>> jon: thanks for being with us on this friday. >> julie: have a great weekend weekend, "outnumbered" starts right now. >> sandra: the united states not backing down after russia retaliates over an explosion this is "outnumbered," i'm sandra smith. here today, lisa boothe, coanchor of "after the bell" melissa francis, democratic strategist on fox news contributor jessica tarlov, and joining us on the couch today, david webb is here and he is "outnumbered." as far as i can tell you are ready to roll.

>> david: i'm ready to go. i didn't learn my russian today. >> jessica: melissa disapproves. >> sandra: happy friday, let's get going. new followed over the response of , yesterday russia heading back hard. expelling diplomats, closing the american consulate in st. petersburg, here's the u.s. response. the state department spokesperson. >> i want to remind you that there is no justification for the russian actions. our actions were motivated purely by the attack on the united kingdom. we reserve the right further to any russian retaliation against the united states.

>> russia is choosing to further diplomatically and economically isolate itself, not just from the united states but from the world. russia should not be acting like a victim. the only victim in this situation are the victims in the hospital in the u.k. right now. >> sandra: here's the russian ambassador to the u.s., watch. >> if anybody slapped your face, but would be the reaction? you will retaliate. it goes without saying. i have thought a lot about the situation, i'm not sure everybody will like what i will say. the strategy, it seems to me it is poison. it's a toxic atmosphere.

>> sandra: tensions clearly rising between the u.s. and russia. earlier this month, vladimir putin claiming he has control of nuclear weapons capable of evading u.s. missile defense systems, then reportedly president trump warned him during a phone call that if the countries were too engaged in an arms race, the u.s. would win. melissa? >> melissa: it's interesting that he used the word poison and repeated the word poison over again, is there some irony in that after what happened with the chemical agent? i like when heather said they can't be acting like the victim here, they're trying to turn it into a situation where they are the victim. things have really escalated and it's amazing when you think back to this is not the country that we put at the list of our most dominant threat, because that is the case. what is the message that president trump is sending here?

>> david: the message is stronger from us because obviously other countries have come on board with us against russia. but we are overstating a little bit what happened with russia's expulsion. they didn't close anything close to the ground. they close to the consulate in st. petersburg, think about who they expelled. we have an overblown state department presents over there to begin with, so depending on the personnel that were expelled, and the people i've talked talked to about the may not have much of a loss there so russia is really playing a game of trying to play the victim when the rest of the world already knows. he's playing to the home audience because that's his job right now. >> sandra: the state department as you heard, they are warning of further diplomatic action on our part. >> jessica: i expect we will see that and there will be the tit for tat going back and forth. even closing the amnesty in seattle, all that really does is hurt the russian-american communities who now have to come

to the east coast to get anything done at an embassy. if we wanted to close the russian embassy in d.c. or new york that would send a much stronger signal. closing st. petersburg versus closing moscow makes a difference here. it will be interesting to see if the administration he'd what people are advocating for, people who obviously know the russian system well, increase sanctions, financial sanctions against people in vladimir putin's inner circle and that's really the way to hit them hard. >> david: what's actually been going on, not just the expulsions, our economy is surging. energy markets around the world, that's affected russia. they lost one of their economic weapons. they broke the soviet union by breaking their economy. you don't close the embassy because you still need to have those talks. you close the one that is a potential threat, you don't close the main one. >> lisa: all we've been

hearing about his president trump needs to get tougher on russia and now everyone is like "things are escalating with russia." what did you think was going to happen? the administration knew there would be retaliation when we took these actions. the best thing president trump ever did for foreign policy in this country was when he immediately took office, the 59 tomahawk missiles to syria, dropped the mother of all bombs on isis. what he did was send a clear and strong message right from the beginning that the united states will no longer be messed with and this is a different administration and the obama administration. >> david: the left which has been calling for ramped up fight, guess what? you got it. you have your fight. that's just what i asked the left, jessica. >> jessica: i'm sitting right to your left. you have a lot of people who are avowedly against the trump agenda on cable news writing off

ads praising these actions and saying we are on the same page. there are people on cnn doing i it. >> lisa: president trump has a track record of being trump on russia, whether it will increase sanctions, whether it's illegal arms sales to ukraine, using energy exports as a geopolitical tool, president trump has a history of being tough on russia, democrats have intentionally ignored it. >> sandra: amid the soaring tensions with the west, russia release this video of an icbm test. it is dubbed the saigon 2 and is reportedly capable of carrying 15 nuclear warheads. bragged that it has almost no range restriction and called it nearly invincible to missile defense systems.

>> david: look. hypersonic weapons, we are in the next stage right now. frankly, i have to make it a little bit tongue-in-cheek on this, fine, he's going to sell these to the middle east, that's what he's going to do. if he has the opportunity, arms sales are his biggest export in many ways and that's what he will do. they've got to be targeted and we don't know what it is yet. >> melissa: we've been testing our weapons as well. it feels like an arms race. when you read out the most recent call, talking about this latest budget, i agree with you about the closure of the embassy. the one that was closed in seattle was very strategic. it was scary that we ever allow them to have an embassy there. it that close to that naval

base, bowing right there. >> jessica: i understand that argument, i read a number of pieces from people talking about the millions of russians americans, people who fled to america for a better life that are on the west coast now have to come to the east coast. there is no other embassy there. >> david: there are not large russian communities in the northwest. >> jessica: over the entire western seaboard. i am just adding that it is what is going on here. >> david: these are done electronically, they are done by mail. whether you're going to afghanistan or somewhere else, you don't always have to have it there unless it's an emergency. >> lisa: i think the key difference between where we are now with countries like russia and north korea and the previous administration's these countries know we mean it. we are not going to take this and there will be retaliation

and i think that's the difference. it's an important difference because it's going to make russia and north korea in the back of them i know the united states will not be messed with. you get last word, lisa. >> lisa: hillary clinton, the gift that just keeps on giving. likely to republicans anyway, after a string of comments criticized by the leader of her own party, she is at it again. her latest comment on sexism and who is cringing. the president bringing it on over one of his biggest campaign promises. questions about how he will pay for that southern border wall. we will debate that next. >> were getting that build, do you think that's easy? hello, i'm an idaho potato farmer. you've probably seen me running all over the country in search of our big idaho potato truck.

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>> melissa: new reaction to a fired up president trump in ohio yesterday. vowing to keep his campaign promises along our southern border. after reports of the president considering using money from the pentagon budget to pay for the wall. here is the president.

>> we are getting that sucker build, do you think that's easy? i never give up. look at korea. we have a border. we have a wall. we don't get paid very much. you look at that. our own border, we don't take care of it. we spend billions of dollars in other countries maintaining their borders. and we can to maintain our borders and our own? 's are something a little bit wrong with that? >> melissa: 400 sheriffs in 41 states are demanding congress build the border wall. they say without tougher immigration enforcement americans will continue to be the victims of crime. listen. >> lisa: i don't know if the wall is going to get built, here

is the reason. the democratic party are not going to want to give them this win. and i think that is the basis of not wanting to support the wall funding. >> melissa: i think he's going to figure out a way. the thing is, with this tariff, which we already know he loves, he can make them do it pretty easily. slap a tariff on mexico, they are paying for it. >> sandra: this was the campaign promise of campaign promises. >> david: he will have to take on some republicans in washington but there are discretionary dollars. when you look at national security as an issue, you talk about this wall. i've got to give them credit. using the dmz, we work to maintain in different forms, it's a good way to put it. they are talking someone from

coming through. he has the opportunity and a growth dollars, liquidated when it came to other issues. the president is the executive and the executive does have some discretion. >> lisa: in regard to dealing with congress, it will be tough. immigration has become the cornerstone of the resistance for the democratic party. the wall is symbolic of that, i think they are going to try to deny the wall to president trump. how much do you think politics has to do with the democrats reluctance to support the wall? >> jessica: it's a huge aspect of it, i think politics inform everything that every politician does nowadays. there are republicans who are resistant to the wall as well. it's definitely a political football right now, certainly a

rally cry of the resistance, i think there are good reasons against it anyway that are not rooted in just opposing president trump, we have a net outflow of immigrants. >> david: building a barrier to someone crossing your border illegally with either human beings, illegal drugs, or weapons. >> jessica: i've said this, we've talked about this many times, what it actually -- i think everyone on both sides of the aisle need to think back to what they thought of the gang of eight bill and people who were supportive of bipartisan bills need to get back to that. >> david: here's what gets lost in this. the border wall -- >> jessica: mexico and north korea are different.

>> david: the point is a barrier system, whether you use electronic or physical or subterranean, tell me a case where wall doesn't work where it's needed. you can't. >> lisa: i don't know what changed from 2006 when you have people like senator dianne feinstein, chuck schumer, president obama, hillary clinton, joe biden also ported a physical barrier. what is changed between then and now and why democrats no longer support that? >> jessica: politics. it's what i led with. >> melissa: 400 sheriffs in 40 states are asking congress, please build this wall. >> jessica: there are a lot of representatives who say this isn't the most effective way to secure the border. i am completely -- do they have another solution? yes, they do. solutions that are more focused on border security and other --

>> melissa: that's why he shifted to a wall system because it's very hard to argue against. a border wall system, in reality we all knew that's what we were talking about the entire time. it is something that makes sense and is very hard to argue against. the political part of it, talking about more security, talking about drugs, talking about border regions. >> david: immigration judges. >> jessica: if you throw the dreamers into the equation, there are so many hard-line immigration acts on the democratic side who say do it. >> melissa: he offered to give amnesty to three times as many dreamers as president obama. >> jessica: he did not accept the bipartisan deal, he came back with his own deal. if he cared about dreamers, he would've taken that deal. >> david: democrats lied about

this issue. why they didn't pass the wall or do what dianne feinstein said, they knew it would never happen so they played to it. >> melissa: that was fun. president trump now threatening to use the new trade deal with south korea as leverage for the negotiations of north korea. plus jeff sessions denying at least for now, g.o.p. requests for a special counsel to probe alleged abuse in the fbi, including their handling of investigations into hillary clinton. what else the ag is doing and whether it will get answers to so many questions. >> he left the door open for second special counsel and i continue to believe that is necessary. your brain changes as you get older. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory.

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>> lisa: the white house weighing in after jeff sessions announces he will not appoint a second special counsel at this time. this after calls for an independent investigator to look into allegations of fbi and doj bias and misconduct in the surveillance of a former trump advisor. and into the handling of a clinton email investigation. he tasked to u.s. attorney john huber to evaluate the issue before determining if a spec second special counsel is neede. the move comes after g.o.p. lawmakers voiced concern that the doj inspector general may not be able to prosecute individuals in the investigation. kellyanne conway welcomes sessions decision, watch. >> having this prosecutor take us a fresh look at everything we could know is a positive development. i respect the attorney general's decision but i have faith that this will be handled in a way that more information will be

forthcoming, we expect to the 25,000 rank-and-file women in the fbi but there's very little doubt that shenanigans and untoward conduct was being had in a way that rises to the level of needing investigation. >> lisa: house judiciary committee chairman is still holding out hope for a special counsel. >> he's left the door open for a second special counsel. i continue to believe that is necessary. the attorney general in his letter to me yesterday and made it clear that a special counsel is still a possibility. >> lisa: you said there are a lot of important points here in the right needs to get it right, what do they need to get right? speak of the inspector general does not have the law enforcement power of someone who is already left the bureau. when it comes to a federal prosecutor who can impanel a grand jury or subpoena power, if

you go to a special counsel you get a wider investigation. it goes beyond its scope, way outside its scope. let's take this step, if they find something actionable and chargeable, that federal prosecutor can do that. if this doesn't work the special counsel is still open. >> lisa: the doj, they can't investigate themselves, that's the issue there. what do you make of that? >> melissa: it's hard to say, ultimately how do you investigate your boss which is the comparison everybody is making, i think the part of this that's most interesting to me is that looking at financial documents, i have always been outraged by the clinton

foundation as such a tremendous slush fund. the evidence is overwhelming. in my opinion, it's never gotten the investigation it needed. you had people making donations, they basically used it to keep their political machine alive when they were out of office, taking money while she was in the state department. not even talking about any specific deal, it's not even that. it's overall apparatus, now that they're out of office the whole thing is shut down. it's outrageous. >> jessica: there have has been ample time investigating the clinton foundation. they have been and a rating. >> melissa: financing other people who go out into the work.

>> jessica: i thought jeff sessions seems to be by the definition of why you would need a second special counsel, to be acting very responsibly, he said you only knew that under extraordinary circumstances. he takes it seriously which is why he appointed. >> lisa: do you also think he is providing political cover huber is because a obama appointee? >> sandra: he was reappointed by jeff jeff sessions. does that give the attorney general covert to take action? >> jessica: with jeff sessions having recused himself from the russia investigation, which i know aggravates a lot of people on the right including president trump himself, he is genuinely trying to do is best in this circumstance to appear

to be fair about it but leave the door open to say it is possible. >> lisa: he sounded surprisingly optimistic in that his concerns were eased at least for now. he was pleased that jeff sessions did not close the door to a second special counsel. john huber has a reputation that they all seem to appreciate and respect. >> david: look for the evidence, there is so much evidence of what the clinton foundation is, for example. it is a pass-through slush fund. there is the potential for financial crimes as well in there. there's a lot of potential, if this investigator, this prosecutor finds that, he has chargeable, actionable evidence. he can work with that, if not we have the special counsel. we can't just rush to the end and start another two-year special counsel, if we need

that, let's get to it. >> sandra: president trump says he may delay the rollout of a new trade deal with south korea. the white house announcing the principal trade deal with the south earlier this month, marking the administration's first major victory on the president's promise to revamp international trade. the president now saying he may use it as leverage. >> i may hold it up until after a deal is made with north korea. does everybody understand that? you know why, right? you know why. because it's a very strong card and i want to make sure everyone is treated fairly and we are moving along very nicely with north korea. we will see how it all turns out, maybe it will be good, maybe it won't. if it's no good were walking, if it's good we will embrace it.

>> sandra: this of course coming after the president accepted an offer to meet with kim jong un in person. the white house not yet getting any firm details on that, it's going to be huge news when we get it. one, where, all those kinds of things. is this a good strategy by the president? he says it could give him leverage. >> david: it could give him leverage. we don't know what happens in this trip to beijing, the first trip by kim jong un. out of that we have to see what the actions are by china. there's a big chess game going on here and were looking a little bit too closely for an out, when this will take steps. some things are processed, diplomatic trade deals, he's leaving it as leverage buddies also put a few things in place that south korea seems to respond to with their auto industry and that matters to their economy.

it is a good leverage point. >> lisa: the president is all about leverage, i think that's primarily what the recent tariffs are about as well. he left the door open for mexico and canada while renegotiating nafta. same thing with china. there is a former bush advisor who said this is the most he's ever seen china willing to negotiate like this. i think what president trump does, he lays down these markers and the intention is to draw closer to where he is and where he wants them to be on the issu issue. >> jessica: i think that is what he wants to be happening. there is a question, what a precarious position south korea is in right now. they are one of our strongest allies and they have been amenable to renegotiations of these trade deals that have become more favorable for the u.s. they certainly have moved in the direction of president trump. i'm a little bit concerned about the idea that you go to a rally

in ohio, you're supposed to be talking about one thing and they say maybe actually i'm going to make south korea have to do something to get this trade deal signed, when you're talking about a dictator with nuclear weapons who is completely unhinged. this isn't like i want something out of south korea, you're talking about forcing them to do something. >> melissa: i think they have a reputation of caving way too early. you need to stay with what we can doing. history indicates that every time, i don't blame them for being hopeful, they are the ones i go back the most quickly. they need to stay tough. as far as going off page, this is what he does. when somebody is in a room negotiating something, he's out. he said something that sounds

like a molotov cocktail being thrown somewhere, he's helping the people in the room. he saying if you're not listening to the person in the room negotiating, i am going to be much tougher than you. >> david: he's not necessarily going off script. you don't know that he doesn't have a script, nobody actually does, to be fair. the point about south korea, look about the culture and the government. president moon has been more soft. they've been under this umbrella for 50 years. the umbrella hasn't changed, the nuclear portion has gotten more dangerous. there is a cultural issue there where the koreans, not the leadership, would like reunification. think about how they were separated. >> jessica: a clear push for reunification. >> david: reunification has to happen. >> jessica: that's not caving

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spotlight. she was asked to respond to critics who told her to "shut up and get off the public stage." >> i was struck by how people said that to me, mostly people in the press. for whatever reason, go away, go away. i had one of the young people who works for me go back and do a bit of research, they never said that any man who was not elected. i am really glad al gore did not stop it talking about climate change and i'm glad that john kerry went to the senate and became an excellent secretary of state and i'm glad john mccain kept speaking out and standing up and saying what he had to say. >> jessica: several democratic senators distanced themselves from clinton after she made comments about president trump earlier this month.

>> windows hillary clinton right off into the sunset? >> i don't know. >> what's the answer? >> not soon enough. >> jessica: white house counsel or kellyanne conway's reaction to the! all? >> she's wrong comparing yourself to those male candidates, lost presidential elections as well, they were much more gracious about it. this whole woe is me, i'm a victim of sexism and misogyny because of the election, white women listening to their husbands and sons to get their political views, the fact is hillary clinton is still talking about her in an election that happened a year and a half ago. >> jessica: i think i already know what you all think about this.

what do you think about all of this? do you think hillary clinton should just go away? >> lisa: no, she's good for the republican party. of course you have done a democratic senators who are running in red states that president trump won handily. you've got ten democrat senators running for reelection in states that president trump won. five he won by double digits. there was a poll recently showing that five of these democratic senators lose against a republican, in some instances it was a generic republican. i really do think, these folks know they are in trouble. of course they want her to go away because she continues to speak ill in such a derogatory way of these voters who they need on their side and they want

to win in the election. >> jessica: claire mccaskill is in the toughest election across the nation, what do you think of the argument she made that no one tells men to go away? we have met romney, joe biden, bernie sanders. these are all -- >> melissa: i am concerned about her mental health. when she says people are being sexist against her and i still haven't recovered from her saying "as a married white woman i have vote what son and husband and father are pressuring me to do, she is being sexist against a giant group of women and she doesn't even see it. i think she has actually lost her mind. >> david: her proposition is that women can't think for themselves. >> melissa: it sexist that

you're telling me i can't make up my own mind. >> lisa: jessica, we haven't really heard you respond, do you wish hillary clinton would go away quietly? as a member of the democratic party, do you think she is an asset to your party? >> i think she needs to be used in very specific circumstances and i don't think that making statements all the deplorable's, even with the explanation, she also explained the numerous studies backing up claims of how women vote based upon -- that's what she used. >> david: i'm a black man sitting on the couch, there was a time when if you were black you were supposed to vote democrat. i have made up my own mind since i was 18 years old, what i believe in one, what i choose, you expect me to sit here and

listen to this drivel of hillary clinton saying women can't make up their own minds? >> melissa: you're going to double down on that? >> lisa: let jessica get in here. >> jessica: on the moderate here. >> david: asked hillary clinton -- >> lisa: jessica, come back in, i am moderating the discussion. >> jessica: were almost at a time. i believe, we talked about it on "america's newsroom." i would never say something like that about how women make their decisions. i am explaining to you how she defended it and the studies she cited were from legitimate academics. it's not like she just woke up and said it. >> david: we vote individually when we go into that booth and now we are supposed to take a

study -- it's garbage. it is drivel from hillary clinton. >> lisa: david, let her talk. >> jessica: how do you explain the fact that you think the republican party is better for african-americans, why had they have gone into those booths for decades and voted democrat? >> david: i can give you a number of reasons. >> jessica: because their family votes that way? >> david: it's not force voting in america, that is the end of the story. >> lisa: we've got to get going. >> jessica: okay. facebook ceo mark zuckerberg gets ready to testify on capitol hill, and embarrassing company memo is leaked. wyatt could make his time on the hot seat even hotter. ♪ (avo) help control cravings

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♪ >> melissa: you thought it couldn't get any worse for facebook, guess what, it just did. in the midst of the scandal over how facebook allowed a political research firm to mine data from 50 million users without their knowledge, now a shocking memo from 2016 is leaked and published by buzzfeed. have you seen this one? it's bad.

andrew bosworth makes the case that growing the company is more important than preventing terrorists from using the site to plot deadly attacks. "we connect people, period. that's why all the work we do is justified." although subtle language that can be bad if they make it negative, maybe it costs someone a life by exposing someone to bullies, maybe someone dies in a terrorist attack coordinated on our tool. mark zuckerberg is standing by bosworth, while distancing himself from the memo, saying in a statement, "he is a talented leader who says many provocative things, this is one that most people at facebook disagreed with strongly. we've never believed of the ends justify the means. the memo was simply meant to encourage debate.

>> melissa: a lot of people were mad that the memo was leaked, not at what the memo said. >> sandra: we are learning a lot about facebook and mark zuckerberg. this revelation, the memo coming out on the day that the market is, the fears that it has sunk the stock, because the down dro drop, caused him to take full page newspaper ad, the apology tour. this is the ceo, founder of the company, you didn't hear much from him. we've been covering him for years, he didn't speak very often. he is on the hot seat and it's not going away. >> melissa: i think now we know why, he's not very good at stuff like this and getting the message out. the point of facebook, the whole thing they monetize on the whole thing we learned when they do earnings calls is that their goal is to keep you on the side as long as they can because while you're there, you are team

and they are listening to everything you say and learning stuff about you they can lure you there and keep you there longer so they can mine your data as well you're there. and sell it and use it. it's really something. >> lisa: i'm surprise that everyone is so surprised about this because this is something we all knew. if you are not paying for a product, you are the product. i bet facebook is regretting the fact that they have been caught up in the trump orbit because when the obama campaign did something so similar in 2012 they were lauded as geniuses, there was an article talking about how hillary clinton used the same sort of tool to extract data. facebook didn't comment on it. >> melissa: i don't want to talk about the politics of this. they are saying people will die as a result of our site and

that's okay because we are about connecting people no matter what the outcome is. people that kill themselves because of bullies. >> david: facebook is in the business of gathering -- >> sandra: we've got to leave it there. good discussion, guys. more "outnumbered" in just a moment, we will be right back. kim jong-un.

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