grateful you spend your monday evening with us. good night from washington. we'll see you back here for "fox news @ night" tomorrow night, 11:00 p.m. eastern. i'm shannon bream. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight" ." a caravan of thousands of central americans, men, women, and children, is traveling across mexico tonight. authorities are speeding them to their destination, which is our country. they are not refugees. they have no legal right to come here and that is about the sum total of what we know about them. we don't know if they have skills that we need to come or they speak english,is or whether they are gang members. here's what they know, if they can cross the border into california, they are set. democratic politicians in that state will give them benefits

and from there, they can go anywhere in this country just like millions and millions before them. if you are wondering why america is nothing like the country you grew up in, this is why. anyone in power, will they do anything to protect them this time or will they sit back? over the weekend, earlier today, the presidentco sent a series of tweets that seems to reflect frustration. "act now, congress, our country is being stolen." to that official washington scoffed. how dare the leader of ourd. country have the right to determine who comes here. what are greatest. here is a former obama political appointee who now poses as a journalist over at cnn. watch. >> as often happens with issues like this, we enter a fact free zone. you've gotis to fact-check the president on this. first of all, you heard that fox newsan predicate, an army o" it is a caravan. the president tweeted there are

caravans, as if there are multiple groups of people storming the border. that is not true. it is one group. >> tucker: just a group of folks seeking asylum while pop a grant from the obama people pretended they were reporters. shut up, america. you have no right to complain. that is cnn's view, which means as the left view them as well. do voters agree? really think we have a moral obligation to admit every single person from around the world anytime who wantsim to come you? feed, house, educate them at our expense as our own middle-class dies? may be voters to think that. i guess we'll find out in the midterm elections. this will help to find those election. jessica vaughn's director of policy -- of studies, rather, at the study for immigration studies. jessica, thank you for coming on. when the obama guy at cnn describes them as a group of folks seeking asylum, where does that leave the united states? does that mean we can't do nothing about this? >> if they are seeking asylum, what they should be doing is

taking it in the first safe country that they come to, which is mexico in this case. but that is not what this is. this is a political stunt designedha to challenge the united states and particularly the trump administration. this is organized by activists. it's a walkathon for open borders. they know exactly what they are doing. they recruited these people to join this group, making their way to the united states. it's definitely a public relations stunt. it's a challenge to our sovereignty and the president needs to meet this challenge and not just carry on the way the obama administration did and welcome to them end. we don't need to accept their asylum applications. heck, they are being trained on how to commit asylum fraud. >> tucker: this is a thousand people. why would it be 100,000 or 300,000 people? the whole population of salvador? for two-thirds they don't

already live there? at some point that is going to happen because populations in poor countries are exploding. what exactly is our recourse when it does happen? what do we do to prevent that from happening exactly? >> that is why we have to prevented from happening now. there is a reason this has been building to this point since the obama administration essentially asylum and rules on since friendly judges stepped in detain kids.can't they can be used as deportation shields. one thing we could do is prevent them from getting to the united states and do as we have done in thee past and tell mexio we want toil come in and head ts off before they get our borders. we have a lot of leverage with mexico, particularly on migration issues. it's not their job to control our border. we can make it in their interest to help us prevent things like thiss from happening because, let's face it, mexico gets a lot more out of our bilateral

migration relationship than we do. we need to use that to leverage, may be kind of tired into nafta if we have to. but we don't need to just sit back and stand by while people take advantage of our lack of a secure border. >> tucker: 60,000 americans died last year because of drug ods and most of them came from mexico. they are affecting the movement of these people here. would it be possible to send the military to our border? why is this not a hostile act against our country? >> it is. it certainly should be taken that way. we could invoke emergency -- declare this is a immigration emergency that requires extraordinary measures. the federal government has a plan for how to deal with a mass migration emergency. reasonable for when the haitians boat people came. we sent the postcard --

coast guard out to intercept them. there are tools and authorities of the president has that can be brought to bear here, perhaps even work with the state of texas, depending on where they decide to try to make landfall in the united states. we can move money around. there are authorities, we can take advantage of. we can use our leverage with mexico.ge we don't have to sit back and wait for them to arrive. >> tucker: someone better be thinking this through right now. it's imminent. jessica, thank you. >> glad to be with you. >> tucker: and a of border angels joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. i understand that you are for more immigration into the country. i can't imagine you would support people walking across mexico and just showing up expecting to be let in. if that were to happen a lot, we would no longer be a country. what should we do with these people? >> mexico is not a hostile nation like you mentioned

earlier. >> tucker: of course it is. forget it isn't. the fact that these people are coming from central america is the same thing that has been going on since reagan interfered in the central american policies of the late '70s end '80s. these are people escaping violence, escaping hunger. they are looking for refuge and they are trying to give much of the country. when you have a border patrol spokesman like chris harris encouraging them to come, telling them, show up at the border andnd say asylum when you get in, that's a lie. that's not the way it works. it causes these people to flee. they are crossing, they think they will be able to get in. most will not be getting in. >> tucker: a i'm not really sure why you would feel an obligation to defend the government of mexico, which is abetting illegal immigration into our country, which b has been literallyy for years, trained people especially with documents that we have on how to get into those country illegally. i don't know why you would be flocking for them? i don't know what it's in for you. let's stop lying about it. mexico could stop it right now.

it's a long way from honduras to tijuana. they could stop this but they are not. this is an act of hostility. >> the thing is we allow free people to travel within the country as a lot of countries do in the world. i will defend mexico because you are lying. show me a document or the mexican government is training people, like you just said, to cross into the united states? the mexican government isn't doing that. are there people doing that? there may be. >> tucker: really? [laughs] i'm sorry. i win with superior knowledge. >> superior arrogance. i know you're from san diego -- >> tucker: the mexican government has given instructions to people. i've seen them with my own eyes, on how to get across the border. >> show the video of that. >> tucker: this group of people could be stopped anytime by the mexican government, which again you feel the need to make policies for, but they defend

people all the time in their country from central america, as you know. they are not detaining these people because they say they are going "del norte" ," but why should we accept them here? >> most undocumented people go elsewhere. they have no desire to come here. of the 200,000 undocumented people in the world today, the united states has 11 million. and that floww has shifted -- >> tucker: you are missing it. why should we pick any? there's a lot of people come here legally. >> there's no way for these people to come here legally. the united states interfering in the countries, the demand for the drugs, invading a sovereign land like a wreck from interfering in the civil wars of central america, that causes people to flee. >> tucker: our sins are the reason -- you hate america so if you are saying. it's interesting. you are blaming america for

illegal immigration into america. >> central america as part of america. mexico is part of the america. >> tucker: united states as a separate country that is not the same as honduras. one-third of all honduran el san citizens live here. >> stop taking their natural resources, stop invading the sovereign lands. >> donald trump come about guy is an embarrassment to the world. he sayss o they are coming for daca. daca ended -- people had to have been here by 2012. donald trump doesn't know what he's talking about. >> tucker: i'm not asking your opinions on trump. i'm not interested. hold on. the policies that affect all of us as americans, and you are saying that hondurans have a right to come here because we take the natural resources of honduras is somehow? can you be a lot more specific? >> absolutely. the invasion of the united states of sovereign lands, whether it was the

interference in south america with the reagan administration -- >> tucker: what did we do with honduras? >> have you heard of iran contra? the united states is the number one consumer of natural resources from other countries? >> tucker: and honduras? these people are coming here to punish us from bad things that we did in honduras. are you are representative of people on the left? is everyone this dumb?b? what are you talking about? >> we may take from sovereign lands, they should be a more welcoming nation and they are a. >> tucker: i just want to have a rational conversation. >> yeah, we should have a good conversation. >> tucker: get back to me when you can explain what we did to honduras. first they came for confederate generals and how no statute is saved, even a statue dedicated to a an american president.

the story next. ♪ on investment products, fisher investments avoids them. some advisers have hidden and layered fees. fisher investments never does. and while some advisers are happy to earn commissions from you whether you do well or not, fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. maybe that's why most of our clients come from other money managers. fisher investments. clearly better money management. we know that when you're spending time with the grandkids every minute counts. and you don't have time for a cracked windshield. that's why we show you exactly when we'll be there. saving you time, so you can keep saving the world. >> kids: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace ♪

we are the tv doctors of america, and we may not know much about medicine, but we know a lot about drama. from scandalous romance, to ridiculous plot twists. (gasping) son? dad! we also know you can avoid drama by getting an annual check-up. so we're partnering with cigna to remind you to go see a real doctor. go, know, and take control of your health. it could save your life. doctor poses! dad! cigna. together, all the way. dad! doespeninsula trail?he you won't find that on a map. i'll take you there. take this left. if you listen real hard you can hear the whales. oop. you hear that? (vo) our subaru outback lets us see the world. sometimes in ways we never imagined. (avo) get 0% apr financing on all-new 2018 subaru outback models.

now through april 2nd.

♪ >> tucker: or whatever else you want to see about the left, they are not like the right to pray they don't sit around and talk about stuff forever, they just do it right or wrong. they move quick. last year the left targeted the last remaining confederate statues for demolition. therehe was no vote. they got awayy with that, of course. they picked a new target. any statue that defense anybody in power. in narcotic, california, a statue of william mckinley is going to be torn down on the

grounds that he pursued policies harmful to native americans. of course he did. so did abraham lincoln. so we await lincoln's monuments dynamiting, not really. you never know. a member of the city council joins us tonight.e paul, thanks for coming on. >> you are welcome. >> tucker: i'm not for tearing statues down without a flood but of all statues you could tear down, why mckinley? >> is the only one we got. >> tucker: [laughs] okay. good answer. but here you have a guy who joined the union army at 18 to fight the confederacy, spent years in battle. i don't think his reputation as a particular cruel guy. he himself was a victim of gun violence, as you know. why are you picking on him? >> i think if you look at all the stuff about him, you just mentioned a couple of things. there is tons of other stuff about this guy.

when you take the totality of everything that he was responsible for and what happened during his presidency, you look at it and you go, okay, positive, negative. if today i was out for that statue is a city councilman, i would say, no thank you. basically, i'm correcting 112-year-old error of judgment. >> tucker: i don't know if that is your place. you didn't put the statue ther. are you having a townwide vote on this? >> here's what's happening. the city council, 112 years or so ago, decided to put it there, and the city council has the power to remove it. if indeed citizens don't want that to happen, we have a referendum and initiatives here in california that happens constantly and so it can be simply, a thousand signatures, and be on the ballot. >> tucker: why don't you let them vote anyway? i just wonder how you would feel, let's say there is a

statue of you, i hope there never is but let's say there was, how would you like to be assessed on every bad thing you did? i'm sure you've done good things. i'm positive you've drawn some bad things, i can tell. how would you like it if people said, we got to tear the statue down? shouldn't we be more forgiving amount of people? >> let me say this. i don't think any human being deserves a statue. we are all equals. i think it is a mistake to put statues up fort humans. statue of liberty, it works because that is not a human. as a replica. or a stylized person. when you put up a human, you are always going to have a problem, no matter what human, whether it's mussolini or whoever. it's a problem. >> tucker: i have to say, iob wasn't expecting you to say that. you are winning me over a little bit of that argument because i think that's actually true. we shouldn't be worshiping politicians, even the good ones are not that good. i kind of agree.

i'm sure we don't agree on anything other than that. i don't think that's a dumb point at all. kind of an islamic point but still a good point. since his dad she upp there, and no one living made the decision to put it there, you have to make an affirmative decision to take it down. by doing that, aren't you reallv saying, you know, his sins outweigh the good things that he did? he was a good president. he fought against slavery. can we ask anymore? by the way, he was a victim of gun violence. shouldn't that giveen him a pas? >> you know, i totally see the good points and i see the bad points and i come as an elected official, a representative of the people in the town, i have to say, go deep inside and look at what would i do if i was faced with this any other time. 13 years ago, it came before us before. we didn't have a majority, so it

stayed. this time, 13 years later, came up again, we had a majority, and so areso a voted for it to leav. >> tucker: have you guys i loved all the problems in your town other than this? is it literally a utopia? >> hey, look, nobody solves all the problems. >> tucker: but you have no crimeso and nobody is ever doube parked? no one's ever got divorced? you know what i mean? no one chooses microwave burritos over brussel sprouts.ru you've got it all figured out so in your spare time, you will tear down the mckinley statue. is that is what is going on? 's big an opinion. as a city councilman, i have to cover every thing. this is just one item. i don't like wasting a lot of time on it. it has come to us before. it came before i even lived her here. this issue. it's like, okay. let's stop wasting time on it. i'm willing to take the freight. i will make the decision to make

that motion to move that thing so that we can be done with it and move on and to not waste anymore time. so, yeah, i really don't like wasting time about it. >> tucker: okay. i disagree with you but i do think you make a good point about not worshiping people. i'm with you on that. councilman, thank you. >> you're welcome. thanks for having me. >> tucker: jason nichols is professor at the university of maryland and he joins us tonight. professor, thanks a lot for coming on. >> thank you. >> tucker: unless you agree with the professor i just talked to who, i actually think makes a good point, we should and ought to be naming things after people especially living politicians, whether it's kennedy, killed a woman, robert byrd, any of these politicians should not be allowed to name things after them. i agree with that. but mckinley? really? why is he so sinful? >> if you look at his history, he did some things in terms of what he did with the indigenous people,ge taking their land,

giving it to white settlers. breaking up their autonomy. so i think he has some issues in his past. at the same time, i think it's important for us, and it's interesting, this discussion, i think i'm going to play the republican here. and say that you had a city council, a local group, who has made a decision for their community, that is what they are elected to do. and yet we come when you here in our shirts and ties in washington will sit here and told him that what they did was wrong and question them. >> tucker: i feel totally empowered to pass judgment on decisions that governments make. >> local government that you have no -- >> tucker: i'm allowed to have a view on that and i do pray just because a government is small doesn't mean it doesn't make terrible decisions. i'm not that kind of d d conservative that thinks that -- there's a lot of tierney that takes place in city councils. i've seen edge. but here is the point i'm makin

making. we are retroactively judging people selectively, so you wouldn't have any problem with a monument to the cherokees and the trail of tears i would assume because they are an oppressed people but they brought their slaves with us, their african-american slaves. i'm not attacking the cherokees. i am merely pointing out that history is a lot more complicated than we pretend that it is. you know that, of course, as a professor. why are we not pretending that everything is in stark black and white and there are good people and bad people and there is no black and white? >> the key thing is that we need to havene a dialogue about the totality of what they have done. i'm just saying, and this particular case, at the most important point to me is that activists say that they are going to raise the $55,000 that it takes to remove the statue. it's not even going to be a burden upon the taxpayers. it's going to be housed somewhere. they have a veterans -- >> tucker: it's just your classic red guard nonsense where we destroy the past thinking

that they will create the future. it's so stupid. >> tucker: tucker, that's not a reflection of the past -- the past still exists. they will move it indoors, like i said, with the confederate statues. >> tucker: nobody is actually offended by this. >> tucker: that's not true. there is a native american community 20 miles south of this town that said that they don't like seeing this statue. >> tucker: we will talk to one of them tomorrow. i try to respect people's opinions. but taking down the statue will not improve the life of a single person in that community, as you know. let me ask you this. as long as we are using these criteria, why do we have an fdr memorial here a in washington, after he literally put an internment camp for people on the basis of their skin color? >> in living memory. some of those people in the camps were still alive. this was not 300 years ago, it was 80 years ago. >> i think you are trying to make anen argument that i'm not

making, you are trying to figure a debate on the point that i'm not making. what i'm saying here is, just like people may be offended by certain things in certain communities, i don't think we should necessarily force it upon that community to have that statue, if they want to remove it. >> tucker: i'm not forcing it on this town. i also think that the marijuana use is so high in that town that i'm not sure that they will get it together take the statue down. i'm betting on that. the principle here that is worth talking about, how do we assess figures out of our past? to reimpose the values of the present moment, the transitory values that we have at this very moment come on people retroactively or do we take a broader view and say, a lot of people were heroic. cesar chavez for example, beat up illegal aliens. i don't know. i think he was a net positive forto the state of california ad

is labor organizing. you see what i'm saying? why distort history from political reason? >> here's what i believe. why can't we take this mckinley statue and put it somewhere we can have a dialogue about what he represented to him about the good and the bad? >> tucker: nobody knows anything about mckinley. >> in the museum, that is where people can learn. >> tucker: nobody cares about learning history. figure that's the problem. >> tucker: is a huge problem. i bet you can't find 15 people in america who can tell me ten things william mckinley did. i honestly think that's true. including the people -- >> tucker: i think the people in california can tell you that. >> tucker: i don't believe that. we are talking to one tomorrow. i will sit here in silence, as you tell me, facts about william mckinley and i bet that will be the the shortest conversation ever aired on television. professor, thank you. >> think you you, tucker. >> tucker: it's time for mark steyn, he joins with his take on my mexican caravan and the demolition of the mckinley statue, an unlikely villain.

mark joins us next. for leisure. so i go national, where i can choose any available upgrade in the aisle - without starting any conversations- -or paying any upcharges. what can i say? control suits me. go national. go like a pro. you wouldn't accept from any one else. so why accept it from your allergy pills? most pills don't finish the job because they don't relieve nasal congestion. flonase allergy relief is different. flonase relieves sneezing, itchy, watery eyes and a runny nose, plus nasal congestion, which pills don't. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. and 6 is greater than 1. start your day with flonase for more complete allergy relief.

flonase. this changes everything. hey, sir lose-a-lot! thou hast the patchy beard of a pre-pubescent squire! thy armor was forged by a feeble-fingered peasant woman... your mom! as long as hecklers love to heckle, you can count on geico saving folks money. boring! fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. ♪ (daniel jacob) for every hour that you're idling in your car, you're sending about half a gallon of gasoline up in the air. that amounts to about 10 pounds of carbon dioxide every week (malo hutson) growth is good, but when it starts impacting our quality of air and quality of life, that's a problem. so forward-thinking cities like sacramento are investing in streets that are smarter and greener.

the solution was right under our feet. asphalt. to be more precise, intelligent asphalt. by embedding sensors into the pavement, as well as installing cameras on traffic lights, we will be able to analyze the flow of traffic. then that data runs across our network, and we use it to optimize the timing of lights, so that travel times are shorter. who knew asphalt could help save the environment? ♪

>> tucker: with well a >> tucker: a caravan from central america is walking through mexico tonight. they are seeking to be left into this country. they are demanding it actually play the presidentdi said he dislikes that idea so of course he's been being called a white supremacist. >> migrant army. it's an army, it speaks to an invasion of brown people, right,

from central america. >> easter board and be easter without a little brown scare right after his happy easter tot after immigrants. >> tucker: the first one was a man who works at cnn, a political appointee for barack obama not pretending to be a journalist. mark steyn joins us tonight. mark, i guess the point but the left is making is that we have no right under any circumstances to deny people entry when they come here, doesn't matter who they are, where they are from, what skills they have. itre doesn't matter. we have to let the men. is that the position? >> yeah, basically. what is wacky about this to me, tucker, as i understand it, basically half the illegal immigrant population, including these 1100 people or whatever it will be up to by the time they actually hit the rio grande, about half the illegals in this country came here since 9/11. in other words, they've broke

into a country that is supposedly an orange alert. we are told we are on orange alert. it's a law-abiding person's going to an american airport, ty are forked outca all the time. "be advised, the security coating for today is such and such." as they in town, 1100 people have announced they will walk into the country, and the united states government puts up his hands and says there's nothing to do with stop it. what the point is the orange alert? why are 300 million law-abiding americans shoveling shoeless through the airports like a bovine herd if any of the six and a half billion people who aren't american around the planet can just walk across the rio grande are take a flat bottom boat and walk into the country? what isio the point of orange alert? >> tucker: what's the point of a government? the point is we are the problem.

one of our guests earlier told us, as cnn told us, we are the problem, actually. these are the virtuous ones trying to get in. we are the impediment to their progress. shut up, a america, and obey. >> you know, he probably doesn't know it. there was a french novel published 45 years ago, "the camp of the scenes." a lot of people on the left don't like it. it actually predicted what happened before our eyes. a bunch of people got on a shift in india and sailed for the south of france and all the media commented, "what's the big deal about this, we are the sinful ones, we are the ones who have the stain of all the wickeddismsic, imperialism, colonialism, or racism, what the men and they will redeem us." >> tucker: do you ever get the impression that you've been softened up for this exact moment? you have no moralof standard,

you're not allowed to give your opinion, basically so we get to the moment where you can just be told to step aside? let people come in and your place? >> i think that's largely what it is, in fact. that is why i always pay great attention to the left's assault on language. someone just said, oh, those of us who oppose this are anti-immigrant. actually, i'm an immigrant. it's a rather boring thing to be because it involves going to government offices and filling in paperwork. the left has appropriated that turn so now it effectively it means ania army of people who don't bother with paperwork, who simply, as your first guest said, simply from being in poor, impoverished companies countrie resources the united states has pillaged supposedly, they have the virtuous right you just walk into the country. >> tucker: so why should we

care that a statute to president william mckinley, a victim of gun violence by the way, is about to be torn down in northern california? it feelsn like one of those things that is worth paying attention to. why is it? >> i think it's worth paying attention to because it shows that when you hand the left a victory, they move onto the next thing. richch lowry, the editor of "national review" he said on fox news last year, he did not feel excited about defending robert e. lee and jefferson davis, but you can bet your bottom dollar if they comeso afr washington onto lincoln, he'll be right there defending those guys. they are now actually tearing down statues of american presidents, of a guy who took a bullet for his country. once you hand them the first victory, they simply move onto the next one. and you know what is interesting to me, tucker? obama, when he was talking about what he looked for in his judges, said the quality of

empathy. empathy requires us to be able to understand human beings in the age in which they lived. you are not tearing down a statue of mckinley. you're tearing down the representation of all the americans who voted for him, agreed with him, supported him. you are in fact disowning your own history and saying, i'm just going to live in a hyper disconnected from my past. >> tucker: i knew you could explain it better than anyone i've ever met. that is exactly right. that is what bothered me about it. thank you for articulating thatr i appreciate it. if. >> tucker: thanks a lot, tucker. >> tucker: america's military presence in syria could be coming to an end but some people are upset at the prospect of that. one of them drawing just in a minute. there is no video of something pretty amazing shot by a passenger on a commercial airliner just the other day. it's actually unbelievable. we are not going to describe it. we will let you decide what you

think and we'll show it to you in a minute. ♪ how do you win at business? stay at la quinta. where we're changing with stylish make-overs. then at your next meeting, set your seat height to its maximum level. bravo, tall meeting man. start winning today. book now at lq.com

start winning today. and i'm terry ware. and this is our sears hometown store. we always wanted to raise our family in a small tight-knit hometown community. when the opportunity to own a sears hometown store became available we jumped at it. and ever since, we've been a family owned business. our customers keep coming back because they know they can trust us. we're part of their community. we don't work for sears. we own this place. we work for you. ♪

♪ >> tucker: president trump announced last week that american troops could be leaving syria in the near future, alerting the rest of the country that there were american troops in syria, most people had no idea. he says now that isis's territory has been overrun, we can leave. in washington, this was very controversial. the prospect of american troops leaving it's another combat theater on the other side of the world come people don't like that. the heritage foundation's vice president for foreign policy joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. >> you about. >> tucker: you would think, the president, i will say in his defense, he says we want to. i beach isis. he did that. can we declare victory?

>> it depends. what is our interest in syria? first of all, it's not about a peaceful syria. we don't care about them. they've been our enemies forever. what does it matter? we don't care about syria per se. what do we care about? one, we take isis, what would hate happening is that we walk away and they come back to reoccupy prey that would be bad. we don'tra want to rack in jordn to be destabilized. we would hate if that spilled over. we don't want israel and iran to come to had because iran would love to drive a superhighway and come off the other end. we also don't want to have a huge humanitarian on steroids through all these millions of refugees in western europe, destabilizing. we don't want these things to happen. we should come out of syria. but the question is, we need to come out in a way that those problems don't come back and bite as. >> tucker: what you just said,

which i think reflects the view of a lot of people, undergirding it are two assumptions. one, we have an obligation to defend all those countries. two, that our presence is inherently destabilizing rather than destabilizing and i don't see any evidence of that. >> absolutely. what we have done has created a wedge that keeps those problems from spinning out of control. the syrians are not excavating millions of people and sending them on the road. israel and iran aren't shooting at each e other. jordan is holding together. jordan iser a keystone state tht really helps keep the region together. iraq is holding together. and isis was utterly crushed in record time. >> tucker: that's great. but we are also in a position to be held hostage because we do have 2,000 troops there. one of whom was just killed the other day, no press coverage here at all. i wonder how his family feels about that. it made me sad to read it. we've killed about 200 russians. we killed 200 russians.

why in the world would we ever want to be involved in anything like that? >> we don't want to. what we want is a region that doesn't fall apart and creates bigger problems. that is the only issue, you want a policy that doesn't do what barack obama did, which is, say, declare victory and walk away and then what happens is all the problems, you have a bigger problem than when you started. if you remember -- >> tucker: did obama not being engaged in the region was the reason there was a syrian civil war? >> nolle. but because the way we pulled our troops out of iraq and when we did in the way we leave the politics to unravel and interace problem of syria to destabilize iraq, which created a caliphate, and attracted tens of thousands of foreign fighters from all over the region. we are worried about these foreign fighters -- >> tucker: quick, why should i think assad is bad? >> i don't --

>> tucker: are not for him, i don't -- >> let's be clear. he is a bad come a genocidal dictator. do we care? is that our problem? ack actually don't think so. what we care about is our interest. >> tucker: you don't think we are being used at all? the whole golf would like us to be deeply involved because they are worried about iran. we seem to be doing a bit and hear a little bit. >> for example, the way this administration did a rock and roll devices, we didn't put tens of thousands of troops back in. we put a modicum of force back in. we had people on ground doing it. other people doing bad things fact off. i think there is a middle ground between doing nothing and walking away and letting the house burned down. and doing the next vietnam war. >> tucker: when lindsey graham says it's a disaster -- >> then you should be suspicious because lindsey graham said that. you know he's wrong. >> tucker: 100% of the time, almost on purpose, almost if you want to know what time it is,

ask them and it's the opposite time. >> makes no sense for the united states to be in syria forever.n totally with you. love to walk away. how we walk away really matters. >> tucker: you are making me feel better. thank you. good to see you. amazon has become so ubiquitous even the pentagon is dependent on them all of a sudden to store their classified data, your classified data. the story is next, part one of our weekly series, tech tierney. stay with us. [ engine revving ] take me to her! ♪ coming, flo! why aren't we taking roads?! flo. [ horn honking ] -oh. you made it. do you have change for a dollar? -this was the emergency? [ engine revving ] yes, i was busy! -24-hour roadside assistance. from america's number-one motorcycle insurer. -you know, i think you're my best friend. you don't have to say i'm your best friend. that's okay. you don't have to say i'm your best friend.

are finding themselves morin a chevroletple for the first time. trying something new can be exciting. empowering. downright exhilarating. see for yourself why chevrolet is the most awarded and fastest growing brand, the last four years overall. switch into a new chevy now. current qualified competitive owners and lessees can get this 2018 chevy equinox for around $199 a month. chevrolet. find new roads.

♪ >> tucker: every night this week we'll be bringing you a piece of our series, teck tyranny. we are o covering the ways that powerful tech companies are dominating american life in aay way that has never happened before in american history. most people are ignoring it.

they shouldn't be. it's changing everything. amazon's power over data is so great now that even the u.s. military is seeking their help. within a few weeks, the defense department is expected to request a $10 billion contract that will allow amazon toeq bece the sole provider of cloud computing services to the military. what does this mean? a story we want to ignore. a fellow with citizens against citizens against monopoly joins us tonight. matt, this is one of those stories, like a lot of stories right now, kind of passing people buy. no one is stopping to say, what is this? what are the implications? let me ask. what is this and what are the implications? >> this is what the pentagon calls a potential revolution and what how they by information technology. as the heart of everything right now, including war. this is a decision by the pentagon or potential decision by the pentagon to do something very unusual, which is to not have multiple suppliers of a key resource that they rely on, in this case data, and they are

handing over an important bottleneck of our national security to jeff bezos and amazon. that is something that should be very concerning to people because jeff bezos has relationships, amazon has relationships all over the world with all sorts of entities that could have a reason to manipulate and undermine american national security interests and even if they don't, even if amazon does a great job and we have no other redundant cloud computing services, last year, because of a typo in an amazon data center, a whole bunch of websites, 150,000 websites went on, including d pinterest, slack, ebert in the securities and exchange commission. it is a really dangerous thing to award a contract over such a vital resource to one company. the pentagon needs to split this among multiple cloud computing' companies. >> tucker: a company that has relationships with foreign governmentss that we don't fully

understand, as you pointed out. this seems nuts. why would we do this? why would the pentagon do this? >> it's like a bad movie plot or something like that. what is the first thing you're going to do if you get into a war withet united states states? you would undermine the pentagon's ability to access its data. if there is only one provider of data, if it's a just amazon, its much easier to do that than if you have multiple sources of supply. it is just basic national security strategy. i am not exactly sure what the pentagon is thinking. i think they are probably multiple power centers that are thinking about this. they might believe that ifif you award it all to one company, they will have the best security. if there is penetration there, all therr eggs are in one baske. there's different arguments for why you would award a contract like this to one company but it's probably a bad idea and it's contrary to the long history of american national security policy. >> tucker: has any company had more power in the history of this country or any other

country than amazon or google ever? >> it's a really good question. i think you could potentially look at standard oil in the 1880s and 1890s. but they didn't have the ability to profile individuals, to manipulate individuals and individual companies the way that jeff bezos and the way that larry page does. so it's hard to say. this is crazy. >> tucker: they could control your energy but they had no control over your mind. it seems the big difference to me. matt, thank you for paying attention to this. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: our series teck tyranny will continue every night this week.we and again and again and again because it is worth investigating the growing and dangerous powers of big tech because nobody else's. up next, something very odd was spotted by a passenger on a commercial plane, over the mediterranean the other day. we'll show you the video and you can decide what yourself you think it is.s. it is amazing. ♪

you're trying to lower your very hwith a healthy diet... and exercise. and maybe even, unproven fish oil supplements. not all omega-3s are clinically proven or the same. discover prescription omega-3 vascepa. the one that's this pure... and fda approved. look. vascepa looks different... because it is different. it's pure epa. vascepa, along with diet, is clinically proven to lower very high triglycerides by 33% in adults,

without raising bad cholesterol. that's pure power. proven to work. vascepa is not right for everyone. do not take vascepa if you are allergic to icosapent ethyl or any inactive ingredient in vascepa. tell your doctor if you are allergic to fish, have liver problems... or other medical conditions and about any medications you take, especially those that may affect blood clotting. 2.3% of patients reported joint pain. it's clear. there's only one vascepa. ask your doctor about pure epa prescription vascepa. ♪ we know that when you're >> tspending time with thelass grandkids... ♪ music >> tech: ...every minute counts. and you don't have time for a cracked windshield. that's why at safelite, we'll show you exactly when we'll be there. with a replacement you can trust. all done sir. >> grandpa: looks great! >> tech: thanks for choosing safelite. >> grandpa: thank you! >> child: bye! >> tech: bye! saving you time... so you can keep saving the world. >> kids: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace ♪

the wonderful thing about polident is the fact that it's very, very tough on bacteria, yet it's very gentle on the denture itself. polident's 4 in 1 cleaning system consists of 4 powerful ingredients that work together to deep clean your denture in hard to reach places. it kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria and it helps to remove stains. polident should be the first choice of every person that wears a denture,

to clean their denture. of every person that wears a denture, so allstate is giving us money back on our bill. well, that seems fair. we didn't use it. wish we got money back on gym memberships. get money back hilarious. with claim-free rewards. switching to allstate is worth it.

♪ ♪ >> tucker: one of those stories people are too embarrassed to cover because o so we are going to. it's weird but it's true. a passenger aboard a commercial airline flight the other day recorded footage of a strange thing in the air. take a look at this, recorded over the aegean sea near greece. it shows a dark objecthe maneuvering in a very odd way through the sky, spouting what seems to be smoke. the man who found it believes it is similar to a scene over switzerland. that is absolutely bizarre. there aren't even any good guesses as to what that might be. authorities, of course, haven't weighed in on this, as they haven't weighed in on many of these videos. doesn't mean that there isn't an obvious explanation for it. it just means that no one has come forward with one and that tells you a lot.

we've got more videos like this. we will bring them to you in the future weeks. that is about it for us tonight. tune in every night at 8:00 to the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. have a terrific night. sean hannity is next. hey, sean. >> katie: thank you, tucker. welcome to the special edition of "hannity." america's illegal immigration crisis. i'm katie pavlich in for sean. tonight, for the hour, we'llpe focus on the growing problem that our country's leaders have failed to address for decades. president trump is trying to fix these repeated failures by pushing forward border walls and stricter immigration laws, while liberals are openly defying hiss administration and the federal government. california, of course, is leading the way by fully embracing its sanctuary state status but cracks are starting to show. some california counties and municipalities are pushing back against a state of lawlessness. we will cover all of that later tonight but first, we start with president trump slamming mexico for not doing enough to prevent caravans of asylum seeking