>> thanks for joining us. outnumbered starts now. >> harris: was they can with a fox news alert. has been charged with making a false statements to the fbi. he becomes the first person in the mueller investigation. he pleaded guilty for lying in his dealings with paul manafort and rick gates. this is his punishment and you see him their center screen. 30 days in prison, $20,000 in fines, a two month supervised release to remember, he lied about his last communication with richard gates who was indicted in october along with former drum campaign manager paul manafort. so when he talked with

investigators, he was out with full about that and that has been kind of a theme with the mueller investigation as i pull people into talk, sometimes those people have been caught in things that they consider truthful perhaps but that the mueller investigation found out not to be true. we've been waiting for the sentencing of alex van der zwaan and we find out now the highest point of that will be the 30 days in prison and then beyond that, $20,000 in fines and two month supervised release. as we learn more about the situation, we will bring you the details. and now this fox news alert. it looks like president tom's policies on immigration are getting tougher. his administration plans to implement a new quota system tied to immigration judges performance reviews. to speed of the deportation process. the justice department is directing them to process 700 cases a year to get a satisfactory rating as a judge. the judge's union is calling it unprecedented and says it risks undermining judicial independence. we will talk about it.

this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, host of candy on fox business, kennedy herself. republican strategist and fox news contributor lisa boothe. anchor of the intelligence report, bringing us intelligenc intelligence. trish regan is here. and joining us here, republican congressman from virginia, scott taylor, a member of the house appropriations committee and a former navy seal. it is "outnumbered." are you ever really a former seal and can you ever really be "outnumbered"? >> scott: i'm certainly "outnumbered" here today, but i'm very lucky to be "outnumbered" today. it once a seal, you're always a seal. >> harris: there you go, i'm glad you're here. let's get to the news. the development of the ongoing administration battle. trying to speed up the deportation process as i mentioned. the justice department is giving new directives for the annual performance reviews of immigration judges. beginning in the next fiscal year, october 1st, they will be expected to clear at least 700 cases a year to earn a

satisfactory rating. they said they can you undermine the independence of the judicial process. they currently complete an average of 678 cases a year. a justice department official says," these performance metrics which were agreed to by the immigration judge unit that is now condemning them are designed to increase productivity and efficiency in the system without compromising due process. the texas attorney general acted this way. >> it doesn't seem like it's a major change. if you do that was several hundred judges, you can potentially get rid of your backlog. i like it. >> harris: democratic congressman of california tweeted this. you are innocent until proven guilty unless your immigration judge needs to hit a quota. in that case, you'll be guilty no matter what. there is the justice? congressman, where is the justice or we seeing it? >> scott: have you heard, the average of 678, they do an

average of 1500 cases, really not that much and i have confidence in the judges themselves to put the law first and put justice first before they got to meet a quota. and they can't hit 780 more judges, put more judges. i think it's important to get the backlog. >> harris: is a little fact that we don't often hear, they often perform twice as much as what is being called for now at 700. >> scott: 22 more than the average. again, some of them are performing against 1500 year period and really not that much. if >> harris: is make this easier to support those people who are illegal among us? >> scott: i have confidence in the judicial system if they need to be deported other supposed to be deported that they will be. i don't know if it makes it easier, but it deals with the backlog that's necessary to be taken care of. if you want some of the argument for this is that the process is so clogged with delays. what do you think about those? >> kennedy: i see it sort of have icy gun ownership and often times, the most responsible

people, the most responsible gun owners are the ones that are subject to arbitrary rules and procedures. to people who come to this country illegally, they're not going to sit for an immigration hearing. they're not going to show up from an immigration hearing. if they're going to skirt the system and is the ones who want to work hard and get into the country and those of the ones were going to be punished if you're doing something to force the backlog through. and that's unfortunate. i also think this is somehow a misdirect. we are being redirected to focus on immigration judges when we should be focusing on immigration policy which is woefully broken and underserved, people who are trying to get into this country, people who are trying to employ those who are seeking work here, and those who are affected by the immigration. >> harris: i hear you nodding your head along. >> trish: i think it's a distraction frankly. as you point out, 22 more cases. we actually have a real problem.

with our immigration reform that has been promised and is not being delivered on and that actually should be where everybody is putting their energy right now, not focus on whether you need 700 cases or 683. but what can be done about the people that are here illegally and how do we prevent people from coming here illegally going forward, this is the real distraction. >> harris: the question all day long since we learned of this news because it happened late yesterday, this directive is how does this is it a one-on-one with one with the actual problem with the system and how does it address it? >> lisa: there's a backlog as you mentioned of 600,000 cases i believe the number is, so i guess the premise of the idea behind this is to try to expedite those backlogs and get them out of the system. as a congressman mentioned, we are talking what a difference of 22 which is a nominal minimal amount. i know the judge's union has said this is an unprecedented

move. part of that is my understanding is there was a prohibition against these kind of quotas before that change then opening the door to the justice department to be able to do something like this. i do have a little bit of a caution is in the sense of i think this is tied to the annual performance reviews? so the only caution would be that i hope judges continue to maintain their independence. that would be my only concern. >> kennedy: judges and necessarily a good judge. paid at the same thing we have with teachers. so a good teacher isn't necessarily the one who teaches in a test and increases scores. that's not what makes a good teacher so we have to be very careful about the metrics we use and the criteria. >> harris: i want to go back to the congressman for this. you gave us a detail that we don't often hear and that that some of these handling up to 1500 cases which is beyond what we are seeing an increase thoug though. how will that impact the system if you've got someone who is already performing at that leve

level? far beyond satisfactory. the three i think you're right, you go through a lot of them, doesn't mean you're good. the opposite is true as well. trying to get through the backlog with 22 cases going to affect justice if you will. i just don't think that. if there's a judge who needs help, then get another judge. get more judges. >> lisa: i think the simple point, we are talking about a difference of 22 cases over a year sort of demonstrates how things get sensationalized so much in the trump era and how some of these nominal differences end up exploding into these massive issues. with the mainstream media. >> harris: is an interesting conversation that started last night, mature look i wanted. mostly from honduras who are heading through mexico for the u.s. border. breaking up to some extent. a similar caravans make the journey every year around easter but this year, the group is

getting a lot of attention from president trump to be to just this morning "the big caravan of people from honduras now coming across mexico and heading to our week border had better be stopped before it gets there. honduras and the countries that allow this to happen. congress must act now. the march is scheduled to end this month with a conference on migration issues. in the central mexican state of pueblo. the group behind the caravan raising a statement saying the u.s. president opportunistically invoked refugee caravans as a pretext for threatening immigrants already in the country. specifically, daca recipients with a so-called nuclear option to remove their protection center and central american refugees and other immigrant communities against each other and use them as a bargaining chip with mexico. all of this is president trump is planning on enacting immigration laws calling them a joke. he blames democrats for failing dreamers and has written to

congress to take action on a border wall. for my trump campaign manager cory lewandowski shared his concerns. >> we have a crisis heading towards our borders which is really unparalleled in our nations history. we have hundreds of not thousands of people marching through mexico and threatening to come into our country illegally. i would ask and encourage the president to put all of the resources necessary that we have at our disposal which means federal law enforcement agencies, if it is required to activate national guard troops to prevent people from coming. >> kennedy: one democratic congressman from new york says it's all about creating a distraction. >> if every time mueller puts the heat on him, he pivots to immigration. when he has another stormy day with stormy daniels, he pivots to immigration talk. this is a way of scapegoating a good part of the country, 800,000 dreamers. >> kennedy: is he scapegoating or is he passively aggressively telling congress that they have

to get up and do something? >> scott: i think the president, we've got $1.6 billion for the wall for six months. so more money than the administration asked for in the fiscal year. i think the president has the authority to deal with this caravan is coming up as cory mentioned using federal law enforcement resources, even national guard if necessary. >> kennedy: they're not all looking to enter the country illegally. they are seeking asylum. >> scott: my point is, that's not our job right there to deal with that. i think that he has all the tools necessary to deal with trying to come illegally and who are not. i do think and to the president's points, i agree with them that they need more border security and for future illegal immigration. i think the daca population should be in that deal as well and i think there is a deal. there were people on both sides of the aisle to come up with a deal that has border security.

>> harris: i just want to stick in a couple more facts. so this caravan is that annual symbolic event that you are talking about. there was a group of about 200. can you call the group 200? i guess you can. that's a big chunk of how many had gathered for this, about 1100 who were coming north and they're not sure if they were headed for the united states or not but they broke off reportedly and were headed in our direction. >> kennedy: what is mexico's policy on this? there's a lot of distance between honduras and the united states. and what sort of refugee asylum are they offering to 1,000 people? at the traveling city and why not just make a home and that? >> lisa: i think we're getting bogged down in the details when what president trump is doing is actually genius. he beats democrats at their own game using imagery to paint a picture and to sell something.

if he's using this caravan by a group is named in english people without borders and this is what he's been saying throughout the election and during his administration, this is what the democrats want, they want a borderless world where borders mean nothing, where illegal immigrants can easily flow through into this country. >> harris: they had 200 people that went north that they were trying to account for it. it's basic so there are talks that 100 of them want to be in the united states. so that maine means 900 or 800. we will see how the numbers shake out. it's my understanding that they are trying to help them. there may even be a memo that proves this. the mexican government is trying to assist these people and may even be trying to help them get into the united states as well. but you're right, it's a very -- it's a symbol. the symbolism is important.

in this case, dealing with refugees as opposed. >> lisa: that's how people view it. they view it how president trump is selling it. he did this throughout the state of the union as well, pointing to different people, the manufacturers in ohio, the defector from north korea. if this is what democrats have always done, it's highly effective and this is what president trump has been doing, but he does it better. >> kennedy: because he is a stable genius. former fbi director angie mccabe's wife is pushing back on claims her husband was biased towards hillary clinton in certain fbi investigations and accuses president trump of making that up. whether that criticism is fair. plus, we've just seen the first sentencing in the mueller probe that comes amid new concerns about the russia investigation after a shocking new report reveals a special council is authorized to investigate a former trump campaign manager paul manafort including his business long before the presidential campaign. details next.

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robert miller's investigation today after pleading guilty to lying to investigators and destroying evidence. he received 30 days in jail, $20,000 fine, this comes amid mood newly released court filings showing deputy rod rosenstein specifically authorize a special counsel to look at former trump campaign manager paul manafort as part of his russia investigation including payments to him from ukraine but from before the campaign even began. paul manafort has filed a lawsuit to get the charges against him dropped limit the scope of robert mueller's probe is too broad. what they said they were looking for, russian collusion in the trump campaign. congressman? >> scott: and i do have an issue with that personally. i do think is a little bit broa broad. we read the memos if you will and i think it's troubling for a lot of folks that are out there. at the same time, i think it needs to run its course. >> harris: part of the conversation now is another investigation which is going to

look into how that anti-trump dossier was used to obtain warrants to look at a former campaign memory carter page. if you do have a widening and now even of the scope of that they do the right thing along the way? be free when you look at the fisa warrant, the application in the first thing they lead with was the dossier, according -- i didn't see it. >> kennedy: what are we going to get that application by the way? be seen it? >> scott: i've in the memos of course but the chairman of a smartly actually put our brat best lawyers to see it. only had a couple of folks doing under the deal and he put our best lawyers upfront to be able to see that, understand the actual application. so according to them, the person they used was a dossier and that's very troubling. we went to kennedy's point, should we be able to see some of that even if it's redacted of

the wider public just to know when a secret court looked at in terms of spying on american? >> scott: i think there are some issues and we need to make sure that there aren't any further abuses of course to americans. >> harris: you can preach a sister kennedy on that one. >> kennedy: would've been helpful to rand that in when section 702. many times we can constrain the surveillance statement, we should take that opportunity. i think it was a disingenuous conversation that congress had with the public at that time when the content of the memos was known to the person who was pushing. for less transparency. >> scott: has been one of the best tools against terrorism in the world. i understand what you're saying and i have an issue with that too. but we have to make sure that you don't throughout everything just based on potential different kind. >> harris: a talk about where we are with van der zwaan today

and the sentencing. what this means for the total picture in robert miller's investigation. >> lisa: i think that's tough to know. we have no what they've been looking at specifically in what he's looking at currently. i do think paul manafort's concern and his accusation of this has been way too broad is a concern that a lot of people should share, look at the charges that have been brought against paul manafort. for instance, failing to register as a foreign agent. if it is something that very rarely gets in the forest and is also something that chairman grassley has said we should be reforming because we see people like fusion gps also be accused of failing to register as a foreign agent of russia and if we are worried about other countries influencing the united states, we should probably be concerned about americans lobbying on their behalf. but more broadly, i do think there's a concern that we are looking at things that happened before the election.

>> kennedy: here we are, we are looking at this in one of hillary clinton were under investigation? what would john podesta's path look like? if you were going a decade into that? not very good. it's a good point, and the mueller investigation so far has come up with absolutely nothing that is out of any relevance to whether or not russia colluded. such a weird word to use. colluded with the trump campaig campaign. got to come up with a better word. >> trish: and all of this, guess who wins? >> scott: the one thing russia has had as a wildly successful campaign because of all of this russia and is complete focus by democrats and some republicans on russia. they've been wildly successful. we played right into his hands and both parties have done this. both parties have.

>> harris: we've got to move on. we will come back to something equally as interesting. did we ask this last time? is a new battle of epting today and a new poll shows even more people say the media report fake news. and then should she stay or should she go? a lot of questions here. the second in command of the gnc is refusing to stay. once hillary clinton to campaign for democrats. real cheese people get it.

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sharp increase in distrust of those news organizations from just a year ago and 53% said they were concerned about the spread of misinformation. among those, 31% said they believe those new media outlets, the poll also finds a large majority, 86% believe that online news web sites report fake news which is up slightly from 80 about a year ago. online news sources regularly report fake news, that's up by 11 points, just 25%. the term fake news applies only to stories where the facts are wrong. most americans say fake news also applies to how the news make editorial decisions about what they choose to report. so harris, as a journalist, what does it say to you about the confidence americans have in the news they are consuming? >> harris: what i think is interesting about all that is to drill down to that last line that you said about the fact

that now it's not just making mistakes, people are looking at how the news is reported editorially. and i think that puts us in a new space. i think online web sites have made that change for us because of algorithms and other ways that sites choose which really news. i think it digs into people's ability to really know what's real and what isn't. i give the american people about of credit. when they go to can come and help the rest of us who actually take it seriously. >> trish: you look online now, there's all kinds of quick fate. they have some kind of crazy, very clear fake headline read think it's very clear, but what i realizes not everyone does. so some of it can be pretty detrimental to the overall new cycle because people will be passing stuff around and you may see some weird things in your facebook. who are these people that i'm friends with that are buying into this? but a lot of people when it simply put, it's imprint come on their computer, they believe it. and that's sad, but it is the

world that we are living in. >> scott: how susceptible people are, serious people, they say what is this? that's completely fake, what are you talking about? completely fake. but people are susceptible to it and social media has created these echo chambers and quite frankly, bad behavior by adults. >> kennedy: they have half a story or just a little bit of information which can be just as dangerous. >> lisa: i also think president trump has exposed something we've all seen happening with the mainstream media and the sense that they lean left and they already had these pre-existing biases and president trump has exposed that by exploiting it saying fake news going after them. as cbs said, the media has done a good enough job on his own ruining its reputation. >> trish: go through the list, you look at brian ross, cnn, literally made up a meeting between john kelly which is the

dhs secretary and band and that he said was pure fantasy. they've done a good enough job running the reputation on their own they don't want to be perceived as fake news, think of the stories right. >> kennedy: i understand that but the problem is people have different interpretations of what fake news is and sometimes, there are people in power who don't like the contents of the story who will dismiss it just for the fact that they don't like it or that it's so heavily editorialized, so it is incumbent upon us and consumers to find sources that we can trust and also we are not just reading the same thing. >> harris: is also incumbent upon us as journalist but i see something and i know it's not right like you getting something, i try to address that. i go looking for the facts and i might put out a tweet. my husband says that makes me kind of wonky and corny. but i feel like it's part of my job now to debunk what i can. i can't possibly address everything. but if i see something and it

seems egregious and i have the facts to meet that, i try to quote tweet that and put that out and hopefully people will spread that. >> trish: journalism is to be about primary sources. sometimes getting secondary information that's the problem, look at the way some of these gun-control walkouts and high schools across the country were covered. those were the headlines across the country. nowhere do you ever see pro-life rallies getting covered or any sort of coverage of the other side. you go back to your member president trump in an interview, and he was right before the march for life rally, and he called them out said you're not going to cover it and he was asking about the women's margin completely forgot the fact that march for life was that week. >> trish: there's definitely some bias out there and it's important for everyone to be aware of it. meanwhile, political reporting

the president trump decision on whether or not to attend the white house correspondents dinner is getting a little more complicate it here. the president skipped last year's dinner following a numerous battle the various news organizations and if he attends this month, white house correspondents association dinner, he will be on stage and networks that he routinely calls fake news honored with awards. cnn and the president's cross hairs today again. the president weeding out check out the fact that you can't get a job at reading this challenge cnn and less you say you are totally anti-trump. >> scott: i think you should go. whose job is in jeopardy it is having much fun lately. they should clean up and strengthen cnn and get back to honest reporting. but the network firing back. once again, falls prey to the

political beliefs of cnn employees are of no interest to us. their pursuit of the truth is the only concern. also his last name is spelled. and those are the facts. >> scott: i think he should go. i think the president should attend. i think some of the problems with cnn and other networks is they do react to that. and they overreact to it. and it makes them look bad. >> harris: they don't call it that for nothing. it's a bunch of journalist giving a bunch of journalist awards. >> scott: the president is funny. he can go there and make some jokes at their expense. >> kennedy: he said that the gridiron dinner and people would love it. if you do turn into a roast, that's what people in the room want. >> trish: we've got to go. >> lisa: remember what he did this year and he had that rally

in pennsylvania, that's what he should do. i think that's in such a strong message because he said i'm here with you, the voters who elected me, meanwhile, the elitist media type are back in washington, d.c. i think you should go out to wisconsin, hold a rally they are you did in the exact same day. >> kennedy: it's like they're running away and avoiding something. he's strong enough and confident enough. people stare them down and he could make a memorable night. >> scott: he can still get the political advantage. >> kennedy: the energy in that room, the president facing off against the press and the octagon, that would be fantasti fantastic. >> harris: i think two things. as of two years ago, he went and barack obama, former president said he is gone even when it hasn't been in favor of him. but this, you could really have some fun with. and he could also hold a little news conference. a technical news conference which is something that he

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>> harris: a breaking news now, the president has been holding a baltic state summit. >> president trump: many of you were with me.

he is a tremendous person, but we have a problem with china. they created a trade deficit and i really blame our representatives and frankly, are proceeding president for this. they have a trade deficit. $500 billion a year. it's not something we can live with. so we will be working with china, will be negotiating with china, get our relationship is very good with china and we intend to keep it that way. but we have to do something to seriously relieve that trade deficit. we can't have it $500 billion a year trade deficit. we also have the theft of intellectual property, and that probably is in the neighborhood of 200 to $300 billion a year. so whether we like it or not, we have a great stock market, we have a very, very powerful country, we have our country militarily as you know, present.

$700 billion, our military will be stronger than ever before. but we have to do something on trade of a certain countries. obviously, china is the leader in terms of deficits. we never had a situation where a country, nor has there ever been in history a situation where a country has done that to another country. we have helped rebuild china over the last 25 years if you take a look at what's happening. we have helped rebuild china. with that, nothing is easy. i've campaigned on that, talked about that. china might be the only country. mexico, if you look at the caravan of thousands of people coming across, i told mexico, you have a cash cow and nafta. nafta has been great for mexico,

not good for the united states. a lot of businesses have closed down because of nafta. you look at empty plans all over the place and this is from years ago, they still haven't recovered. nafta has been a terrible deal for the united states. we are renegotiating the deal right now. it will still be good for mexico to canada. and when this caravan came in, and this is a caravan of a lot of people coming in in this case from honduras, if it reaches our border, our laws are so weak and sympathetic, you would not understand this. i know how strong your laws are at the border. we have no border because we had obama make changes. president obama made changes that basically created no border. called catch and release. you catch them, you register them, they go into our country, you can't throw them out and in many cases, they shouldn't be here. in many cases, they shouldn't be here. after they get whatever happens over the next two or three

years, they're supposed to come back to court. almost nobody comes back to court. democrats are so pathetic and so weak. i told mexico you're laws are very powerful, your laws are very strong. we have very bad laws for our border. i've been speaking with general mattis, doing things militarily until we can have a wall and proper security. already guarding our border with the military. that's a big step. we really haven't done that before, certainly not very much before. but we will be doing things with mexico, and they have to do it otherwise i'm not going to do the nafta deal. if nafta has been fantastic for mexico, bad for us. we've had our car plants move to

mexico, we make millions of cars in mexico. that years ago didn't exist. they closed in michigan, closed in ohio, closed in other places, now they're starting to move back because of what we've done with regulation and taxes, starting to come back into our country. told mexico very strongly, going to have to do something about these caravans that are coming up, just notice at the caravan now which is towards the middle of mexico coming up from honduras is breaking up very rapidly. that's because mexico is very strong immigration laws as we should have. we should have those laws. it's got to be change. we need the wall, we need to change the immigration laws at the border and elsewhere. so mexico has at this moment, seems they've broken up large numbers of that particular

caravan and we'll see what happens. but we are prepared at our border. we cannot have people flowing into our country illegally, disappearing, and never showing up to court. so the court case will be set for two years or three years if you can believe this. and they never show up. for the most part, very rarely do they show up. plus, if you notice, they are trying to hire thousands of judges so every person that walks across and trying to say the right thing, they walk across and then they go and they're supposed to go to court. so we are supposed to have thousands of judges because we cannot have them take it out. we have to bring them before a ridiculous court system. we have to change our policies fast. just like we have to change on sanctuary cities. if you look at what's happening in california, they have those out there.

just heard that the caravan coming up from honduras that is broken up and mexico did that. they did it because frankly, you really have to do it, going to have to have a relationship with the nafta. going to have to include security and nafta. so very strong laws and that's the way it is. it looks like it's been broken up. thank you all very much. the caravan makes me very sad that this can happen to the united states. we are thousands of people that decides to just walk into our country and we don't have any laws i can protect. and the wall because of the democrats has been delayed, which we started the war. we have 1.6 billion, we are fixing and building brand-new walls in certain areas and we are doing a lot of work on the

wall. we have 1.6 billion and we are starting brand-new sections of walls. we need to have a brand-new wild it's about a hundred miles, seven to 800 miles of the 2,000-mile stretch, a lot of natural boundaries. it's very sad to see it, even from both sides. it sat for the people in the caravan and it's sad for the people of the united states. it's really sad that we don't have laws that say we have a border and if you don't do illegally, you can't come into the united states. to me, that's a very sad thing for the people of the united states. thank you all very much. i have great respect for the baltic states. tremendous people. tremendous leaders who have no now for a pretty long period of time. we have great respect for the baltic states. thank you.

thank you very much. this is speaking with the baltic states, ideally we want to get along with russia. getting along with russia is a good thing, that a bad thing. maybe we will and maybe we won' won't. and probably nobody's been tougher to russia then donald trump. if you take a look at our military strength now, which would not have happened had the opponent won, if you take a look at the oil and gas that we are producing now, we are independent, we are now exporting oil and gas, this is not something that russia wante wanted. three presidents just told me that nato is taken in a tremendous amount of money because of donald trump that would've never happened, so nato is much stronger. you may want to say that. would you like to say that, madam president ? >> 5 minutes ago that an

impotence on the united states and nato. we expect the united states to go ahead deeper forms of nato, especially under decision-making for decisiveness, denials which we expect to see from russia in case of aggression. and why the vital leadership of the united states is important, we are behind in with you. i think that the best alliance you have a new rep in nato is the baltic states today and we also did our homework, organizing armies, and together, i think we can do a lot and very much looking forward to seeing everyone around the table in brussels and going ahead with a better nato, more efficient nat

nato. >> and has donald trump made a difference in nato? this is a very risky question. if she says the same thing she said in the oval office. >> all of us, all members of nato is all the political elites think that somebody else needs to protect. so first, you do homework and then you ask for your partner to come with you. and that's exactly what they did. and this kind of leadership is good. i am open. using their opinions in our country but first we need to invest ourselves in not only then, the process can come with. >> president trump: nato has taken in billions of dollars more because of me. because i said you're delinquent, you're not paying to many of the countries. is that right? many of the countries. even now, germany is paying 1% and not even paying the full 1%.

germany hooks up a pipeline into russia where germany is going to be paying billions of dollars for energy into russia. and saying what's going on with that? how come germany is paying vast amounts of money to russia when they hook up a pipeline? that's not right. you look at what's going on. germany pays 1%, the united states is paying close to 4%. the united states as you said is paying 80% of the cost of nato. do you think that's fair? with all of that being said, because of me and you can speak to the head of nato, he said that because of what i've said to the countries, you confirm this too. many billions of dollars more than they would have had if you had a crew could crooked hillary clinton as president. that i can tell you. many billions of dollars more. so we have been very tough on

that. we've been very tough on russia. but i will say that if we got it wrong with russia, that would be a good thing coming out of a bad thing. possible we won't. we'll find out whether or not we do. if we could all get along, that would be great. if that includes china and includes many other countries. we will see what happens. only time will tell. no one has been tougher on russia and getting along with russia would be a good thing, not a bad thing. just about everybody agrees to that except very stupid people. we will find out. i will let you know. it'll be a time when i let you know. you're going to find out very quickly. see what happens. thank you all. i have a great respect for the baltics. i have a great respect for my friends. i've known them now right from the beginning of my presidency. these are great courageous

people. and have done a fantastic job for their countries. i have great respect for you and for your nations. thank you all. you take a look at the post office, you take a look at the post office, and the post office is losing billions of dollars and the taxpayers are paying for that money because it delivers packages for amazon at a very below cost, and that's not fair to the united states, it's not fair to our taxpayers, and amazon has the money to pay the fair rate of the post office which would be much more than they're paying right now. the other thing is a lot of retail businesses all over the country are going out of business. that's a different problem. it's a big problem. you have retailers all over the united states going out of business. you look at some of these small towns that have a beautiful main street, the stores are all gone. so that's a different problem we

are going to have to talk about. if you look at the cost that we are subsidizing, giving a subsidy to amazon and we are talking about billions of dollars a year, the real cost, report just came out, they said dollars $0.47 for every time they deliver a package, the united states government, meaning the post office to lose as 47. so amazon is going to pay as much money. thank you. i hope he's going to be great. >> kennedy: press conference with baltic leaders, we will hear more from the president about half an hour. he touched on quite a few issues including russia, even germany

and immigration, amazon, and scott pruitt. take away from that interesting exchange? >> scott: very interesting. first i want to say that him being with the baltic leaders is important to show that we are standing in solidarity with those who oppose russia. when he said about germany was very, very good because he's right. connecting there and paying billions of dollars that's a good point. he brought it out like over the president can. >> kennedy: this is one of those areas with the president took a nontraditional view of something that many people have internalized and taken for granted for a long time and that obviously is nato spending. but he also touched on immigration. >> trish: he touched on a lot of things and i think we always get a kick out of watching these because he has almost a kind of stream of consciousness with some of the areas that he is getting into. >> kennedy: you never know he's going to go. >> trish: the nato stuff is good and i'll tell you why. and they have gotten away for

far too long was not paying in their quote unquote fair share and it's time that we change that. and they are better off for doing so. if they have more skin in the game so to speak. and the need to carry their weight. i think those developments have been very helpful. i think as far as the baltic states go, they need some support from us and i think he is willing to give that alongside nato and so that's encouraging for them. even amazon as you said, getting a discounted rate at the u.s. postal service. u.s. postal service is a mess. >> kennedy: it's a mess regardless. if amazon didn't exist, the post office would still very much be in the red. it's a poorly functioning branch of the government and perhaps it's time to privatize and not just penalize one company. >> lisa: my take away from this and what i was thinking of this entire time because we just got done talking about the media

and they were constantly attacks on president trump and the first amendment, freedom of press with his administration and look what he just did there. he gives this unprecedented access to him and always opening these meetings up to questions from the media, opening typically private meetings sometimes, opening up to the media, allowing them to be there doing the entire thing out specifically with this the way he did on immigration and other meetings like that. that was just kind of top of mind. >> kennedy: president obama would go on for 5 minutes per question. >> scott: if it's anything, this president is authentic. and the way that he talks, he talks like everyday americans talk and they are going to see that. a lot of politicians when they talk with your watching them consciously or subconsciously, they are careful. this president doesn't do that. >> trish: even if it's dangerous along the way. >> kennedy: that's true and also with some of these meetings it was he with members of

congress, he can be swayed in the moment or at least appears to be swayed the moment it comes back and realizes all the information and essentially say says. >> trish: i will tell you, it's important to be able to understand all sides, to have empathy for all sides and the fact that he's willing to listen and say that's a good point. and maybe you come back to exactly where you started. it's so important for us to be willing to hear all sides and too many people in this country and you will well know when washington won't do it and only see their way. i think this is effective. i think this is in part by he was elected because he had a different communication style as i mentioned throughout the show. he messages so differently than your average republican and he does what democrats do but does it better. >> kennedy: think so much to congressman scott taylor, covered a lot of ground listening to that big press conference, great to see you today. >> scott: thank you for having me as always and i don't mind being "outnumbered" ."

i'm ready to go. at 2:00. >> kennedy: noon eastern tomorrow, let's go to harris faulkner for more of what's coming up. >> harris: fox news alert. we are awaiting a joint news conference with the president. busy man. leaders of the baltic states set to begin this hour. the joint news conference is coming up. the president could face questions, as you might imagine, on a range of topics, from immigration to recent staff shake-ups and the russia investigation. we'll bring it to you live with president trump at the white house when it happens. and then this. the president is hardening his stance on illegal immigration, calling on congress to revamp our, quote, ridiculous immigration laws, as he calls them. let's go "outnumbered overtime." in an effort to speed up deportation of people here illegally, the trump justice department is set to propose quotas on federal immigration judges