because -- >> jon: outnumbered starts right now. >> harris: here is what we are watching. as soon as it begins we will take you there live. the san bruno police department is about to give update on the youtube shooting that we know happened yesterday. a woman who believed to be suppressed by youtube and was quite angry at the company opened fire there yesterday. public officials have commented that they do not think that she was targeting people. but there is some conflict over whether or not that was the case. but what we know is that she wounded three people at youtube and police say she took her own life. we're waiting to learn details about why she may have done what she did on the day that she did. she was found sleeping in a car the day before. so this individual is someone that we hope to learn more about and just the conditions of the three people who were wounded as well. as the police chief steps to the microphones that you see live on the left side of your screen, we will take to you san bruno, california. and now this fox news alert. president trump is not a criminal target of special

counsel robert mueller's investigation into russian election meddling. but he is still a subject in that probe. that's what mueller told the president's legal team during a conversation about a possible interview with the president. questions now growing about whether he should actually talk in person to mueller or not. this is outnumbered. i'm harris faulkner here today from the fox business network dagen mcdowell. republican strategist and fox news contributor lisa booth. former deputy spokesperson for the state department and fox news analyst marie harf and joining us on the couch in the center seat today former utah congressman and fox newsibor jason chaffetz is in the house. he has been filling n prime time and quite the star on the couch in the center seat today. >> wow, wow. >> harris: i'm watching you. >> i have come a long way. one time you told me i had bad breath. >> harris: that's not true. the audience is going to believe you. i would never say that.

>> i have to prove it. >> harris: let's rock and roll, shall we? i didn't say that president trump is not a criminal target and special counsel robert mueller's russia probe. fox news has confirmed that what his legal team was told last month during a discussion with mueller's team about a possible interview with the president was just that. he is still a subject in the investigation. but there's not enough evidence to bring charges against him. meanwhile, "the washington post" is reporting the special counsel also told president trump's attorneys that he is preparing a report about the president's actions and potential obstruction of justice. the paper reporting mueller's team reiterated the need to interview the president. republican congressman trey gowdy is also a friend of our center seat today says he knows he is in the minority but he thinks president trump actually should talk to mueller. he adds the word subject and target don't mean much right now. >> i know the fbi gets really caught up in those

two words. as a former federal prosecutor, they are meaningless to me because one witness can take you from being a subject to a target. and unless and until you have interviewed everyone, and looked at everything, no one has been implicated and no one has been exculpated. you have nothing to hide. sit down, assuming a fair prosecutor, a fair prosecutor and i think mueller is, sit down and tell him what you know. >> harris: harvard law professor emeritus alan dershowitz is urging the president to be cautious. watch. >> i would say it's good news for the president, but i would say that he has to be very cautious. because targets sometimes evolve from subjects, particularly if they testify and they testify in a way that the prosecution thinks is false. >> harris: it's so interesting the way that mr. dershowitz can see things from both sides. right? >> we don't need to see mr. dershowitz from that

angle, i can say that. >> harris: you know, maybe he can see himself in preview like that. >> listen, as long as mr. mueller is impaneled, the president should be worried about it. >> harris: really? worried? >> semantics. yes, come on. if he didn't do anything, which he says emphatically that he hasn't. i haven't seen any evidence in more than a year, i still think though it's a problem to have this person in place. it's a distraction if nothing else. >> harris: so i wonder why, dagan why would he give an inch. we haven't known what he is going to do. why now? >> dagen: it's a trap they are trying to lure the president into to try to sit down and talk with the investigators and special counsel robert mueller. one other thing alan dershowitz did say that you have to be careful of a perjury trap. the prosecutors have the authority to call the president in front of a grand jury. they wouldn't likely do that so they are trying to lure him in. we do know, based on some reporting that the president

wants this wrapped up. that you know, he had been told by his lawyers hey, don't worry. >> harris: after a year i would think anybody would. >> dagen: how do you do that? you sit down with the special counsel. the only concern is and i have expressed it here on the couch is that you can tell a fbi in front of an adoring crowd and they will cheer you. you tell a fbi when yo fib whene talking to robert mueller or investigators and it's a felony. you do have to be concerned about that. you will never know what mueller knows. they will ask you leading questions and you will walk into that trap. something that his own attorneys have been concerned about. i'm talking about the president. >> lisa: speaking of that trap, look what happened to michael flynn. byron was reporting that -- you would know better than me, james comey went to congressional investigators and told them that the fbi agents who interviewed him did not think that he was lying. yet, you know, fast forward nine months later when robert mueller takes over and then all of a sudden he is pleading guilty to one count of perjury.

so, if i was the president, i would take heed looking at that specific instance and be very, very concerned and very, very cautious. and i certainly wouldn't talk to robert mueller and his team unless i absolutely had to. why would you? who cares about the optics. >> martha: the president may >> maria: he may not legally have a choice to sit down. >> harris: why wouldn't he have a choice at this point. >> maria: i don't think they will legally compel him but he can be. there is a precedent for sitting down with special counsel. >> harris: how did that go? >> lisa: who cares about the political optics in this one though. >> maria: i think president trump does. it's only a perjury trap if the president doesn't tell the truth. and we know, as you said, sometimes he has a tendency to exaggerate and many politicians do. if he goes in there and tells the truth. >> harris: i will put it the way that judge andrew napolitano put it. he says sometimes the president does not use an

economy of words. so have you got to pay close attention to what he is saying. i think this whole idea of this preson accepts that the president who has gone before heads of state now, who has gone before -- for decades ceos and chairman and women of the boards of many corporations, why are people so ready to believe he can't handle two hours with robert mueller? it's a straight question. >> i think president trump is a fighter. i think he knows in his heart that he didn't do anything and that he wants to get out there and tell that story to the world if he can. i do think that mr. manafort is in a bunch of trouble. i think they are not only looking at his situation but his past dealings in ukraine and those types of things. >> harris: do we care in terms of this investigation what happens to paul manafort? >> look. >> harris: years before he joined the campaign. >> what donald trump figured out what he was doing with ukraine, he dumped him as his campaign chairman. he was there five months. he was the chairman.

he has left and exited the system. >> so should president trump sit down with him? >> yes. >> in your estimation? >> i think there should be a limit to the scope. i think they should understand exactly what they are going to talk about in advance. if i was his attorney, i don't know that i would let him do it. he is the president. is he going to make this call himself. there will be a lot of legal wrangling. i think he really wants to do it. if you ever innocent, g you aret there and say that. >> harris: when you look at the polls, people do think that the president should do this. >> i think he does have to be careful. it's not that he can't comport himself in front of world leaders. and business ceos, it's the fact that he can be boastful and he can say things and exaggerate. and you can't do that in front -- if you are testifying in front of a special counsel or talking to investigators. >> harris: it's not like we have never seen this president, you know, in a position where he exercises that sort of discipline. we have. he has had messaged

discipline. >> maria: it's not his natural proclivity. >> lisa: sticking on this topic, one republican congressman says the mural probe is dragging on and he wants attorney general jeff sessions to take action. congressman matt gaetz of florida made the remarks in a recent interview. listen. >> i don't think there is time for jeff sessions to do the right thing to. call in bob mueller and say where are we. is there evidence of collusion to justify the continuation of the investigation. if there is, i think 14 months into the trump presidency we should know it if there's not, let's go ahead and wrap this thing up. he has recused himself he wouldn't be the one to do that right? it would be rod rosenstein that would do that, right? >> i believe that recusal is not required under the law and i believe it could be rescinded. >> lisa: should he rescind the recusal and fire mueller. jeff sessions? >> the fundamental problem is jeff sessions himself. the president appointed an

attorney general who pretty much on day one recused himself and as long as jeff sessions is the attorney general, this problem will continue because rod rosenstein is running the place. jeff sessions is there in name only. >> lisa: what about just the premise of it though? should he rescind his recusal and it should never have been put in place in the first place to. pull the plug, everybody will prematurely. i'm more with trey gowdy on this one. you got to let this thing play out. i hope mr. mueller feels the pressure and understands this country has a lot of business to get on to. if we are going to go after somebody for tax evasion for somebody who, you know, was fired from a campaign, come on, let's get on with the business of the united states of america. if you don't have enough evidence, wrap it up and move on. >> lisa: maria, what do you make of that?

there hasn't as we found out, he is not necessarily the subject here. is it time to just wrap this thing up and move on? >> maria: i think mueller is working to do. so gates only mentioned collusion. this special counsel is also investigating obstruction of justice. and that "the washington post" story we started with today says that bob mueller is still very focused on that. so i think, you know, have you heard from trey gowdy lindsey graham, there will be an outcry among republicans in congress if bob mueller is fired. it will not just look bad politically for a president who says he did nothing wrong. he has nothing to hide. i dony not think the president should or will do this particularly putting a wedge between him and congress. at a very delicate time before the mid terms. >> dagen: this idea from gates is so bad it's almost like is he trying to goad president trump into do itinit -- doing it.

what about the taxpayer money that's been spent. mueller team first four and a half, five months, spending 1.4, $1.5 million per month on this. what happens if mueller got fired? there is going to be another special counsel. why didn't jeff sessions fire himself. unfortunately the only thing that can't happen is you would never get another a.g. through the approval process. >> i do think they can get another attorney general. >> you do? really? >> look, president trump is still the president for years to come. have you got to get somebody in place who doesn't recuse himself from the fundamental job that he is supposed to do. they have major system mick problems in the fbi. you need somebody to take that by the reigns. jeff sessions has said i'm not the person to do. this i'm going to let rod rosenstein do it. >> harris: we are going to go to san bruno, california, update with the police chief there we are learning about the suspect's footsteps before the youtube mass shooting. let's watch and listen. >> vehicle to the rear of a

neighboring business and access to campus va parking garage. the suspect's vehicle is secured and suspected to be processed over the course of the next few days. prosecutor will also be working to gain access to and all social media relate you had posts associated with the suspect in an effort to further comprehend the motive for this crime. at this point in the investigation, it is believed that the suspect was upset with policies and practices of youtube. this appears to be the motive for this incident. i would very much like to thank and recognize the numerous local and federal agencies who provided assistance? managing this incident. youtube's response to this critical incident was also extraordinary. they were extremely prepared to offer services to all of their employees in a swift and timely manner. this would have been much more challenging to us without all of their assistance. finally i would like to mention how proud i am of the san bruno police officers, especially those first on scene. not only the timeliness of their response but the actions they took as they respond you had

significantly limited the window of time available to the suspect to cause harm to additional victims. our department has worked to be as open and transparent as possible in sharing information regarding this incident. and we'll continue to strive to do that. however from, this point forward, the investigation is expected to be very deliberate and methodical. i do not anticipate having additional information in the immediate future to share. when we do develop additional information, we will let you know and we will distribute that. so, with that, before addressing any questions, i would like to introduce the fire chief dave presta to summarize and describe the fire and e.m.s. response to this incident. chief? >> good morning. >> harris: all right, so the police chief in san bruno, california giving a time line before we saw this. and then pertinent detail in all of this. apparently there is an indication of why this woman nasnasime sabz.

apparently she had. she felt she was being suppressed. we knew that nugget. we had not had it confirmed by officials. >> she was upset that yubz was not allowing her apparently to do what she wanted to do on th platform per its policies. she used a different last name and they have located that account. so that may be where some of this is coming from. reports of that earlier. three people wounded. she killed herself according to police. this is san bruno, california, as would continue to get more information, we will bring it to you live from there. meanwhile, democrat officials across the nation are now suing to block the trump administration from adding a citizenship question to the 2020 united states census. we have been talking about this for a while. whether the lawsuit carries any weight. we'll talk more. and president trump says, quote, strong action is coming today to enhance enforcement of our nation's

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the commander-in-chief tweeting this morning this, quote: our border laws are very weak while those of mexico and canada are very strong. congress must change these obama era and other laws now. the democrats stand in our way, they want people to pour into our country unchecked. crime. we will be taking strong action today. that announcement comes one day after the president said this. >> until we can have a wall and proper security, we're going to be guarding our border with the military. that's a big step. we really haven't done that before or certainly not very much before. we need the wall. we need the protection. and we have to change our immigration laws at the border and elsewhere. >> lawmakers on both sides of the political aisle reacting to those remarks. here's g.o.p. congressman francis rooney. >> bigger question is it a good idea to escalate the tensions unnecessarily. >> and you don't think it's a good idea at least right

now, right? >> i would rather have the dealings with immigration be handled in a civil context and not a military one. >> dagen: but the idea of deploying the national guard to help enforce the border is not new. president barack obama deployed 1200 troops to do the job back in 2010. president george w. bush dispatched 6,000 back in 2006. jason, what else is the president talking. >> what else should congress do. >> i think the president is doing absolutely the right thing. i think there should have been a wall. i don't think the congress should have passed or authorized a funding bill nor put the president have signed the bill without the 25 billion to do the wall. i do think the troops is good. there is not enough focus. since 2016 there are more than 100,000 unaccompanied children that have come across the border and then we hand them out without doing the proper vetting to people who are gang-related and who knows?

i'm sure there are really good people who take these people in. you have 100,000 kids coming across the border and they are given out to who knows who. where is the cry for these kids who maybe 8, 9, 10 years old? >> harris: there was a huge cry a couple summers ago if you remember where the number 100,000 was like 90 in one summer. do you remember that? >> yeah. since 2016. >> harris: it's supposed to be a relative or someone close in this country that would take this child. the problem we found in detention type situations while they figured out where to put them which is what you are talking about this things can happen with those children. with our hearts we can lean on this issues as a nation. my issue goes deeper than that. this is going to offend a lot of people. we have some corruption south of our border in some governments. why don't they put forth policies that get their own citizens to want to stay more? i understand wanting to go north. i get it. in this term of like a wave of people, why don't those

governments do more to make its citizens thirsty for their type of life? >> lisa: that actualllife?his. >> dagen: that actually has resulted in fewer border apprehensions? >> harris: has it or his policies and bravado. >> dagen: peaked at 1.6 million in 2000. last year fell to 210,000. >> harris: because people want to stay in their country more? >> dagen: a better economy helps. the better the economy is in mexico the more likely they are likely to stay in their own country. >> lisa: congress needs to make this decision as well, do our laws matter? are we a nation of laws or are we a nation that follows our laws or are we a nation that enforces the laws? or are they irrelevant? that's going to be the differentiating factor as well is do we have increases in influx along the border of illegality as well as? because if these individuals coming from some of these

central american countries if they know our laws are essentially irrelevant and we don't respect our own laws, there is going to be an increase of individuals wanting to come to this country and take advantage of the fact that we don't follow those laws and those laws don't mean anything. a simple basic question we need to ask our selves and it seems to me that many on the left, the answer is no, our laws don't matter. we don't want to be a nation of laws. >> dagen: we should point out the troops deployed under obama and bush they were law enforcement activities. they were working to help repair equipment. monitoring equipment and sensors. they were necessary for support and seen as necessary under the last two presidents. >> maria: the question is how does donald trump want to use any military resources he sends there. right? is it to do with barack obama did and george w. bush did or something new? we don't know the answer to that yet. it's hard not to see this announcement in the context of his overall rhetoric on the border and immigration. it's hard when i hear you say congress should spend, what, $25 billion on the

wall. first of all, donald trump as a candidate promised us as voters that mexico would pay for it some of us thought that was never realistic but h he said it why should the american taxpayers be on the hook for something we could accomplish with much less money with overhead observation and others. >> harris: echo exactly what you are talking about. >> dagen: talk about the financial burden those illegal immigrants being in this country. we are required under the supreme court decision to educate all of those illegal immigrant children. some communities it's a huge financial burden. >> harris: what you were talking about, congressman, the moral burden of it all with regard to the children as well. >> people say it's more compassionate to do that. no, it's not. stop sending the signals that you win the lottery by coming to the united states of america. tell them you are not going to get across this border. you can't do it. >> dagen: thank you. the white house signaling today it may be looking to pull u.s. troops out of syria with isis being almost completely destroyed.

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it's time. we were very successful against isis. we'll be successful against anybody militarily. but, sometimes it's time to come back home. and we are thinking about that very deer seriously. >> harris: remarks follow same day officials from both the pentagon and state department and u.s. mission in syria is not over. some lawmakers have been voicing concern that pulling out now would allow isis to regroup. earlier today a military expert. >> our allies in the region particularly the kurds and arabs that are finishes the fight to isis and the iranians need to hear that america is resolved and america is resolute and ♪ going to abandon them. if we completely leave, we will have isis 3.0. they will begin plotting attacks and launching attacks into europe and the united states. >> harris: so military experts that i have talked to, including colonel waltz say that the problem with this is that they were seen as jv for so long that they

amassed in 14 different countries. we may have them on the run there does the footprint really look like? we took out footprint in raqqa? >> i think the president's heart is in the right place. i do believe your military. you go in and use everything with overwhelming force. you fight and then you win. and you come home. what has not yet been defined is what is victory? and i look at the -- against isis. you look at 17 years or so, in afghanistan. what is victory there? we have people that continue there imperpetuity. >> harris: isis is there too, by the way. >> look at northern africa. vacuum in libya. that's a major, major problem. we have to have the biggest, baddest military on the face of the planet and we do. you also have to have great intelligence. you are sending people in very difficult situations. i understand where the president says he wants to bring them home, but we're still going to have to fight and have good people doing hard things. >> harris: it's interesting, lisa, that the congressman

is using the word hard because the president is talking about something different. pocketbook. >> i think it's a combination of a bunch of things. i think the difficulty here is kind of like with north korea where there doesn't seem to be any good answers, right? there is no good solution here all of them could potentially lead to more dangerous environment. i also believe it's not just isis that we're worried about as well. it's also bad actors like iran and russia and the national defense strategy laid out by the pentagon. i believe it was in january. identified the fact that over the past decade our focus on counter terrorism has essentially emboldened these interstate strategic competitors like russia and iran. it's also a question of that. >> maria: right. >> lisa: leads to as well this complex and difficult situation that we're dealing with right now. >> harris: do you see a situation where russia becomes stronger if we pull out of syria in that particular conflict? >> lisa: i'm going to take your question and turn to

maria. >> dagen: you mentioned iran, guess who is awash in money because of the iranian nuclear deal so, again, to keep people -- to keep some troops in syria as a counter weight to the growing influence of iran. >> maria: when it comes to syria, yes, russia and iran will be the two countries mainly that fill the power vacuum if and when the united states leaves. syria as lisa said is more than isis. we have to define what american interests is there. we should not bring our troops home until isis is complete. russian and iranian troops intel and money all over it. if we pull out, our adversaries will come in. and that is a strategic problem in the heart of the middle east. >> harris: so, congressman, though there is a fine line between staying and getting the job done. my brain almost broke. i remember a time when you were on a team, maria, that saw this as a jv. >> we are also the ones that

put the strategy in place that led to the defeat of isis. >> harris: i think we have seen evolution fighting what i call the islamic state savages in this case. there is a fine line between doing the job that maria is talking band occupying. where are we? >> the caliphate is based on the occupation of land. when you have this vacuum of the military, the united states military pulling back, you don't have the leadership, the expertise and the intelligence to be able to control that territory. that's the problem. and so it was surprising, i think what donald trump said. but, again, i think his heart is in the right place. we have got to be very careful. >> harris: i want to ask you, day began, you brought u -- daganyou brought up this ia what it would look like for iran and russia filling the void there as the congressman said, do we need to stay on the ground to keep intelligence wise that from happening. >> dagen: some people think in terms of a counter weight. it's not just iran funded by russia's oil money, it is

iran funded by money that we essentially handed them as part of the nuclear deal. i want to remind people of what happened with iraq when barack obama declared victory, if you will, and withdrew from iraq. that gave rise to isis. so if it's not even the islamic state, it could be a another terrorist organization. >> lisa: also important to point out under the trump administration why have seen escalation and decrease of isis's foot hold exponentially under the trump administration because he has empowered our commanders on the ground to make decisions in a way that president obama did not. the numbers had changed very significantly. under the trump administration. >> dagen: let's see if president trump listens to his military leaders now. >> they don't want to leave. >> harris: we'll move on. china retaliating with new tariffs on scores of u.s. products less than 24 hours after president trump unveiled a list of chinese imports that he aims to target. the effect on the markets as some worry we are seeing a widening trade war. i'm so glad you are here,

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>> dagen: the dow falling triple digits earlier down nearly 500 points near the open. look at that rebound, rapidly rebounding, this all amid new concerns about the potential for a trade war. china announcing new tariffs on more than 100 type of u.s. goods including cars, aircraft and soybeans. this comes after the white house announced yesterday plans for fresh tariffs on $50 billion worth of chinese imports. amid the growing show down, president trump tweeting this morning: we are not in a trade war with china. that war was lost many years ago by the foolish or

incompetent people to represented the united states. now we have a trade deficit of $500 billion a year with intellectual property theft of another $300 billion a year. we cannot let this continue. president's top economic advisor echoing that. >> this is a growth action. i can't emphasize that. this whole administration is about growth, prosperity, optimism, jobs, wages. sometimes the path to this kind of growth is a little rocky. that's the way the world works. >> dagen: democratic congressman tim walls warning quote this is another example of a president who either doesn't understand or doesn't care about the consequences of his rash foreign policy actions. we need someone in the oval office who is going to put the interest of america's farmers and the working class over their own self-interest. president trump isn't cutting it. congressman, i thought that the approach to this

particularly starting with the steel and aluminum tariffs and then making exceptions to them has been ham handed and haphazard. however, the approach with china, there is a method to this madness because you don't know that these tariffs will ever be put in place. there is going to be a long period. the language you heard from larry larry kudlow, he talked about opening markets and opening barriers. that is exactly why the market turned around because, again, he is talking about how this is going to benefit both nations and both economies. >> well, president trump is right. there has been an imbalance for a long time. $500 billion is a big annual, just an annual deficit. and then you look on top of that, the intellectual theft and the markets in which the united states companies can't even play in china. there are several sectors we can't even do that i think the president has the president of china's attention now at this point. and i do think we're just asking for parody, asking to get a bit of balance in place. i don't see it as all-out war where each side is going

nuclear on their tariffs. but i do think that there should be a balance in this country. i think congressman walls is absolutely wrong because the status quo is not an even playing field. >> dagen: i just want president trump to be as angry if not angrier about our national debt and our budget deficits. >> amen. high five to you on that one. yes. agreed. >> dagen: again, this is not just economic retaliation by china. it's also political because if you look at the states, the biggest soybean and hog producing states in this country president trump won 8 out of 10 of them. you go after those states who backed him and you try inflict the most economic pain there that's what china is doing. i do want to point out that these tariffs may never be imposed by the two sides. it depends on how they work out. >> lisa: exactly. i think we are seeing the after the deal or dance of the deal right now happening between these two countries. harris looking at me. >> harris: it is a dance. >> lisa: we had his former

economic advisor for george w. bush saying this is the most willing he has seen china be willing to negotiate. that's what president trump is doing. he is also doing this with mexico and canada with nafta. he is laying down his marker, trying to get some concessions. is this a good idea or not? we will only know if he exdistracts concessions. >> harris: look, this sends the same kind of message that the president sent with tomahawk missiles in syria and other things he has done militarily. now he is sending it economically. if you have to sit down across from president trump to negotiate nativity tax pay attention to what's happening right now with china. and we are going to see our markets fluctuate because we are doing something we haven't done before. but a lot of analysts are saying exactly what dagen is, not all at fox business by the way. they are all over the place. you know, this is the kind of thing that you have to go through if you want to push for change. otherwise we can stay with 500 billion-dollar deficit do. we like that. >> dagen: there are a lot of farmers and manufacturers

biting their nails and wringing their hands including genera i didn't know n wisconsin. eric sneiderman suing to block the trump administration from including a citizenship question on the 2020 u.s. census. can they actually pull this off? we debate. ♪ ♪ dream are here too. so enjoy these 10 lobsterlicious dishes while you can because lobsterfest won't last.

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♪ >> maria: a coalition of 17 states, washington, d.c. and six major cities is now suing to block the trump administration from adding a u.s. citizenship question to the 2020 census. it would be the first time the short form census asks such a question since 1950. the new york attorney general eric sneiderman is the one spearheading the lawsuit. he says the citizenship question could actually cause an inaccurate population count that could hurt certain states. >> census officials have said very clearly that simply asking about immigration status will create an environment of fear and mistrust in immigrant communities, communities of color and from the census, the language of article one a full remuneration of persons in every state. we determine how many representatives each state has. how many votes you have in the electoral college. and how to distribute hundreds of billions of dollars in federal funds.

>> maria: congressman, we talked about this earlier in the week and i will come to you on this first. we talked about how the point of the census is actually to do a count of everyone in the country by the constitution. and there are some experts who worry this could depress turnout and lead to an inaccurate count. what's your take on this? >> i think you should ask this question. i don't think the democrats will prevail in try to be to get it off. historical precedent for doing it we are in the midst of a financial conversation in this country how to deal with millions here illegally. we have no idea is it 9 million or 14 million? why not ask the question because somebody might be offended? this is not an exercise in being politically correct. it's an exercise in understanding the demographics of what's going on in this country and all this flailing, why not take the oxygen that they are using to scare people and say you won't actually use this and turn it over to ice. everybody should fill it out and it's safe to do so. >> maria: harris, that's part of the question, there is a fear right now because

of some of the trump rhetoric, trump administration rhetoric. >> harris: i don't think that's what is driving the fear. >> maria: it's driving some of it they say. >> harris: where some politicians go and try to figure out aspect what they want to fight not based on facts. here are facts, you don't have to answer any question on the census. when you answer you better be honest. they can prosecute you if you lie. only question they expect to you answer is how many people are in your house there are going to be a lot of questions on that census guide. skip the ones you don't want to answer. that's what lawyers are saying. >> dagen: by the way i know this firsthand. this isn't a political talking point. census bureau workers because i was in the household survey used to calculate the unemployment rate three years ago. the census worker who showed up at my apartment was telling me very hard to count immigrants in this country, even legal immigrants because they will never open the door. it is an issue. and it has been an issue for years and years. the trump administration is planning to mine

immigration, social security and other state and federal records to check the accuracy of how you fill out your census form. >> harris: tell the truth. >> dagen: how much money are you going to spend on this and how much money is it going to be in the end? >> biggest problem with the census they are planning to do a lot of this on the internet and using electronic machines, what could possibly go wrong? maria lawill the legal challenges be wrapped up by the time this happens or will it be a moot point? >> lisa: i'm not sure. could we come to grips anything with the trump administration having to do with immigration is going to cause massive uproar from the mainstream media and the left and also going to invoke lawsuits. will get any action the president has taken on immigration, even the most basic ones that have historical precedent. and it is going to cause this uproar. you also, the concern about nonparticipation, oh, you can look at other questionnaires like the american community service questionnaire that does ask the question. i think the response rate is like 97% or exceeds that. >> we will see how it plays

out. >> dagen: this is a surprise. this is more breaking news. >> harris: oh my goodness. >> dagen: harris faulkner has a brand new book coming out. we are getting a sneak peek of the cover. called nine rules of engagement, a military brat's guide to life and success. >> harris: you and i will make each other cry over this. >> dagen: you talked to your dad for this book? >> harris: i did. i interviewed somebody i thought i knew so well and i learned who i am through those interviews. these are his war stories. and now i know why i drive everybody crazy with my nine rules in my life because i do have incredible discipline. it comes from the way that i was raised by my mom and my dad. this book is special to me because it is a way to win at life that i now can tell everybody and i know it works. it is rooted in my faith. it is rooted in things that are more secular about how reneg united states things. about how we get -- not what we deserve in life but what

we do negotiate and believe in. it's about devicing a mission for your life's dream and children. i'm really proud to have interviewed the people that are in this book. it's changed my world and i hope it will change others'. >> lisa: you speak highly of your father. can you give us a sneak peek of one of the nine rules? >> harris: of course. those special forces, those people in your squad, your inner circle, i'm a big believer in looking at that once a year and figuring out if you have the real people around you who will lift you up. we have plenty of people, some of them are relatives, who don't do that for us. they gossip, they bring us down. they work against us. sometimes we don't even realize it's happening. but, when you are in a battlefield situation, you need people who are going to watch your six, your back side as we say in the military. those who trust that you will do the same for them. i mean, i'm the kind of girl, i hope that people know, can you take me into a fox hole, no pun intended

and i got you. that's how i was raised, your special forces, your inner circle. some people need to reenknow enw straigh -- harris,i love you. >> harris: hairs i lovi love yo. it's hug your news anchor >> i am a lucky guy.

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>> thank you to mr. jason shea for directing mark chaffetz. >> dagen: tomorrow we are back at noon eastern. tomorrow. >> harris: promising strong action on border laws. taking a shot at his critics and democrats. "outnumbered: overtime," i am harris faulkner. the national guard with the southern border on mexico, vowing to put boots on the ground. the president tweeted "our border laws are very weak, paul the rules with mexico and canada are very strong. the democrats stand in our way. they want people to pour into our country unchecked, crime. we will be taking strong action today. ruben gallico,