tariffs announced against china by the president, maybe because of job numbers, we are not sure but we will keep an eye on that. >> arthel: a pleasure working with you. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> sandra: president trump getting tough on russia, slapping putin's inner circle with sanctions today. they own or control and 17 russian government officials. it is in response to what the administration said his bad behavior worldwide. this is "outnumbered," i'm sandra smith in here today, host of kennedy on fox business >> kennedy: . a town hall editor and fox news contributor >> katie: . republican strategist and fox news contributor, lisa boothe and joining us on the couch today, fox news senior correspondent live and in person, adam housley is on the couch and he is "outnumbered" and not in the field, breaking news story. >> adam: no fires or floods, shooting.

>> katie: he didn't bring us any california sunshine. >> adam: ever it is like a no. >> sandra: it is friday but it is a busy news day. targeting vladimir pugh and his inner circle, sanctioning seven russian oligarchs and 17 russian government officials. a dozen russian government come back governors owned by the oligarch as well as a state arm dealing company and a subsidiary bank. of the sanctions already responded to with the demonstration calls a totality of the russian government's bad behavior including russia's actions on crimea. support for cyber hacking and attempt to subvert western democracy. he was white house director of strategic communications earlier today. >> this is a continuing process that we are working on to ensure that russia's bad behavior and especially when it comes to the issue of election meddling in

this area, and on and across the globe. texas democratics democratic cs praising the move but he wants to see the trump administration do even more. >> there hasn't really been any real deterrence provided by this administration or this country to stop russia continuing to metal in our elections as we go into just a little more than seven months. another important national election in this country. it will be selecting our senators and our u.s. representatives in every state. these sanctions are a step in the right direction but there has to be a lot more and there has to be accountability for russia's involvement in 2016 and we have to stop them from getting involved in 1820 in those elections going forward. >> sandra: is a good question, will there be more? and will this relieve critics concerns of the president that he is not tough enough on russia. >> adam: you can see he's

asserting himself, with my mia, we thought america should have done more and clearly, they've been meddling in our elections. is not just the russians, you all know that on the couch as well. the israelis and north koreans, everyone metals and looks at what we are doing because we are the bellwether. clearly that's what he's doing here is enough so this is may be popular move for him. >> sandra: this is always been a question of president trump's relationship with vladimir putin. are we getting a firmer grip on what that relationship is? >> lisa: is the president has always had publicly he wants a good relationship with russia. he said that earlier this week with the leaders of the baltic states but during a press conference, he also said that russia had engaged in brutal occupation of those states. so maybe that was a precursor to today. my question about this new round of sanctions given who they're targeting is better eventually

they will ultimately get to president vladimir putin because he is in charge. everything that these people are doing, you talk about the low level meddling in elections around the world, that is being directed by vladimir pugh and then it doesn't have to be in his inner circle to be controlled by him. i'm wondering of the treasury department is going to go up. if you listen to the messaging the treasury department is putting out today, steven mnuchin was saying that russia is all about protecting the elites which is who they are going after. the administration has repeatedly tried to make sure that the russian people to some extent no we are not going out for you as a country, we are going after people controlling you and putting your interests beyond what is best for the country in favor of vladimir putin. if they want a president has always said he wants a good or at least a productive relationship vladimir putin or with russia i should say. is this evidence that he can so that he wants on that front?

>> kennedy: this is something we talked about earlier on the couch. are there has to be a level of unpredictability with russia because frankly, you can't trust them. we also talked about the state-sponsored doping system in that country and here, you have oligarchs, and they talk about -- bernie sanders talked about inequality and the knighted states. that is laughable compared to what happens to russia. you have to see how the food is at economy work and how does it benefit? people have to be very close to vladimir putin. if he is not going to blink or change his actions and behavior based on taking out some diplomats, this is a really good next step and you have to put pressure on the people who can put pressure on putin and if these billionaires. they don't have a lot going on with their economy. it's aluminum and natural gas and that massive energy conglomerate in russia, they are actually targeting the oil and they are targeting other sectors

where putin will be able to squeeze. >> lisa: predictability is important but so is putin not viewing president trump as weak as he did with president obama so that is important. but president trump is never going to satisfy his critics on this issue because it's being weaponize is a political tool to try to undermine president trump and to legitimize his presidency. that's what this has largely been for those on the left. as the entire reason why president obama swept meddling under the rug until president trump won the election and then he ordered the intelligence committees to do the review and then he slapped the sanctions on russia. it's the same exact thing. be three notches for the russia situation, but international? really, what does this do? they don't do a lot. it's an image move very clearly here with russia. will it satisfy his critics here in the u.s.? don't know. if it is an image move for the rest of the world. if he is trying to assert

himself in an international stage and you can make the argument that we haven't asserted ourselves. >> lisa: what could he do that would have a bigger impact? b3 how far you go with this? if a situation with china going on at the same time, so do you want to have two verbal battles going on potentially, to a true trade battles going on at some point, are they going to start slapping sanctions or making issues with our imports and exports like we do right now with what's going on in china? do you want to fight two of those battles at the same time, i don't know. >> kennedy: i think it's better to fight these battles. and was starting to be a proxy war the russians in syria, same thing is going to happen in afghanistan. i would much rather squeeze those billionaires because where the money is, believe it or not, there is not a lot of money. >> katie: on the issue of the money, they're doing things with slapping on sanctions, expelling diplomats the behind-the-scenes and publicly as well, they are

working with eastern european countries, the baltic states as we can announce they are now going to be able to back liquid gas from europe and from the united states. so they are doing things economically to put the hurt on putin. i think they're completely different situations. we imported five more from russia. we don't have an economic interest in russia. the eastern europeans do. he looked at the way that the europeans have responded to this as well in conjunction with the united states as a whole and even germany getting on board talking about cutting off some of that gas, that economically our big stops that they can take. >> kennedy: shut down their energy spigots. >> sandra: much easier said than done. >> kennedy: just turn those knobs. >> sandra: the president trump's slamming what he calls weak immigration laws in west virginia yesterday saying he wants to send two to 4,000 national guard troops to

the border with mexico to help federal officials fight illegal immigration and drug trafficking until a wall gets built. and he says it will get done. >> we have to have strong border. we are going to have the ball. we have already started buildin building. and fixing miles and miles of wall that's already been fenced. when we are going to have our wall and we are going to get it very strongly. the military is going to be getting some of it. we are going to have very strong borders. >> sandra: dana white giving some more details on all of tha that. >> effective immediately, we are establishing a new border security support cell. this is not business as usual. the sale will last for the foreseeable future to ensure research our capacity to meet the president's enhanced border security goals. >> sandra: no word yet on the cost to send the national guard down to the border but wherever the money does come from, it

will not affect readiness. all of this after border control announced illegal crossings in march outstripped the same month last year by more than 200%, but not everyone is on board with the president's plan. one critic, oregon governor kate brown. it is because there's been absolutely no planning, there's been absolutely no collaboration with the states. if this is something that the president railed off to distract from the problems that he's having in washington, d.c. >> sandra: what you think about what governor brown had to say there? >> kennedy: she's from oregon, she can put a cork in it. it's interesting because is not just the border states that offer national guard troops. we saw them come from utah in the past and there have been republican governors who are trying to figure out exactly what they need is and what those trips will be doing and for how long they will be deployed on the border. if i were in the california national guard over the

new mexico national guard, i'd be like what am i going to do there? they're not going to be armed. the list of things that are going to be helping surveillanc surveillance. >> adam: i was down there, they cover the border significantly. i was down there for two of the last to be when they brought national guard down before and its administrative stuff. they do help plug the holes to put more agents on the border but at the same time, they're not really doing -- it's an image move. they're not doing the work on the border agents in the sense that they are not out there enforcing with weapons for shutting the wall down. the border down. it's an image move and i think at some point, we have to address three things. when we talk about border and the border issues, we don't have a consistent policy still for people coming here. we haven't. if bush didn't do it, obama didn't do it, trump hasn't done it. i have friends who came to the u.s., a kid was kicked out of my third grade class because his

parents were caught in the fiel field. i've been around this my whole life and people in california and the border states, we see a different way. we don't have a consistent policy. i have friends who were illegal who were 16 and don't know how to do it. he went down and finally made himself legal but his family went on welfare's i had to pay for his family while he was getting legal. the first thing is we have to have a plan. you have to shut it down, have to control your border. and three coming up to be able to tell people here's how it works now if you want to come here. in all three of those things have to be done simultaneously. >> kennedy: they also can't be done by executive order. >> katie: i've been to the border as well. you're absolutely right about the issue of the law being inconsistent. it's inconsistent for people from mexico who come here, inconsistent now with the problem of family units coming here and the national guard being on the border is very important according to border

patrol agents and to local law enforcement agents in arizona, new mexico, california even in texas because they do offer some support. they're not helping them process illegal immigrants. the issue is a legislative one in the sense that family units who come here are required by law to be processed through the court system and essentially, once they come here, they are let go. they don't show up for the court date and then can't find them and deport them. they were different standards for central american families and there are for mexicans. so there has to be a consistent standard, the administration has called for that this week. i highly doubt congress is going to get anything done in the meantime the numbers we saw surged but it is a legislative problem. deterrence on the border to the coyotes in the criminal element of this is very important. >> lisa: is also becoming a political issue and this is when to be one of the defining moments of the 2,018 midterm elections and i think it works to president trump's and republicans advantage here because there is nothing but

driving out opposition for the republican party. your content with the economy, does that mean you're going to turn out? no. if your angry over illegal immigration, continuing to prioritize illegal immigrants over american citizens, that's going to drive you out. there's a political calculus to resident from making immigration such a big issue heading into the midterm election. >> sandra: we will leave it there. and things appear to be getting even uglier for facebook. the new revelations that a massive data misuse scandal. that could make his capitol hill testimony next week open testimony a whole lot bumpier plus, fox news retaining a newly revealed messages between those fbi agents who exchanged anti-trump texts. my days are raising new questions. and my former fbi director the director andrew mccabe got the boot.

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investigation between trump officials in russia. the two former lovebirds debated among themselves about what they will share with their superiors at the justice department when strzok returns to d.c. strzok texting page "i think we need to consider the lines of what we disclosed to doj. for example, the last stipulation notes we will not disclose." meantime, sources telling fox news that former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe was fired last month for committing three violations of the bureau's ethics code, violations initially uncovered by the doj's office of the inspector general and confirmed by the fbi office of responsibility. they include lack of candor under of, lack of candor when not under of an improper disclosure of nonpublic information to the meeting about the fbi investigation into the clinton foundation. obviously a lot of moving parts here. how are they coming together for you? >> adam: if you know anybody in the bureau, they will tell

you there is one thing beaten into your head from the very first moment you get a job there. lack of candor. there is no doubt that there are any agents who don't understand that. if you have your own internal agents who put out the recommendation that you be let go for lack of candor which is what happen here, that's not political. that means that they did, he did something, mccabe, that was not in line with what bureau agents are mostly doing which is amazing work around this world. so i find it interesting that this is a political hot-button issue because trump reading all this actually hurts trump because i think it's going to come out that the stuff was going on before trump even snipped running for the preside. mccabe and his folks have been doing some stuff that i think other agents have been battling since before trump was president and is starting to come out now and the clear part of this is the lack of candor. >> kennedy: you are nodding your head. one of the political implications here?

>> katie: is going to get a lot more political. there was a report this week showing that the gofundme page the andrew mccabe set up over the weekend because he is now going to be fighting a lawsuit because he is going to sue because he was fired for lack of candor on three different instances was set up by a d.c. lobbying firm with connections to people who worked in the obama administration. politics are about to get a lot worse and that is exactly that town to have that happen for the gofundme page to be set up that way. >> kennedy: he is not exactly making it look like he is not democratic operative. >> katie: he is fully embracing that you have his wife in "the washington post" defending him saying he did not use his public office to support her campaign when he actually did. but the one final point i want to make on the candor issue, a.k.a. being honest. the reason why they beat into every fbi agent's head is because they expect candor from every single person that they

interview and a standard should be the same between fbi agents conducting themselves and what they expect from people who they potentially put under criminal prosecution. that's exactly why it's so important. >> adam: i can tell you this, if you're an agent or somebody who works at the berlin is ever question about candor, you were moved to a position where you never have to testify because of they put you in front of a judg judge, and the agent or whoever works for the bureau to be no questions whatsoever. if there's ever any question of lack of candor, you were moved to a nonessential position. >> lisa: what is infuriating is how much time does the mainstream media and the left focus on russia and collusion with a trump campaign that is yet to produce any sort of evidence drawing a conclusion? yet, they blatantly ignore the brief synopsis that you gave leading into the segment, they ignore all of that and what's even worse and look what they are doing with andrew mccabe and his wife. they are making them the martyrs of the resistance movement that despite the fact that mccabe

lied to the fbi, that he is smarter. if you look enter andrew mitchell tweeting out, she supposed to be in the media. i just think it gives the whole game away of what the left and the mainstream media. >> sandra: the gofundme page. >> kennedy: perhaps we've gotten rid of the sum of the most politicized people within the fbi and doj. i don't know that for certain, but how do we reinstall face into the nation's premier law firm? >> sandra: that is the goal because i need to be restored and we are looking to the directors of the fbi and the doj to restore that trust in the american people. i know you're trying to jump in here. >> adam: it's going to come from the actual ages themselves and i think enough of them are upset. i can tell you i'm talking about eight to nine, some of them are

former, special agents in charge who are saying we need this change now. >> kennedy: we need to move on. new comments from former vice president joe biden raising questions about whether he will face off against president trump for the white house in 2020. but did voters already decide against him in 2016? and facebook troubles going ahead of mark zuckerberg's testimony before congress next week. if the project that was reportedly considering that involves hospitals and patient data, maybe yours is facebook sheryl sandberg says users would have to pay to opt out entirely from data sharing. are you going to go from that? okay folks! let's team up to get the lady of the house

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>> sandra: ahead of mark zuckerberg's testimony on capitol hill, looks like facebook's troubles are only getting worse. facebook responding to a new report it was in talks with top hospitals and medical groups as

recently as last month about a proposal to share data on a social network of their most vulnerable patients. facebook says the project is on hiatus. meanwhile, sheryl sandberg was asked in an interview if there is or could be a button or some sort of tool that people could use to opt out of having their data shared. she said there is not and if there was, it would have to be paid for. all this coming in as daily briefing dana perino is at facebook headquarters in california. he will be interviewing sheryl sandberg to the little bit later today on your show at 2:00 eastern time. what are you going to ask her? >> maybe she is watching right now so i won't give it all away. but you talked about some of the specifics that they have. i used to work at the white house where you dealt with daily crises. i think in some ways, a company like facebook right now, you wake up more than once a day and realized that we another problem on our hands.

sheryl sandberg joined the company ten years ago. she had worked in politics before with clinton white house and the treasury department. she was well regarded at google. she's in charge of the business side of things. the company has been quite idealistic and when it first started, people were very excited. have a chance to connect, create a global community, share pictures of your dog and my kids or your children in your case and it's going to be something so much bigger than that that it almost seems unwieldy and i want to ask her in particular about the business going forward and how they plan to manage it. >> sandra: it's really interesting and all of this as we await your interview with sheryl sandberg, and there's a huge job that this company has to do. publicly traded company, they have to answer to investors who have shown that they are quite concerned about the situation, so much market value has been lost and now the hearings next week which are going to be crucial. mark zuckerberg has been a very private person as far as ceos are concerned, we haven't heard that much from him.

he is going to be testifying at two open hearings next week. that is going to be a huge moment in addition to your interview this afternoon. >> i think that is a really good point and something that they've been doing a little bit of a media push this week but no one has really focused on the hearings as much. back in 1996, i worked on capitol hill in the telecommunications act was passed. that was a big deal back then and if you think about how much has changed from 1996 to 2018, all the technological changes in some ways as a progressive era was a response to the industrial age amount right now washington decides to do is not just facebook but with the other tech companies going forward in a way that doesn't stifle innovation but also encourages an ability for people to have trust in a company that now has its fingers in all the pies all around the world. every election, every business, every personal decision, pleasant data is now the very most valuable commodity in the

world. what is facebook giving with that data and we will certainly ask her about that. >> sandra: she is the inner circle when it comes to that company and there was a huge issue of trust right now. so we look forward to that interview. on the ground there. by the way, how is it around there? what are the headquarters like? >> is a lot like the 18th floor. i'm kidding. it's a huge campus. i have something like tens of thousands of employees, not necessarily here but all around the world. it's a very quiet company actually. big open plan but everyone is quietly working the way. you hear a lot of yelling like when greg gutfeld walks down the hallway and yells at me, that doesn't happen. >> sandra: it's a big day, we look forward to the interview. really important questions to be asked and answered there. thank you. i want to open it up to the couch or for discussion. talking a sheryl sandberg as we know, there's a huge job to do for this company to regain the

trust of their users who right now, that is a major question. >> kennedy: absolutely, and the users and the way they interact with each other. it has huge implications. knowing someone's most personal information, that holds the secrets to essentially how our society works. and a lot of that information is sacred. and people have to decide whether or not being on social media is more compromising your privacy. what i'd much rather see a premarket solution and have facebook taken to task by their own users and members of the media so they change how the company works from within? yes, i don't think the government should come in and forcefully oppressively make these companies change, but facebook is and a lot of deep yogurt and this is not some touchy-feely loosey-goosey organization. they were in national security implications to the information they have, how they use it, and how it affects outcomes of things like elections.

the three facebook are not the only ones. >> lisa: there's also a little bit of hypocrisy here when zuckerberg goes to capitol hill because a lot of these members of congress knew that facebook had been monetizing data and they take advantage of tools available to help win elections and help advertise the voters so there's an element of hypocrisy there. but they are in big yogurt, deep yogurt. because they have no friends right now. the voters and americans are upset with them over these revelations about how their data has been treated. republicans view them as centering their content, so there angry at facebook. to the left has used facebook as a scapegoat in the whole russian narrative they have no friends right now and politically, when you have no friends, you are in big time trouble. the three i think it's interesting because i'm going to say this, i'm a facebook fan, i text pictures to every member of my family so the kids pictures are up there.

there's an article that came out last week that everyone needs to read and most americans probably didn't. it said you're being monitored, everything is being collected, get over it. take away facebook, everything we do online, now you read homecoming refrigerator. everything that comes with your car. alexa, google. so the question becomes if you can blame facebook and rip facebook, you can blame whatever the next link is going to be because there'll be another one, but where does it start them over to the end, what is the policy? as americans, we have always been big about our freedom. >> kennedy: i want to see them combined with the government because that surveillance with government surveillance, mark zuckerberg has left the door open to that. he said i would be open to regulation which is really interesting turn. >> katie: whether the government will actually do a better job of protecting people's information is a huge question and probably they won't necessarily do a better job. but in terms of the information that is being shared here, there was reported this week showing the facebook went to hospitals and asked them to share patient

information hospitals have, not that facebook had come out with facebook to try to develop some kind of data system. i think as a whole other ball game because you're not just on the web site filling in your political ideology or posting photos voluntarily and understanding as a free service so they're going to make money off of you by selling your data. if facebook was actually going to these doctors and hospitals to try to get medical information, the cross as a whole of other lines. in terms of the regulation aspect of this, free market proponents have been cautioning them for years about if you didn't start regulating themselves, the government will come in and do it for them. that's exactly where we are now with mark zuckerberg is testifying next week in front of congress. >> sandra: likely this will be big news for the company today. an hour and a half from now, don't forget to watch dana perino at facebook headquarters with that life interview featuring the chief operating officer sheryl sandberg coming up on the daily briefing at 2:00 p.m. eastern

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>> lisa: fox news alert, president from doubling down on considering tariffs and an additional $100 billion in chinese goods after beijing's tariff retaliation earlier this week that china's government now saying it will "counter attack with great strength of the goes ahead with his plan and stocks under pressure today amid growing concerns about a trade war. president trump in a radio interview airing this morning saying there may be some short-term pain in the market but that ultimately, this will benefit our country. china finally being held to account. >> we don't have a trade war. we've lost a trade war because for many years, whether it's clinton or the bushes for obama, all of our presidents before have for some reason just got worse and worse and now it's $500 billion in deficits. we are going to a much stronger

country when we are finished and that's what i'm all about. we have to do things that other people wouldn't do. >> katie: some lawmakers are raising even more concerns the republican senator ben sasse and hopefully the president is just blowing off steam again but if he is even have serious, this is nuts. turn is guilty of many things but the president has no actual plan to win right now. he is threatening to light american agriculture on fire. with a plan that punishes them instead of us. this is the dumbest possible way to do this. i want to go to you first on this. there is some short-term pain happening right now but it doesn't seem like congress, they always say we need to do something that doesn't punish us but also punishes china. i haven't actually seen a lot of movement in terms of plans on how to do that. >> kennedy: paul ryan and ben sasse are essentially saying the same thing. i don't have a problem with that, that's beef up that's fine. what is the plan?

give us some direction. as americans, what do you plan to do because right now, it does seem like the president is essentially carpet bombing and if we do go into a trade war and prices increase, who does that hurt? it hurts lower and income earners and that seems like a really bad idea for the president politically, but i was talking to an economist the other day and he was saying this is just the beginning of a negotiation. if that's the case and if we can shut down china's intellectual property theft which i think is the most egregious thing that they do and have a better trade agreement between our two countries, our economy. >> sandra: is safe to say a lot of the cell if we are seeing right now, down 350 points in the dow is because of the sphere of trade war. larry kudlow, the new economic advisor for the president has been out there sort of trying to bring a column to the marketplace saying adobe met at the president. be mad at china.

when you look back and you say this is the president following through on his campaign promise promises, this is the president following through on donald trump the businessman's promises. he's been talking about getting tough on china for a long time. it is wanted to do this for a long time. i don't see going away anytime soon. >> katie: i want to go to you in the political implications of this. we have the senator saying let's not light agriculture on fire. he is talking about the center of the country, big trumped fans. i've been seeing a lot of dancing i am a big supporter of the president but i am concerned about tariffs. there is a short-term problem here. do you think that people in those states are going to be able to write it out so to speak and willing to still be supportive of the president at the end? >> lisa: you could also make the argument is trade is what helped deliver the rest felt a president trump even going back to the michigan primaries for people on both sides of the aisle, republicans and

democrats, a majority thought that trade cost americans jobs. i think that's primarily one of the reasons he was able to help cobble that coalition together. to kennedy's point, it depends on what the end result is here. it president trump if this is just a negotiation tactic and he does get concessions from china, everyone is going to say he's a genius. if it escalates into a trade war, if people feel the pain of this and there is no positive end result, that is going to be disasters we don't really know at this point, it ultimately depends on what happens. >> adam: it simple. it is as a negotiation tactic and is there a plan? it's that simple. the president does have that reputation weather is true or not of being off-the-cuff. what is this off this off-the-cuff appearance for the true plan behind it? i hope so as an american and if it is, it's a brilliant move. if it's not, then we could put ourselves into some trouble. >> katie: comparing the chinese economy to the american

economy is a little bit like apples and oranges. china is actually pretty far behind the united states but china is a communist government run economy whereas the united states as free markets and they have less to lose than we do. they are in it for the long run. >> kennedy: absolutely. they have laid out the long game, the 50 year plan for china's dominance. they do have a ways to go and it's about attacking freedom. it's the same thing for xi jinping and vladimir putin. they don't like free market economy. they don't like the individuals have so much say in how the economy runs and works. if they don't want to enrich the mass is necessarily through the capitalistic system that has ever been created. and if that is why when the president talks about putting america first, that resonates with people because we should want our economy to flourish and thrive and we should want this country to be the best country on earth.

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>> lisa: welcome back as kennedy dances in the corner. a growing speculation over which democrats will further happen to the ring in 2020. now sources tell fox business that former vice president joe biden is telling democratic donors he is considering another presidential run. he says one of the reasons is a small age difference between himself and the president and that he also believes he can wi win. but a biden spokesperson says he has not made a decision yet and right now, he has focused on helping democrats in this year's midterm grade several months ago, there were reports that biden was the only democratic candidate at the present and abuse is a formidable challenge challenger. president trump basically ran his campaign and we've seen eradicating president obama's

administration, all of his policies. where does that leave biden as vice president? >> adam: he'll run on being of the good old guy. what is interesting is that all of the different people that want to possibly run, we saw with the last election, saw so many republicans in the ranks, we saw the democrats as well but you might see a flip-flop there. trump running for a late in this mass of people, possibly the mayor of los angeles, have all these people that say they want to run and then there's joe biden, kind of the old guard. it's going to be interesting to see him in the race. >> lisa: that's a great point. the democrats party has veered left much to the left of joe biden. so biden who has twice tried to run for the democratic nomination and failed can even get through to the primary? >> kennedy: i think biden had a good chance of winning a 2016. i think he would've done much

better than hillary clinton. i don't know that 2020 joe biden does as well. it depends on how the economy does and how voters are feeling and what the passion level is. if biden gets in, they're all getting in. sanders getting in, elizabeth warren is getting in. hillary is like if you guys are going, i'm going. i'm better than all of you simpletons. >> lisa: they should say it like that too. fact-check to. i think it was a failure to connect with working-class voters. there are thoughts that joe biden would be much better with connecting with those kinds of voters. it's at something president trump should be concerned with? >> katie: president trump is doing the things he promised to do for those voters and those counties that were pro-obama and then slip to trump. has promised them and therefore they are willing to give loyalty back to them. for joe biden, i think his ship

has sailed in foreign terms of where the democratic party is going. he was making the argument that joe biden doesn't offer the intersection analogy that someone like kamala harris but offered in terms of each group in the resistance. that is something they're going to have to look at. but they keep pulling out these far left candidates from places like california and massachusetts when really, they're going to need someone from the middle of the country or someone who at least has that background. >> lisa: do you think this is even real or is biden just sort of flirting with the idea to get attention? >> sandra: his announcement that he is running has already been written because he basically delivered it in the rose garden when he said he was not going to be running with president obama standing behind him. that being said, i don't know. you constantly are looking at the bench on both sides. who else other than old guard? a biden debate.

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>> sandra: thanks to everybody here. thank you for everything you do. we are back monday. live at noon eastern time. i'm sorry, take it away. >> we begin a fox news alert. good afternoon to you. the new details on president trump's border crackdown coming out. welcome to "outnumbered: overtime," i am julie, and for harris faulkner today. between 2,000 to 4,000 national guard troops, the president wants them to stay there until the wall is built. emphasizing the need for strong borders to stop illegal immigration, he discussed this during his event in west virginia. it's because we have started building. fixing miles and miles of wall that is already up and fenced. we are going to have our wall and we are going