make sure your dvr so you never miss an opportunity to see sean hannity. he's back tomorrow. have a great night. jason chaffetz sits up next, filling in for laura ingraham tonight. >> jason: thank you, katie. welcome to "the ingraham angle." i am jason chaffetz in for laura ingraham. april is already after a manic start in washington. republican candidates are running ads highlighting hillary clinton and its driving the democrats crazy. we'll discover why the democrats are rushing to defend andrew mccabe as a victim when he could be in serious legal trouble. after tearing down confederate statues, the pc police have a brand-new target. we'll tell you which slice of american history is next on their chopping block. but we begin with the president's strong new push to secure the border and her. in a new round of tweets, the president writing, "as ridiculous as it sounds, the laws of our country do not easily allow us to send those crossing our southern borders back where they came from.

a whole big weighted procedure must take place. mexico and canada have top immigration laws, where is ours our an obama joke. act, congress! honduras, mexico, many other countries of the u.s. is very generous to sense many of their people to our countries to our week immigration policy. caravans are heading here. most pastel flaws and build the wall. democrats allow open borders and drugs and crime." let's get the inside story on why the president's changing tactics from fox news national correspondent ed henry at the white house for us tonight. >> decent, great to see you. breaking tonight, a justice department official has just confirmed to fox news that in fact they are now within the trump administration instituting quotas for federal immigration judges to try and speed up deportations of illegal immigrants out of this country. it comes after the union for these charges had a prohibition in place that did not allow these quotas.

the quotas have not been lifted. a justice official saying, "these performance metrics, which were agreed to by the immigration judge union that is now condemning them, are designed to increase productivity and efficiency in a system without compromising due process." this comes as a caravan of about 1100 people fleeing central america is traveling to mexico right now. some seeking political asylum. others are trying to make it to the u.s. border, would you know is porous. that drew the president tsai you're on easter sunday as he walked into church with the first lady -- saying that mexican officials are monitoring this caravan from afar because it is so large rather than finding out who has valid passports. >> mexico has got to help us of the border. if they are not going to help us of the border, it is a very sad thing. mexico has got to help us at the border. a lot of people are coming in because they want to take

advantage of daca. we are going to have to really see. they had a great chance, the democrats blew it. they had a great, great chance. they will have to take a look. mexico has got to help us at the border. they flow right here mexico, they send them into the united states. can't happen that way anymore. >> jason: political act noted it's misleading to conflate that caravan with daca because only people who have lived in the u.s. since june of 2007 were eligible for daca, that we have seen illegal immigrants obviously find ways to get all kinds of other benefits in california and other states, which is why the president sent a series of tweets over the last 48 hours, including a demand that senate republicans killed the 60 vote filibuster barrier on legislation so he can get the wall and maybe other key anti-illegal immigration measures with just 51 votes, a straight majority. democrats dianne feinstein did not take kindly to that tweet you mentioned a moment ago that you just showed. also a comment from the president saying that daca is

dead, feinstein saying, "the president blaming democrats for a stalemate is not true. he insists -- she insists that she could support funding for the wall if he could compromise. "president trump is absolutely wrong on daca. he unilaterally rescinded daca for no reason and has rejected every single bipartisan proposal that will protect dreamers from deportation." the president realizes this is a way for him to rally his political base. he won and parked in 2016 because of illegal immigration. he wants to fire up the base ahead of the midterms. an uphill battle, as you know, jason. breaking tonight, buzzfeed says that mexican authorities are bowing or claiming that they will break up this caravan by wednesday. as ronald reagan used to say, trust but verify. >> jason: that would be a great development because there are a lot of people concerned that what the democrats would like to do, the democrats don't want to solve the problem.

let's examine where we go from here on border security and immigration reform. we have with us tonight border patrol agent hector garza, he is the vice president of the national border patrol council. and francisco hernandez, who is an immigration attorney. hector, i have been with you down on the border. i appreciate the great work the men and women do. it's amazing, hard, and difficult. but tell us what is happening right now on the border. are people able to get across? what if all of a set an 1100 people showed up in your sector? speaker was happening at the border is that catch and releas. a lot of the obama holdovers within our agency are still implementing dosing policies that were under the obama administration. unfortunately if this caravan makes it to the southern border and make lots of legally into our country, they will be processed but that may well be released on the notice to appear, which means they will disappear into the american

communities and they will never return to court. >> jason: francisco, what is the case, why not build this wall? the video we were just showing was video that i took when i was down on the border. you see a wall and then it stops and then it just becomes barbed wire fence. why not build the wall? what's the best case you got? why not put one up? >> okay, first of all, public officials and law enforcement officials have to remove politics from doing their job. our sheriff in fort worth does that right now. the problem is -- >> jason: that has nothing to do with the wall. >> i am trying to tell you. >> jason: i just want you to focus on the wall. why not build an actual wall? >> okay, look. we can't do it. >> jason: wait, wait. what do you mean we can't do it? you saw the video. >> we tried in 2001, it doesn't work. the problem eyes you have the reform immigration laws here,

the ones that we have are not working. you are right, mr. border patrol agent, are you are telling me that i.c.e. and border patrol can't do their job without the cities and local government helping? are you saying you need mexico to control their borders? i don't think you can say that. >> jason: give him a chance to act answer. hector, would a wall help you are not help you? >> a wall would help operations. >> jason: that's all he wanted to know. francisco, go back, explain to me. the guy works, he spent decades serving on the border. it is easier, better for them to protect 2,000 miles of the border with a wall. so why not build a wall? >> look, i'm okay for building a wall but we have to legalize 100,000 mexicans to build it and that is a good start. the problem is, we tried in 2001 and 2002. it failed and we canceled it because of budget overruns. guys, let's get on the immigration reform. you know what? president trump's craw fishing

because he doesn't have the votes on his own side. let him filibuster, call the bluff, draw the line in the san sand. >> jason: let me answer that question. the reason you need democrats is because you need 60 votes in the senate. the authorization to build the wall is there, but -- hold on. the funding -- >> because both parties don't know how to remove the politics from doing their job, just like sheriffs. you guys are all focused on yosemite sam in arizona. you guys need to get on the ball. border patrol doesn't need help. i.c.e. doesn't need help. we need the laws to be changed. daca has nothing to do with all of these folks. fees are 800, 900 -- >> jason: wait a second. >> it's a nightmare it! they have never been to any of the countries other than america and they are talking about a caravan -- >> jason: hold on. time out! >> are we funding them?

>> jason: let's give hector -- hector -- hold on. hector, what's the reality? i went to detention facility, i saw people from 150 different countries. this is not a problem just mexico. what is the reality of people coming across the border? >> jason, this is nothing more than a rampant abuse over immigration system. these people are coming to our borders and making false asylum claims. most of these claims do not stand up to the judicial overview and they don't qualify for the asylum claims. many people are fleeing their countries -- there is no definition -- >> jason: francisco, deep breaths. francisco. >> don't tell me you can't stop the train from coming over here across the border? of course we can! we have a button on the train, we control -- >> jason: it's not about

trains. i hate to tell you. there are trails -- i've been down there, i've seen it. i have seen this. you have no >> if the border patrol can't do their job, theye fantastic, let them do their job, and remove the politics from letting them do their job. >> jason: here's the problem. francisco, you are an attorney. you get this, you understand this. help me here. when somebody crosses the border, they don't run. i wasn't shocked when i went down there. they claim asylum. then what happens? >> what we are asking for is walls in strategic locations of that will save american lives, not only american lives, but it will keep the agents from getting assaulted from a daily basis. not only the outcome of these people are coming across, they are falling prey to the cartel. a lot of these people are being

put into forced labor, sex labo labor -- >> you are the leader of the border patrol union. less than 20% of the border patrol agents belong to your union. you do not speak for border patrol. i know border patrol agents. >> jason: he is a part of patrol agent. >> you are insulting them by saying they can't do their job. >> jason: francisco and hector, listen, thank you. this is a lively debate. there's a lot more to discuss but i got to tell you, i think the reason the democrats are fighting so hard against the border wall is because it works and they want people coming here. if you claim asylum -- hold on -- if you claim asylum, then you will be assigned to a judge and it is going to take you five, six years before that case is adjudicated. yes, it will. that is why -- we'll talk some more about this. gentlemen, thank you for being here. we've got to be here. the border wall is once again taking center stage and president trump is not waiting

on congress to keep moving forward on building it. 1 of 4 countries selected to build a cement product type and the ceo joins us now with more. tommy, you have designed a big, big wall. i have seen some pictures of it. it is 1 of 4 prototypes. the lack of funding is there from congress. give us a sense, how big is that while that we are looking at a picture of right now? >> aris is a wall, not a see-through friends, it's an actual wall. it is 30 feet tall, 30 inches thick of concrete, and it will work. one of the things, we put a proposal on the department of homeland security's desk to build a 700 miles in roughly five years through california, new mexico, and arizona, complete with high-speed roads for the agents that will actually work. for 10.77 billion, backed by a bond. there is no capital overruns. we are here to do exactly what

we need to do. border security for every single american. we can prove it works. >> jason: you've got places with riverbeds, mountainous areas, particularly in new mexico. what do you do on those portions? is the wall for the entire span? >> absolutely, no exceptions for mountains. with our president systems, we do step footings on the bottom, we keep a consistent top. we can go up 17% grades and build the roads that the agents can. and furthermore, i included a smaller proposal to build 15 miles in one year. so that current fans they are building right now and calexico, the government has given basically 300 days to build 2 miles. with one crew, we can build 15 miles. so the difference is, we are building a wall, not a fence. president trump had it right. congress did not do him justice by basically limiting the only thing they could spend is on offense, an outer wall. imagine if general jim mattis

got in the military budget got a 700 million but there was an caveat that you could only build old military options that don't work. basically the fence wears out in 30 years, best-case scenario. i've got places where it rested in basically ten years. our point is -- >> jason: what about the point, people have said, if you build a wall, we'll just build a tunnel? there really are intelligence of being able to detect a tunnel. what do we do then? how far down into the ground is that while goal? >> it goes 6 feet. we have ways, if you cover up where our footings work, you can track tunnels to within two or . when i put two high-speed access roads on both sides of the wall, you have views both ways. basically if they did build a tunnel, we could pull right up on a road, just like useful in -- you could fill it up full of gravel. >> jason: have you had people trying to go over it? >> no. think about this, jason, you'll

have an access road for the part of patrol agents that's sitting 40 feet off the border right now that they are on the paved road that the ages can't be detective. you need to put up a ladder or an agent can drive up on you? that would be like asking you to put up a ladder on the highway and the border agents are coming every couple minutes. when we build what we can build, literally, those agents can travel 6-10 times as fast as they do because they have access. in the end, you have to build a barrier. our barrier lasts 150 years. then we've got to give access to the agents so they can protect everyone of our lives. >> jason: listen, it's an interesting prototype. i know there are three others that have also got an approved. the wall works. anything we can do to help the border patrol agents do their job because of the influx is the right thing. thank you again, sir, for being here. next up, andrew mccabe left the fbi as a disgraced official fired for allegedly lying. but to the left, he's a hero.

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>> jason: here's a puzzle. by the media, the left, treating former fbi director andrew mccabe is both a hero and a victim? after all, it was mccabe who was fired on the recommendation of the bureau's office of professional responsibility, an unprecedented move, particularly at that level. lawmakers jim jordan and mark meadows told "the angle" that he was fired because he lied four times. let's discuss what happened with republican congressman john radcliffe of texas and john garamendi of california. i appreciate you gentlemen for coming here and we are in your duly noted blue ties.

thank you, very appropriate. thank you very much. >> good to be with you both. >> you've got yourself a good gig, jason. >> jason: if i don't screw up this interview. it would be great. listen, i want to play up a video, this is from director comey in his own words, and i wt you to react to it. >> i think reasonable people can disagree about whether i should have announced it and how i should have done it. what is not fair is any implication that the bureau acted in any way other than competent. that is just not true. i know this is going to be controversial, i knew they were going to be rocks thrown. but this is organization and the people who do this, we are honest people. we do not carry water for one side or the other. it is hard for me was a sea because i want to for our, we s. >> jason: let's go with john radcliffe first. was this done exactly the way it should have been done? >> i think that is why so many

of us are asking for your dream coming eventually to come back and clarify some of the testimony that he gave under oath to you and me, jason, where he talked about these things. very clearly when he made the statements, we need to know whether or not he was aware that andrew mccabe allegedly lied multiple times under oath to fbi investigators. we need to know whether he knew that peter struck her lisa page were not acting independently, but were exercising extraordinary bias towards president trump in connection with their official activities. this is don my fears are the reasons we have congressional investigations and elicit testimony from folks like james comey. i look forward to the day he comes back and we have a an opportunity to clarify those types of statements. >> jason: you are a democrat from california, congressman garamendi, do you think john ratcliffe and that republicans have a point? has this investigation gone the way it was supposed to be done

by the books? >> first of all, the investigation about mccabe as a drover. we don't have all of the information from the inspector general. that is forthcoming. with that comes out, we will see more about exactly what happened. mccabe has a completely different version than does the, in this case, the attorney general, who did the firing. in any case, what we need to do is to very carefully study what is going on here. one point gets lost in all of this and that is that the fbi actually, in its investigations of the clinton emails and in the last ten days of the campaign, did extraordinary damage to the clinton campaign. and it's really i think impossible to say that the fbi somehow was helping trump when in fact the fbi's investigations into the emails, into the clinton foundation, and the

statement ten days before the election, was extraordinarily harmful. however you want to look at it. >> jason: congressman garamendi, i think you make a good point. both sides, that is why it's mystifying to a lot of us, that the democrats are trying to create mr. mccabe as a victim here. do you support the republicans call to give all of the files? they are under subpoena by bob goodlatte. i issued a subpoena. it's a closed case. why not give all the paperwork to the congressional investigators on both sides of the aisle? so they can look at all this information? >> that would be appropriate. certainly congress has an oversight role and certainly you did a lot of that during your tenure as oversight chairman. with regard to mccabe and his defense fund, defense funds are common. many members of congress -- >> jason: i don't blame him for going out on raising money. what is interesting here is republicans are calling for a full investigation and all the paperwork and democrats are

resisting. i want to play another clip of congressman ratcliff actually questioning director comey. speaker did you make the decision not to recommend criminal charges related to classified information before or after hillary clinton was interviewed by the fbi on july 2nd? >> after. >> to me, the only way that an interview takes place with the two central witnesses and the subject of the investigation is if the decision has already been made that all three people in that room are not going to be charged. >> jason: congressman care monday, i will go back to you. again, what are your thoughts? john ratcliffe was making a pretty good point, wasn't it? >> he also has a lot more information than i do. i was not in that hearing and i certainly don't know how the fbi would conduct its investigations or make a decision to either charge or not to charge. that is subject of investigation going forward. certainly, the subject of the inspector general's report, which as i said earlier, has not

been fully released. it is supposed to be coming out very soon. and the hearings were conducted, if there is additional information that needs to our should be made available, fine. continue the hearing. as i said about want to go, oversight is very important. i do want to make one comment about oversight, and that as it should be a partisan operation. it should be a bipartisan operation. go to the facts, and try at every point to avoid partisanship. unfortunately, that has not been the case. we would let me go to john ratcliffe and get your take on it. it's been a long time since you have questioned director comey. you've learned, you've looked at, been able to read the underlying documents. but in your mind has changed since then? >> of the time he gave that testimony, and you were in the room, jason, you and i were not aware that he had actually rentd an exoneration statement for hillary clinton two months before her interview.

we need to get answers to that. we need to get answers to questions that he gave her other testimony under oath, where, as you know, he testified to congress that the steele dossier was unverified, but he verified it and attested that to the fisa court. we need answers to that. we need to know whether or not jim comey knew what andrew mccabe was allegedly doing. and her lying under oath, as has been alleged, or what lisa paged peter strzok were doing. all of these are specific questions that we need clarification from that we did not have at the time that he gave that original testimony. >> jason: congressman ratcliff, do you agree with the appointment of mr. uber, u.s. attorney for the state of utah? did he do that right? was this the wrong way, as well? >> well, i've heard people give a lot of opinions on the spray that is not the decision i would have made.

i would have frankly done at the other way around. i think the u.s. attorney would have been appropriate to investigate whether there was coordination or collusion between the trump campaign and the russians. but i think with respect to an investigation into the actions of the fbi in the department of justice, that is essentially an internal investigation. so i don't think the u.s. attorney is the appropriate person to be investigating batch. this is the extraordinary circumstance that would justify a special counsel. i think that eventually there needs to be one. >> jason: i need to quickly get both of your reaction to presidents tweets tonight and about his actions on daca. congressman garamendi, what are your thoughts? >> i'm not sure about tweets tonight. i do know about the tweets that occurred sunday morning coming out of church on easter morning and basically trashing maybe 1 million, 500,000 young men and

women that came here as children coming out of their own volition, but their parents brought them here, and in serious jeopardy if the president has his way. >> jason: the president is blaming democrats. you are a democrat. it is at fault on new? >> let's take a look at the facts. the democrats, senator schumer offered $25 billion for a border security including fences and walls where appropriate. and also in exchange for the full daca program going into effect. >> jason: let me get john ratcliffe. we got to go. >> unfortunately, the republicans added to that some programs that were simply not acceptable and it didn't pass. >> jason: john ratcliffe? >> jason, as you know, the politics of the daca program have been dishonest from day one. democrats took the position that it was appropriate and constitutional for president obama to take that executive action because a set

of congress failed to act, the president was authorized to do so. when president trump took the exact same executive action to undo the daca program, many democrats have cried foul. whether the democrats killed a door whether president trump kills it, the daca program needs to end. that is a distinction from daca recipients. republicans, donald trump, has offered a solution for daca recipients. senator grassley offered an amendment to provide status for daca recipients in exchange for reasonable border security measures back in february. 46 of 49 democrats voted against such. >> jason: i just don't know that the democrats know how to say yes to this. listen, gentlemen, it was an honor and privilege to serve with you in the congress. i think you both for taking time on this beautiful monday night to join us. thank you. >> jason, i wish you well in your new work. >> jason: thank you much. hillary clinton today and just lose in 2016, she's in danger of sinking the democrats up again

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>> jason: hillary clinton just can't stop talking. it's driving democrats crazy because it gives republican candidates so much explosive ammo for campaign ads. democrats are crying foul, claiming she's not on the ballot. how can republicans resist when she keeps saying things like this ""i won the places that are optimistic, diverse, dynamic, moving forward, and his

campaign make america great again was looking backwards." that quote was used by a republican running for senate in west virginia and who could blame him? in a state where trump beat clinton by more than 40 points in 2016. it is attacking clinton smart politics are looking backwards on the last election? richard goodstein was an advisor to the bill and hillary clinton presidential campaign and author kristen tate writes a weekly column for "the hill." i think you both for being here. richard, i want to go to you first. every time hillary clinton speaks, she takes all the oxygen in the room and what she says is so outrageous to most americans, that is my opinion. why not keep doing it? why not? >> she didn't say anything in that speech, jason, that she did not say in her book. since she wrote her book, which was published last year, doug jones won in alabama and ralph

northam won record-setting margin as a democratic candidate in virginia and conor lamb won in a district that trump won by 20 points in western pennsylvania. >> jason: are you saying that she should talk more? >> i'm saying that this notion that somehow or other she's tainting other democrats is fantasy. it's fantasy that -- i'm not sure you are one of them -- that want to posit the notion that she might run again in 2020. she's not. she is old news. it speaks to the emptiness of the agenda that the republicans are running on, that they have to run ads against her. >> jason: what do you think? should they keep doing this? >> republicans are running against hillary clinton because she is the face of today's democratic party. the democratic party of jfk is gone. today, it's the party of high taxes, amnesty for illegal immigrants, and disarming law-abiding citizens. it is a party of san francisco, baltimore, chicago, where crime has exploded, and illegal immigration is basically just

accepted and make no mistake, jason, all democrats today are exactly the same. that includes so-called moderates like joe manchin. they all vote lockstep and not a single democrats supported tax cuts for working americans, not a single democrat supported the wall, not a singer democrat supported the repeal of obamacare. these are the values that hillary clinton represents and she is the most well-known democrats in america today. so yes, she is the de facto phase of richard's party, which has become completely out of touch with working-class americans and frankly has gone off the deep end. >> jason: all right, richard, does that make your blood boil or do you agree with all of that? >> i'm saying, bring it on, kristin. we have a president at historically low popularity rates. >> jason: that's not true. richard, come on. >> it's higher than obama's was at this point -- >> you both know, at this point in his presidency, there hasn't been a president this unpopular as donald trump. sorry. >> richard is lying on national

tv! that is not true! >> jason: i won't go that far. i i think he sincerely believes that. regardless -- >> all i'm saying is, in any election, the enthusiasm we saw since the day donald trump was inaugurated with a woman's mind, has carried through. every election, the democrats up to 15, 20 points over whatever the prior election has been. and if anyone thinks -- you know jason is better than anyone, all these retirements of committee chairs, record numbers aren't happening against a backdrop of the republicans feeling so gosh darn good about their prospects in 2018, dozens of republican incumbents are being outraised by democratic challengers. that does not happen when things are so rosy as kristin paints. >> jason: kristin? >> there is a lot of enthusiasm on the left but that is in spite of hillary clinton, not because of her. hillary clinton made it very

clear what democrats think of trump supporters. they are backwards deplorables. democrats who are for reelection in states like west virginia, where trump won by 40 points, they will need some of these deplorables to vote for them. the more vocal and visible hillary clinton is, the better it is for republicans unluckily for them, she doesn't know how to keep her mouth shut. >> jason: let's put up a quote. this is a quote from "the hill." lloyd greene wrote this in marc. "while clinton frustrations are understandable, she should get off the stage along with her dismal poll numbers. for democrats, a vanishing clinton allows them to break with the turbulence that marked the clinton years. their aftermath, and terms won. the question is whether clinton will give the democrats the breathing room they need. who is the leader of the democratic party? who's leading, and name one the leading policy they will run on a 2018. >> here's the answer to the

question. who is the leader of the republican party at this .4 years ago? was at paul ryan? it was not anybody who ultimately ran -- >> jason: who is the leader? would hillary clinton speaks, issue not still the leader of the democratic party? >> no, of course not. >> jason: is a nancy pelosi? >> is a combination of chuck schumer and nancy pelosi and a lot of younger democrats who were coming on scene and speaking on a platform -- >> jason: that platform, name one thing the democrats -- >> let me give you one example. remember, donald trump said to the black community, support to me, what do you have to lose? the answer, you can use health care, medicaid, social security. ballooning deficits. there are ways in which -- >> jason: deficit hawk? >> here's a platform a democrats will run on. open borders, higher taxes, and not repealing obamacare, which has been an epic failure. there is there black forum. who is a base platform?

hillary clinton. >> somehow or other, the public is not quite where you are, kristin. the president's popularity is there any indication, and if all these incumbents, house republicans, getting out of the house -- look, jason had a colleague who said to me recently, i got out undefeated and unindicted. and i think a lot of these republicans are getting out while they can. >> jason: richard and kristin, thank you so much for being here. up next, president trump could soon hold a somewhat with vladimir putin. but will it hurt or only damage his administration? stay tuned. , with your financest is. we had nothing to do with that tie. voya. helping you to and through retirement. thisat red lobsterest. with exciting new dishes like dueling lobster tails and lobster truffle mac & cheese.

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♪ >> jason: washington is suddenly abuzz with speculation over the prospects of president trump meeting with russian president putin. just as relations between their countries have hit a new low. the united states and russia recently expelled 60 of each other's supplements.

today, a criminal and foreign policy advisors said the trump invited putin to the white house during a phone call two weeks ago. let's get the inside scoop and go once again to fox news chief national correspondent ed henry. >> jason, great to see you again. this may turn out to be a lot more hyperventilating by president trump's critics more than anything else. it's not even clear tonight that this expected meeting or summit between president trump and putin will happen at the white house, even a lot of the speculation is. president trump's critics are jumping on this claim because if it's a narrative that the white house is too cozy with putin by suggesting a president will host them at the white house, even though ironically, the president's critics are using a statement from the kremlin that claims the invite to the white house was made during that march 20th phone call that became so controversial because of a "washington post" report that the president ignored his advisors advised to not congratulate putin about his reelection victory even though president obama also congratulated putin under similar circumstances in a few weeks ago.

the claremont claimed today for some it may happen at the white house, adding "a meeting t and beneficial for most of the black both countries as well as for the entire global community." sarah sanders quickly responded, this was not really new. "as a president himself confirmed on march 20th, hours after his loft call with president putin, the two discussed a bilateral meeting at a not-too-distant future at a number of potential venues including the white house. we have nothing further to add at this time." this is not really new because last week, this is with the president said. >> i had a very good call and i suspect we will probably be reading in the not-too-distant future to discuss the arms race. i think we will probably be seeing president putin in the not-too-distant future. >> this was hinted at by the president, you see there, no location has been confirmed. that's it not stop the president's critics. david from tweeting, "on his do not congratulate congratulations called to putin, and wake of nerve agent attack on new k-1 all nato is imposing sanctions,

trump invited putin for a white house visits." remember, president obama met with putin many times while he was in office as well as meeting with president dmitry medvedev while he was in president, that infamous exchange wall president trump said that he would have more flexibility witn reelection. >> jason: a huge appomattox triumph for trump to arrange a future made with north korean dictator kim jong un. similarly, meeting with putin could help mend relations, not without risk. let's look into the prospects and perils with jim hansen, the president of the security cities group and former state department official and obama campaign advisor david to hurry. i want to start with you, david. do you think the president is making a mistake care or should he meet with president putin? >> this is pretty stunning news, because of the timing of how this happened. first of all, it happened in a phone call with putin where president trump's aides urged him not to congratulate trump -- not to congratulate putin on his

election win. he did that anyway. we find out anyway, not from the white house but from a kremlin that president trump also invited putin to come to the white house. the question is why is he doing these things, sending positive signals to putin, when everyone else, including our allies, are pushing back against russia? we just expelled russian diplomats. we are trying to send a message that russia has to back off. president trump -- is sending opposite message. >> jason: david, are you really arguing that the two leaders should not meet and not talk? you think that's bad? >> i actually think it's good to meet with foreign leaders, even our adversaries. but you have to do it in the correct way and you can't have a mixed message. >> jason: what's wrong with saying we should meet in the future? look -- >> he didn't say we would meet in the future. >> jason: when the president is diplomatic, you give him a hard time and say he should have listened to his aides. but if he was standoffish, you give him a stiff arm, never, ever, then you'd be criticizing him for not.

>> jason, i saw you on fox news sunday. you will bear polite about your disagreements with president trump. i agree, why is president trump pulling out of syria? 's be when you're kind of off-topic. i'm just trying to see if the two should meet. >> is the best thing for putin. he wants us to ball out of syria. he just had a couple hundred mercenaries -- >> jason: i'm just trying to ask -- >> a couple weeks later, trump announces we are pulling out. >> jason: let me bring in jim. you have a perspective on us. should the president and president vladimir putin, should they get together? a good, healthy thing for the country and the world? >> of course they should. the idea that somehow when trump was talking to putin he should not suggest this is ridiculous. when all is he going to do this? the two of them are the top two leaders, the two people with him was to deal with right now, including syria, as david just mentioned. right now, russia, turkey, and a ran our meeting to carve up

syria. president trump needs to get in front of putin and tell him not to do that. the idea that some are saying this is trump groveling, like the hysterical column in today's "washington post"'s said, is ridiculous. he is trying to get putin so thy can talk about syria, north korea, they major issues facing our two countries. that is president trump's job. >> jason: david, do you worry that as of the white house or do you think there's another venue you should be there? what is the worry about the two world leaders talking together? >> my worry is about the message we are sending to russia, when we are trying to create deterrence toward russian conduct, including the conduct where these nerve agents against people on the soil of our ally in england, sent mercenaries to attack our forces in syria, when it had a bogus election to elect putin. we should be deterring that type of conduct from russia. russia is an adversary to the

u.s. russia is against democracy. it's against rule of law. and we are allowing -- >> jason: the united states and president trump did more to punish russia than the obama administration ever did. >> that is absolutely -- >> when most mercenaries came in and attacked us in syria, we didn't talk about it, we killed hundreds of them. the idea that trump is somehow soft on russia when he's done that, he expelled the diplomats, and if you don't want to have that region turned into war in the middle east, maybe you should talk to the other major power that is playing proxy where warfare -- we should go to russia because they put a few facebook ads calling hillary clinton stated? that is hardly the worst thing they have done. there is a lot bigger things in play. i think president trump and putin need to be face-to-face to talk about it. >> jason: you make a really good point, jim. the fact is that mercenaries went and attacked our forces. while our forces were in danger and they fought back against these russian mercenaries,

president trump is making nice with putin. it doesn't even make sense. it's not appropriate conduct. >> jason: one other breaking nes really troubling is that now we learned today that we are expelling russian formats but actually trump has said it's okay for them to come back. he's expelling visa 60 come about 60 more can come back. it's not even a punishment. he said nothing to push back. yes, that is the news today, jason. >> jason: one good thing i can tell you, the ambassador, u.s. ambassador to russia is jon huntsman, i served as his chief of staff and i do think we are in good hands here. i think both sides of the aisle would agree that they picked the right ambassador in russia. i i think you both for the biggt debate. i'm sure there will be more to discuss about it. the pc police have a brand-new target. we'll tell you which party parr history they are now seeking to erase. coming up next.

♪ >> jason: american history is on the chopping block again. first, the pc police pull down confederate statues across the country. now the california town of arcata is preparing to take down a nearly 9-foot tall statue of president mckinley because the federal government's treatment of native americans. more towns across america are poised to pull down statutes deemed similarly offensive. where does it stop? let's discuss this with urban game changer ceo and radio talk show host. i really appreciate you both being here today. ethan, i want to ask you first, why is it so important? why do you think they are trying to do this? why now on president mckinley? he doesn't have a whole lot of statues. why take this one down?

>> it's a great idea to take it down. we are bringing attention to the issue that the native americans have been abused and a near genocide was committed against them. we established treaties with them in 1868, 1869, and then immediately reneged, stolen, stalled and national resources from under them. william mckinley was the last of the presidents to openly steal land from the five civilized tribes. he was on the side of the timber company stealing from the ojibwe in my original home state of minnesota. yes, let's bring attention to the fact that we have never addressed all of the wrongs we have committed against the native americans. it's a perfect time to do it. >> jason: i think we have addressed at a long time. there have been a lot of wrongdoings. yes, we have. there is still a lot of wrongdoings against the native americans throughout their history. i would agree with that part of it. but tearing down the statue. is this the right thing to do? >> no, it's not the right thing to do. if you look at american history today, the killings that took place back in 1843-1873 was very

tragic. yet, we know that colonists came to california and they changed the history of california. history, the existence of history is based on pain, war, and triumph. we come under this administration, are making major standings. they sat down with the living president president donald trump and made changes in the summertime. what i'm tragic, they are saying that is irrelevant. we have slaughtering that just took place, killings that took place in sacramento with stephan clark. why aren't you talking about the black people that are being slaughtered today? a tribe of people that are still at war after 400 years. why are you talking about the 20 shots that shot and killed this man? you want to talk about the native americans? native americans, if you are not even native american, if you were, i have native american in me as well and i will tell you, focus on where we are. we need history to be shown and

to remember. you can't erase or eradicate what happens. what you can do is look at this thing and move through it. >> jason: ethan, where does the stop? i don't know that is going to write to the wrongs by tearing down a statue. i think you are missing the point of understanding the history, the code, the bad of it. tearing down the statue. what is it actually going to do for the native americans and where does this stop? >> there are two things. first up, the statue is being removed after -- is not being destroyed her mother down so it can be used for teaching history. nobody is trying to erase history. what we are trying to do is bring attention to the fact that in my lifetime, i was getting trained to be a foster parent of minnesota and madison i learned about the indian child where for act of 1978 because we were still stealing indian children in 1978. 2016, we are still addressing that issue. this is bringing attention to the wrongs that are still

happening to this day against native americans, i am all for it. by the way, to the other point, i talk about stephan clark on my radio show, too, the wrongs be committed to the african-american committee. community. >> jason: will this do anything to help the native american community by tearing down the statue? >> no. the native americans are thriving under this administration's. they have other things going on in their lives. these pc people want to pivot away from the real pain that is current and relevant in 2018. we have the slaughtering of african-american families, children, this young man was in his backyard, shot 20 times. he was slaughtered. that is the person -- that are the people you need to focus a . native american people are not complaining. you are not understanding that

black people in california are at war. are we not in war and california right now? are we not in more in the state right now? the sanctuary states right now are -- >> jason: thank you. listen, the plight of native americans is a serious one. you want to go to the most impoverished parts of our country, you go to some of these tribal areas and some of these reservations and you will see poverty unlike any other place in this country. i do hope we do address that. i don't think we will solve it by tearing down the statue. thank you both for being here. how do you play baseball with just one arm? piece of cake if you are as tough as this kid. you don't want to miss this amazing story, this kid will inspire you. you know what goes here... and your approval rating... goes here. test drive the ztrak z540r at your john deere dealer and learn why it's not how fast you mow,

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