>> the sun is not up when i'm up. >> you did not go back for any more coffee today. that's good. >> maybe i'll have a normal sleep schedule tonight. i'll see you tomorrow. >> see you tomorrow day three. we have to roll. have a great day. bye. >> jon: we begin with a fox news alert at any moment now new york's attorney general is expected the announce a major challenge to the trump administration. new york leading a multi-state lawsuit to block the white house from putting a citizenship question on the 2020 census. census data is used to determine the federal funding and congressional representation each state gets at least a dozen states argue that adding the question could lead to an inaccurate count which would lower the amount of funding they receive. in the meantime the trump administration is looking to clear up court back logs and also speed up deportations by

setting quotas for federal judges to hit. >> they work on legislation aimed at closing loopholes in the current immigration laws the president urging republicans to use the nuclear option if necessary to get tougher immigration policies pointing to a caravan of over 1,000 people as an example of how our laws have failed. >> good morning. the white house putting pressure on mexico leaning on the government to stop that caravan of central american migrants headed to the united states by now linking the issue to nafta negotiations. the president tweeting this morning the big caravan of people coming from honduras coming across mexico and heading to our weak laws border had better be stopped before it gets there. cash cow nafta is in play as is foreign aid to honduras and

countries that allow this to happen. congress must act now. the president calling on congress to pass measures to toughen up immigration. those measures include tightening law to make amnesty claims more difficult to make. a large belief that many of these migrants headed to the united states will make an amnesty claim when they get to our side of the border. the measures would end protections for children arriving without parents to allow them to be more easily be sent back and allow family units to be detained longer while their cases are adjudicated. president trump has long complained about the u.s. immigration program of catch and release. he wants those families held in detention while their cases are adjudicated before they are removed from the united states. because a lot of these families just disappear into the fabric of society rather than appearing for their immigration hearings. the president driving the point home with a tweet last night saying as ridiculous as it

sounds, the laws of our country don't allow us to those crossing the southern border back to where they came from. mexico and canada have tough immigration laws. ours are an obama joke. act, congress. at the same time the department of justice is imposing new quotas on immigration judges to help clear up a huge backlog of immigration cases. judges will now be required to complete 700 cases per year, about three per day, in order to receive a satisfactory evaluation. the department of justice also implementing new timetables to speed up the ajudd indication of immigration cases. the backlog is enormous. 650,000 people currently in the system and only 350 judges to adjudicate those cases. each judge has a caseload of 2,000 people with more, of course, coming in every day.

the union representing the judges is strongly opposed to the imposition of quotas. it is vowing to fight this order from the department of justice. also this morning the president continues his war against amazon and the idea that they aren't paying their fair share of taxes and as the president says, taking advantage of the u.s. postal service to deliver packages at a loss for the postal service. the president taking on amazon this morning and the postal service to some degree saying i am right about amazon costing the united states post office massive amounts of money for being their delivery boy. amazon should pay these costs and not have them born by the american taxpayers. the president constant attacks against amazon yesterday led to a sell-off in the tech sector in the stock market leaving the market down some 500 points yesterday. things appear to be heading

back in positive direction today. >> you cover so much ground. we'll cover those issues later in the show. fascinating to see how openly the president talks about immigration and trade all in one tweet and many tweets, really. >> speaking of covering a lot of ground. 11 acres, feels like the open range of texas when it comes to the number of issues we're covering. >> jon: the trump administration saying it's open to a meeting between president trump and vladimir putin. this comes amid escalating tensions between the two countries after 60 russian diplomats were expelled from the u.s. after a nerve agent attack of a russia spy on british soil. the white house says a face-to-face meetings is in the works and the president confirmed on march 20th hours after his last call with president putin the two had discussed a bilateral meeting

in the not too distant future at a number of venues including the white house. we have nothing further to add at this time. here to discuss the possible political implications a reporter for the associated press. tom, thank you for being on with us today. interesting on the timing of all of this. the president apparently extended this invitation in the phone call he made to congratulate vladimir putin on his reelection victory. that's a phone call that even some of the president's closest aides didn't want him to make. what about the invitation itself? what's the feeling at the white house about that? >> the sense is look this phone call as we recall where it said block letters the advice from his staff was quote do not congratulate. he did anyway. also the latest surprise coming out of this is that there was a possible invitation involved in that. one of the interesting things about this and true of the trump white house overall, sometimes you have to watch

what the president does but you also have to keep an eye on what the administration is doing as well. they aren't always the same thing. you recall this comes as you pointed out the exact same time that they are expelling 60 diplomats out of the seattle russian embassy because of the nerve attack on the former spy who had relocated to britain. again, trump's words, the president's words, his actions not always in concert with the administration's words and actions. >> jon: vladimir putin hasn't visited the oval ofls since 2005 in the bush 43 administration. what does he get out of this potential visit, putin? >> well, a lot of geo politics to consider. they're still engaged in syria. this has been a talking point among a number of trump allies and supporters that there should be coordination between russia and the united states to

figure that out. a lot has changed since then. just about a month ago now almost two months ago we heard from the special counsel robert mueller in an indictment that he had evidence that 13 -- he indicted 13 russian individuals, russian nationals working with the internet research agency under the guidance of a putin -- they had interfered in the 2016 election. this is a different time than 2005. just last night we saw a new filing from mueller in which there is a declassified memo in there that says rob rosenstein, the deputy attorney general overseeing the investigation had cleared the way for mueller to look into potential collusion between then trump campaign chairman paul manafort and the kremlin. so there is a lot that has changed. this is not 2005.

it doesn't appear to be a friendly putin we're dealing with. >> jon: it is fascinating to watch this white house deal with the russia question. some tough action on the other hand and this invitation on the other. it will be interesting. we'll keep an eye on it. thank you. >> just in we're expecting the first sentencing shortly in the russia investigation. dutch national alex van der zwaan pleading guilty to lying to federal investigators about his work in campaign with paul manafort and rick gates. he has no known ties to the trump campaign but the special counsel alleges he and gates held talks with a business associate who was a former russian intelligence officer in the final months of the 2016 campaign. during that time frame. he is in federal court right now and could be sentenced to up to five years in prison. >> jon: right now many schools

in oklahoma are closed for a second day as the thousands of teachers there protest for higher pay and more classroom resources. in kentucky yesterday teachers rallied at the state capitol after the legislature passed changes to teachers' pensions. >> we aren't an afterthought. we aren't something that you can put at the bottom of the bucket. we aren't something that you can put lobbyists over. we're the future. our students are the future and they need to find the future. >> jon: the protest inspired by west virginia teachers. now arizona teachers are demanding a 20% salary increase and considering going on strike. >> all eyes on wall street as the dow rebounds. whether market volatility is here to stay. >> i thought i was going to die. i didn't.

>> a very lucky teenager rescued after falling into a drainage ditch and getting stuck there for over 12 hours on easter sunday. president trump stepping up the fight over illegal immigration calling out mexico over a caravan of refugees heading for the u.s. border. how that group is responding ahead. >> let's make sure if they come to the u.s. border they're able to go through the full and fair process of seeking asylum if that's what they want.

>> jon: the teenager who fell 25 feet into a drainage ditch is talking about his near death experience. 13-year-old jesse hernandez trapped for more than 12 hours in a cold, dark and toxic sewer pipe as crews in los angeles raced to rescue him. he was trapped in knee deep water moving so father around him he feared he wouldn't make it. >> i fell in, the water pushed

me. i stood up and then i just stayed in this hole. it was dark. i couldn't see anything. i thought i was going to die. i didn't. >> jon: hernandez was later released from the hospital. he is doing well and says he is very happy to be home with his family. >> molly: fox news alert. good news from wall street. the dow bouncing back after yesterday's nose-dive fueled by fears of a trade war and president trump's attack on amazon. should investors be worried about so much volatility? >> we are humming along and we're about to enter an earnings period we expect corporate earnings to be up 16 1/2%. i'm positive on this economy and where we are now. longer term you are looking at fundamentals that are solid. >> molly: she is not worried.

check it out. the green arrow pointing up. a little bit of a rebound. let's bring in the chair of the program for business and finance at the king's college in new york city. maria has good thoughts. >> she is watching the earnings not the headlines. the fundamentals are good. corporate earnings will be up big and it will be good news for investors. the headlines are talking about china and trade. are we going to get a trade war? i think they're overblown on the headlines. you look at china and the u.s. both of them want a deal. their responses have been moderate to each other looking to find an agreement they can take to their constituents and say we've done something good on trade. let's move on. i have think you'll see this a little bit in the days to come if they can reach a deal quickly. >> molly: a lot of people thought hein china's prediction.

apples, pork, wide ranging list and the president going aggressively after amazon tweeting about this. he said i'm right about amazon costing the united states post office massive amounts of money for being their delivery boy. amazon should pay the costs and not have them born by the american taxpayers. he has taken credit in the past when the market has done well. does he take the blame when you see a dive? >> he is responsible there with amazon. he is actually going after the post office as much as he is going after amazon. when this all settles you are more likely to see a change for the postal service how they do business than you'll see a change for amazon. it's something the president and congress can do something about. the president is shaking things up with the rhetoric. the market has to get used to a president talking about what is happening in the marketplace. reality is there is not a lot he can do when it comes to

amazon's business practices but something he can do about the postal service. >> molly: a lot of calls for better efficiency there. he has talked about immigration a lot and tying in trade with that issue. another tweet the big caravan of people from honduras coming across mexico and heading to our weak laws border had better be stopped before it gets there. cash cow nafta is in play and foreign aid to honduras and countries that allow this to happen. congress must act now. not just the countries need to act and do something but congress as well. he is calling out a wide range of folks and nafta in play. >> you bring this back to what is happening in the stock market here. this is where the uncertainty comes in. is nafta in jeopardy? could that change? if that changes that would have a huge effect on our economy. you have to parse the president's words and what he does on trade he always talks

big but he brings it back so a deal can happen. i think again with daca and immigration he is looking for a deal not a trade war. >> molly: at the same time he has taken these historic actions, tariffs off steel and aluminum. a bold move. >> look at the fine print. he comes out with a 10% tariff. he has backed off on all those tariffs except on chain ya. he is trying to play ball. china's response, yes, $130 billion of u.s. exports to china, 2% of our exports. these are moderate moves even though the headlines suggest they are big. folks at the table here want to make a deal. that's the key takeaway. investors are seeing that in the stock market's reaction today. >> molly: it will be watched throughout the day. thank you for joining us here today. we appreciate it. >> jon: the deadline is fast approaching for president

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and the stakes are very high in the fight to control the congress. in just one month four states will hold the first big primaries and two of them west virginia and indiana could be bright spots for the gop. there aren't many of those. the director for the center of politics at the university of virginia joins me. you live for this stuff. good source here for this particular story. there are a lot of fears in the republican party, some expressed by republicans themselves that they could easily lose control of the house of representatives in 2018. do you see that happening? >> it's april and you're right. i live for this and getting to the height of the primary season beginning in may. may 8th is the first big day and extending all the way to september. it is a long primary season but a big country. as far as the house goes, jon, sure, i think of the two houses it is the one more likely to

flip to the democrats. the senate is another matter which we'll discuss in a moment. >> jon: the house newt gingrich who was speaker of the house and knows a thing or two about winning battles had this to say. if republicans have built and maintained and effective common sense offense republicans have built -- i'm sorry and maintain a popular legislative agenda we'll win in november. if not they'll lose. it is that simple. he has suggested things like the tax cut act are helpful but need to go beyond that. they need to come up with other legislation that people like. what do you think of his advice? >> well sure. i think he is thinking back to his contract for america in 1994. the election that made him speaker during bill clinton's

first mid-term election. it was a big part of the victory. the bigger part was president bill clinton's unpopularity and what drove the republican gains in 1994. i understand why speaker gingrich is stressing that. i would say the other half of it that members of congress can't control is how popular or unpopular president trump is at the time of the election. >> jon: his popularity has been coming back but he is still right around, well, right around -- not quite 50% mark yet. so -- >> we all know how reliable polls are. i'll take a pass on that one and wait until we get into the general election. they change a lot, jon. and it just a lot of it is variation within polls and the polling average that may build

in the errors instead of washing them out. i'll wait a while to judge that. >> jon: pennsylvania is a state that gave mr. trump the presidency but pennsylvania is a state that looks problematic for republicans especially in the house. is that because of the redistricting or is there more at play here? >> redistricting is the biggest part of it. the lines are being drawn in such a way that democrats almost certainly will pick up net two or three seats just out of pennsylvania. four is not an impossibility. democrats have to win net 24, some would say 23 because of the special election in pennsylvania. that seat disappears at the ind of the year. a gain of 24 necessary for democrats to take over. you have to claw to get those seats. the democrats got a break in pennsylvania but republicans have had a break in other places, even unlikely places like districts in california where there are so many

democrats running it is possible the only two making the november runoff will be republicans. >> jon: the senate that we don't have time to get to today. more favorable map for republicans. we'll bring you back in an talk about that one day soon. >> molly: it was billed as the world's tallest water slide. a 10-year-old boy was killed on the ride. a migrant caravan putting mexico in a tough spot as the president calls on congress to pass tougher immigration laws. >> i'm all for legal immigration. immigrants have added to our country. we're a nation of immigrants but shouldn't allow people particularly 1100 of them marching up to thumb their nose and say well, we don't care what your laws are, we're coming.

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>> jon: fox news alert the group organizing that migrant caravan heading to the u.s. southern border responding to president trump accusing him of trying to turn central american refugees against each other and claiming they are being used as a bargaining chip with mexico. mexico's ambassador to the u.s. addressing president trump's claim the country is doing little to stop the flow of migrants. >> we certainly understand the concern not only that president trump has but people in the

united states here have about immigration. and i have to say that mexico is now largely a country that resists immigrants. what we're trying to do precisely is work with the united states and central americans. >> jon: william la jeunesse is live in los angeles with more. william. >> jon, traveling as a group of 1300 immigrants instead of the usual five or 10 can be good and bad. they represent a powerful image of the poverty and violence they flee in central america but an easy target for police if mexico chooses to arrest and deport them. the group crossed into mexico march 25th from guatemala. they spent last night headed for pub low for a clinic. >> we're looking out for their interest with exit routes some

people are more vulnerable. humanitarian visas so they can cross through the country in the best way possible. >> central american apprehensions are reaching a crisis level. sources told me this morning last week in south texas agents arrested 94 central americans in one night. apprehended in the last five months there are many. because of asylum laws the white house said the u.s. had to release 3,000 unaccompanied children in february alone. >> if these policies and the law doesn't change that advantages people who come as children as part as families the loopholes will still exist and so that's another addition to our capability at the line that physical border. >> the u.s. wants mexico to stop the caravan. mexico claims to have deported several hundred. others have already left the slow-moving group for the u.s.

posing a potential humanitarian crisis if the group reaches the fence en masse. >> 1100 people marching through mexico should be stopped at the border and sent back. we should not allow people to come into our country and break the laws. >> the law provides protection for victims of persecution not economic refugees. that is up to immigration judge because of the backlog, others arriving see a ticket to freedom and that's why it remains a magnet for care vans like this. >> jon: thorny issues. william la jeunesse, thank you. >> molly: just in the justice department imposing quotas on immigration judges in an effort to speed up deportations. critics are calling it a recipe for disasters. others including ken paxton said the new benchmarks are a much-needed change. >> we have a huge backlog. the system as it is not working.

offering up a new idea let's try it and see if it works. i don't see a problem with trying it. >> molly: let's welcome our panel now. the former chairman of the dc democratic party and the partner and ceo of wpa intelligence. thank you for being here. as this begins to unfold we'll hear a lot of critics talking about why it's the wrong move. it could lead to less fairness in the system, judges shouldn't be under fire with their job at stake as far as meeting quotas are concerned. when you hear all these concerns being raised, scott, what do you say? >> i think you are exchanging justice and fairness for job security as well as financial incentives and in a judicial system whether it's immigration or not they have to have a fair and independent judiciary making life or death decisions in asylum cases. i get that we need to be more

effective and efficient with the backlog and i believe in immigration control, illegal immigrants violent or committing crimes. at the same time we can't compromise our constitutional and justice principles in the united states. i think it will be a problem. >> molly: the backlog is significant. 600,000 cases pending before the office of immigration review. the court that adjudicates all this. >> we need to protect our constitutional due process but these are accused criminal illegal immigrants sitting in jail and i want to protect due process i'm not interested in protecting the cushy schedule of a bureaucratic judge whose union is complaining they might have to work too hard. they want to keep the time frame they have. we need to make sure there is a process involved in doing this i think requiring them to get through a certain number of cases before they turn off the

lights and go home at night isn't asking too much from these judges. >> it will affect their income. when a judge chooses between his job and income doing the right thing. by the way, chris, these are not all criminals. these are illegal immigrants akaoulsed criminals. >> illegal makes them criminal. >> molly: we talk about money and finances and one of the draws people argue is made a lot of times when people are waiting to go before this court they are working. and that essentially there is an argument being made they come here, game the system, come in, work for a couple of years and go to court and leave and that creates an incentive for more illegal immigration, scott. >> we have to remove that incentive. here is the deal. what about this idea? why not hire more immigration judges, build more courtrooms, the republicans have blown a hole in the deficit already. there is money to spend and get to the efficiency issue and

backlog without having a judge choose between his job and justice especially in asylum cases. if you send them back because you'll exceed your 15% quota for sending cases to a higher court or get a negative write-up and lose your job or not get a bonus because you weren't efficient enough. >> molly: you brought up something as far as more judges are concerned. that's something the administration is looking at. is this common ground? >> it may be. it could be a possibility but i don't think it's too much to ask these guys to work a few more hours every day and put more time to see the cases through. we aren't asking them to put in the hours your average american does. over 3/4 of the american public want to support our laws against illegal immigrants and criminals. how many kate steinle situations do we need to see happen before we take a strong stand and make sure if someone is a convicted criminal they're

sent back. not allowed back. this is an important step in that direction. >> molly: quickly before i let you guys go, how much does politics play a role in all this, scott? >> i think it plays a great role in it. donald trump and this administration have taken aggressive tactics toward addressing illegal immigration. the democrats have other plans. when you couple the politics of attacking immigration the way donald trump has and now you'll get financial incentives to having judges move to deportation as opposed to elongated processes that in many cases these individuals are allowed to have under the current laws, then the financial incentive, the political stress or press by d.o.j. is a bad mix. take the incentive out for job security and we could probably find common ground about being more efficient and effective in dealing with these cases. >> molly: as would be, chris, you get the final word. >> scott and i would agree when

it comes to legal immigration. the difference is the separation on the issue illegal. if it is criminal, we're spending too much time allowing these people to stay in our country. i don't think the democrats want it. i would fight it in the 2018 elections. >> their year already. >> molly: we appreciate you both joining us. thank you. >> jon: president trump suggests the u.s. could be getting out of syria very soon but now military plans indicate that might not be the case. why more troops could be on their way to the middle east. plus the man suspected of killing his millionaire grandfather is heading to court and facing off in a legal battle against family members. >> the family agonized over this process but decided that it was the right thing to do and what their father and sister would want them to do.

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or not. alex van der zwaan, he pled guilty to lying to f.b.i. investigators when he was questioned as part of robert mueller's investigation into russian meddling in the 2016 elections. >> molly: a man accused by family members of killing his millionaire grandfather and possibly his mother. he was a suspect in the shooting of his grandfather and questioned about the day his boat sank in the ocean with his mother on board back in 2016. however, he was never charged with any crime. now carmen is facing a lawsuit filed by his aunts. he will represent himself in the proceedings and has denied any involvement in either case. >> jon: president trump's may 12th deadline for making a decision on the iran nuclear deal is fast approaching. he have promises to reimpose

sanctions on iran unless european all aisles could agree on a deal to fix problems with the nuclear pact. we are talking with a former terrorism analyst at the treasury department. this president is taking a hard line on the iran agreement but in some respects his hands are tied, are they not, jonathan? >> i think the president is taking a hard line and i think it's about to get harder. he has john bolton coming in as national security advisor and mike pompeo coming in as secretary of state. the pressure now is on the europeans. they have some tough choices to make and a deadline that is fast approaching. >> jon: but the europeans have to sign on with many of the changes or any changes that the president would like to make to what is an international accord, do they not? >> they do. and for the last several months the trump administration has been negotiating with the europeans. dragging their feet on what we

call sunset provisions, a decade into the deal all the terms begin to expire and iran would have the ability to make a march to a nuclear weapon. the president is now telling the europeans unless they fix that the deal is going to collapse. that's the last thing they want. i think actually leverage right now is with the president as the clock winds down. >> jon: the saudis are no great friends of the iranians and a statement from the saudi crown prince. he said president obama believed if he gave iran opportunities to open up it would change. but with a regime based on this ideology it won't open up soon. 60% of the economy is controlled by the revolutionary guard. the benefits of the iran nuclear deal are not going to the people. is he right about that? >> absolutely he is right. we're seeing billions of dollars flowing to the regime in syria. a billion a year going to

hezbollah. hundreds of millions going to hamas and a huge amount of money going to the revolutionary guard themselves and the ballistic missile program. all the money we've given iran they've spent on their adventureism abroad and why we saw people coming into the streets several months ago protesting against the regime. they were expecting to see some benefits from the nuclear deal and instead not surprisingly the iranian regime squandered those funds. >> jon: you mentioned syria a moment ago. mixed message coming from the president. the pentagon could plan to send more troops to that country after mr. trump suggested last week the u.s. military would soon be pulling out. what is your view on the right way to proceed? >> first of all we need to get our messages straight. our enemies will enjoy watching this confusion here in washington so it is important to get on the same page. i think it's also important to

note here if we withdraw from syria it will be obama 2.0. we'll hand the iranians a victory perhaps even a greater victory than what they got from the nuclear deal that we agree to be extremely flawed. the iranians have designs on control the entire middle east. if we give them syria it's a significant piece of the puzzle for them and need to avoid that at all costs. >> jon: thank you, jonathan. >> molly: the war is heating up between california and the trump administration. >> what we're fighting is the trump administration seems to be constantly reacting against a state, california, that has decided to be the leader in our country when it comes to pioneering better ways, new ways to do things. ech: at safels we know that when you're spending time with the grandkids every minute counts. and you don't have time for a cracked windshield.

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>> the president keeps getting tougher on immigration. now putting quotas on immigration judges to speed up the deportation process. the judges's union says it will infringe on judicial independence. is this the kind of policy the president's base wants and will it give democrats a base to use against him? >> dodging questions about whether hillary clinton should be out campaigning for the mid-terms. is this a sign the party is finally done with her? tune in to find out. >> top of the hour. >> molly: a legal war heating up between california and trump administration. the justice department filing another lawsuit blocking a new state law that gives california

a veto over federal land sales and the epa announces it is rolling back obama-era vehicle emission standards. jonathan hunt is live from the l.a. bureau. >> two new fronts between the war. fuel emissions the most significant for all of ucf as the director of the epa announced the roll back of obama-era fuel emission standards that mandated cars meet 36 mile per gallon standards by 2025. >> i'm here to announce those standards that were set that we are obligated to evaluate, we are determining -- i am determining those standards are inappropriate and should be revised. >> the governors of california, oregon and washington criticize the epa move saying in a joint statement this move sets us back from years of advancements

by the automotive industry put in motion by states that took the lead in setting emissions standards. on the federal lands issue the trump administration is suing california over a new law that gives the state the power to override the sale of federal land. the law introduced by california democrats over fears the trump administration would allow more oil drilling, logging and development. in announcing the suit jeff sessions said, quote, once again the california legislature has enacted an extreme state law attempting to frustrate federal policy to which the california attorney general replied quote, we're prepared as always to do what it takes to protect our people, our resources, and our values. that's the key in this ongoing political war. the values of california democrats and the trump administration seem further apart than ever. >> molly: and unlikely to see tend of the back and forth any time soon. thank you, jonathan hunt. >> jon: cnn finds itself in

president trump's cross hairs once again as the president decides whether to attend the white house correspondents dinner. the latest on a mainstream media battle royale next on "outnumbered."

>> thanks for joining us. outnumbered starts now. >> harris: was they can with a fox news alert. has been charged with making a false statements to the fbi. he becomes the first person in the mueller investigation. he pleaded guilty for lying in his dealings with paul manafort and rick gates. this is his punishment and you see him their center screen. 30 days in prison, $20,000 in fines, a two month supervised release to remember, he lied about his last communication with richard gates who was indicted in october along with former drum campaign manager paul manafort. so when he talked with