that's it for tonight. be sure to follow me on facebook, twitter and instagram and remember, i'm watters and this is hide world. [♪] katie: welcome to justice. i'm katie pavlich filling in for judge jeanine pirro. on this holy saturday, judge jeanine takes us on a tour of the museum of the bible. but let's begin with attorney general jeff sessions announcing a federal prosecutor is looking into alleged fisa abuses by the fbi. but some congressmen say it's still not enough.

congressman ron desantis, ways your reaction to attorney general jeff sessions saying he's going to allow the u.s. attorney of utah john huber to look into this first then take his recommendation on whether a special counsel is needed? >> it is a step in the right direction of where he was a few weeks ago. he said i appointed the inspector general the look at it, he's a fine guy, but he doesn't have any prosecutorial authority. the fact that you have a prosecutor outside the beltway is a step in the right direction. there was a special prosecutor appointed to pursue president trump when there was no evidence of a criminal violation involving trump's campaign and russia. in this instance we have a lot of evidence there were statutes that may have been violated.

false statements made to congress. you have potential obstructing congressional investigation. you have all of those things, and clearly the justice department has a conflict because they can't investigate themselves. so to me it seems the case for a special counsel is much stronger than it was when rosenstein appointed robert mueller. katie: the inspector general is very respected for the work he has done. but here is congressman bob goodlatte's response. >> we think this should be an investigation outside of the department of justice all together. is why we continue to call for a special counsel. katie: a lot of people don't know the inspector general has a lot of power to unveil a lot of the wrongdoing, but he can only

remedies reply nary action. he can't prosecute the crimes that may or may not have been committed. explain to the viewers the jurisdiction the inspector general has and why the doj might not be able to investigate themselves. >> the inspector general is not a prosecutor. so if you identify a criminal violation, he can't get a grand jury indictment or get a subpoena or bring in witness outside the department of justice or fbi and question them. it's more of a bureaucratic function to see what the department can do better. when you have evidence of wrongdoing, that calls for someone with prosecutorial authority. look at the news of the andrew mccabe lying four times to other agents and the inspector

general. papadopoulos one supposed false statement. the favre american, if they lie to the fbi, they get indicted. but if the deputy director if he lies four times he just go to the inspector general and that's it? we need equal justice that applies to the average american and people in high levels of authority. katie: have you seen the inspector general report that he has been working on looking into how the fbi handled, including a former deputy director of the fbi andrew mccabe. have you seen that? ka what kind of -- what kind of insight can you give us? >> this has been going on 15 months now. i think this thing needs to be brought in for a landing. i think there will be a lot of problems uncovered. this investigation into hillary

was badly mishandled from the start. there have been a lot of guys like me saying why aren't more heads rolling in the fbi for some of the conduct we have seen. i think part of the reason is people like sessions and christopher wray have been waiting for this i.g. report. > katie: i think that's the key question. people see these reports and are waiting for congress to bring some accountability. the frustration is we see all this information all the time yet people keep getting away with it. >> there needs to be two tracks. the i.g. report can provide the basis to terminate people like peter strzok, his text messaging. but the prosecutor, hopefully that will evolve into a special counsel. that individual can address criminal violations. hopefully some of these people who misbehave will be terminated

and be out of the government. but you need a special counsel to follow through for criminal liability that is uncovered. katie: switching gears, president trump gave a speech will infrastructure. he's going to congress to push through a $1.5 trillion plan. what else your view from capitol hill on whether that will get done before the mid-telephones. >> the most of important thing he identified is cutting the breweriate i and -- cutting the bureaucracy and red tape. so the dollar signs to me i think will be debated. but if he's streamlining the way forward for infrastructure, even the existing dollars we have now will be put to good use, and you will see a big improvement. katie: congressman ron desantis,

thanks for your time. senior advisor for the trump 2020 campaign, katrina pierson. i want to start with you and your reaction to attorney general jeff sessions punting this off saying this guy is removed from the justice department because he's in a faraway state. >> i have to echo congressman desantis. it makes sense to find somebody outside of d.c. to investigate. but my issue is the standard. where was the standard when the special counsel was appointed to go after the president and his family. this is a complete and absurd atrocity. jeff sessions should have appointed a special counsel to investigate this. jeff sessions reconciled with american citizens who were

targeted by obama's irs. what is he trying to confirm? is he waiting on a confession? it doesn't make any sense. it's going to take a lot more time. in the meantime robert mueller is running all over the place. they won't even narrow his scope. neither you or i or any of the viewers of tonight's program could get away with deleting 30,000 emails after receiving a subpoena and still be walking around. katie: david, you agree it should be investigated for another reason. but doesn't the fbi have a credibility problem with the country as a whole and wouldn't a special prosecutor clean some of that up? >> i think what your audience would wants is for to us follow the rule of law whether democrat or republican to make sure these investigations go forward properly and there are impartial

decision makers in charge of these investigations. katrina is confused about the standard. if there is a conflict of interest or extraordinary circumstances. neither of those are in place. so sessions made the right place. what happened with mueller is very different. the reason we have a special counsel with mueller is trump fired i'm. when he fired comey that slowed was a conflict of interest. trump said a week later on nbc he fired comey because -- let me finish. the reason that we know that there was conflict of interest is trump went on nbc and said i fired comey because of the russia investigation. that's a true conflict of interest and that's how weenlded up with a special counsel. sessions decided not to have a special counsel there will be is

no such concern. there is a u.s. attorney in utah who will follow the rules and follow the laws and he doesn't have a conflict of interest. >> the problem is about evidence. the standard is about evidence from general sessions' mut -- mh itself. there is zero evidence of collusion. when you take loretta lynch sitting on the tarmac with bill clinton. you have hundreds of americans unmasked by the obama administration. and these new texts between strzok and page, quote the white house is leading on this. the house intelligence committee already uncovered fisa abuse. this your conflict. it is a farce and a witch hunt exactly like the president

stated. katie: i think people outside the beltway are concerned about this happening to them. i want to switch gears to president trump's infrastructure speech. katrina, you are work on his 2020 campaign. he talked in front of 400 union members in ohio. should that concern democrats when they are trying to get back those districts and counties president trump turned from blue to red? >> absolutely. we'll let the democrats run on taking away their bonuses. in the meantime the president is making america great again. it's expanding financing for a lot of these projects. public-private partnerships in place that i would hope would make states more accountable so they could better suit their

citizens as well. i think it will be exciting over the summer. katie: infrastructure is usually a democrat issue. is this something the president will be able to work with democrats on? >> it should be a bipartisan issue. i'm from ohio. we are glad the president went to ohio. the president gave a speech there. he was supposed to talk about infrastructure. but he pretty much talked about himself, his favorite subject. the pro trump people were probably happy to hear that speech. but if you were look for details of the infrastructure program, they were not in that speech. katie: he gave four distinct points on how he wants to implement it. but that's for another time. judge jeanine gave us a tour of the bible museum on this holy

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president trump: this week we secured a wonderful deal with south korea. we had a deal that was a horror show. it was going to produce 200,000 jobs. and it did, for them. that was a hillary clinton special. she said it would produce 200,000 jobs, and she was right. but it was for them, not for us. katie: that was president trump giving a strong speech this week with a major focus on north and south korea. joining us with reaction, author of "defeating jihad," dr. sebastian gorka. we'll start with the news of russia, 60 russian diplomats expelled from the united states. what's your reaction to that? >> i'm very happy. we are coming together as a

western alliance to take on russia. according to some estimates there are more russian intelligence officers actively working in the west than there were at the height of the cold war. and they are destabilizing countries like the ukraine or the mirror abrofd russia or assassinating people on the streets of the u.k. we have to respond. katie: administration officials have been saying these diplomats in the united states aren't actually russian diplomats, they are spies under a diplomatic flag. how is it they have been operating pass spies as an intelligence network in the united states for so long and it look this long with the russians

boy poisoning a british spy in the u.k. >> in their he bassy they can be work economics, politics, but every nation deploys intelligence professionals to their embassies. in some cases they are declared. in some cases you have a chief of station. but in the case of russia they pack their embassies full of advisors and economists who have nothing to do with those jobs. they are intelligence collectors, they are members of the kgb's new organization. katie: the united states flag in st. petersburg today in russia came down. russia has respond in terms of reciprocity. but it seems that that could be distraction. the expelling of diplomats makes

a statement. but should we be worried about real attacks russia could be launching in cyber war. the russians i til trade our energy sector, parts of the energy grid in america. this an important show of force. but should we paying attention of other damages aspects. >> whether it's in cyber domain, i'm more concerned in terms of information warfare, psychological information. it was russian propaganda that went i toll steele dossier that hillary clinton paid for that was used to obtain the fisa warrant. that's the kind of thing we have to respond to as well. katie: the president said he wants to take the united states out of syria soon, given wrush

has a lot of influence there. >> i work for the president, the president is not an adventurist. he's a conservative. he's a gop president. doesn't mean's a neoconservative. he sees the invasion of other people's countries as fundamentally you be american. we were born as a nation in rebellion to colonialism. he wants our troops out of syria because he wants to do things back home in katie master sergeant john dunbar was killed there this week. what should we expect from the meeting between kim jong-un and the south korean president.

where are we on all that. >> this is a dictatorship. this is more stall lynnist than even the height of stollin's soviet union. what do dictatorships do? they lie, whether it's hitler in munich. let's remember what reagan said, trust but theirify. this is the first time in 65 years, a north korean head of state wants to meet an american president. but don't expect it to go completely smoothly. katie: next, a special treat. judge jeanine takes you inside the beautiful museum of the bible in our nation's capital.

reporter: more than a hundred protesters rallied in sacramento today. clark was unarmed when he was shot. police say they mistook a cell phone for a gun. yoautopsy results find was shot8 times and six of the shots were in his back. pope francis delivering his easter vigil message. he urged people to not be silent from the face of injustices. he baptized 8 people, one of them a nigerian beggar. he became a hero in italy for disarming a robber while standing outside a market begging for spare change. now back to "justice with judge

jeanine." katie: the museum of the bible is a spiritual and powerful place to visit in washington, d.c. what better time to take a look back at jeanine pirro's under view with steve green from the hobly lobby museum. judge jeanine: you have undertaken this mammoth project, 430,000 square feet, the museum of the bible here in washington, d.c. there is nothing like it anywhere in the world. why? >> i grew up in a hope that had a love for god's word. i group if a christian home. my parents took us to church and raids our family according to the bible. and it has served us well.

i'm blessed to be born in a country that our founders built on principles they found in this book. i have been blessed by this book in multiple ways. we wanted to encourage others to consider this book as well. we wanted to inspire them to engage with it. judge jeanine: they say 90% of american homes have within them a bible. yet it seems this generation unlike previous generations has never been more distanced from the bible. why do you think that is? >> we are probably more ignorant of this book than we have been as a nation. we don't teach it in our schools as we once did. it was regularly taught in our schools so people grew up knowing it. our founders would speak from the bible and they wouldn't have to give chapter and verse because everybody knew what they were talking about.

today you make a quote from the bible and many people have no idea what the source. even common phrases in our vernacular come from the bible. judge jeanine: you have created technology to tell the story, technology that didn't exist, you created it and patented it. >> one specific example. there is a digital docent. a tablet where a visitor can custom mice it -- can customize it, and it will direct them through the museum using indoor guidance that knows where they are within inches. judge jeanine: downstairs, five doors, how much do they weigh? >> 16 tons collectively.

judge jeanine: how do you deliver 16 tons of doors? >> one piece at a time. >> it's amazing how much of our american history reflects quote s from the bible. >> we are just a few blocks from the united states capitol. judge jeanine: what is written in the united states capitol is found in the bible. >> there is a geneva bible in the painting. this is where we have scripture around us all day long and in many cases we don't even know it. phrases from our language that are used. judge jeanine: here you have victoria beckham with a tattoo that literally quotes the song of solomon that the bible is so relevant to so many people in so many ways we don't even

recognize. one of the things you have done that speaks to how religion plays such an important part of your life is as a not for profit business owner of hobby lobby, you took the obama administration to the united states supreme court. you fought for religious freedom. you funded the case. the obama administration made a mandate that religion be damned and you would have to pay for abortaffacts for any employee in your employ. you felt that was a violation of your religious freedom. why? and how did it feel when you won? >> if life begins at conception as our family believes. to take part in an abortive drug or process, we view that as

taking life. that is something that violates our religious beliefs. there are many in this country that believe the same way we do that taking life is obviously in our mind wrong. so for the government to come in and tell us we had to freely provide to our employees products that could take life, that violated our conscience and we felt we had no option but to challenge the government on the mandate they required to us take part of that. we met as a family. the decision was unanimous. we felt like we had no option but to challenge the government that we love on the mandate they put on our business. judge jeanine: when you won? >> it was an exciting day. for many of us, we somewhat felt like we would have a win, but there is no guarantee. there was a certain comfort that we had that we knew we were doing the right thing.

and we were at oxford, my wife and i. the rest of the family was at our corporate offices in oklahoma city, we were sciepg in, and it was a thrilling day to know the foundational principle this nation was built upon, our religious freedoms were upheld. and just the pride of our country i remember some of the feelings i had. this section is called bible now. another app showing how people are opening up the app to engage with the bible. the skeptic comes in and thinks nobody is engaging with this book any more. but people are engaging with this book all over the world. >> we want to invite all people to engage with this book. this book has spoken into people from all different walks of life and has impacted lives from all

different walks. so this is a place for people to come in and learn. judge jeanine: steven green, on behalf of so many of us, you and mrs. green, your wife jackie, have done an unbelievable job here. katie, president trump's latest tweets target amazon. we'll see a bored wall. right? when will that happen? "justice" rolls on in just a moment.

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katie where welcome back to "justice." our panel is here ready to battle it out. charlie kirk and wendy, thank you for joining me tonight. charlie, last week president trump gave a speech to arousedy crowd of 4 -- a rowdy crowd of 400 workers talking about building a wall. >> we need to build the wall. it will be a symbol of our sovereignty which we have been

losing the last couple decades. and you look at the cost of illegal immigration. heroin comes across the southern border, kids are human extra figured across the southern border. in arizona an illegal immigrant is twice as likely to commit a crime. the cost on the american taxpayer. it's a small price to pay for the way illegal immigration has been ruining our country. katie: the they are choosing the prototype they want to use. they are building the wall in places that need to be taken back and refurbished. the people in charge of border

patrol say this isn't politicians, this is guys on the ground saying in these specific areas we need the wall to keep out human traffickers and drug cartels from hurting americans at home. >> if we want to keep our country safe, that's something we can do. but look at the wall, out of the 697 miles that can be fenced, 654 are already fenced. we are look at individuals who have lapsed visas. they are not necessarily criminals. we can't say immigrants are hurting our country. katie: no one said that. >> we have 40,000 illegal

immigrants in our prison systems. an illegal immigrant is twice as likely to commit a crime over a natural u.s. citizen. we are americans, we get big things done. if we had a zero tolerance program. we would execute that. we allowed illegal immigrants to under cut our country and it's destabilizing us all across america. i don't think we should stand for it anymore. it's a key campaign promise the president ran on and he's going to fulfill. >> charlie, that's intellectually dishonest. for you to state the figures of the illegal immigrants in the american prisons. >> there are more americans in

america. >> let's face the facts. it's a campaign promise but it's a flawed campaign promise. the president wants to build this wallaby going into defense spending. we can't take money away from our military just to keep a campaign promise. for to you sit here and make it seem as though illegal immigrants are some type of criminals or to criminalize them, that's intellectually dishonest. katie: according to the federal code it's illegal to enter the country without permission. absolutely they are. so let's be intellectually honest if you are in the country illegally you have already broken the law. as we have seen across the country we have states like california, cities across the country not just protecting i will he'll immigrants and allowing them to evade law

enforcement. but protecting the worst of the worst. violent abusers. what do you have to say about that when we are being told we are intellectually dishonest about who these people are. >> 98% of the heroin and fentanyl comes across the southern border. if we built a wall and secured our borders we could put a stop to that. and ms-13 has wreaked havoc on our country. if you look at statistics they are twice more likely to commit a crime than natural born americans. they committed a crime by coming here in the first place. citizenship is not a right. you don't get to be a citizen

because you crossed the bored. we have to defund these sanctuary cities and strong giving preference to illegal immigrants in sacramento and los angeles because they want to be used as political pawnds by the democratic party. >> what i think is important is we need to secure our borders and make sure americans are safe. but we need to look within our country and see how we can enhance our country. not just saying we are going to preclude a certain population from what's going on in america. katie: we are out of time today. thank you so much for being here. what can the united states do about the persecution of christians around the world? we'll be back in a moment. ♪

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katie: earlier this week judge jeanine sat down to talk about christian persecution around the globe and how we can help. judge jeanine: you are the national president of the association of the clergy created by the vatican.

you have been educated and you studied the priesthood in france and rome and lebanon, the country where you are from. my ethnic background as well. but i am sure you have seen as i have seen, in a 10-year period between 2005 and 2015, more than a million christians slaughtered because they are christians in the middle east and africa. what is happening? >> what's happening is a global genocide against christianity. it's the largest persecuted religion in the world. judge jeanine: why is it happening and who is alowtion it to happen. >> we have four reasons for it to happen in the world. it has been happening for 200 years and a great silence in the world. the west secularism after the french revolution and this i think is the historical reason

behind this. then you have the turkish first world war where you had the genocide against the syriac people. and then the wave of the arab states beginning and creation. the world was in so much transformation and changes. then i have europe, the united states, south asia, between the two great wars and the 20th century. but the main reason for this silence has to do with secularism. the trend in the west that they -- judge jeanine: isn't the united states supposed to be the country that protects people and liberties? we are welcoming all these refugees.

what about christian refugees? >> they are not allowed to come into the country at least under the former administration. we see hope with a new administration our president. this is why i was inclined when i was doing prayers in israel that he understood that message that america is one of the promoters for christians in the world. i pray he'll continue on his promises in this regard. in my brief meetings with the president and religious leaders. the lady of fatima statue i blessed him with it. spiritual diplomacy should be added as one of the platforms. judge jeanine: i don't know what spiritual diplomacy means? we pray for them to stop?

>> i tell you what spiritual diplomacy. simply say the truth. break the silence about the persecution against christians. make sure the world knows christianity is light in this world. don't let oil, money or other values or political intrigues challenge you. that's what i call spiritual diplomacy. it's okay for the president some to stand and say i am a christian, i will stop the murder of christians in the world. i want to allow that faith to flourish. judge jeanine: is the pope doing enough? >> the pope my information says is being informed. definitely he's following up. doing enough? i think he can do more. the pope can do more on the

platform of protecting christians in the world and middle east. but i do believe he's very sincere at heart. judge jeanine: he's the leader of the flock, he should be at the head of the spear. what would you like my viewers to do besides the spiritual diplomacy speaking up, what can they do for christians in the middle east. >> check the missionofhopeandmercy.org it tells you the clear action you need to take in today's world. celebrate easter and make sure you stand up for your values, for your traditional values as an american. the middle east is a place of dialogue and peace. we need to keep christianity as a light in this world. judge jeanine: thank you so much for being with us.

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