come forward with one and that tells you a lot. we've got more videos like this. we will bring them to you in the future weeks. that is about it for us tonight. tune in every night at 8:00 to the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. have a terrific night. sean hannity is next. hey, sean. >> thank you, tucker. welcome to the special edition of "hannity." i'm katie pavlich and for sean. tonight, for the hour, we'll focus on the problem. president trump is trying to fix these repeated failures by pushing forward border balls and stricter immigration laws while liberals are openly defying his administration on the federal government. california of course is leading the way by fully embracing its sanctuary state status post but cracks are starting to show. we will cover all of that later tonight but first, we start with president trump slamming mexico for not doing enough to prevent

caravans of asylum seeking migrants are heading towards american southern border. ed henry has the latest rates because the big picture is that president trump is trying to fire up his political vase, which propelled him to 2016 in large part because of it the fact that he focused so hard on illegal immigration. it's another issue that could come up obviously in the midterms and fire up conservative voters at a time when republicans have an uphill battle. democrats are stopping about all the president tweets about this caravan. in fact, that caravan is giving the president a lot of grip. about 1100 people fleeing central america. they were organized by the pro-migrant rights group people without borders. the name alone shows it's a nonprofit and their agenda is dramatically opposed to this administration. mo started out in honduras then left the southern tip of mexico on about march 25th, traveling over 1,000 miles by foot, boss,

cargo tray, whatever they could get. they first want asylum in mexico but at least some of them want to come to the united states. that drew the president tsai are on eastern eastern sunday. immigration officers are simply monitoring this caravan from afar because of its large size, rather than figuring out who has a valid passport who doesn't. >> mexico has got to help us at the border. if they are not going to help us at the border, it's a very sad thing between two countries. mexico has got to help us at the border. a lot of people are coming in because they want to take advantage of daca. we are going to have to really see. we have a great chance, the democrats blew it where they had a great, great chance but they will have to take a look. mexico has got to help us at the border. they flow right through mexico, they step into the united states. it can't happen that way anymore. speak up a little fact noted that it's misleading to

conflate the caravan with daca, because only people -- we have seen illegal immigrants find ways to get all kinds of other benefits in california and other states, which is what the president sent this series of tweets, including a demand that the republicans kill a filibuster barrier legislations so he can get the wall and other key priorities with just 51 votes, a simple majority. tonight, the president sent these tweets, one saying, "as ridiculous as it sounds, the laws of our country do not easily allow us to send those crossing our southern border back where they came from. a whole big waisted procedure must take place. mexico and canada have tough immigration laws, where is ours are an obama joke. act, congress." he added, "honduras, mexico, other countries, the u.s. is very generous too, since many of their people to our country through our week immigration policy. caravans are heading here, he

said, must pass tough laws and build a wall. democrats allow open borders." democrat dianne feinstein did not take kindly to this today, saying that it's not fair for the president to be blaming democrats for no daca deal. the president saying today that daca is dead. feinstein insists she can support funding funding for tht she said president trump is wrong on daca, you know unilaterally rescinded daca on his rejected every bipartisan proposal that will protect dreamers from deportation. it's simply false to say the democrats walked away from the table. we should not the president also threatened again in the last 24 hours to kill napster, the controversial trade deal, on unless mexico gets tougher with the border. >> katie: joining us with more information, fox news national security strategist sebastian gorka. mark, i want to start with you first. what is this caravan and who are these people coming to our

country? >> they are a group of a thousand or so illegal immigrants mostly from honduras have been organized by a u.s.-based group, san diego-based organization, that basically is an anti-borders group. what we are seeing here is a kind of test or challenge of the administrations willingness to enforce the law. there are two things that i think need to happen. the administration needs to make clear that these people will not get past the border or if they get in, they are not going to get into the interior of the country. if that requires a temp city to be set up on the border, whatever it is, they have to be kept where they are to send the message that this is not going to work. the other thing -- and this is something congress has to do -- as it is now, if you are an illegal immigrant and walk up to our immigration inspector at a border, and say, hi, i want to claim political asylum, we have to take that seriously and let

you in while we do that case. instead, we need the law to change so that anyone who passes through a country that has its own asylum system, like mexico, doesn't really get to apply. they just say, sorry, try mexico, that is where you should have sought refuge, you are supposed to look forward in the first country you are not being persecuted in. >> katie: dr. gorka, this has been framed as asylum seekers coming to america because they feel like they are being persecuted. the group that organized this is called people without borders. obviously, a leftist progressive group trying to make some kind of political statement. can you give us perspective on how this isn't just an immigration or illegal immigration issue, this is a broader, more calm brands of issue for the sovereignty of the country? >> absolutely, katie. absolutely. whether it is crushing ices, whether it's tariffs on aluminum or steel or whether it's the wall, the trump doctrine, make america great again doctrine, is

built on the platform of national sovereignty. this is the most obvious one. i know this will make liberal minded people explode but guess what, no foreign national has a right to come to america. no one does. if we don't have borders, the word america ceases to have meaning. we now know, thanks to the leaked speech that hillary gave during the campaign, that her wish was to have a borderless hemisphere, meaning no borders from canada all the way down to central and south america. in that case, america ceases to exist, but these people -- hillary may have lost but the ideologues, the ideological activists, haven't given up. this is a direct threat to national security because you can't have a porous border and keep americans safe. it doesn't matter whether these people want asylum. that border is there to protect us from drugs, from coyotes,

from illegal weapons. guess what? from terrorists as well. >> katie: markham i want to go back to the point you made about how the law and america is working against us here. it an illegal alien is from mexico or canada, we can send them back but if they are from honduras, el salvador, and other other countries, we have to put them into our court system, which the majority of them do not show up to. how can congress act to change this so we have more control of who comes in and out of the country? >> the difficulty in sending illegal immigrants back who aren't from mexico or canada, obviously mostly from mexico, not not too many canadians sneaking across the border, is that with a mexican, we just take them to the border, the mexican authorities work with us. they do cooperate with us pretty well and we will send them back. anyone beyond that, central america, africa, asia, those people need travel documents, passports, they got to be flown there, a lot of

stuff. a lot of peaceful, countries basically drag their feet or reo take people back. >> katie: but about the fact that coyotes, drug cartels, corrupt members of government, these migrants are passing through on their way to the u.s., are being trained to say that they are seeking asylum because they feel like their lives are endangered. what about changes to the law like the trafficking victims protection act? obviously that law had good intentions as it was implemented in 2008 but now we are seeing it being abused over and over again, for example it was abused in 2014 during the child immigration crisis then. how can congress work today to actually make sure that people can just say they are seeking asylum when there is no background check to prove that they are actually here for that reason? >> there is no way to prevent really. it's not as though somebody persecuting you is going to send you an affidavit saying, yes, i persecuted you. that allow you refer to, the trafficking victims protection act, is for people who are

minors, and who are traffic. it's a jargon term but if you are smuggled, that means you are doing it voluntarily. you pay, your parents paid you to be smuggled. traffic is some kind of coercion or trickery. you are being used for sex slavery or something like that. the obama administration used the law, that as you suggested, is a well-intentioned law, but misused it and said, these people are all being traffic so we will let them all in. that points to a problem that congress can't see and fix every eventuality. it does sort of matter who implements the law. if you have an administration like the obama administration, they will take whatever law, however it's written, and distorted and interpreted anyway they want. >> katie: dr. gorka, congress doesn't want to seem to move on anything when it comes to illegal immigration, criminal aliens. what can the president to in terms of his leverage with mexico? e throughout the idea of nafta

being a negotiating peace, to encourage mexico to help us stop illegal immigration. what do you think he will do going forward to make sure that this is a hot issue and it's a big reason why he won? >> it's not that congress isn't doing anything. half of them are actually making it easier to undermine the national sovereignty. let's look at the recent hubbub on the census. the democrats were screaming blue murder because we want to know if you are here as a citizen or not, and then they shouted, but that's going to lead to voter suppression. what does that mean, katie? whose votes are we going to suppress if we ask -- only one group of people. illegal aliens. so half of congress wants to see these ways, the democrats are losing the white vote in america, the middle class, the working class vote. they think the hispanic vote is the future.

so they are actively undermining the president and our national sovereignty. the president could do a lot of things with his executive orders. we've got to stop the catch and release. we've already seen more than a 70% decrease in illegal migration across the southern borders. allowing our customs and border patrol to do their job helps a lot. but it's not enough. >> katie: mark, isn't this a test for the trump administration in terms of how they react? they know this group of 1,000 plus people is coming. the way that they react is probably going to be watched by a number of other people who are may be planning on pulling one of these political stunts, as well. >> absolutely. this is probably the most important aspect of what we are seeing with this caravan, is that it is test and an opportunity for the administration. are they going to react the way angela merkel did? the way jimmy carter did years ago, when cubans started to being let out by castro, and essentially resulted in --

bringing about an avalanche of illegal immigrants? or will the administration draw the line and send that message, this is not going to be tolerated. you are not going to get into the united states. if you pull this kind of stunt. this is -- i hope they pass, obviously. i think they probably will pass the test. i it's an important opportunity for them to send the message tht it's not just bluster, there's actually something behind the bluster that we really are going to enforce our borders. >> katie: dr. gorka, last word to you. it's very clear that the bottom line is we have no idea who these people are, where they are coming from, what their history is. there are big questions about the protections of americans at home on thousands of people are just walking over the border. >> katie, look, very simple. the united states is a house. it has a front door. you lock your door when you go to sleep at night. we have a right to control who comes into our house. that is what the president is doing.

i have a word for all these nations that are complicit in undermining our national sovereignty. donald j. trump is not a president do you want to test. >> katie: dr. gorka, mark, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> katie: coming up, if you thought california's dangerous actions on illegal immigration couldn't get worse, think again. we'll tell you what governor jerry brown jested that has president trump fired up as this special edition must be 25 continues. ♪ are you done yet? does it look like i'm done? shouldn't you be at work? [ mockingly ] "shouldn't you be at work?" todd. hold on. [ engine revs ] arcade game: fist pump! your real bike's all fixed. man, you guys are good! well, we are the number-one motorcycle insurer in the country. -wait. you have a real motorcycle? and real insurance, with 24-hour customer support. arcade game: wipeout! oh! well... i retire as champion. game hog! champion.

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♪ >> katie: welcome back to the special edition of "hannity," america's illegal immigration crisis. on friday, california jerry brown granted a series of partisan commutations, including pardons for 5x conducts, convex

facing deportation. in reaction, president trump tweeted over the weekend... joining us now live from los angeles with mark, trace gallagher. >> katie, the president's tweet is taking aim about how california has downplayed governor brown's illegal immigrants. the governor's office says that the majority of them were convicted of nonviolent crimes. badly beating our spouse isn't exactly nonviolent, neither is kidnapping, robbery, or use of a firearm. stealing a car may be nonviolent but it's not jaywalking and law enforcement officers will tell you that saying eight convicted drug dealer has a drug-related offense is a sugar coating. the governor's office says the illegal immigrants have changed their ways, which very well

might be true but it's also true that they fall under homeland security's definition of criminal aliens. the list of counties and cities that may opt out of california's sanctuary loss is about to get longer. on wednesday, the city of escondido, northeast of san diego, which is 50% latino, will consider whether to join the trump administration lawsuit against california. on april 17th, san diego county will discuss this a matter in a closed-door session. last month, the southern california of lhasa libidos voted to join the department of justice lawsuit and started orange county, and now orange county commissioner sean nelson explains why. >> what california's laws are requiring our our shares not even complying. it's resulting in people who have committed crimes ending up on the streets of every county, certainly orange county. we got involved because we don't think that's right. we are tired of this data trying to use these arguments to

prevent us from keeping the citizens safe. >> even though the san francisco bay area has not opted out of this state to sanctuary law yet, the sheriff is cooperating with immigration agents by posting the release dates of jail inmates, including those inmates in the country illegally. katy. >> katie: trace, thank you very much. joining us now with the reaction is that man challenging governor brown, california g.o.p. gubernatorial candidate john cox. thank you so much for being here tonight. we appreciate it. >> thank you, katie, great to be with you. >> katie: how do you explain the anarchy in california? it seems like things are falling apart at the seams. the government in sacramento is being pushed back on cover rightfully come by these local communities. how will you change this? >> i applaud orange county, i applaud my home county of san diego for standing up to this. this is typical of the politicians who are running the state into the ground, katie. their first job out to me to

keep the residents of this state safe. i'm getting involved, i'm leading the charge, to talk to other counties as well around the state about standing up for this. the voters elect their county and state officials to protect them. that is the first job of government is to do that. and the idea that jerry brown picks easter we weekend to parn people who have committed crimes and who were let out of jail very recently, it's not like these are people who served their time 30 years ago and have been upstanding members of the community. quite the contrary. a lot of these crimes were committed in 2003, 2004, 2005, and they have recently gotten out of jail. they are a threat to the community and they are illegal aliens. the government and the state ought to act to protect the people of the stage. i'm a businessman, just like president trump. i solve problems. i think the president is trying to solve problems and keeping

this. >> katie: solving the problem, you talk about speaking to these voters in california, but clearly they are electing people who believe in these sanctuary city policies. when you are traveling around to certain parts of california, what are you hearing directly from people on the ground there? what are they saying to you about these sanctuary laws? polling shows that californians don't want to be a sanctuary state, however, these politicians keep getting reelected in these blue counties to pass laws that make it easy for criminals and violent people to get away from law enforcement. >> the people are rising up. i applaud the mayor of escondid escondido, a friend of mine. the people are making their voices known to this, katie. they are concerned. look at what kate steinle's parents went through. there is a young woman in sonoma county who is dead because the sheriff their incident inform i.c.e. when they released a dangerous person out into the population. this can't happen.

people in my state have been beaten down by the majority party in the state. we have the highest poverty rate, we have more people on welfare than any other state in the country. our business climate is horrendous. our quality of life is suffering, katie. we are 50th out of 50, for crying out loud! i think that people are going to rise up and continue this backlash all the way through november. they want better management. they are going to get it. i'm going to change the states. >> katie: if you would not, which would be nice for republican tea win in that stage, given a track record of democrats the last couple of decades, what exactly are you planning to do to work with the federal government to reverse this trend of criminal aliens operating in california? cartel members operating in cities across that state? how are you going to approach that? how are you going to approach that from a managerial perspective? >> i will be meeting with every

law enforcement agency in the state about working together. >> katie: and with the feds. >> that is what people do when they vote. they want our public officials to work together, federal and state, hand in glove, i will do that as a governor of the stage. i think that is with the people want to. they don't want this anger and resentment start up. they want the law enforced. it's the rule of all that makes this state and this country different, katie. you know that. >> katie: absolutely. john cox, thank you very much. joining me now but with more reaction, fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett, and monica crowley. monica, i will go to you first. california has been destroyed and ruined by leftist policies. this is another example. >> california, once a beautiful state, still a beautiful state, has been ruined over many decades by the left. you have something of a civil war brewing because you have these counties like orange county that are not going down the same path as sacramento and governor brown saying that we will enforce these sanctuary laws that make this data into a

sanctuary state. i think enforcement is critical, not just of our immigration laws, but also when you have folks like the oakland mayor and others in states like california, who refused to enforce the law, and not just that, but put out calls to illegals to duck the law, putting federal agents at risk, putting the communities at risk, putting american citizens at risk. those folks who would be held to account. laws should be applied to them so that they are held accountable and put up as an example. >> katie: gregg, the federal government, justice department, has filed two lawsuits, one over sanctuary cities. you think it is time to prosecute people who are harboring illegal aliens in the state of california? >> absolutely. there is a federal statute passed by congress which has plenary power over all immigration matters and it says if you harbor, shield, or conceal somebody here illegally, it's a crime upon conviction,

punishable by five years behind bars and if somebody dies as a consequence of your shielding someone, it is life behind bars. it's about time the department of justice started prosecuting sheriffs, mayors, like the oakland mayor, for violating that law, and in the oakland mayor's case, for aiding and abetting people during a i.c.e. rate and obstructing justice. >> katie: monica, the biggest problem with illegal immigration in this country is that there has been no accountability to the law. that is the reason we are in the situation in the first place, because the law has not been enforced for 30 years. >> by both sides. both parties should be held accountable for the situation we are in right now. the republicans wanted cheap labor and the democrats wanted to flood the zone of the zone bring the country, but particular states like california, flood the zone for electoral purposes so that they could ultimately create a permanent democrats voting majority.

you have both sides basically colluding with each other for different reasons to get us in this predicament. if i had to isolate the single reason why donald trump was elected, he was elected for many reasons, improve the economy and so on. if i had to isolate one reason, i would say build a wall. his mantra of building a wall and is forcing america's immigration laws, deporting those who are here illegally, protecting the american taxpayer, protecting the american worker, i would say that is the thing that carries him across the finish line, not just with republicans and the conservative base, but with the disaffected democrats as well who have seen their ways is depressed, who have seen this whole underground economy go to illegal immigration. they want to the borders enforced. they know this country is a country based on the rule of law or should be. >> katie: gregg, what about the argument, people saying that california is exercising their federalism when they are allowed to decide what they want to enforce and where they don't want to enforce? explain how they are breaking

federal law. >> they passed laws, sanctuary city laws, and county and state laws, that are in clear violation of the constitution under the supremacy clause, you can't pass a law that conflicts with federal law. they have done precisely that. i grew up in california, spent 30 years there. my family is still there. they are heartbroken over what has happened to the state. they feel like the state and local officials that have passed these sanctuary laws are not -- they are breaching their duty by failing to protect them. and that is the number one duty of government as public safety, to protect the citizenry. so when brown pardons all these people who had committed crimes, and the recidivism rate is extremely high, he is jeopardizing lives and livelihoods. >> katie: monica, getting back to that issue of the criminal aspect of this. the oakland mayor gives heads up to those in her community about

how i.c.e. is coming, they are targeting people with domestic violence, rape convictions, carrying out violent crimes of a firearm, here we are. people who live in california who want a solution to this problem are starting to feel helpless about the fact that democrats keep getting reelected by people who don't care about the government protecting them from criminal aliens. >> that's right. this is one of the difficulties with the situation, particularly in deep blue states like california, where you have a nearly monolithic political situation. while the people are saying, we look to our government for one major thing, which is to preserve our safety and security, and our state government, local government, not doing that. this is an incredibly serious issue and we -- the illegal immigrants that you described, katie, those have been convicted of kidnapping, robbery, homicide, domestic violence, they are the one getting pardons by the governor, these should be

the no-brainer cases, right? is not like we're talking about the daca children or something where there is a gray area. this is pretty cut and dry. california still can't handle them properly. >> katie: gregg, moving forward as we see these local jurisdictions like orange county and other cities pushing back on sacramento and saying, no, you have the attorney general of california, javier becerra, threatening to arrest the sheriff in orange county for enforcing and complying with federal law, how do you see this playing out as more and more people go to the community leaders and say, enough is enough? we don't want to be harboring criminal illegal aliens in our communities? >> there are two avenues. civil law and criminal law. you've mentioned the criminal law, let's start prosecuting people. the feds need to prosecute people who are violating the law, officials, sheriff's, police department chiefs. but civil law, as well. that means withholding federal funds in the federal government has the power to do that and litigating the illegality of

these sanctuary laws in federal court. you know, you may lose the first couple of rounds among some liberal district court judges. but they make mistakes all the time, which is why we have a u.s. supreme court. if they were perfect all the time, we would need a supreme court. in the end, these sanctuary laws will be struck down. >> katie: well, thank you both for joining me tonight. i really appreciated. more to come on that for sure. coming up here, the illegal immigration situation on our southern border, the clear and present danger to our country. law enforcement has the resources to combat it. that and more as his special edition of "hannity" continues. ♪ r 200 allergens. like those from buddy. because stuffed animals are clearly no substitute for real ones. feel the clarity and live claritin clear.

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♪ >> mexico has got to help us at the border. if they are not going to help us at the border, it's a very sad thing between two countries. mexico has got to help us at the border. a lot of people are coming in

because they want to take advantage of the daca. but mexico has got to help us at the border. they blow right through mexico, it can happen that way anymore. >> katie: welcome back to the special edition of "hannity," america's illegal immigration prices. president trump is calling up mexico and pushing his government to do its part and help secure the border between our two countries. this comes as migrants from central america are flowing through mexico into the united states. the situation on our southern border, just how bad is it? joining us now is 20 year border patrol veteran brandon judd and former arizona sheriff. brandon, your reaction on the president calling on mexico to do more? >> he did the absolute right thing. when you look at it, mexico is facilitating -- the government of mexico is actually facilitating these individuals to come up to our borders and

break u.s. law or the sovereignty of the united states. he should absolutely call on the leaders of the mexican government to put an end to this. they have very strict immigration laws, yet they are throwing their laws over their shoulder to allow these people to come up and break our laws. that cannot happen. >> katie: sheriff, i want to talk about the local law enforcement perspective of this. you were in charge of a county, not a porter county, but in a border state, has border county. talk about how would mexico allows thousands of people to come through into the united states without stopping them are betting them, how that affects deputies on the ground. >> welcome a crime. one, you are adding criminal illegals besides it's not just of millions and millions of illegals who are here, many of them, as president trump has pointed out, have criminal

records in their home countries. figures as high as 30% of these millions and millions. there is a cost of that, not just in terms of incarceration and law enforcement but also with education, and medical care, it's estimated just for the state of arizona, your home state, which we are very proud of you, close to $2 billion every year. so this is an extreme cost, not just in terms of the social and the law enforcement aspect but in terms of actual dollars and cents. what's different here is that these are not just illegals being escorted by coyotes or guides, this is an actual, almost as brandon pointed out, sanctioned by the government of mexico, 1200 potentially marching towards the border. even though that may sound like a small number, how we deal with this sent a message to mexico, to central america, because if we accept them as refugees or asylum-seekers, we are going to

see tens and tens of thousands replicating this. >> katie: president trump took a little bit of heat today for saying and arguing that these illegal aliens are coming to the united states to take advantage of daca. what he should have said as they are coming to take advantage of any kind of amnesty that gets put on the table for people who get on their ground here. we salve us in 2014 with the child immigration, unaccompanied minor crisis, when people just send their kids up but knew that if they could go there and stay there, they would get sent to a family member in the united states and never be sent back. talk about the fact that when anyone in washington starts talking about amnesty, daca come the treatment program, anything, citizenship, we see an increased minors, illegal aliens coming across the border, specifically in the last couple of months, family units making it across hoping to get to stay. >> all you have to do is go down and speak with the individuals that are impacted. the ranchers. i was out on a tour of the

border with senator cornyn, senator heller, and a couple of other senators a couple of months ago. and we were at a ranch estate. the owners of the estate specifically said every single time we start talking about immigration reform or an amnesty, we see hundreds of people come across our ranch. they find dead bodies on the ranch all the time. and the increase is always when we start talking about an amnesty program. we cannot talk about any sort of amnesty, whether that's daca or comprehensive immigration reform, unless we secure the border first. once we secure the border, then we can start talking about things so that we don't put ourselves in this same situation five, ten years from now. the bill in 1986 was supposed to fix that problem. it didn't. they put the cart before the horse. they legalized everybody but they didn't put the border security measures in place. we have to put the border security measures in place first. >> katie: the white house made

it very clear they want to solve this problem once and for all. they don't want to be dealing with later on. sheriff, i want to talk to you about the human aspect of this. people who stand up for border security are accused of being inhumane, racist, they are accused of not being empathetic to those who are fleeing violent situations. what about the journey here? i've always said that open borders are inhumane borders. i'm sure that you've seen some terrible things as a result of people being told by these coyotes, we'll take care of you, we'll take you through the desert, make sure it happens just fine, and it actually turns out to be a horrific experience for these people. >> it is. they are victimized. not only it's brutal because of the barren deserts and they walking days upon days, many of them die, hundreds each year, it's estimated, and they are victimized as well. not only they are spending their life savings, giving it to these escorts, these coyotes, they are robbing them. they are raping them.

we've had countless cases in my eight years of sheriff's where they have been raped multiple times as juveniles. to your point, where liberal say we are not compassionate or true to our proud of him history as a lead of immigrants, completely false. we are the most compassionate, most generous nation to this day, nearly 1 million illegal immigrants each and every year that we allow in. far an excess of nation. we are proud of that. we can't just have open borders and whoever wants to get to the border, you are home free. those where the obama days and we are done with it was. >> katie: brandon, sheriff, we are out of time unfortunately. thank you so much for bringing your on the ground perspective to the show. we appreciate it. coming up, president trump saying that a daca deal is dead. democrats are to blame. little debate that next on the special of "hannity" ."

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♪ >> the democrats have really let them down. if they really let them down. they found this great opportunity. the democrats have really let them down. it's a shame. now people are taking. it's a shame. >> katie: welcome to the special edition of "hannity" ." the president also taking to twitter this morning, writing... joining us now, two of my favorites for analysis, see pac chairman matt slap and the founder -- charlie hurt. i'm going to start with you, matt. to me it looks like the

president are shifting away from any kind of talk on amnesty, comprehensive illegal immigration reform, daca, focusing on border security. >> i think there's some truth to that, katie. i think he is telling the democrats that he's not going to dance forever. eventually, the music ends. if they decide they want to play politics over immigration, not get things done, he's got to focus on what he needs to do. if his budget strategy gets him about 1.4 billion per year for the small, it will take a long time, decades longer than his presidency, to ever build this wall. he's also realizing he has to come up with new strategies, vis-a-vis finding the wall and dealing with mexico as we continue to have the daca two, daca three, daca four as more and more people come to the border. >> katie: isn't it obvious that democrats would never give a republican president they went on daca? that would take away a political tool for them going to the midterms?

stick of the democrats never wanted a deal on daca. they want to perpetual immigration so they can use these people as political tools, both now and in the future. look, we are going to have president in the future that will advocate for tax cuts and get conservative judges. president trump is a once in a generation later that actually wants to secure the border. from reagan to bush, we had republican presidents in the past that have just said, we'll have open borders. you've seen the incalculable told that that has done on this country, whether it be $115 billion a year, the cost of illegal immigration to the taxpayers. 98% of all heroin and fentanyl comes across the southern border. you're exactly right. the democrats don't want to solve this issue. they don't want border security. they want a unlimited illegal immigration. i joke around that if illegal immigrants tended to vote for republicans than democrats, the democrats would be saying build a wall and they would have massive deportations all the time. >> katie: i'm sure that is true. matt, going into the midterms, the president has made it a

little bit obvious that there is a little concern from republicans about enthusiasm to get to the polls. immigration is a huge reason why he win in 2016, a lot of the reason why people switched from the left to the rights because they are fed up with this issue. how do republicans use this now going into the midterms to get people to the polls to say if you want your promises from the president, you are going to have to make sure that the house in the senate to remain in republican hands? >> katie, i think that's true. basically with a trump agenda, you ought to keep being aggressive with the agenda. if the policy is right, the politics will take care of themselves. when it comes to this question of immigration, one of the things that nontraditional republican voters love about the president, he is willing to speak the truth. he's willing to say it very clearly. i think at this time in our politics, that works very well. i'd works great for the president. if the republicans in congress follow along, i actually think the midterms could be a pretty good night. we will do great in the senate and in these house races, you know, i think at the end of the

day, if we get the policy right, the politics will work out. >> katie: republicans have been getting on the generic ballot and i think this caravan of 1,000 plus people coming to the united states will certainly push that message. charlie, when it comes to the president moving forward, he said today that the democrats have let daca recipients down. politically, is he going to be able to score any points with that crowd of people? they are not happy with democrats either. they stormed to nancy pelosi's town hall and surrounded her with chance because she is refused to do anything about th. >> he's going to. the president was very generous. in fact i think he was too generous in offering citizenship on the table for daca recipients, something that even obama was wrestling with five or six years ago. here's the thing. when you incentivize bad behavior, you are going to get more of that behavior. that is why you are seeing these caravans. the window for daca has passed.

if you have a two-year discussion on daca, you will have another 3 million illegal immigrants come across the southern borders. the president's instincts are correct. no more. build the wall, militarize the southern border, then we can have a discussion on this. the democrats had their chance. right now the southern border is a national security issue, a financial issue, a cultural issue. i don't think the media or the democratic party is recognizing how significant the toll of illegal immigration is on southern states and also their whole country, whether it be the financial condition, also the crime that has come into our cities. we have to build the wall, secure the border. >> katie: match, looking at the calendar, the agenda, you are a political guy. as we saw, daca couldn't get done even with president trump's very generous offer on the table. if the president ended daca bece it was unconstitutional, to do it through the executive branch, how much will we be able to get done on the issue of not just illegal immigration under form, but border security? speak of the real question is

what will president trump do with his executive power? the senate has by and large punted it because they are not going to do a budget reconciliation. so really it comes down to the president. from what i can see watching this president, he wants to get stuff done. my guess is he's going to push the limits of executive power, not to help illegals, but to make sure that as charlie said, can secure our border. i would look in on every issue of the trump agenda. the relationship with china, trade, immigration, regulations, he will put the pedal put to the metal to get this economy going and secure our national security. >> katie: charlie, matt mentioned that brady said the president likes to get things done. just last week and friday, the part of ritual gave update on the wall. there replacing parts of the wall, chosen prototypes they are putting in. the president has been frustrated that congress only gave him $1.6 billion. how do you see this moving forward with the congressional

agenda? >> to get congress to do this is nearly impossible. they need to be called out. i asked the question of the republican party, some leaders actually want this wall to be built. there is no good arguments do not want to secure our border. i am going southern border later this week to see it myself because i think it will be the defining issue of this presidency. he ran on it, it. >> katie: we are running out of time. thank you, matt, charlie, thank you very much. coming up, more on this especially edition of "hannity" right after the break. stay with us. ♪ your brain changes as you get older. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered...

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thank you for joining us. make sure your dvr so you never miss an opportunity to see sean hannity. he's back tomorrow. have a great night. jason chaffetz sits up next, filling in for laura ingraham tonight. >> jason: thank you, katie. welcome to "the ingraham angle." i am jason chaffetz in for laura ingraham. april is already after a manic start in washington. republican candidates are running ads highlighting hillary clinton and its driving the democrats crazy. we'll discover why the democrats are rushing to defend andrew mccabe as a victim when he could be in serious legal trouble. after tearing down confederate statues, the pc police have a brand-new target. we'll tell you which slice of american history is next on their chopping block. but we begin with the president's strong new push to secure the border and her. in a new round of tweets, the president writing, "as ridiculous as it sounds, the laws of our country do not easily allow us to send those