masters degrees, and 52% of doctorates. that gap is even wider in nonwhite neighborhoods. for example, in 2007 among black and hispanic graduates of public schools in boston, for every 100 black men who had a college

degree, there were 230 blackol women who got one. for every 100 hispanic men who got a college degree, there were 211 hispanic women who got one. 70% of all masters degrees awarded to black students o nationally went to black women, just 30% went to black men. yet for reasons the obama administration never explained, the school performance of black and hispanic girls was deemed a higher priority than performance of black and hispanic boys. under obama, the white house solicited hundreds of millions of dollars from corporations to encourage female achievement in higher education. at the time this was happening, one study showed that there was already at least four times asie many privately funded collegeha scholarships available for girls as for boys. four times. the administration never acknowledged this. instead, it sought new ways to close a gender gap that no longer exists. one idea was "breaking down gender stereotypes in toys."r to that end, the white house pressured manufacturers, retailers, and media outlets to

eliminate gender distinction in children's toys. this, the administration claimed, would allow kids to "explore, learn, and dream without limits." well, educators at all levels took this idea seriously. in 2015, one kindergarten teacher in washington state banned her male students from playing with lego. fitting together plastic blocks has been found by researchers to help children develop important cognitive skills. boys have enough advantages, the teacher explained. so she intentionally prevented them from learning.ys girls thrive when boys fail. this is the underlying assumption of much of america's gender policy in education. there is no credible research ti suggest that is true. it is purely an ideological belief, and yet that assumption is pervasive, especially on college campuses. now, that's ironic because there are 2 million more women than men enrolled in college this year. on most campuses, men are a distinct minority.

at carlow university in pittsburgh, women outnumber men by more than 6 to 1. and yet almost every campus has a women's studies department. in many of them, the stated goal is to fight expressions of masculinity and disempower men. at ohio state, a course is underway this spring called "be a man: masculinities, race, and nation." the syllabus for that course explains that masculinity is used to "justify certain kinds of violence by men." on the first day of class, students were required to consult a male privilege checklist. at duke universityss in north carolina, a nine-week workshop meant to devise ways tt undermine "masculinity and maleness" as well to createe destabilized spaces for those with privilege, meaning men. similar projects have sprouted at colleges all over the country.ge under the obama administration, the department of justice created something called the healthy masculinity campus athletics project. the coordinator of that program at wheaton college summed summed up its objective this way.

"as a country, we need to do a better job of addressing issues around toxic masculinity." left unasked was the most basic question of all. it is masculinity itself really toxic? and what happens to boys when we tell them it is? it's why we understood that attacking people for their basic nature is unhealthy and it's wrong.st a government funded program designed to fight toxic femininity or toxicnd homosexuality probably would not escape the scrutiny of congress or the media. at the very least, the supporters would have to explain why our country needs a program like that. yet nobody has been forced to explain why boys who are already failing need to be held back further. and so they are.s christina hoff sommers is the author of "the war against boys." she was one of the very first people in american intellectual life to notice this trend and to sound the alarm. she was ignored, but we're grateful she did it anyway. thank you. christina hoff sommers joins us tonight. you wrote this original piece

from which this whole series basically has been derived almost 20 years ago when you noticed that boys were falling behind. b yet the assumptions of the people who make policy decisions don't seem to have changed much in that time. why? >> there's a great deal of resistance to addressing the needs of boys. there are a lot of women's groups, not all of them, but most of them call it backlash and they are unwilling to listen, so boys -- it's as if we've thrown the gender switch and boys are on the wrong side of the gender gap in education. >> tucker: the core assumption is that it is a zero sum arrangement where when you hold back boys, girls shoot ahead and it's great for them. but that's not really the nature of life. >> it's a fundamental fallacy. too many of the activist groups think that there is a trophy and either venus is going to win or mars and their job is to root for venus. and hold back mars. no, there's not a single trophy.

men and women, boys and girls we are in this together. and if boys are in trouble, so are we all. these are the young men withth whom our daughters and granddaughters are going to maky the future. so if boys are failing, what's going to happen to girls? >> tucker: that's a question that a father of every daughter, including myself, thinks about a lot. you sort of wonder, how do we get to a place where colleges in which, broadly speaking, men really are failing, falling behind girls, have funded departments whose main course of study is why masculinity, maleness is bad. why doesn't anybody ever say anything about that? >> we try, but again, you ares called names and demonized if s you defend boys and point out their plight, specifically in education. we have economists now, larry summers projects that by mid-century, it maybe a third of men in the full-time

workforce are going to be out of the workforce. disengaged, not there. millions of men are simply not going to be looking for work,, not in the workplace. now, we can address this. england, australia, canada, they are very worried because of the future of their economy and because the social confusion this will lead do, and they're addressing the problem. they haven't sold it, but they're working on it. we haven't even acknowledged it. >> tucker: what does that say about our policymakers that they're acting from assumptions that were relevant in 1979 that are no longer? >> they're not paying attention. i think it's hard to know where to place the fault because simply -- what we have right now is vast numbers of organizations that have done a very good job supporting young women andsf helping young women, addressing their needs. girls were behind in math and science, and thanks to many women's groups and activists, we have strengthened young women. they have taken more advanced math classes and science classes

than boys now in school. where were the efforts for boys? there was no lobby. there is no lobby. people say they don't need a lobby. it's a man's world. i'm not sure that's true. it's certainly not a little boy's world. and no one's paying attention. >> tucker: sad. thank you for all the work you've done on this. it's important. christina hoff sommers, thanks. democratic party, not the party you remember, even from three years ago. new and radically different ideas, agendas, a whole new ideology. a former top official in the obama administration and hillary clinton campaign joins us next to discuss it. stay tuned. tuned. ♪ ♪ ♪

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♪ >> tucker: well, here's a story that's received almost no media attention but that is upending american society. it's been less than a year and a half since donald trump got elected, but the democratic party has changed pretty dramatically. just six years ago, for example, during his 2012 state of the union, president obama said this about immigration. watch. >> i believe as strongly as ever that we should take on illegal immigration. that's why my administration has put more boots on the border than ever before. that's why if there are fewer illegal crossings than when i took office. >> tucker: well, that's unimaginable today. obama could not say that and would not say that. instead, prominent democrats are now calling for the abolition of federal immigration enforcement. "the nation" magazine described i.c.e. as "an unaccountable strike force executing a campaign of ethnic cleansing." the state of california is threatening law enforcement officers there with arrests if they cooperate with i.c.e., even to apprehend criminals. impoverished democratic cities like baltimore have set aside tax dollars to help illegal immigrants fight deportation. how long before the nationalax

party calls for giving illegal immigrants the right to vote? that's actually happening in some towns in maryland already. yesterday on this show, we interviewed an immigration activist who said that foreign nationals ought to be able to vote anywhere in the country. that used to be a fringe position. it's not anymore. on the second amendment, meanwhile, the democratic party has moved to advocating for gun-control -- that's been going on for a long time -- to pushing for government gun confiscation. that's a big change. just two years ago, here wasol hillary clinton's position on firearms. >> i'm not looking to repeal the second amendment. i'm not looking to take people's guns away.tw but i am looking for more support for the reasonable efforts that need to be undertaken to keep guns out of the wrong hands. >> tucker: well, those words could have been uttered any time in the last 30 years, but that was then. democrats have just spent the last month openly calling for gun confiscation. australia-style gun confiscation. and then just yesterday, former supreme court justice john paul stevens demanded the repeal of the second amendment. others have followed. that would have been unthinkable just a few years ago.

and then on the subject of abortion, in the 1990s, you often heard bill and hillary clinton say abortion ought to be "safe, legal, and rare." as recently as 2009, barack obama agreed with them. watch. >> so let us work together to reduce the number of women seeking abortions. let's reduce unintended pregnancies. let's make adoption more available. let's provide care and support for women who do carry their children to term. >> tucker: that was the position of the democratic party really from roe v. wade until about yesterday. that even though abortion should remain legal, it was undesirable. it was something to sad, something to be avoided if possible. that's how most voters feel about it. democrats no longer say that. the party's base is forf abortion.th be proud of having one. progressives want women to shout. shout your abortion. just two days ago, planned parenthood in colorado demanded a new disney princess, one who has had an abortion, to be a role model for girls. these are views outside the

mainstream, as measured by opinion polling.ls are they the topics, are they the issues that democrats are going to run on during the midterm elections? joining us tonight is someone who has spent a long time in the democratic party, jennifer palmieri. she spent years of the heart of it.n she was communications director for both the obama white house and the hillary clinton presidential campaign.n. she's got a brand-new book out which is doing very well on amazon. it's called "dear madam president." and she joins us tonight. jennifer palmieri, thanks for coming on. >> i'm happy to be here. >> tucker: so a lot has been written about the changes in the republican party under trump. it's changed a lot. there's no doubt about that. >> right. >> tucker: the democratic party has changed, i would say, as much or more and it's gotten very little attention. do you acknowledge that president obama going out and saying, i'm going to crackdown on illegal immigration, couldn't say that today? >> no, because what's happened is the problem got a lot worse. and congress didn't do anything about it.>> president obama gave that speech many years ago, that was when we were trying to pass comprehensive immigration reform.am

and you tried to pass it. and you got it through one body, and you couldn't get it through the other. and congress is broken, and it won't pass it. and so the problem has gotten a lot worse in the meantime. but what was that? what are you talking about? democrats are in the mainstream of views when it comes to guns and when it comes to immigration and when it comes to abortion. there is no one that thinks abortion shouldn't be safe, legal, and rare. and i guess this is the part of the show where you set me up with a bunch of -- >> tucker: i'm not setting you up. >> with extreme straw men. >> tucker: i don't know if it's a straw men or not. let me ask you a couple quick questions. are there any circumstance when noncitizens should be allowed to vote? >> no, i think citizenship -- voting comes with citizenship. but that is -- but what's happened is that -- >> tucker: so non-citizens should never vote in american elections. >> but what's happened is that despite -- you know,

congress is broken. it does not react to what the people want. >> tucker: i agree with that. >> the people want immigration reform. the people want more gun control. that is what they want. >> tucker: but the details matter. so you said noncitizens should never vote in elections. i would argue that your party will overtake you on that question, but we'll see.n >> maybe if congress never does anything to address immigration reform -- >> tucker: oh, then noncitizens should vote. >> this is the part where -- >> tucker: i'm just asking. i'm asking you what you think. >> tucker, you know what? so i got the invitation to come on your show and immediately i was like, there's no way i'm doing that. c >> tucker: [laughs] >> and then i thought, i like tucker and he's a smart guy. and i am a woman with nothing to lose, so i said sure, i'm going on.. >> tucker: if you think i'm asking you an unfair question -- >> you really believe that the democratic party thinks that abortion shouldn't be rare? >> tucker: let me ask you this.

hold on. i'll get to that. but do you think the government should ever take guns from law-abiding people? that's not a trick question. t it's a sincere question. >> i think there should be an assault weapons ban. i don't think people need to take their guns away. but i think there should be an assault weapons ban. you are setting the conversation up to purposefully put me in a box. >> tucker: i'm actually not! you said -- >> you don't need -- a >> tucker: i think everyone watching, liberals and conservatives, would acknowledge that's a totally fair question. why is it not a fair question? because you don't want to answer it?ta >> no, because it's not a sincere question. >> tucker: it is very much a sincere question. as a gun owner, i can promise you -- i couldn't tell you how sincere it is. >> my husband has a number of guns too.. >> tucker: that's great, but even if i didn't, should government ever take the guns of people who have not misused them? >> i think we have addressed it and we can move on. next on your list of questions

that are designed to set me up, tucker carlson. >> tucker: if you think that's a set up, it tells you how sad our national conversation has become. my questions are totally sincere. they are right to the heart of the matter. >> i think a sincere question would be, when it came to guns,e wow, do you know why people are taking to the streets? do you know why people are calling for australian-like gun reform.in because children are dying in schools in outrageous numbers. >> tucker: we are going to talk to jennifer palmieri about her book, yes we are, and more about the future of the democratic party. that will air tomorrow night. we will be right back. try something different. for me, chantix really worked. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking.

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>> tucker: that's about all the time we have tonight. more with former >> tucker: that's about all the time we have for tonight. we'll have more with jennifer palmieri tomorrow night. sadly, we ran out of time

tonight. until tomorrow night, tune in every night at 8:00 to the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. that's it for us. happily, sean hannity is live in new york city. sean? >> sean: tucker, great show. welcome to "hannity." everything we have been telling you on this program for months is notg coming to fruition. i know it's slow. it's frustrating to become too. breakingoj tonight, doj inspectr general michael horowitz will open an investigation into fisa abuses within the department of justice and the fbi. this is big, big news and we'll explain why. we have been sounding this alarm about the deep state weaponizing the intelligence community night after night and finally, now, we are one step closer to getting the justice we've been calling for, and you, the american people deserve. by the way, this announcement could not come at a better time. because tonight, newly uncovered text messages between trump hating fbi lovebirds peter strzok and lisa page, they are