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hosting. i want to say one thing, i said a british spy, he was a brush and double agent. you can find me on twitter, facebook, instagram. now, laura, who i think is sitting there, pretty in pink. are you there? >> laura: hey, judge jeanine, great show tonight. >> jeanine: i am looking forward to you or us tonight. >> laura: thank you, judge jeanine. i am laura ingraham on "the ingraham angle." we got you covered with news breaking on multiple fronts. we have exclusive reports of exactly why joel and mike jeff sessions fired former fbi director andrew mccabe, that is coming up in our next block,s that young girls, get this, are flooding the accused parkland shooter with fan mail. what is that all about? we are going to have analysis. and president trump reportedly pressing the military to pay for the border wall. good idea? is it even possible? we are going to assess that.
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first, our top story, law enforcement demanding a border wall. on tuesday's show, i laid out several examples of crimes recently committed by illegal aliens, an illegal immigrant deported 17 times, arrested for a hit-and-run in san diego. a machete-wielding man near new orleans who attempted to kidnap children at a walmart. and a possible serial killer of the elderly in dallas. well, now there is this in las vegas. speak out suspects involved in these crimes are extremely violent. ten murders in 12 months, las vegas police they all were committed by the gang ms-13. speak at least six of the ten vs were kidnapped before they were killed and their bodies were dumped. >> two victims belonged to the gang, known for zero tolerance to snitching. >> i'll were shot or stabbed numerous times. >> laura: the department of justice announced that four
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illegal immigrants from el salvador are charged with federal crimes related to the mayhem. and here is how a local pastor who has been trying to reform members describe the problem. >> we are literally seeing the impact of third world violence right here and what we are calling a civilized society. we are seeing younger and younger people committing more violent crime, including murder, and so, yeah, that's concerning. >> laura: it's a nightmare. this is third world violence happening in america. you bet it's concerning. so how do we stop this? well, on monday, 380 sheriffs representing 40 states announced that they had sent a letter to every member of congress calling for legislation that includes president trump's border wall. joining us for reaction is the sheriff who spearheaded that letter, bristol county, massachusetts, sheriff tom
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hodgson, and also a former deputy press secretary for the dmc, in miami. i thought you were going to be here in studio with me, now you are in miami. it's good to see both of you. let's talk about this issue, it is a sticky issue, a controversial issue, sheriff, let's start with you. 380 sheriffs -- there are a lot of sheriffs across the country, but that is not an insignificant number, saying the board about as necessary. we have got congressmen and senators in washington who say sensors and partial double fencing and other technology drones, that will be enough along with additional manpower to secure this border. >> first of all, these are pretty who spend their time, little idea of what the terrain is and so forth. it's going to be -- there are going to be some cyber things, there will be some, you know,
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visual posts. the wall is absolutely critical to keep people from getting into this country as easily as they are coming in now, and they keep flooding and by the thousands, as you know. >> laura: i went to go to you on this. a columnist for "the new york post" wrote a piece listing the illegal aliens who were caught at the border, and this is back in the year 2015, and we are not talk about mexicans or guatemalans or salvadorans. we are talking about people from countries that were labeled by president obama as terror havens. this is what they found in 2015. border patrol defenses detained, from iran, 154, sudan, 81, syria, 57, and from cuba, then designated a terrorist country, 2,281, and then countries of interest included afghanistan, algeria, iraq, lebanon, nigeria, pakistan, saudi arabia, 276.
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small, 131. yemen, 71. this is a national security issue, is it not, at the border? >> it's a national security issue, laura, but we have to be clear of something, and it is this. the only way that we are actually going to solve it, the only way were actually going to get the real criminals, let me be clear, anybody in this country who is undocumented and has committed serious crimes, they have to be deported by the way we do that is by tackling comprehensive immigration reform. that's actually get the undocumented immigrants who are good people, let's get them out of the shadows, let's move them towards the system, that would allow people like the sheriff to actually go after the bad guys. >> laura: so it -- >> that's what we've got to do. >> laura: you are saying the people who are illegal immigrants in the united states or in the shadows? because i see them at rallies, i see them at protests, i see them
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at congressman's offices, i saw them at the state of the union. i don't see them -- they're outside of walmart, they are getting jobs, they are working, some are daca members. there are a lot of people who are not in the shadows any longer. most of them, i don't think. >> they are certainly in the shadow of the economy, even though they pay taxes, right? >> laura: not most pay taxes. >> a lot of them do though. you know that a lot of them do. a lot of them do. >> laura: jose, you and i would agree that a lot of employers are abusing these immigrants. they are taking advantage of them. >> by paying them very little money, absolutely. >> laura: they are endangering the lives of a date and make illegal immigrants because they think they can get a job. that is endangering their lives. let me go back to the sheriff. we'll go back in one second. sheriff, heard what jose said, what we need, comprehensive reform. this wall is a waste of money, people climb over any wall. your reaction?
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>> you will not have comprehensive reform until you dear deal with security, not going to happen. this idea of people coming out of the shadows and you need them to report crime, that is a false narrative. more to the point is, you have people who are pro-sanctuary state saying, get them out of the shadows, give them a protective bubble so no one can identify who they are, at the same time, you've got to becerra in california saying, you law-abiding citizens, you business owners, if you dare to not cooperate with i.c.e., -- if you dare to cooperate with i.c.e. -- it is outrageous and completely un-american and undermines the sheriffs and all of the law enforcement community who are trying to keep this country saf safe. >> laura: i think one things americans can't keep their minds wrapped around, california is
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such a beautiful state, i took the california bar years ago, wanted to live there, loved the state. but it is an odd thing, is it not, when business owners, paying a lot of taxes, they are actually made out to be the bad guys when they cooperate with i.c.e. or they simply reports to i.c.e. or they allow i.c.e. to come in and examine their workplace. they are the bad guys, and then the illegal immigrants who are released back into society, they are coddled, they are protected, and sometimes to go and maim or kill or rape or commit other crimes again. that is the dynamic. i think people are thinking, what mack wait a second, are they on our sides or are they on illegal immigrants 'asides? >> i understand the debate, but you don't think that by building a ball -- that a waste of money. let me say something on the wall. let me speak, his share.
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with all due respect something that you said, under president barack obama, we put more boots on the ground than any other prior precedent in the history of this country, so we have been trying to do this, we have been trying to secure the border, and republicans, time and time again, they don't keep their -- they don't keep their -- >> laura: i would like to play sound bite, this is from the border patrol council who who n our show last week. let's watch. >> i just finished my shift a couple of hours ago patrolling the border. i speak with hundreds of agents, and all of those agents are telling me, we need walls in strategic locations, and we're going to prove that we need those walls. >> laura: uh, that is a guy with the boots on the ground. and he said, there are literally parts of the board you can walk across right near the rio grande. just walk right across, no barrier, just a bunch of
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tumbleweeds, i guess, no barrier. just walk right across and they do it. it is a national security issue and an economic issue and a humanitarian issue all wrapped into one. >> and i agree, and there are better ways to do it. with drones, with people on the ground, we don't need to waste money -- let me say one more thing on the wall really quickly. instead of building a physical wall with mexico. i have an idea. why don't we build a wall with russia. that's a real threat, not mexico. let's look to the other side. >> laura: i love the fact, jose, i'm going to salute you for getting the rush out reference. that's like a camel sit spin and a triple lutz all combined. >> just look at israel. they have a combination of sievert stuff, they have balloons in the air, they have
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things, but we have to have a wall. it's not going to stop people. i been on the border three times, i have watched the surveillance, i saw a guy take the yellow raft, halfway across, here's the plane, it scurries back over, and he was going to be back over that border as soon as we left. >> laura: i thought you were going to say, sheriff, he looked up and waved, "hi." >> he did, but he didn't use his whole hand when he waved. >> laura: i gotcha. have a great easter weekend. president trump showed no signs of backing down on his promise to build a border rally at a rally in richmond ohio today. >> drugs are flowing across borders. we need walls. we start building our wall, i'm so proud of it. we already started, you saw the pictures today, i said what a thing of beauty, and on september 28th, we go further, and we get that sucker bills.
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you think that's easy? people say, as he given up on that wall? i never give up. >> laura: the recent reports that the president is considering having the military pay for the wall. joining me for reaction, lieutenant colonel michael wall. this is a filed situation now. the president said that today, i think it was "the washington post," made up in "the new york times," tonight said that that is not true, nothing is under way, i don't know what he is talking about. meanwhile the american people are wondering, what is going on? with national security, with humanitarian problems, with the economic problem, with the strain on our budget. you see what is going on in california, the homelessness. why can't we enforce our border? is there no will to do it? i think the president has the will but congress doesn't seem to think so. >> first, the president is absolutely right.
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border security is a national security issue. look, a pipeline that can move immigrants and can move drugs can also move wmds come on, terrorists, and can move weapons. and we know that hezbollah is all over south-central america, is working with mexican drug gangs, has below operative was convicted in 2011 for working with the mexican drug gang in order to smuggle drugs in and assassinate a saudi ambassador, so he is absolutely right. in fact, the department of defense and military, both national guard and active-duty, are supporting i.c.e., are supporting law enforcement all up and down our borders. the issue here is paying for it, and in order to reprogram fronts, you have to go back to congress. you can move relatively small amounts, but in order to billions, like what is estimated to build the wall, you're going to have to go back to congress.
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it should have been negotiated in the current bill. >> laura: it is infuriating on multiple levels that that was not an absolute must in the omnibus. but we know, colonel , that paul ryan, mitch mcconnell, many others in the leadership and other mainstream republican republicans, they don't want a wall. they didn't want a wall, they are happy with sensors or drones. they do not want a wall. they don't like the imagery of the wall. they think it makes us look like, you know, east germany. they don't want it. they never wanted it. trump ran on it and won in part on that wall, in large part on that wall, and i think, come hell or high water, he started to make sure that is built for his future. >> you know, laura, there is this interesting question of, can he declare a national emergency of what is going on on our border. much like what happens in a
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hurricane or another natural disaster or a riot, and federalize troops, federalize the national guard, and use them in this case? again, what happened in those cases is, there is a quick conversation with congress and the president moves forward under his executive authority, and then the appropriate at later. there is a lot of discussion on whether he can declare this in a national emergency and do it. >> laura: you think it will tie him up in the courts? they are going to try to sue the administration, a preliminary injunction, and injunctive release, stop him from doing that, it's going to get all tied up. >> at the end of the day, itself make your absolutely right, it should have been negotiated in the bill. >> laura: you know mattis, i can't imagine mattis is wild about this. it's been confirmed that they were running back the general counsel. i think that is window dressing to placate the president. mattis doesn't volunteer wall.
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donald trump is one of the few people left in the entire administration that really wants a wall, and his instinct about this is always frayed. the best political instinct, most of the substance, congress hasn't caught up with him. >> dod can go back and reprogram these funds. tell general mattis are going to do it, go back, and they can we fight this in congress. >> laura: i think they should. >> there is a notion he won't have to go back to congress, and to my knowledge, you have to. >> laura: colonel waltz, congress has said he won't do anything for the rest of the year until, i guess, the next budget fight comes around in the wall. they're not going to do anythin anything. be on vacation for two weeks, do a little naming of some my brace. why not do that, take the substantive fight to congress, i think that is a great fight for trump to take. close it out.
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>> no, and he absolutely can do that, he can order the dod to do that, he can order dhs to do it. under his executive authority. i want to emphasize, the military is already out there supporting this effort and doing a fantastic job, but you can't decide you want less planes and more ships and move funds. but stick it back on congress and make them do their job. >> laura: all right, thank you so much. and we've got exclusive new info. you're not going to want to miss this. stay right there. about the firing of the fbi deputy director andrew mccabe, and jim jordan and mark meadow's dryness exclusively to discuss it next. ♪ come fly with me, let's fly, let's fly away. ♪
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>> laura: big news out of the department of justice tonight. attorney general jeff sessions announcing that he will not be appointing a second special counsel to review the fbi's handling of the russia and hillary clinton probe. in a letter to three congressional leaders, sessions notice that special counsel's are only appointed in extraordinary circumstances. and that, instead, he has assigned john huber in utah to conduct a review of the most
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high-profile cases. of course, and "intermingle" exclusive, and firing andrew mccabe of the fbi, just days before the retirement, citing an ig report, that he lied under oath. the public still hasn't seen that report, but joining me now are two men whose offices have a copy of the inspector general's copy. let's bring in, from columbus, ohio, jim jordan, and with me here in the studio, north carolina congressman, mark meadows, also republican. let's start with you, congressman jordan, what is the headline that is going to come out of this inspector general report? >> well, we don't know what will come out of that, but we know about andrew mccabe, he didn't lie just once, he lied four times, for good times, he comey, to the office of fiscal responsibility, and lied under oath to the inspector general. remember, this is andrew mccabe, deputy director of the fbi, andrew andrew mccabe, the
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text messages between peter strzok and lisa page, talking about the insurance policy in case donald trump was actually president of the united states, so that is why this is significant, it wasn't once, twice, four times he lied about leaking information to "the wall street journal" about the fbi. >> laura: congressman meadows, he was adamant in the op-ed that his career speaks for itself, that he was authorized to speak as he did to the press, and yet you guys are saying he lied four times. >> i think it's not our words, it's actually the independent investigation was done by his colleagues. when you read it, it's not about politics. you broke the news, actually, you broke the news right here a little over a week ago now, and what we are finding, everybody saying, this is political in nature, when you read the report, you see it is not political, because under oath, certainly with the investigatio investigation, a real crime.
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here is why it is critical. attorney general sessions, just talk about extraordinary circumstances, how much more extraordinary will you be, you fire the central player in the investigation, that is one critical component. we need to have the special counsel. i disagree with the attorney general, i can tell you tonight, i went through and viewed some redacted things that were given to our committee, and on seven pages, there were 12 material facts -- material facts, not just names -- material facts that were omitted by the department of justice. it is time that they come clean and give congress what they need. >> laura: 12? >> 12 material facts. what i'm talking about is, you know the news broke about the meeting that happened with denis mcdonough -- >> laura: the former white house chief of staff for barack obama. >> that was redacted. but it didn't stop there. when we look at the multiple
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reactions that have taken place, this department of justice is not complying with the subpoena and with the oversight responsibility we have in congress. for the attorney general to suggest that there is not enough there is extremely disappointing. >> laura: congressman jordan, it sounds like your colleague, congressman meadows, is saying that -- -- i mean, there is a reason to redact information, whether it was a relationship with judge contreras, relationship about mcdonough. >> we go in the room, it is ridiculous, but mark is exactly right, when the attorney general writes congress and says, only under extraordinary circumstances to be appointed second special counsel, well, how 'bout these stats, laura? james comey has been fired,
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deputy director andrew mccabe has been fired, jim baker, former chief counsel of the fbi has been demoted and reassigned, peter strzok, former deputy head of counterintelligence has been reassigned, and lisa page, former fbi council, has been demoted and reassigned. if those aren't extraordinary circumstances warranting a second special counsel, i don't know what the heck is. so i don't know why the attorney general keeps postponing this. everybody knows we need a second special counsel to get to the bottom of this. how can mr. huber -- i don't know much about mr. huber, he's probably very good -- we have all of this pfizer abuse within took place, you have to have a second special counsel, i hope just jeff sessions figures this out. >> laura: this is what one of your chief critics on another network said on the question. >> was there ever a strong case for appointing a second special counsel? >> no. as far as i could tell, most of the accusations against the fbi
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were going to lunatic conspiracy theories, just not grounded in anything, and i think the attorney general did an appropriate thing here. >> laura: congressman meadows? >> we look at the facts, the facts speak for themselves, laura. when we are looking at, is it a material fact that peter strzok had a relationship with a fisa judge and they concealed it, yes. is it a fact -- and we now know that the investigation ended -- donald trump started late july, there was a meeting with the department of justice, they said the white house is leading this. >> laura: i think a lot of folks missed that when this happened the other day, that the white house is leading. >> we got text messages that would suggest that you paid within seven days of that, we had a meeting with the white house, chief of staff, we can't draw a conclusion, but
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we can certainly look at the facts, and the facts do speak to further investigation. >> laura: why can't he bring mcdonough and? >> i think that would be the appropriate thing to do, but it's not just there. some of the reactions that the department of justice have, they keep the names so we don't know who to bring in. >> this is from another text we were talking about, strzok to page, internal joint cyber until peace for d, that refers to directorate comey, from mcdonough brief, trainer of the fbi's cyber division directed all cyber info be pulled. i let bill and jim hammer a doubt first, there would be best for d -- comey -- to have it white house session. >> we know that, you can go right now and look it up, he was
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there, signed in, did that. that was august 8 of 2016, we know two days later, there was a meeting in the white house. we are putting the pieces of the puzzle together, but the doj are keeping some of the pieces from us. >> laura: congressman jordan, i want to ask you about a letter that was sent today. congressman gowdy and goodlatte, they seemed to heat some praise onto the u.s. attorney who would be looking into these questions. "while we continue to believe the appointment of a second special counsel necessary, this is a step in the right direction. we expect that u.s. attorney huber will conduct an independent and thorough investigation." i guess he was an obama appointee. imagine if an obama appointee concluded that there was perhaps even criminal wrongdoing here,
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that would pretty significant. an unending special counsel. >> my guess is, john huber is a great lawyer, he's going to do a great job, but it's not a second special counsel. in that report with rod rosenstein -- >> laura: he signed the application for the fisa warned. >> of course he did. that is a problem. >> laura: that is a problem. speak with these are extraordinary circumstances. those top five people at the fbi, they were involved, and we should never forget this. they were the ones with this dossier together, dressed it up like it was legitimate intelligence, took it to the fisa court and didn't tell the court the whole truth, namely, who paid for the dossier and the fact that the fbi had terminated the relationship with christopher steele, the author be dossier, and they didn't disclose that to the court. so those are all key facts, that's my second special counsel was certainly warranted under these extraordinary circumstances. >> laura: case is the snow
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make this big, monumental, consequential, you can't miss material facts, and you have to disclose conflicts, apparent conflicts, the appearance, it has to be disclosed otherwise no one who understands legal matters at the very least, many in the public, will not have faith in this investigation. that's how it works in a legal setting. >> laurel, it's supposed to be the truth, the whole truth, not part of it, when you go to the court, you've got to give them the whole truth. they did not do that at the fisa court. it was those people, and two have been fired, three have been demoted, we don't think that is extraordinary circumstances warranting a special counsel? tell me a fact pattern that would then, mr. sessions? >> laura: why do you think jeff sessions is so resistant? >> i think he's been poorly served. when you look at it, when i've had conversations with him in the deputy attorney general, almost like they have a set of talking points they go to, but
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they don't support these talking points. i would suggest both of them need to look at the fine details of this, and when they do, they will come to the same conclusion that jim and i have come to, it's time for a special counsel. >> laura: i don't think rod rosenstein was in a special counsel. i don't think he wants it. congressman, thank you so much for joining us tonight with this fascinating story. it gets more and more twisted as time goes on. we invited andrew mccabe's attorney onto the show tonight, however, he declined, stating a nondisclosure agreement. he could not discuss the content of the report. coming up, what is next for andrew mccabe? we are going to get expert analysis right after this. advil is relief that's fast strength that lasts you'll ask... what pain? with advil janice, mom told me you bought a house.
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>> laura: we continue now with reaction to deny its exclusive information about the firing of andrew mccabe. joining us not to analyze, from to mike from san francisco, a republican, and chairman of the national committee from palm springs, california, lucky guy, and retired fbi special agent, and here in washington, julian epstein, a former chief democratic counsel to the house judiciary committee and an old friend. let's start with you, you watch this exchange with the congressman, they are absolutely adamant that a u.s. attorney cannot investigate a set of facts that involves the man they
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would be reporting to, rod rosenstein. >> i think it is a thin read on the special counsel. let me talk about the politics for a second. 20 years ago, you and i remember debating a lot about they can start -- >> laura: wasn't that fun? >> yeah. i was part of an effort to discredit the special counsel them because i think he really overstepped his boundaries and made a lot of mistakes. and we might make that debate, 80% of the public actually agreed with us at the end of that. >> laura: started with white water, then ended. >> absolute, they thought starr had misplayed that. none of this has worked, i don't think this will work either. the public still believes the investigation should continue. as for the particulars of this issue, i think this is a bit of a teapot, i agree with jeffrey.
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how mccabe described his discussions with his employees, it was perfectly authorized, he was perfectly legitimate for him to -- >> laura: you think the office of responsibility, staffed with officials, they have a vendetta against andrew mccabe? he didn't really lie under oath? >> the extraordinary thing here -- >> laura: they did an investigation -- >> the inspector general's report hasn't been issued. >> laura: it is extraordinary for them to reissue a report. those findings were staggering to urge and indicate a firing, it would never happen. >> you know and i know there was an enormous amount of pressure from the president to the attorney general -- >> laura: the office of -- >> the attorney general was getting an enormous amount of pressure to fire mccabe, and the reason mccabe was fired, laura, the reason mccabe was fired because he -- trump was
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trying to get them to stand down, and that was an obstruction. >> laura: mccabe didn't have any unclean hands and best. >> laura: but that is why he was fired. >> laura: you heard what julian just said, your reaction? >> well, laura, there is a lot there, and what the congressman said earlier on your show doesn't surprise me, the fact that there were four coat separate lives gives more credence to this being a nonpolitical firing under extraordinary circumstances. andrew mccabe has been under investigation since october of 2016. some of the things that your readers and viewers may not remember is that starting only three days after the inauguration, a call from andrew mccabe's office is the one that such general flynn up for the ultimate perjury charge that he has played too, then on top of that, there was the incident where he went into
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reince priebus's office and said, they think this is b.s. then we see a cnn leak slamming the white house for that. the fact that he lied to comey, as congressman jordan and meadows just said, it is indicative of the fact that there is corruption and there is shocking behavior at the top of the fbi. >> how do you know who he lied to? >> that is what they just said. >> laura: no, the congressmen just read the report. >> but none of us have seen the report. >> >> laura: the office of professional responsibility, these are not political appointees, julian, they are career professionals. jeff sessions said this when you decide not to appoint irrational counsel. >> in high-profile circumstance
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circumstances, it has been more comments make make special arrangements within the department to ensure that actual or apparent conflicts can be avoided. while experiencing experienceds conduct an appropriate investigation." i can see that argument, but the congressmen are like, no way. >> i'm not a big fan of having a second special prosecutor. it is more a form of a function, i think, that the fbi agents are going to saying meg doing that no matter what. the same people working for bob mueller, they are fbi agents, whether they are working for special prosecutors or somebody inside the justice department, they are going to do their job now, hopefully that we have the element that was there before cleaned out, i don't really see the need. i think the men and women of the fbi are going to be able to investigate that case and bring their evidence to the justice department as long as the justice department handles it in the way that we see mueller
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handling it now rather than the way comey handled that by not and paneling a grand jury. i don't really see the dire need for a special counsel, but, you know, if they have one, fine, if they don't, i think the investigation is going to go forward. >> laura: here is my problem with special counsels is that they never end. it just goes on and on and on with seemingly limitless budget, very little oversight, i know they technically have oversight, but very little. julian and i, you're right, we were arguing about this years ago. not really a crime, but maybe something with russia, collusi, now it's a business deal here or stormy daniels. >> sessions presumably thinks this is a wacko theory, this involves mccabe's alleged discussions about the clinton
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email investigation, which is closed and over. >> and it should be closed and over. that's the point. closed and over is the whole point, julian. >> we can debase that. but this is an issue about whether he characterized accurately his staff's discussions with a newspaper. let's get more perspective. four of the people running the investigation, sessions, rosenstein, comey previously, wray is the head of the fbi, mueller, all republicans. republicans are running -- >> laura: most of the republicans are against trump. they hated trump. >> 19 indictments, including four -- >> laura: they were all ridiculing trump. >> the investigation is getting worse for the president. all right.
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>> laura: we are out of time. it would be lovely if the democrats, for one day, debated something like the economy. or trade. they agree with trump on a lot of the trade stuff. >> i don't. >> laura: well. it is interesting that when all this information comes out, redacted information, material information, if there is no "there" there, then let's find out what they knew, with susan rice knew, what denis mcdonough knew, that email that susan rice wrote on januart how everything was above board, redact stuff of that does need to be redacted. >> you know what it is, both parties are guilty of not talking about the economy. both parties are guilty. >> laura: that is my trump won. he is speaking to the forgotten class. great segment. why -- this is a bizarre story.
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julian, you would love -- this is a great story. why are so many of these women obsessed and infatuated with serial killers, even when they are behind bars? you won't believe what has been sent to nikolas cruz in prison, the parkland, massachusetts, shooter, those details moments away. for your best. sleep. ever. in the morning, you'll discover the amazing effects the bed is having on your sleep quality... your sleepiq score. and snoring? does your bed do that? only at a sleep number store where queen mattresses start at just $899. and, it's the last chance for clearance savings up to $800 on our most popular beds. ends saturday. visit sleepnumber.com for a store near you.
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>> laura: okay, there is a bizarre new development to the storm and douglas massacre. crazed women are flooding nikolas cruz, the alleged shooter, with everything from fan mail to donations of sexual pictures, and sadly, there is historic precedent for this type of behavior. joining us with morris ron martinelli, a forensic pathologist, along with a forensic psychologist, author of the book "bad boys: why we love them, how to live with them, and when to leave them."
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yikes. i don't want to say "we" in that. let's start with you, what is going on there, i read this and thought it has to be a joke. i hate the fact that we have to say "alleged shooter" with nikolas cruz, but i guess we have to say that. what gives with these women? what kind of issues do they hav have? it's mind-blowing. >> if i was going to use a big word, i would say they are enamored with people that do outrageous things to other people. these are clearly women that are off balance. as a matter of fact, they probably share some of the behavioral characteristics of people like nikolas cruz, and they tend to become infatuated with people that do horrible things. rapists, killers, bank robbers, it gives the women who are infatuated some distance from
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these people because there is an emotional and physical distance between themselves and what they are enamored with. i guess if i was going to use a big college word, i would say these women were "train wrecks." >> laura: doctor, you have written a book about this phenomenon, and you studied this case in particular. the list of the bags of fan mail, donations, sexually explicit photos, what is this all about? >> well, nikolas cruz, i talk about 12 different types of bad boys, he is the baddest of the bad, here's what i call it a lethal level. women are attracted to them have had the most dysfunctional relationships of all with their fathers that have made them feel unlovable, so they don't really believe that a man, a regular man outside of prison, would
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find them appealing enough. they need a man who is incarcerated, who is sort of desperate, and to will depend upon them, and they don't feel like they would deserve, also, like a prince, a good man. so that is part of it. nikolas is the perfect combination of both danger, the sexy danger, the erotic allure of danger. at the same time, he looks like a little lost puppy, and that brings out the desire for more men to rescue him. it is sort of a combination of the sexy allure and this need -- we know his sad story -- >> laura: this is a freak show. this is a freak show. it is so sad on so many levels, there are level and gradations of bad to the actual evil. you say bad, i say evil of bad
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boys. we are going to play two things for our viewers, for both of you. this is charles manson's girlfriend, then we have ted bundy proposing to his girlfriend. let's watch. >> he is one that knows what's going on. he is one that is in the truth when no one else's. charlie always tells the truth, no matter what. >> do you want to marry me? >> yes. >> i do want to marry you. >> laura: oh, my gosh, we have, like, no time left. the reaction to both from bothf you? >> it's very classic. it's sort of the bonnie falling in love with clyde. i agree with the doctor very much. these people are socially isolated. they don't have any support system from their families. >> laura: these ladies need help. dr. lieberman, will have you on
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radio, we are, unfortunately, out of time. but fantastic analysis. it is the one surefire way to get a pass from liberals in the media in the age of trump. details next. it was my very first car accident. we were hit from behind. i called usaa and the first thing they asked was 'are you ok?' they always thank you for your service, which is nice because as a spouse you serve too. we're the hayles and we're usaa members for life. see how much you could save with usaa by bundling your auto and home insurance. get a quote today.
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>> laura: in the trump hero, liberals and the media enablers seem to have one steadfast rule. it doesn't matter who you are or how checkered your record, so long as you take shots as president trump. you do that, you basically walk on water. case in point, they now-former va secretary david shelton. to put it politely, shulkin tenure was not the best. it was clear where things were headed from the get-go. >> we are having a meeting tonight at, what we call affectionately, the southern white house, seems to be the most convenient location. everybody wants to go to the southern white house. are you going to be at that meeting? you heard about it, right? that would be great. >> laura: not going to be at that meeting. [laughs] it went down from there. shulkin was also, let's not forget, the only obama-arrow official to serve, that ended up being a big mistake, and his missteps were leeching, a
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scathing inspector general report slams the management and patient care at a major veterans hospital in washington, and the agency blew tens of millions of taxpayer dollars for accounting practices. and shulkin himself misused taxpayer funds and violated ethics rules, splurging on a lavish trip to europe. unclear why that was needed. that is quite a track record. but shulkin is not going quietly into that good night. in fact, he appeared on no fewer than three cable networks denied, including our own, taking a thinly veiled shot at the president and his administration in "the new york times" op-ed section today, he wrote the following. "the environment in washington has turned so toxic, chaotic, disrespectful, and subversive that it became impossible for me to accomplish the important work that our veterans need and deserve. it should not be this hard to serve your country."
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aw. disrespectful in europe? and eight conspiracy in his own agency against him. >> i have been running this department, trying to work with both sides of the aisle, but there were some political appointees within my administration that didn't see it that way. >> you think it was trump appointees within the ba? >> yes, i do. >> laura: okay, well, the trump-hitting press, of course, all day long, or laughing this all up. >> playing off the tag line from "apprentice" ," the words "you'e fired," not so much. >> blistering op-ed in "the new york times" saying how difficult it was to do his job in this administration. >> this is a white house in crisis, and crisis might work and chaos might work when it comes to reality shows, campaigning, when it comes to governing, not so much.
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tweet me, keep it nice. keep it grammatical, i don't know. shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team are up next with a fantastic show as always. shannon, take it away it away. >> shannon: thank you so much, laura. we jump into high gear when we got that letter from attorney general jeff sessions to congress. republican peter king and so is former congressman jason chaffetz. he talked with the u.s. attorney sessions, appointed in lieu of the special counsel. so much news tonight. let's get you up to speed. attorney general jeff sessions says he will not immediately appointed as special counsel. to investigate alleged bias against the trump administration at the fbi and justice department. despite intense pressure from congressional republicans, clarifying a movie you heard about here first. sessions is directing a senior federal prosecutor, utah's u.s. attorney john uber, to evaluate certain issues including whether such an appointment is even necessary. his review is ongoing and sessio
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