march in 17 years. that will do it today. you can catch me tomorrow on the intelligence report on the fox business network at 2:00 p.m. eastern. "the five" is next for you now. >> i'm dana perino along with kimberly guilfoyle. juan williams and jesse watters. it's 5:00 in new york city. this is "the five." new developments on the republican push for investigation of alleged fisa abuses by the fbi and d.o.j. in russia probe. the international watchdog at the justice department will examine accusations of misconduct. the former trump campaign adviser carter page. michael horowitz is investigating at the request of the jeff sessions. judge napolitano thinks he will find wrong doing. >> i believe that the inspector

general will find a treasure trove not just mccabe and company, that is the most seem violation -- the victim is the president of the united states. he was a candidate and president-elect at the time. he will find a treasure trove of abuses going to fisa getting warrants. >> nobody has actually nunes admitted he hasn't read the documents. michael horowitz is the inspector general at the d.o.j. he is going to look into this. he's got a lot on his plate to investigate. has confidence of attorney general sessions as well as members of the hill on the republican and democratic side. tell me what you think on the most critical issues. >> you want to make sure in terms of who's making the request, what evidence they're relying on to substantiate these claims. we have to give him the opportunity to go through it. otherwise the speculation in

terms of what kind of violations etcetera that they might uncovered. i'm interested who is getting the evidence and what sources. we've seen some abuses in the past in terms of information that was proper that wasn't accurate, that wasn't verified. i think that's important to check out in terms of what they might be looking for >> they're all look into those things. there's a ton of accusations. part of this comes from the text messages from the fbi agents who was having affair. there was coordination between the white house and fbi. it should have been more independent than that, this was during the obama administration. >> not just the obama white house but the obama white house, the fbi, d.o.j., harry reed, cia and hillary clinton. if you just take it from the beginning, hillary paid for the fake dossier filled with russian lies. they have you have a hillary

donor who sent fbi the tip about papadopoulos. these fbi agents opened up the investigation. then, john brannan the cia director under president obama briefs harry reed about it. at the same time obama chief of staff at the white house, had been talking briefed by the counterintelligence division of the fbi about the trump campaign investigation and from what we believe he was urging it to move forward. the briefing from brannan to reid leaked and wound up in the isikoff article. it was used as a justification for the warrantless spying on carter page. it's funny, carter page never been charged with a crime and

was fbi informant for many yea years. james comey takes the information. it's all verified and isikoff article. as this is all happening the fbi agents text and they say, here we go. to the allegation is that they have through all of these people, laid the ground work and laid the legitimacy for the surveillance on the trump campaign. after trump's elected, james comey briefs the president on the dossier and that same day, cia director under obama been than leaks the information to cnn. when all these investigators start asking for documentation, they get stonewalled by the fbi and the d.o.j. the coordinate nation is amazing. if only republicans could coordinated effectively as the democrats. >> one of the things steve bannon said before he left, how

can we collude. >> fair point. >> imagine if this kind of evidence was presented under president hillary clinton. that was against her undermining her. the media would be in their pink hats making protest signs. it's not. it's under under trump. i'm not going to be like them. i'm not going to get hysterical. this is one of the longest dances ier seen in politics. i call it the collusion two step. step one it's a trump russian collusion, it's coordination among officials. two step keeps going on and on. you're good at this. i recommend we declare this beef a tie and like you in soccer, the end of the game, 0-0. i can settle this with penalty

kicks. this is a zero game. just have each side do penalty kicks. with you should start expelling people on each side. >> dana, news just came in attorney general sessions has stated there will be no special second counsel needed. for now. doesn't mean it won't come later. >> the other in addition to that, there was breaking news that the "new york times" broke president's former lawyer had approached the lawyers for michael flynn and paul manafort about the possibility of a pardon and john dowd saying, that didn't really happen. they have a lot of sources on it. other thing is, reuters says there's additional investigation mueller looking into actual conversations taking place at the convention in ohio for the republicans. especially looking into how that along about ukraine got watered

down so much in the platform. >> wow. real news. all of this seems to be striking. it puts the presidency in a very position. if you have john dowd no longer the president's top lawyer, but john dowd reaching out to lawyers for paul manafort and mike flynn to discuss the possibility of pardons. that's direct obstruction of the mueller investigation. because the idea, manafort has yet to strike a deal and people are wondering what's going on there. >> on that point, i was listening to the daily this morning, about john dowd, he said, what we have pardoned them for? you can't give a blanket pardon for you're pardoned? >> you don't have to wait long. they're indicted. you can hang out there the

possibility of a pardon. then once they are indicted, you know what, no need to cooperate. no need to tell your tale that might be damning to the president. the president has the power to pardon. the president's power is pretty much unlimited with regard to pardon in this case, because he's the one under investigation, it would be illegal. it would be not necessarily, illegal, it would allow robert mueller to say there's obstruction of justice case based on the behavior of president's lawyer. the second thing is, with regard to ukraine and the watering down the language at the convention, again, here is russia playing a role potentially if this story is true, that really again, undermines the democratic's process. even republicans can't get their own policy platform in place without russian interference. >> you can change a policy without interference. >> now the policy with regard to

ukraine is much tougher than it was under president obama. we sold them missiles and hard arms where obama was giving them food. >> you forget that russia was upset we were putting anti-missile devices in poland and other places there. under the obama administration and then decided they were going to take that aggressive action in the ukraine. >> obama missile difference in eastern europe was not as robust as george w. bush's was. >> i want to make one last thing. this fisa thing is a total distraction. in january of this year, you had 191 house republicans and you had 43 of the 52 senate republicans vote to reauthorize and president trump signed it. >> that's a good transition for my question to greg. i think there are some people who are hoping for some sort of edward snowden moment. if they're worried about government interference and

privacy and fourth amendment. they're hoping a review by the inspector general about this specific case will be wholesale review or the elimination of the fisa court. >> perhaps. every single day they have to find something new that is working. i go back to the golf bag of weaponry. it's like you have the iron of stormy daniels. you have russia, you have had physical health and mental instability. everyday there's something and the language that he's used in all of these attacks against president trump used trade suggest possible ex. it's never it is. when you talk about these fisa things, we can use the republicans or the conservatives can say, this suggests, possible coordination. now the anti-trumpers are feeling what they had been doing all along. clearly, though, there is a group of people high up in the quarters of power who are figuring out a way to get rid of

trump. they believe they had a higher purpose that put them above the law. it's them against the world. they have to do it. they should be willing to be punished for what they are doing wrong. they are driven by some kind of irrational emotional panic. >> that's the exact quote from a congressional staff on the republican side. we're not saying that anything actually was improper. they should be looked into. >> the thing is -- this whole panic was created by two groups. anti-trump media who didn't think trump will get him elected. government officials became politically activated once this happened. >> maybe it's about trump. it is about trump. chaotic president.

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>> after president trump said he's replacing v.a. secretary david shulkin. he pinned farewell in the "new york times." he made the place better and served his country and no one likes to be fired. i should know, three times. i got one beef. he claims he was fired because he opposed privatizing the bureaucracy. claiming the privacy sector could not handle these patients. it's what enabled the v.a. tragedy in the first place. the difference was accountability and the free market there are consequences to actions. if you suck, you suffer. in the public sector, there's no real costs to your blunders which is why when things are bad, it takes years to fix them. like the v.a. where there is accountability,

there are standards. it's one built on competition which rewards the competent and punishes its opposite. the market works faster in eradicating problems because it can't put occupy with them. shulkin did a good job. he did a good job after a really bad job by bureaucracy immune to competitive pressure. by bashing privatization without proof, he defends the system that's not as good as he is. maybe let's try a new approach if it doesn't work, at least the free market won't try to hide it. dana, i think shulkin did do a good job. he was starting less than zero at the v.a. let's say you become coach of 0-16 nfl family and you get to 3-13. >> this is a very complex problem. it's been going on for decades. even dis-- disagreements between

department of defense and v.a. this question about privatization it's alarming. when you think about a veteran who might live in a rural community and doesn't have access to immediate near hospital, va hospital. should they be allowed to have a private voucher to go and get treatment at the nearest hospital rather than having to travel so far. or it happens a lot, they forego treatment. i do think that innovation has been stymied for decades. he was not let go because of the performance at the department as well as questionable behavior in regards to being in the news about he handled afterwards trips overseas with the wife and all that. it was just getting to be too much to bear. >> what do you think about that? it says about innovation. in public agencies, when you don't have accountability,

innovation is slowed. accountability in general prevents quality from coming to the floor. do you agree in some way shape or form? >> i think what you say is true. the private sector tends to be more punishing for failure. what i i think we're overlooking here, dana touched on it, this is not a new debate. privatization has been a long term discussion with regard to how we treat our veterans in terms of medical needs. what's come up in the debate, it's been a full throated debate, is that, often times veterans are suffering from things like post-traumatic stress or they're having brain injuries of a that are are suffered on the battlefield. the v.a. developed specializations how you handle these issues. the private sector did not have an incentive because it's how many such situations do you see in ordinary life. by the way, dana, with regard to people who live in rural areas

from va hospital, ethis already give out vouchers. what you have now is a situation according to shulkin, where president trump is of a mind that there needs to be privatization. he doesn't want to hear about the argument or the debate. shulkin writes in his op ed this is about pursuing a political agenda. he notes by the way, high levels of right now approval from veterans for the v.a., i think he said 70% >> kimberly my point to that, it was so bad when he took it over, any improvement will be taken as welcome relief. >> it was just abysmal in terms of the abuses happening. it's a still very serious problem that they have with the v.a. and admiral taking it over now is really going to have a tough time. there's so many abuses there and corruption. it's difficult to terminate anybody more lack of competence.

he's going to be stuck with time to rebuild and rehabilitate the culture at the v.a. he should be able to do that. if he wins the confidence of the people there, hopefully they will be embolden and the passionate about it to help the veterans. they really do deserve our very best. >> jesse last word. make it count. >> okay. i would say that cabinet secretary is never going to be able to fully control a bureaucracy. they can only seek to tame it and in terms of shulkin, he did an average job. you have a lot of good things that happen where they have the accountability and protection so you can fire and discipline bad apples within the v.a. also as juan said they expanded the mental healthcare for veterans returning overseas that predisposed to suicide. but the ethical lapses were troubling. he's taking his wife on a european site seeing and shopping tour then lied about

it. had to reimburse six figures. last year, last march the inspector general found that the v.a. was lying about wait times. they said it's 36% rate that the veteran has to wait. they lied and said it was only 10%. then about $13,000 in virginia, got the choice program. you get to go to a private hospital. they never let them go to a private hospital. they had to wait three months. that's last march. this march, same thing. the audit found the same thing. they are fudging the numbers on the wait line. >> all right. through go. shulkin appears live on special report tonight at 6:00 p.m. eastern. that will be exciting. ahead you'll hear from rosanne barron her phone call with the president following her huge ratings win. (vo) make her day with

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>> as former tv titan president trump can appreciate huge rating win. he was impressed with the rosanne pulled in tuesday night, more than 18 million. he decided to give the star of the show a congratulatory call. here's rosanne barr on how that went. >> it was about the most exciting thing ever. it was just very sweet of him to congratulate us. we talked about a lot of things. he's just happy for me. i've known him for many years. he's done a lot of nice things for me over the years. it was just a friendly conversation about working and television and ratings.

>> nice personal touch on that the president has to reach to people and make the call and connection that is established. it makes you feel good. this is somebody who will continue to do political coverage on the show. kind of nice moment. >> it was also favorable to donald trump. i don't know if he would call if it was a really antitrump show. i wondering like, i have an idea. if sitcoms will be introducing politics into their scripts can it go two ways? can a political show become a sitcom? i have a few ideas. it will be the life and antics of lou dobbs getting in trouble. all in the hannity. i will be meat head. fox with friends. that's when -- what do you think? >> i like it. >> hello. >> she bailed.

>> dana, what do you make? >> i've been thinking about -- one of the reasons it's successful if you look at the election results. in the 1990s, rosanne barr would have been a clinton supporter. they were working class midwest folks. they voted for clinton in droves. what happened 30 years later, hillary clinton is running and she loses those voters by 30 points. bill clinton won those voters by 11 points. donald trump won those voters by a slimmer american. he solidified that base. if you are going to have a show like this with a tremendous amount of promotion leading to up it with a already popular cast and they have the entire original cast is there. i'm not surprised it did well >> it's very cool. i'm sure she's excited about this. jesse you get excited like that. >> crushincrushing it on on "th"

i can see the phone call now. rosanne, celebrity apprentice. good try. it's funny how the world is so surprised when conservatives do well. the passion came out of nowhere. american sniper huge success. more than al gore's global warming thing. fox news dominated for the last 15 to 20 years. no one can understand that. if you look at the "new york times" best seller list, it's just like every other person is a conservative author or killmeade or someone like that. i asked how the book doing. the paperwork just cracked "new york times" best seller. he's doing great.

>> he's printing money. he's got his own bank now. >> you can tell never how he dresses. talk radio too. it's dominated by conservatives. finally the market seems to be recognizing that. >> i think you have a situation with rosanne. i continue agree with greg more. the president calls ehe sees it as beneficial to himself. i'm surprised he's thrilled with you greg. but the second thing -- i will say that, i find it interesting that it did well. i see here on the list in places like tulsa, oklahoma, kansas city in places where the president did well during his campaign. he didn't do well in san francisco. that was number two on the list of low rated place. greensboro, north carolina, that's number one. low rated market.

>> chicago. >> actually, the show is based in illinois. that would help it out. when i look at this, what it says to me, this is culture and politics. unlike dana, i think dana is wrong on this. i remember that hillary clinton got the most votes and i think that where the -- >> so do al gore. >> with those voters, working class, noncollege voters, bill clinton won by 11 points. she lost them by 30 points. >> i heard you on that. >> i know she won majority of the country. >> i think that in fact, like jesse saying, look at talk radio, look at fox news. i think, everybody on the right wing side, it's the mainstream

media, they're controlled by the liberals and the left and they have insulting comments and all the rest of it. i don't think it's the case that someone who is writing against president trump or doing a show against president trump is not getting attention and not doing well. >> you're saying main networks and main newspapers. >> the industry too, you have to take a risk if you do that. in her peers, do not feel the same way she does. >> she's like the honey badger of celebrities. >> once it does well and makes money, that's a reason to keep doing it. >> other people just might follow suit. you can get a call from the president. you might get a kick out of a new comment from obama's former attorney general eric holder. stay tuned for that. i'm mark and i quit smoking with chantix. i was a heavy smoker for 26 years. i smoked a pack and a half a day and i was able to quit with chantix. i never thought that i could quit,

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>> does eric holder name come to mind. president obama attorney general still isn't ruling out a run in 2020. >> if i was do it, i would do it because i would i think would have concluded that i could pain unify the country that help unify the country. because it's bigger than any one person. i could advance -- actually i can repair and then advance the nation in a variety of context. >> i'm beginning to competition some of my pals here don't see holder as a uniter. >> this nation has proudly thought of itself as a ethnic melting pot. things racial, we continue to be in too many ways essentially a nation of cowards.

>> i realized that contempt is not a big deal to our attorney general. but it is important that we have proper oversight. >> you don't want to go there. >> i think we are still a nation that is too afraid to confront racial issues. i think any one of my kids would make a better president than donald trump. >> okay, dana, you were jumping out there. >> i didn't realize we had more to go. i think it's fun to watch all the possible 2020 contenders dip their toe in. i don't think it will be warm for him for the voters that he would need to win. could he do the obama coalition? yeah, possibly. we did a segment about the ro stan -- rosanne voters and trump voters, democrat have to figure out way to win them back if they want to win the presidency. i don't know what his pitch is going to be on that.

>> obviously it's an anti-trump pitch. >> i i don't know how you unify if you don't disown identity politics. his mustache is no match for john bolton. if he runs, he's going to have to have president obama by his side because that was only reason why he survived for six years. he had amazing protection from obama. when you see what he did. he investigated journalist, he refuses special prosecutor for the i.r.s. and there's fast and furious. he sued to block school vouchers in louisiana who was amazing. there's gitmo, khalid sheikh muhammad. he's made more bad calls. only way he could run if obama was his running mate. >> wow. >> oprah is now running and steadman will run. that's chaotic.

that was dennis miller's analogy. he's been held in civil and criminal contempt. that's not a great track record. he's been divisive on guns and race. everything you can name as an issue, americans care about, he has divided the country. >> he's never talked about the economy or jobs. >> he was the attorney general. i don't think that's his thing. just in response to you, he's a guy that angered the liberal base and democrats after three year investigation into the bush administration and torture, he said we will not prosecute that. that's a uniting kind of decision coming from the attorney general. >> united all of us. >> imagine obama locking up cia

agents for keeping us safe. >> he'll get like three votes. he was very politically devicive. he used law and court as a weapon to advance his own politics and beliefs. he did. he's the only attorney general in u.s. history to be held in contempt. that is not a winning endorsement to run for president of the united states. not to mention with all the cover ups with the i.r.s. and targeting conservative groups, fast and furious, border patrol agents killed. benghazi. he's not uniting anyone. >> you never know. that's what people said about trump. i happen to think that eric holder is most wonderful, public officials a the country had the opportunity to watch in action. stay right here, coming next, so

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if you don't believe in ufos maybe you will now. pilot of two commercial planes reported citing last month. we got a hold of a newly released audio. >> it's above us like 30 seconds ago. >> negative. >> yes. >> ufo. >> greg, you are a believer of this. you know what ufo stands for, unidentified flying object. that can be a bird. in 1970s everybody was seeing ufos all the time. there's less evidence and the reason is the drugs were better in the 1970s. alien life is gone. alien life began before us. they've gone through the same trajectory technological evolution. >> maybe they saw james carville

flying. >> you never hear about it from anywhere else. >> what about you? you're a believer? >> i am. this is an incomplete. this is fake news you guys are being fed here. in addition to the first thing that you saw that audio report where the pilot asked something fly over us. the second guy said ufo. few minutes later, an american airlines plane said, what flew over us guy. jesse is too young. this is only few miles from roswell, mexico. we got to cater to greg. you got to take care of greg's ego. greg believes in conspiracy theory. i know it was obama. it was obama. it was hillary's ego was moving. >> that's right. >> i think maybe it was lockheed

testing new model with the fastest aircraft. >> dropping some serious military knowledge. i like that. next up for 20 years south park has secured skewered politics on comedy central. >> welcome to pentagon sir. this way please. this is the drone program. you can kill anyone repoetly. here's the keys. in here is satellite surveillance where you can monitor anyone conversation live. extreme interrogation rooms. it's necessary. let's do it. >> just made a confession that likely rattly hollywood. you ready. they're republicans. does that surprise anybody? >> no. >> why not? >> i've watched the show for years. i love it. i saved them up and i watch them on airplanes and i laugh so hard. i'm from colorado. which is where the show is

based. this is not a surprise to me. >> what about you? >> they've always been pro free speech, pro liberty and free market and antileft. i assume they were independent libertarians. now that the left is competenting the validity of free speech on campus, they are more outspoken. the new culture war is about speech. it's from what's been called the regressive left. it's pretty scary. >> maybe after rosanne san they're saying we're republicans too. >> these guys are libertarians. maybe they felt they got to pick a box. i don't think it matters. they do great work. >> were you a south park fan? >> i still am. i think they're very funny. like the writing. i felt they probably were republicans. if you watch all the shows were way back, you can see in their

coverage what they used to do about kim jong-un's father. it's amazing >> takes one to know one. finally i want to hear what our residents can kimberly guilfoyle have to say about this. chip gaines hg tv after he dares avocado toast. >> that's gusting. nobody wants off caw doe on thei--avocado on their toast. >> i'm done. >> i've never had avocado toast. >> i used to be one of those people, like what. if you go out for brunch, what do you want. you want something really good. like burger and bloody mary and steak and eggs. then avocado, what is going on with that. it seems odd. i tried it. it's good. >> pro avocado. >> it was delicious. >> everybody pro avocado? >> yes. >> juan never had it.

>> if you guys remember when we were at back 9:00, we did segment on avocado toast. avocado toast is the dr. jekyll and mr. hyde of food. avocado is the most amazing -- is a truitt? >> i think it's a fruit. >> it's got a seed. it's a fruit. it's amazing life safing fat but bread is carbohydrates. that adds to calories. avocado and bacon on lettuce with a really high fat dressing and you will lose weight. >> you're doing your atkins thing. >> up next, one more thing -- hi i'm joan lunden.

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>> jesse. >> brand new edition of mom tag. >> excellent. >> first up, jesse, you have not come a long way until you stop featuring yourself in your one more thing section. humility is something to consider. >> former head of the fbi is a good actor and who you might be? >> i have another one, stormy beating trump at his own media game. mom, yikes. the dark jacket is a vast improvement over the ferris wheel operator.

not to denigrate ferris wheel operators. she was referring to that beautiful blazer there. >> you think it looks good. >> i do. lastly, you look very handsome and i do not want that text feeding your ego going public. we got burned. >> so cute. >> she can definitely write for msnbc. those first three there. >> your relationship with your mom is special. we love it. >> you have three one more things. >> it's greg's fitness tips. it's almost summer. you have to get your beach body. like this little fella here. little overweight. all you got to do is find little treadmill this one month old trying to work off that wenter fat -- winter fat. you know his ears weigh 30 pounds.

>> juan? >> take me out to the ball game. it's opening day for major league baseball. what way to start the season. watch the yankees, giancarlo stanton in his first at-bat with the new team. here it goes. >> giving out to right center field. that ball is gone! c-ya!. what a beginning for stanton. >> wow. the yankees, there's a new star from japan ohtani. he'll be in the lineup as a hitter. if you're looking for a dark horse theme for this season, go to minnesota. those twins are going to surprise a lot of people. >> all right. >> you remember this case dana, incredible young woman. nearly six years after a brutal taliban attack left her wounded. malala has returned to pakistan. she gave an emotional heart felt

speech where she vowed to continue fighting for a girls, education and she hope that pakistanis can put their differences aside and come together to empower women. she has led the malala fund. which invested seven million in schools and provided uniforms for school children around the world. >> she's a remarkable young lady. that was very emotional returning. good for her. if you've been watching, you might have heard one of our producers, jennifer williams is going to be raising a canine companion in honor of her late brother. he will be named spike. her brother's name was kyle. that's them today. meeting for the first time in long island. this is in honor of her brother, which will be fun. he is going to join us on daily

briefing on monday. that will be fun to meet him finally. set your dvrs. never miss an episode of "the five" or special report which is up next. >> bret: thanks, the outgoing veterans affairs secretary blasts the critics who he says costs him his job. we'll talk live with dr. david shulkin. president trump goes after amazon again and pushes his public/private and is your child suffering from the high-tech disorder of too much screen time? are -- our kids and culture series continues. >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. just fired secretary dave