pete: see you tomorrow guys. >> ♪ ♪ neil: they're lucky i wasn't there welcome everybody i'm neil cavuto and who says weekends are for resting? apparently not one donald trump, the president fighting fire with fire, from tariffs on china to troops at the border. donald trump has got the world wondering and stocks tumbling. let's just say not your usual weekend, courtesy not exactly business as usual president today a look at why donald trump has china's president wondering, russia's president and mexico's president will kind of fumbling and like i said markets the world over gyrating the fall out from a president decidedly not sticking to script, so neither

will we. whether it's trade or troops we've got you covered from start to finish we're monitoring the president so far no tweets but keeping on top of it whose at the white house this early saturday morning and the latest from wall street and what is likely to happen come bright and early monday morning but we begin at the border, or more specifically, the steady wave of illegals still crossing that border. the president is now set to send troops ahead of building that wall. first to griff jenkins at a california community trying to protect itself from getting illegals who are already here. now griff, you witnessed this firsthand earlier this week, how one california city simply said enough is enough. griff: that's right good morning , neil. neil: good morning. griff: first the deployment of nearly 4,000, 250 national guard troops being deployed as we speak in texas and they're on their way in arizona, the governor call up the activation of 150 guard troops in arizona but don't expect them to be on the way in california where it was just 24 hours ago along the

mexican border in san diego because governor jerry brown has been silent over activating troops and it says he's facing an undeniable backlash from not just escondido but more than half a dozen cities pushing back against the controversial sanctuary state laws, in particular, sb54 which prohibits corporation and communication between local and federal law enforcement. well when we were in escondido that city council meeting, neil, was fiery. take a look. >> sanctuary cities are not just a california problem. they are an american problem. >> how is my hard work rewarded by deporting my family? >> we're talking about tearing families apart. this is a very real thing. >> i speak to you as an immigrant myself. i came to this country 45 years ago with me and my mother okay? 45 years ago we were not offered sanctuary. we were not offered an easier softer way okay? we were told you have to be an

american citizen and here is what you have to do and we did it. griff: supervisors of the san diego county board told me they intend to do something on the 17th and just to put this in full perspective. the mayor of escondido told me he's pulled more than 2,000 illegal criminal aliens off the streets because of having ice agents stationed in his police department, well that's no more under these new laws. ice in san diego field director told me directly he used to be 30 years ago and i say in that escondido police department and it made quite a difference and finally neil when i was reporting yesterday on that mexican border in san diego, an agent told me off camera that two illegals tried to jump the fence about a half mile from where i am. i asked him would you like to see the guard troops down here and he said you bet, there are more eyes they could have seen things and call it in for me but it is ground zero for what

president trump is trying to do on the border it appears. neil: great reporting my friend and it was riveting and the city to your point opted to go this route and seek sanctuary, california becoming a sanctuary state, thank you very very much griff. now, with us is escondido california mayor who joins us for this fight against the sanctuary law. you know, mayor when you and i last talked before the vote it was characterized as anti- immigrant, you'd said paraphrasing here, that's news to me because i'm an immigrant. explain. >> i came to this country, neil , 30 plus years ago. i came here for the american dream. i came here to live safely with my family, and here we go, i am fighting for our sovereignty and to keep our community safe. this is insanity, neil. this doesn't happen in any country in the world. california now is sanctuary for poverty, for illegal immigration , for illegal criminals. we have 12% of the population

and we have 30% of the welfare. 25% of the homeless in the nation are in california and now , we're going to harbor illegal criminals. those policies collectively will make california a third world country. i believe the entire country under president trump is going to prosper and i think california is going to retreat under this policy. neil: you know, i talk to so many lawyers who confuse me on this subject to whom you owe allegiance the state that says remain a sanctuary state and follow what we tell you to do with the federal government that says you have the constitution, sanctuary anything, is not part of it. >> we have deported 2,000 illegal criminals, criminals since 2,010, as when i was elected mayor. we have worked closely with ice. this is a success story in keeping our community safe, neil

we have reduced crime by 33% and made escondido as safe was it was in 1980. now we are concerned, we are extremely concerned with governor brown and the state legislator of going so far they have crossed the line, we're no longer talking about giving illegal immigrants financial support, we're no longer talking about the welfare. we're no longer talking about the economy. we're talking about the safety of our families and residents. we are not going to sit back. we're going to fight the fight. we're going to take this case to the supreme court and we have a lot of national organizations that are going to help california restore the law and order. we are a nation of immigrants neil but we are a nation of legal immigrants. we are a nation of law and order , and that's how i feel. neil: you know, mayor, you're right. it has morphed into your anti-

immigrant if you don't support this you're anti legal immigrant but the president will have the first wave of guardspen arriving at the border early next week. your governor so far not signed on to that but oregon and montana a host of others have opted not to use guard troops within their states to help out. what do you think? >> i believe this governor and california and sacramento should stop fighting and challenging this president. they're going to be at the los ing end. we need to keep southern california and california safe but if we, if california becomes a sanctuary state, that will effective are city and every communities that's only in california but in the entire nation. they're going to move around but my concern is if california is the only sanctuary state here, we're going to be a magnet for criminals, for poverty, for welfare, and that's not going to

, california will be a third world country like europe now. look what happened in europe. they are at the verge of bankruptcy. the debt in california is getting close to $1 trillion, and still they're troubling down and tripling down. we need to keep our security, our borders safe, and i support the trump adminitration effort to keep us safe. neil: thank you mayor very very much. good seeing you again. >> thank you. neil: all right, you've already heard how the attorney general jeff sessions says the administration has a zero tolerance policy for illegal border crossing activity. the read in the next hour from the former arizona governor jan brewer who shares his concerns and in the meantime you concerned about what's been happening to your stock investments? chances are over the past week they've been tanking and a lot has to do with a tough trade policy toward china. the president says it's all going to work out but in the meantime for those who are looking at the portfolio so far

not so much. tracy is here to chop it all down. >> good morning not liking the tit for tat over tariffs and what started out as president trump proposing tariffs on chinese aluminum and steel back in march quickly escalating this week to more than a thousand chinese products and now they're threatening to do the same to us including u.s. farm goods, a move scene is going after trump country that had prices on everything from soybeans to wheat futures tumbling as investors bet a trade war would hit them most and stocks tumbl ing too the markets swinging with each tariff headline with china warning of retaliation earlier in the week to the white house trying to countdown fears mid week to trump threatening $100 billion worth of even more tariffs at the end of the week and with china then vowing to fight back "at any cost" the dow losing 572 points at the close on friday, and the selling spreading overseas markets in europe and

asia also in the red on friday, all this is trump's chief economic advisor telling you, neil, blame china. >> i think a lot of those folks are sick and tired of unfair trade practices. you know, you can't put it on president trump. it's blame china. we're trying to unwind decades of poor trade policies. >> so neil as we've seen in the past, trade wars can start out small, and then get big, and never go as planned only time will tell where this one ends up neil: all right we'll get our first idea probably sunday evening. that's when asian trading begins and reacting to all of this. the chinese by the way i should point out are still there over the president's stance on this, it's commerce ministry spokesman saying china's fully prepared to hit back forcefully and without hesitation we feel america's very arrogant they've taken the wrong action, so what is going to be their reaction and what

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>> president trump: i'm not saying there won't be a little pain but the markets gone up 40% 42% so we might lose a little bit of it but we're going to have a much stronger country when we're finished and that's what i'm all about. we have to do things that other people wouldn't do, so we may take a hit and do you know what ultimately we're going to be much stronger for it. neil: all right, that was the first time i've heard the president acknowledge, you know, there could be some short term pain before we get long term gain from getting tough on the chinese and getting them to concede that they do cheat, and by the way almost everyone agrees no matter what you think of the president's reaction to this that the chinese do rig their markets, their currency make it difficult for those to do business in their country. they just differ over this approach and whether tariffs and more tariffs are the answer. let's go to fox business network charlie gasparino, fox news

contributor gary b. smith, retail analyst and economics professor brian branberg. i never had a professor like brian when i was in school and if i did i would have been much more interested and paid more attention. professor, i heard you the other day saying let's not jump to conclusions over the president is being rash or crazy here. you see a method to this? >> well the president loves uncertainty as the pre lewd to a negotiation. why would china come to the table if they know exactly how the u.s. is going to respond? i think he actually wants the stock market to go down a little bit. he wants people to get nervous because china says i have to take, we have to take these seriously there may be something to this we need to come to the table. neil: he wants that he wants a volatile market? he's been loving the market on the way out. >> if china believes he's bluffing then what do they give? nothing. he's got to have this uncertainty. his advisors have been too good actually at calling down markets after these announcements, after this last one they finally not

have been able to do it the market went down, now you have that opening where china says he just might be serious. neil: gary b., what do you think of all of that, this is all part of the strategy? >> well i agree with most of what brian said. i don't think trump wants the markets to go down. trump loves good approval ratings, a high market, anything positive he loves, but i do think the market is kind of discounting two things in our favor. one, we're the big buyer here. we have the power over china as far as imports to exports, almost 4:1. the second thing is that i think people forget, you can discount almost everything trump brings to the table but you can't discount that he's a good negotiator. that's where we built this fortune. and you need the negotiating skills. charlie: how? gary?

>> i think for those reasons i think trump is right and the markets going to go down a little bit but i do think overtime i think the markets going to respond up at the end of the year. charlie: give me one example where he negotiated well in his business career? trump university? >> do you think you can get by in new york real estate without negotiating well? neil: how did he become a billionaire? charlie: have you seen his tax returns are you sure? neil: you don't even think he's a billionaire? charlie: i'm just wondering. neil: no you share that same attitude? >> i do and honestly, i mean, we're talking about trump's negotiating skills but i really don't think people are talking about this trade war that will have an impact on retail. i don't think it has that much of an impact on retail. people are freaking out right now. neil: why are they freaking out? >> they think prices are going up on discretionary items that we're talking about tech items, we're talking about things like

-- neil: you will acknowledge the presidents of both parties failed getting the chinese to change their ways right? >> of course. neil: so what's wrong with trying a different route? >> well this is fine but people are i think the issue here is that people think that this is really going to have an impact on how people are going to be spending it. neil: well the impact fails. >> we're talking about discretionary items neil. we're not talking about non- discretionary items. neil: i have no idea what you're talking about. >> we're talking about things that people can just spend money on. charlie: i think you have to look at it this way first off of his negotiating skills. i've covered the guys business career for years i want to see one example where he really negotiated well. did he negotiate well on his junk bonds, that were nearly in default and really negotiate well when his real estate empire was insolvent? his fortune which is probably a billion or two i'd say. neil: do you like what he did in regulation? charlie: he did not negotiate. neil: after the way he was able to craft the tax cuts.

they got through. charlie: i like some of them. neil: will you credit him with anything? charlie: he did not invent the tax cut. neil: wait wait wait. did he do anything good in his 14 month as presidency? charlie: yeah, those items which were part and parcel of the republican agenda and here is where the pain is going to be felton this when you do not a comprehensive trade policy when you do this tit for tat stuff. neil: well we don't know. we don't know. gary b., you're listening to this and getting furious. well as furious as you can get because you don't have a temper. >> i'll give you this because charlie says oh, trump basically is saying he's not a good negotiator. trump in the greatest negotiators of all-time convinced the american public for every what, 15 professional politicians that have been doing this their entire life went against the grain of everything that politics has ever stood for and managed to get elected. >> that's not a negotiation that's a good campaign.

neil: professor you're hearing all of this. when you address your students on this, very unique outside the box in fact the box is nowhere near where he is, president, how do you describe him to people? how do you describe to your students how he's going about with this tough china talk? >> well politics is a little bit different than business and i think it's important to recognize it and yes his background is in business but these sorts of things translate in different ways and politics and right now he has everyone's attention in a way that nobody else has. ultimately what i tell my students -- charlie: that's what you always do when you're the president. >> not necessarily charlie. >> this is different. there is something new here have people looking at the possibility. neil: so you're optimistic. >> i am. >> but every single second of the day all over the world there's no other president. it's either good or bad. charlie: but last week -- >> listen i have no problem holding chinese feet to the fire no problem, but let's be clear here and professor you should know this.

the real sort of damage with tariffs can be seen with what happened with obama, bush and reagan didn't work. neil: all right but their approach to dealing with china didn't work either. charlie: well is his approach working? i hope so. neil: let's listen to the professor and give this a chance before you bash it. charlie: listen to you. [laughter] >> can we also just recognize we do not have these tariffs in place. we are still -- neil: not yet. >> in the negotiation phase. let's see howl it plays out. neil: we shall see how it goes gary b., you've got to calm down i just want to say that. by the way we are getting wind of what the president is -- >> i put foil to charlie. neil: there you go the president with his weekly video address is looking at this whole border situation saying i'm also calling on congress to immediately close the deadly border security loophole that endanger our country all over our country, we're living with laws that simply don't work. former arizona governor jan brewer and why she thinks the president is on to something here, politically correct or not

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neil: okay, we've had a crazy week in the markets here, and a lot of anxiety over what this whole trade war, whatever you want to call it, eventual trade war with the chinese could mean down the road the market buffet ed big time on friday los ing more than 500 points and concern this could escalate and the federal reserve did check on this jerome powell addressing this in chicago yesterday saying that this is a long way to being all sorted out, so he's giving you the benefit of the doubt but that if it were to get out of control could lead to higher prices and all that and that would be something for the

federal reserve to pay attention to, for now, i'm not, not that they're ignoring it just watching it minneapolis federal reserve bank president with us now, neil good to have you. >> thank you, neil good to see you. neil: you know, the one thing that i've got reading between the lines and even trying to pay attention to on the line from jerome powell is that so far so good with this thing, tariffs the long way from taking effect even though as you know in the futures market they already have had an effect and clearly in the stock markets they've had an effect. where do you see this going and why should average folks worried about interest rates be paying attention? >> well we should all be paying attention because the range of outcomes is so large. i'm sympathetic with the need to push china to really engage in fair trade, not just one-sided trade they've been engaging in for so many years. this could be a lot of chest pounding and it could be a lot of plusser and not lead to real impact on the economy but it could lead to a trade war or

something in the middle where it's a lot of bluster, but it scares both businesses and investors and they pullback and that could impact the growth of the u.s. economy so i think the impact on main street is going to be seen over the long term. i do think it's very important and we at the federal reserve are paying attention but it's too soon for any of us to judge and none of us knows how to weigh the probability of these different outcomes. neil: what we do know just judging by early activity in the futures markets and trade things like soybeans and corn and wheat and cotton, and even pork bell ies the kind of stuff that for example, can be a sort of a report card on how those prices are going, across-the-board they've all been falling we'll talk later on to a pig farmer of all things that worries the longer it keeps going the more it could push him potentially out of business. how realistic is that? >> it's a very real concern. in my region here what we call the ninth federal reserve district which is minnesota and the dakotas and montana we hear from farmers all the time.

ag prices have been low for a long period of time. generally their balance sheets were more conservative and they've been holding on but they've also said the low prices can't go on forever so to the extent that the trade friction lowers ag prices further and puts more pressure, it is going to put pressure on farmers and probably lead to more consolidation and could effect the banks that are lending to those farmers so we are paying attention it is a real concern. neil: you know this might be a crazy flip side o this neil if you'll indulge me in the meantime if those prices continue to go down wouldn't consumers notice that at the grocery store i'm paying less for bacon, less for sausage and bread that sort of thing so in the interim it might have quite the opposite effect that consumers might be relieved. >> i think that's probably reasonable. it's going to, the overall effect it's going to have on inflation is very hard to tell so maybe in the short term it provides relief locally but also raises the prices of imports how that washes out in overall

inflation is hard to judge right now. we need to know sector by sector what the impact is and so that's just that uncertainty i think is scaring people a little bit and i understand that. neil: you know, listening to you and some of your cohorts at the federal reserve not that you're a criminal group by the way, i get the sense that come, you know, we're going to get higher interest rates are going to continue going higher. it's just a matter of degree right whether we have two or three more rate hikes this year, but they're going higher. is that a foregone conclusion? >> i don't think it's a foregone conclusion. we are data dependent. we do put out our summary of economic productions where we say how many rate hikes we think are going to happen over the course of the next year and i think you're right the median is around two or three more hikes over the course of the year. for me, i want to see more evidence that wages are going up we had a jobs report that came out yesterday that was somewhat disappointing but i'm not over reacting to it i think the job market continues to be strong. neil: but you mentioned that jobs report neil, i'm sorry my friend but you did mention jobs

report was being disappointing of only 103,000 jobs are created about half what we thought we would get, and that had some people saying well you certainly don't have to go crazy hiking rates for an overheating economy because it's not overheating what do you think? >> well i think that the most important measure for me is it's not just the job number itself the hundred thousand, and that's on the back of a 300,000 number the prior month, so if you average this out over a couple months the job market continues to be strong it's wage growth. wage growth is ticking up a little bit but it's not showing signs of accelerating. that tells me we probably still have room to run before the economy starts overheading so i've been urging us to be patient allow the wage growth to continue to build, workers will be better off and will help us get towards our 2% inflation target. neil: all right very very good seeing you again thank you for taking the time. >> thank you, neil i appreciate it. neil: all right in the meantime we are following a follow-up from all of this and how by the way the market might respond to all of this. the first chance will be looking at the asian markets but again, they are all jittery because you

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neil: all right, a source is telling fox news that former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe was fired for violating the fbi 's ethics code not once, try three times, ohio republican congressman jim jordan joins us on the phone. congressman sits on the house judiciary committee, congressman thanks for taking the time. >> you bet. neil: what's going on here because it wasn't a matter of a single incident but several.

no, he mislead his boss and comey and he mislead the opr, office of professional responsibility and he mislead michael horowitz and inspector general and the last one was actually under oath, so yeah, that's why he was fired so i think what this does, neil more than anything it underscores why in fact we do need a second special counsel to get to the bottom of this entire fisa abuse that took place at the top level s of the fbi. neil: well it doesn't look like jeff sessions is going to let that happen for the time being, your thoughts? >> well, in his letter to congress, the attorney general said only under extraordinary circumstances do you name a special counsel. well how about this set of facts james comey's been fired andrew mccabe deputy director has been fired, jim baker former chief counsel at the fbi has been re assigned peter strzok former deputy head of counter intelligence has been reassigned and lisa page has also been reassigned and the last two were on the mueller

team and removed because of the crazy things they said in their text messages. if that's not extraordinary circumstances then define what is, so i can not figure out what the attorney general is waiting on. no one questions mr. huber, he's a good guy but you've got to have a second special counsel because i don't know how the fbi investigates themselves and how you can have more extraordinary circumstances than five of the top people at the fbi either being fired or demoted. neil: you know, congressman you're probably aware that mr. mccabe's wife wrote a column that the undue attention and the nature of these charges against not only herself but her husband obviously, they've raised a lot of money apparently seeking out support for legal fees and raising close to $70,000 at last check. >> i think it's half a million. neil: oh, i am way off. go ahead. >> well, no, i mean look, the fundraising, you know, i think people on the left they think someone is against president trump they're going to

contribute money, that's what that looks like but never forget , andy mccabe met with terry mccollough to obviously get help with her state senate mccain when terry was under investigation by the fbi. what is andrew mccabe with his wife meeting with the governor of virginia when he's being looked at by the fbi to solicit his help in her campaign. that is not supposed to happen so that's just one more thing that andy mccabe engaged in. neil: do you think the president should talk to robert mueller? >> i'd leave that up to the president and his lawyers, you know, they know what's best in the situation. what i do know is to date, not one bit of evidence to show any type of coordination between the president of the united states and russia in this election but we have all kinds of evidence that the democrat national committee and the clinton campaign paid the law firm who paid christopher steele who put together the dossier and that

was taken to the fisa court and they didn't tell the court who paid for it and they didn't tell the court that the author of that work product christopher steele had his relationship terminated with the fbi because he broke a cardinal rule. he went and talked to the press he was actually working with the fbi so they didn't tell the court the whole truth, what you're supposed to do when you're in a court of law. neil: still back to the president, one final question we're told that the president at least if this leak is accurate and these leaks are all over the map, is a subject of interest but not necessarily a criminal one. could that be sort of like a way to tempt the president to talk to mueller and then set him up for something worse? >> you know, maybe who knows. i think the key point is he's not a target never has been a target. james comey told him that a year ago even before comey was fired. neil: do you still leave that now they've had a lot of time to dig into stuff and we're told they're looking into his business and the trump organization for many years ago.

i mean sounds like it's going way beyond its original but what do you think? >> you know, neil here is what i want to know too. why did rod rosenstein have to send a second letter in august. rose sends another letter in august to redefine the full scope of what mueller could look at. i want to see that letter and know the copy we've gotten, that congress has gotten has so much redacted that you don't know what he said so i'd like to see that to find out what the scope is because the scope was supposed to be was there coordination between trump campaign and russia to influence the election and to date not one bit of evidence. neil: real quickly while i still have you, sir. trade wars going to get bad. are you worried? >> our district in ohio is one of the temperature manufacturing districts in the country and we're also the start of the ag belt so i'm very concerned about this. we'll see how it plays out. i understand the president has focus on trying to get china to not be stealing intellectual property and doing things in the

right way but i'm a little concerned because like i said we're the start of the agriculture belt and one of the top manufacturing districts in the country. neil: sir thank you very very much. we appreciate it. in the meantime next week you'll have one of the world's richest man or not as rich he's loss lost $15 billion in market value mark zuckerberg will appear before a house committee answering questions about what he knew and when he knew but millions of people's records compromised put into the wrong hands but how far does this go? and what should he do after this tomorrow, it's a day filled with promise and new beginnings, challenges and opportunities. at ameriprise financial, we can't predict what tomorrow will bring. but our comprehensive approach to financial planning can help make sure you're prepared for what's expected and even what's not. and that kind of financial confidence can help you sleep better at night. with the right financial advisor, life can be brilliant.

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there was we did not do enough. didn't you feel like screaming out, duh! that's the problem for facebook and that will be the problem and the conundrum for one mark zuckerberg before a house committee to answer a lot of questions from democrats and republicans other social media companies, high-tech companies in general might want to pay attention because mr. zuckerberg has already indicated he would be open to regulation you know what that means for the others don't volunteer us for regulation, we've got gary b. smith back with us financial analyst and last but not least attorney danielle, so as our lawyer, i'd like to maybe have you play a bit of a different role here. you're zuckerberg's lawyer, he's going before this committee and you have to advise him first of all how to get empathy but what do you do? >> well it's a great point neil which is be likable, be genuine and really most importantly be honest. zuckerberg and facebook, there is some issues here because the

incidents were consent decree with the ftc in 2,011 were centered around misrepresentation for privacy of user data and they're looking into the european privacy and looking into this congress is looking into this and if they have found they have done the things they said they won't do any more in 2,011 that's a really big problem but go and show your heart and tell the truth number one. neil: you know, be careful what you wish for, when he let himself open to regulation, he led an entire industry open to regulation and the history of congress always well-intentioned when they get these guys before them whether oil or banking guys , the pendulum can swing to the other extreme. what do you think happens here? >> he did and that's why the whole technology sector and the stock market is selling off because if regulation is imposed on facebook, stricter more strict regulation enforcing your privacy rights, that may also extend to the broader tech sector and silicon valley is not liking that right now, neil.

neil: gary b., what do you think of facebook's stock that's taken a beating? >> well i tell you what neil i think you and i have talked a long time. i've never been a fan of any product or service that i don't personally pay for. i understand their business model, never been one for me. i think it's kind of a fad. i always thought it was a fad and its lasted a lot longer but if facebook vanished tomorrow life would go on. i could live without it and so could the billions of people using it, so i think it's a stock i would avoid now and in the future. neil: i'll put you down as a maybe on that one. danielle, do you think the company has legal problems that all of a sudden now it's going to have to face, you know, lawsuit after lawsuit from shareholders who are angry to customers who feel they've been duped, what? >> so every state has a consumer protection law to mitigate unfair and deceptive practices and if facebook is found to have been dishonest with its users about the privacy

, who could see their information, friends or friends or friends or actually third party app they will have problems and as i said before the ftc, congress this could go on for some time. neil: i think you're right. you know, heather having covered a lot of this over many years, and gary b. would remind folks decades, i notice too, a man or woman in the technology industry they're geniuses they have to be but they they're big on the iq, as i was saying during the break but not on the eq, not big on the empathy thing, because they're that smart but they forget because there was an exception to this steve jobs who was very passionate could easily get angry, but he definitely had empathy and i wonder what zuckerberg has to do to get in that steve jobs motife. >> it's hard for them. i don't think he can do it. yes he may be lacking emotional

intelligence but he's brilliant in other ways. neil: i said the same of gary b. by the way, but yes. >> of course when he testifies in front of congress the stakes are very high for him, this company, facebook i don't really think cares about user data and they have 500 billion of market cap, so they brand themselves as they're allowing a free service for the entire world but at what cost? i'm always skeptical when someone says a service is free. there's no such thing as a free lunch. your data is being sold to a third party and the solution is to blatantly perhaps disclose that any time you want to sell my data to a third party for a fee, let me know. check it out with me instead of burying it in all of the privacy agreements opt in and opt out. neil: they're possible. no you're right. they are possible. you know, gary b., i don't want to link to similar items, but i think it's open season on technology companies, whether what's going on here with

facebook, what the president is doing with amazon, but it is not such a friendly environment for this group that has led this bull market but might not in the future. what do you think? >> totally agree. you know, i think that you and heather hit on a good point. zuckerberg is entering a slippery slope here. you know exactly what he's going to do. he's going to do the mia culpa, bow down to congress, try to change, i think he should take the opposite and should say look , we provide a service, we're out to make money, i'm going to deal with my customers. if they don't like what we're doing that's fine and if we broke some laws we'll fix it otherwise i would say you do your business congress, i'm going to do my business you want to take us to court, that's fine , thank you very much. >> maybe, gary what the problem is the younger generation, i don't think cares, or knows that their data is being exchanged and -- neil: you're right about that. >> that's fine then that's zuckerberg's problem and the

customer's problem not congress. >> if i want to send a picture to uncle frank in arizona my little suzi there's really no other social media alternative right now to do that. neil: all right i don't know. the whole concept of having friends and all that, i'm so glad they didn't have this when i was in school because it would have confirmed what an unpopular nerd i was but we'll see what happens on this. next week that's like a pay-per-view event when he is before congress. we shall see in the meantime keeping track of what's going on in syria right now the president surprised a lot of folks when he said it's time to get out of there. that was news to even some of his top generals. did he dial it back? should he dial it back? after this.

president trump: as far as syria

is concerned, our primary mission in terms of that was getting rid of isis. we've almost completed that task and we'll be making a decision very quickly in coordination with others in the area, as to what we'll do. i want to get out i want to bring our troops back home. neil: all right, that alarmed even some of the president's top generals we are told after the fact that he was considering pulling out of syria. let's go to former u.s. navy seal rob o'neill the best selling author the man who come down with osama bin laden so much to talk about in so little time. rob that idea floated whether it was delivered or not what do you think? >> i think it sounds like a great idea that we've defeated isis and syria and now we want to bring our troops home. everybody would like that and it would be nice if it could be peaceful again but the problem is theres so much going on involving everyone from russia to iran to hezbollah israel, saudi arabia, we can't maintain a presence there and one thing that doesn't get mentioned as

well is if we leave the first thing that happens is turkey tries to wipe out the kurds and they can do it without our support. neil: we're all but giving them a date when this will happen. >> like i said it sounds nice but i think hopefully this is mixed signals so we can keep people on their toes. neil: you think now it -- >> if we leave now it'll be just as bad as it was before because everything from the poison gas that the regime uses against his people will kind of bring the sunnis to rise up which is isis and don't forget about al qaeda they're probably more dangerous than isis because they share the same ideology but they don't necessarily need the caliphate. they want to destroy the west and they can infiltrate they're good at getting in with people and you've got to figure the sunnis welcomed isis at first with open arms and then they just turned it into the very very strict law which it was but the problem with the iranian backed shiite malitia they want a foothold in southern syria

because they want to wipe out israel and there was a phone call this week i believe with benjamin netanyahu and president trump and he's very concerned about it too because if there's a problem in southern syria with iran they're not just attacking him there. we're risking a war with israel hitting iran itself. neil: real quickly you're the guy who took out osama bin laden and now we're hearing a lot of noise from his son. yes, their leader now is, he became the leader of al qaeda once we killed osama bin laden and he's hiding, he might have some of the same things. neil: was he there the night? >> no, he wasn't there. neil: are you worried that this kid well he's not just a kid. >> no, i'm not worried i'm aware of it but we all need to be aware we're all targets and the softer the target the more they want it. neil: you think he's as serious as his father was? >> i don't think he's as serious but i don't think he's as adoredas osama bin laden was

from al qaeda. neil: rob o o'neill, also keeping an eye on a looming trade war how one particular farmer feels about that after this. ...

>> we're in our second hour right now and i want to bring you up-to-date on an item just into our news room good morning an event in germany in the town of muenster. we're told that a car just drove into a crowd of people in this town. unconfirmed reports that a number of people have been killed. the circumstances are not yet clear. we don't know if it was deliberate, terror related. we do know that authorities are on the scene dealing with it. again, muenster, germany, we'll keep it posted in our news room. what's already in the news, as we know, escalating terrorists between ourselves and the chinese and none implemented yet and the fear is that the damage might be done with

trading in a lot of the commodities that would be affected from ceo beans, corn, wheat, et cetera, leading those prices to topple. not all, but many. a farmer that joins us now to talk about this out of illinois. brian, thank you very much for taking the time. >> thank you, neil. i appreciate the opportunity and certainly our thoughts and prayers go out to muenster, germany as you broke the news. neil: i hope it's not as bad as it looks right now, brian. let's go back to what's happening in your neck of the woods. a lot of people say when it comes to trade wars, until the terroris terrorists-- tariffs take if exhibit-- effect there's nothing to worry about. and there are markets to trade what you're in. explain. >> certainly, as we've seen this week, we've seen a whipsawing effect in the

commodities markets. it's happened in the lean hogs as soon as the tariffs were announced and a precipitous decline in soy beans and every time we say we'll negotiate this position away, the market would rally. so we've seen it priced already and i think there's been some psychological damage to the markets as well. not just here in chicago in the merchantile exchange or the board of trade, but i think look at the dow as well, neil. i think some people in your neck of the woods are concerned as well. neil: i'm more worried for those in your neck of the woods, including you, brian, because i think what people forget, when we talk about soy beans and wheat and cotton and some of these pork bellies that trade, the fear seems to be that since china is a big buyer of all of this stuff and suddenly, china isn't buying this stuff and you have a flood of supply and virtually little or no demand. that's the big worry. >> oh, absolutely.

that is the big worry, especially in soy beans. china buys one out of every three soy beans produced and i'm standing in the number one soy bean producing state of illinois. it would certainly be a devastating situation if the tariffs were to go in place and ultimately, our hope is both countries can walk back from the edge of the cliff and work out a solution. neil: do you think that cooler heads will prevail? because what the president arctticulated about china, is this the way to go about it? >> i guess our hope is cooler heads will prevail. the message we hopes the president receives, we understand there's problems with trade with china, but we've worked hard over the years to put in processes to deal with those problems and we think building a coalition of a

like-minded countries and then moving forward with maybe an action in the wto could achieve the same results and create an atmosphere of economic stability, which we in agriculture crave, not instability. neil: you know, i'm curious, brian, how some of your fellow farmers, colleagues in the state and elsewhere, feel about what's going on. >> well, i think there's a pretty heightened level of concern. i think as we've seen, i think the concern started even prior to the presidential election, neil. if you remember, we had all the candidates running away from trade. and agriculture's very export-dependent. 20% of the goods that we produce from agriculture in this country, are exported. on the pork industry, we're at a higher percentage than that. we've become export dependent. as that rhetoric began to ratchet up, i think the levels of concern grew in rural america. we continued to express our

concern about the ultimate cost, a trade war would bring to rural america and we've certainly hoped for the best. we would just like to see these things pursued in a way that don't cause instability. we deal with a lot of variables, it's cold, we'd like to start planting corn. we worry about disease, we worry about weather, insects. and now we've got another thing to worry about and we think there's a format in place that could do this, this situation could be dealt with. neil: you know, you mentioned the wall street guys, i talk to, i talk to a lot of nerdy economists that make me look hip. they think that consumers will like this. your troubles notwithstanding, but a lot of the stuff they buy in the grocery store is suddenly cheaper. and i think that that would be a short-lived event because if you drive a lot of guys like you,

heaven forbid, out of business, but what do you think about that argument? >> well, i guess one man's trash is another man's treasure. i don't know, is that the saying? i don't think that that's a healthy way to view the economy and certainly, agriculture doesn't view the economy that way. we'd like to see everybody prosper. i think that's a good way to measure trade agreements not by winners and losers, but by a rising tide that's served economies well. and again, we know there's going to be discrepancies as we trade going forward and the question is, neil, how are we going to deal with them? are we going to deal with them by threatening tariffs? i'm talking five, ten years down the road. do we look to the wto and the systems to look at disputes or rile the market every time someone gets upset and threatens a tariff? that's not conducive to business, not conducive to agriculture, not conducive to borrowing money and making capital improvements. it's a destabilizing environment

and our hope is that this has been brinksmanship and that cooler heads will prevail. all we know right now, the threats made and promises made as far as tariffs, and we've got to plan for the worst and hope to tell our story. neil: i hope it ends up being a good story, brian duncan, you make more sense in about five minutes than a lot of those wall streeters i talk to. thank you very much. be well. i hope it all works out. >> well, thank you for the opportunity, neil. i really appreciate it. neil: thank you, brian duncan, giving us the read of the farmer in an important community. now the read from the psychology sector, one of the economy sector, what the chinese will do, they want to narrow. right now 375 billion dollar trade gap and some say as high as half a trillion dollars. part of the plan would be to open the semiconductor market

and the chinese buy more of our computer chips and the like. and here tj rogers. what do you make of that, the key in this settlement, whatever it ultimately is, and we hope it's soon. that the chinese agree to buy more american semiconductors or computer chips. what do you think about that? >> that would be good for silicon valley and by the way, i'm a farmer and i have three vineyards that i farm here and i completely sympathize with the well-stated views that i just heard. i don't think, based on my experience, and this is 35 years, that the chinese are intending to buy more chips from us. as a matter of fact, if you look at their latest five-year plan, it is explicitly stated they plan to buy viewer chips from us and they intend to learn how to make chips. now, in a world that they just

played fairly and competed against, so be it, but all of our trading partners, china being the latest have never played fair in the chip market. the japanese angle, which put a lot of people out of work here in the '80s and '90s, there is no silicon valleys, i'll tell you that. there are no more big plants in silicon valley. the japanese lent money to chip companies at interest rates in the 1% range, and while they were building their plants with 1% debt money, we were building our plants with equity money that was very much more expensive and it wiped out a lot of our infrastructure building chips. that was followed by the koreans, their tactics copier chips and beat you over the head with it and they're still doing that. and the chinese, their game is to say that if you want to make

something for china and this is legislated, it's not just a covert tactic, you have to transfer the technology to them. this so they're pressuring us to transfer technology to them. neil: you think that the president is right going after them. the other presidents tried to do the politically correct things to try to get china to budge, but the read from the white house, we ought to try this and we're letting the world know. and i think it's been pretty much confirmed, the chinese, but we've responded only one way in the past. so, with are do you think this goes? >> well, that i'd like to -- i'd like to make a clear statement that looks visionary that view that you just stated clearly is really in the cards and you know, i believe in the law of comparison advantage.

the carter's law of comparison advantage, i believe in fair trade, i believe that all people are better off when there is free trade and the fact is, between us and china, you can always take out a company that ships something more cheaply and make a big deal about it. and what never gets out, joe blow can go to wal-mart and get it more cheaply by a few pennies here and there and a have bet are life and the goods never get argued in the trade wars. and you always argue who is getting hurt. having said that, i do believe in something different. let me give you another example. i was the chairman of sunpower, america's largest chip company-- excuse me, solar company. when the chinese decided to attack solar markets. and that play just happened recently and what they did was,

they fund factories cheaply, they went bankrupt. they put themselves bankrupt lowering prices and the price of solar panels went down $4 abouter watt to 40 cents per watt and that put most solar panel manufacturers out of business. the chinese played another game where they took their plants and they went bankrupt and chinese possessors came in and took over the plants with zero capital costs. now their cost of manufacturing is just their goods and their labor. their materials and labors and they dropped the stuff and left it at 40 cents a watt. in america our rules would be if i took over a plant from somebody else i'd have to put it on my books at a fair market value and there's a nice little government process for doing that and then resulted i couldn't escape the appreciation costs even if i bought a bankrupt plant. so, they hammered our solar industry and the raw materials,

solar panels in the industry became chinese, and that was a unfair play. having said that, the net result is we support a quarter of a million jobs in the u.s. involving solar panels and solar panels of kind of like the rest of the industry making power and hooking it up to your house and reporting it on the internet of things, and having power resource. there are a lot of americans doing that so there was benefit in it. and i do not want to see, nor does our country want to see our semiconductor industry get gutted the same way and that same play in solar that i just talked about and it will happen. so, we maybe need a guy who --. neil: and tj, might address all of that. thank you very much for taking the time. i know you're a busy guy even in retirement. tj rogers, the former ceo

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>> all right, getting still more details of an incident, that's all they're calling it now, not a terrorist incident, but increasingly looking potentially like one in the northern city of muenster, a car a short time ago crashed into a car outside of a pub. killing several people. they're not saying how many. up to 30 were injured. police tweeted saturday afternoon that residents should avoid the area near a pub in the area where a large scale police operation we're told is underway, that's a popular bar in the city's historic downtown district. a german news agency is citing

anonymous sources that a car drove into the site and it appeared to witnesses to be deliberate. again, if this does go the terror route, it would be a familiar path to take to jump up onto a street, a sidewalk or whatever to mow people down. with us now is retired four-star general, former army vice chief of staff, jack keane. general, this is just coming into our news room now and there's so much that we don't know, but it's one thing that i know, that you say we have to be aware of, and average folks, no matter where they are. what do you make of it? >> well, certainly, several of these have been not terrorist incidents. they're just people that are deranged and driving cars into people, but an overwhelming majority of these incidents have been terrorist acts, most of them in europe and also, of course, we had a very severe one here in new york city. but, yeah, the thing in europe,

there's not just people there inspired to conduct attacks against fellow citizens, there's actually terrorist networks there and that's not something that we have in the united states. and that's something that the police will be all over this thing, if it is terrorism. did this person operate alone, is there a support system for them. is there a potential attack that's coming? yeah, it's unfortunate to be sure regardless of what the motivation is here. neil: we're learning several from sky news and checking through german sources, that the driver killed himself, you will although there are no additional reports to confirm this. again, whether terrorist related or not, a number, in times square, for example, downtown new york where a number of individuals were taken out by an islamic extremist at the time. but, you know, free societies, you think about it, general,

you've reminded me, there's only so much you can do for the individual guy who wants to do for the network. we don't turn everything upside down for this, but what do you we do? >> this is almost impossible to prevent. the only way we can stop these kinds of incidents from taking place is to stop the people before they do it. and you're only going to find out about that person if they're on the internet, in a chat room, and if there's some kind of a network and that's good intelligence work. but actually preventing something like this just prior to the incident itself is next to impossible. just as we have found how difficult it is to prevent shootings when they're doing that, to prevent a bombing. very, very challenging to prevent. it's the good intelligence work that has to be done that's been so successful in this country with stopping people before they

actually go in and begin to execute the act. neil: you know, general, it comes at the same time we're battening down the hatches when it comes to the oligarchs, and russians take a tough approach make with the sanctions, and vladimir putin will not be happy, one rounded up was his son. not be happy about that. >> we're going after the cronies. our audience should understand that, putin and their cronies, they're some of the richest in the world and they're thieves and thugs and run the country for their own benefit and that's what's so good about this. we're actually going to hurt him now, as opposed to throwing out diplomates, which is something we should do, but it doesn't have any real impact on behavior. and what we're trying to get to here is actual behavior. so we're taking out several of his cronies, plus, 12 of their companies, and what we'll do to

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>> all right. we were discussing this with general jack kane, the russians, in case you thought that the administration had a handsoff approach and go light on the russians in light that he was cozy with vladimir putin, the three dozen individuals, most of them quite wealthy and most billionaires and including vladimir putin's son, and let's just say this whole incident put the kibosh on that. and gillian turner with how this

is. >> they targeted 17 seniors officials, seven oligarchs and 12 private companies. they're set to several their ties to the international system and prevent american businesses from doing business with any of them. this is after the assad regime and the syrian war and touting as prove president trump is prepared to get tough on the kremlin. >> the totality of the administration's actions which in keeping with congress's wishes proved the president is absolutely correct when he says no one has been tougher on russia. >> the sanctions include targets intended to hit close to home for president putin. one is his own son-in-law, an oil executive to married into putin's family five years ago and quickly thereafter became a billionaireme

billionaireme billionairement-- billionaire. and another a close childhood friend of his with gasprom. and a one time colleague of paul manafort, trump's former campaign manager. and shares of the energy company took a major tumble and he had harsh words for the sanctions, calling them groundless, ridiculous and absurd. according to some administration officials though, there wasn't much hope for the u.s.-russia relationship anyway. >> there's a political debate that has happened in this country on whether we were-- whether russia is our friend or whether they're not our friend. that's really the wrong question to have because russia's never going to be our friend. >> all of this, neil, coming just days after american diplomates expelled from russia landed back here at home on u.s. soil. neil. neil: great reporting, gillian turner, washington. and in the meantime we've got

confirmation from the defense secretary apparently he has written off on the order to send 4,000 additional troops to the border and a lot of others are looking how long they're going to be there. the timing of all of this. and jan brewer welcomes this, the former governor out of arizona. governor, nice to have you. and what do you make what's going on here, 4,000 troops at the border, we don't know how long. >> i think it's terrific news, i think that president trump is taking real steps to secure our border. all the while that we have certainly tried to get it done, but he is delivering on his promises and i'm excited and i'm encouraged that they're sending the national guard to the border and here in arizona we're going to send 150 starting next week. neil: in the meantime, your counterparts in oregon, montana, nevada, it's a question mark in california, they are not. what do you make of that? >> well, it's unfortunate, you

know, they're just sitting on their hands and doing nothing, are they not taking the issue seriously? they ought to take their oath of office and it's outrageous what they're doing. i will say it, i'm encouraged by some of the local law enforcement agencies in these states. california in particularly, and council people that are stepping up and respecting their oath and protecting the people and they are kind of rising up. so maybe there's some hope in california, but, these governors that are turning a blind eye are certainly not serving their constituentsy or their state or the united states of america. neil: i assume you're talking more about those who are harboring illegals or having the sanctuary cities or states such as in the case of california? >> well, they're just not serious about border security.

they're not serious about the dreamers. they're not serious about catch and release. they're not serious about the loopholes. they're turning a blind eye and it is wrong, it's absolutely wrong. the first and foremost thing that government is responsible for is to keep our country sovereign and to keep their citizens safe. neil: you know, self sessions the attorney general said that it's really part of a bigger approach, governor, a zero tolerance policy towards illegal border crossings. i'm not a lawyer, maybe you are, but i don't know what that means. does that mean then having troops on the border is part of the zero tolerance policy, that we're going to crack down on illegal border crossings, that this is a preview to a wall or something more permanent? what? >> i think that it's the preview of the wall, but certainly, that we're going to have zero tolerance. we're going to act just like every other sovereign country. we're going to protect our borders, we're going to enforce the law and congress needs to do their job. they need to step up and get this thing in action. we need this done and we need it done now.

we have been dealing with this far too long, and crossings at the border have increased. now that the economy is's better. what was it, 230% increase over-- in march over this time last year. so, they're not stopping, they're not, you know, they're not turning back and this catch and release thing is crazy so i admire the homeland security secretary, certainly, jeff sessions and the president of the united states that is taking this serious, and is taking real steps to protect us. this is what he ran on and what the american people want. and we in arizona understand the situations it brings into your community more so than somebody that's living in kansas. neil: i guess so, the closer you are the problem the more you're aware of the problem. thank you very much, governor, very good seeing you. i do want to bring you up to-- as the governor and i were chatting we are getting some more details on this german incident, what they're calling it. not necessarily a terrorist

incident although it's increasingly looking like one potentially in germany, muenster. a person rammed into a crowd. killed at least three people and injured 30. and killed himself. shot himself. that's what we have. more on this. [burke] vengeful vermin.

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>> and his boss and told me about the fact he had information at the wall street journal and he misled the opr and misled the inspector general. and the last one was actually under oath. yeah, and that's why he was fired. so, i think what this does, neil, more than anything, it underscores why, in fact, we do need a special counsel to get to the entire fisa abuse that took place at the upper levels of the fbi. neil: that was earlier, jim jordan, he wants a special counsel to look into this and we know in the case of andy mccabe, the president attorney general

says he ain't going to get one, not in the cards for the time being. and the reading on this back and forth. and where is this going? what do we have now that reinforces the argument something weird is going on? >> yeah, definitely. i think the notion that we have been hearing from a lot of individuals on the left that mccabe's fire was politically motivated seems to be coming apart at the scene. drip, drip, drip, information has been coming out every day affirming that mccabe acted improperly and seems to be that he was dishonest about it. i mean, he authorized two fbi agents to make, just to leak nonpublic information to a member of the media, and let's remind everyone, this information ended up making inn hillary clinton look bad. i'm old enough to remember when democrats were upset about this. and the change in their tone was really rather telling and i think that it's helpful to have hindsight and remember the things that democrats and liberals were outraged just a few months ago. neil: all i know, and you follow

this far closer than i, so i won't even pretend to be knowledgeable about the legal implications going forward. i do know that andy mccabe since his firing has been deemed a martyr. they've raised hundreds of thousands, i guess, for a legal fund. where do you think this is ultimately going? >> yeah, so, i mean, a lot of this is so ridiculous, the notion that he's the last honest man in washington is honestly laughable. because he was fire for lacking candor, which is a code word for not telling the whole truth. the idea that he's an honest boy scout is demonstrably false. and that he's a man of the people is hilarious. the go-fund-me page that raised half a million dollars was set up by pr professionals that he is also really well connected with. so it's very clear he's not this honest boy scout man of the people individuals. he's a high powered long time

civil servant that had clearly his own agenda. neil: early on i raised the possibility that maybe the president practice things, drills with lawyers on an unofficial basis for questioning with mueller that he wants to do it. now, a number of legal folks told me that would be a mistake for him, whether he feels he's innocent or not, or the target of an investigation, or subject of one or not. that it would be a setup. what do you think? >> i think whenever you're in some sort of legal trouble you should keep your trap shut. that's not what's going to happen here. i think we can expect him to go full comey, i think we'll get a book, a book tour, a lot of media appearances, i think we'll get a lot of e-mail tweets, a lot more of this kind of martyr pr campaign going forward. neil: i'm sorry, i wasn't clear, for the president to talk to mueller, what do you think? >> oh, i see what you're saying. yeah, i mean, as i said before, i think that whenever there's

some sort of a legal problem here, you should always keep your mouth shut and i think this entire mueller probe has been him catching people for, you know, these tiny discrepancies in what they're saying, right? so as the president, if you're looking at that, and seeing, oh, people are getting in trouble for making statements and then making other kind of contradictory statements, i think that that should tell you, okay, i'm not going to talk to this guy. all of the criminal indictments, all of the criminal trouble on the mueller probe has been talking for the fbi and for making, you know, inconsistent statements. so, i think just looking at that, you could see what happens to other people, you know, i mean, you can learn from other people's mistakes, you don't have to make them yourself. neil: that's very well put. thank you very, very much. good see seeing you again. >> good to see you. neil: in case you just tuned in, the incident in germany, they're trying to get to the bottom of it. what we're hearing from sky news and british broadcasting service, bbc, that this is in

muenster, germany, northern germany. these are pictures outside of this bar where this reportedly happened, where a driver apparently jumped the sidewalk, rammed into pedestrians, killed at least three, injured at least 30 others. police say the driver of the vehicle is one of the deceased, and that he shot himself. we'll have more on this after this. to most people, i look like... ...most people. but on the inside, i feel chronic, widespread pain. fibromyalgia may be invisible to others, but my pain is real. fibromyalgia is thought to be caused by overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. i'm glad my doctor prescribed lyrica. for some, lyrica delivers effective relief from moderate to even severe fibromyalgia pain, and improves function. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions, suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worse depression, unusual changes in mood or behavior, swelling, trouble breathing, rash,

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>> lastly, i signed a bell bill to give the teachers a 15 to 18% pay raise to to boost education he think inspect 19% in hour state and yet, the teachers went on strike on morn. so there's been some questions why they're at the capitol. they got their pay raise. we welcome them, but we think it's important to get back in the classroom and to teach your children. neil: well, they didn't. at least most of them, they're still out on strike and the

teachers saying the governor and legislature hasn't done enough. they want more funding for the schools, bigger raises for themselves and in the meantime, a lot of kids, happens to be the case when these sort of things dust up, are caught in the middle. and to read with scott martin, julie, charlie gasperino. scott, this would be not be the first time that teachers are on strike, they sign or agree to a contract and they're not happy with it later, but it does hit the community hard, in this case the entire state hard. what do you make of this? >> yeah, same thing's happened behind me in chicago, neil. the tough thing was this, it was noted the senate did make some stride to get teacher pay up and funding up, but the reality, it's not what the teachers wanted. now, right now, if you talk to parents down there, i've read surveys and complementary things that parents said, yes, we support our teachers, our kids, the effort to get more spending out there. but that waynes --

wanes. if you stay out of the classroom like in chicago. the parent support goes away. like any negotiation we've seen this on the china thing with trump. both sides have to come to the table and you have to walk away feeling like you got something and lost something. >> the kids say, if i missed a day, they've got the truant officer after me and if the teachers are away-- >> i don't see why we're maligning the teachers and labor strikes have been-- >> fighting for the students, but the dividing line seems to be the paid. >> i think that the teachers are underpaid and underfunded. neil: didn't their union agree to this contract? >> perhaps, but that doesn't mean that it's not potentially, you know, reducing the attraction of this profession to people. a lot of schools, hundreds of

schools in oklahoma only go to schools four days a week because there's no funding for schools. these teachers are not going to strike for frivolous reasons. they want to be in the with the kids. my mom was a teacher in the midwest. my sister a teacher in the midwest. these are the hardest working people i've met. neil: you haven't met charlie gasperino. >> my old man was a union construction worker who fell off scaffolds and i could have sworn he worked harder than my social study teachers mr. becker. and i went through a lot of strikes and i get why you strike, but my dad was in the private sector. i have a problem with public sector people who go into a job working for the government, getting benefits from government. you don't have to work during the summers, you get a nice pension. i have a problem with them just going on strike. and i think they should-- listen, if you don't want to be a teacher, do something else.

those are the rules of the game and you are working for the government. and by the way, it's an essential service that you know you're providing an essential service. and think about how crass that is. you know you're providing an essential service and you cut a deal and they strike. they should all be fired. >> absolutely not. you're providing an essential service and we expect so much of our teachers. >> summers off. >> and do you know how many hours-- >> summers off. >> do you know how much they're paid per hour. neil: and i just thought-- i don't know all the details here, i know enough that they had agreed to this bump up in pay and nationally-- >> four days a week the kids are going to school. neil: no, no, no, this had been agreed to. i don't know what was the tipping point they said, no, we don't like it. do you old those in public service to a different standard than private enterprise. >> i believe people who are in a

public service are more often underpaid and underutilized and underrespected. >> they've got guaranteed jobs, hard to get rid of them. >> they've got a contract, guys. >> yeah, they've got a contract. >> the region is such, guys, you look at oklahoma versus the regional states there, they are to julie's point one of the worst paid in the region to is your rounding states and losing teachers because of that. to your point, neil they agreed to this contract prior to and they can't go back on it. neil: we hope that it's resolved shortly. i've got breaking news. i appreciate you coming in and talking about this and politely at that. we're finding out more about this german, what seems to be where the driver hopped the sidewalk and ran down a number of individuals, pedestrians. he's among at least three kid, 30 injured in northern germany. we have more now from kitty logan who has better details in london.

>> hi. well, just a few details coming through at this stage. this is breaking news, it just happened within the last couple of hours. police in muenster are saying that the driver of this vehicle in this suspected attack has killed himself. they say there is no longer a threat although they are urging the public to stay away from the area. we also do know from police, is that sadly a number of people have died. there are also several people injured. we understand that this vehicle drove into a crowd in the center of the old city of muenster, that's in southwest of germany, west -- we don't know the circumstances and the motive. and police are urging caution, on the twitter feed, the public should not speculate about the cause or motive of the incident, but they're taken seriously. eyewitness reports on muenster on social media, there's a very large police presence and everyone thinks back to berlin and the dreadful attack at the

christmas market. and that was mow evaluated by isis. as of this particular incident we do not know what was behind it. police are taking it seriously. neil: do we know whether it was deliberate. it doesn't have to be a terrorist attack in that sense or the word for that, you know, was the goal here, but, i'm hearing talks of a male driver deliberately hopping on the sidewalk or through the streets to plow people down. >> that is one thing that the police are not saying much about at this stage. they have urged people not to jump to conclusions. they are, of course, just looking to this incident, as it's happened. we do note that the driver of this vehicle did kill himself, and police are saying, there's no further threat. so, that in itself might give some indications as to the state of mind of the driver as to whether or not this may have been intentional, but certainly, the authorities there in germany are not saying anything yet. neil: and i'm pushing it to the

point on this, because in new york, a couple of years ago, we had a case of an individual who had a heart attack behind the wheel and ended up plowing people down, i believe it was in broadway, this is going back, you know, a number of years, so that that was not deliberate, obviously, but resulted in bedlam. and pedestrians, anyone is urged to an i-- avoid it? >> that's right. in wesphala where this took place, they're urging people to avoid the area. they have a large police presence and cordoned off the area and telling the public to stay well away for their own safety at the same time, they're emphasizing there is no further threat. neil: thank you very, very much. we'll have more after this. oh good, you're awake! finally. you're still here? come on, denise. we're voya! we stay with you to and through retirement...

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>> all right. so tomorrow night, you know, around 6:6:30 p.m. we're going to have the first on east coast of america, the first time anyone will see how trading is in asia. and charlie back with us, scott, what do you think? >> i tell you, this is becoming quite the interesting argument or confrontation, isn't it? the one question i have, and i think as a investor you need to think about, who really holds the cards here, and who has the most ammo in this tariff tussle. to me, it's china. i've got to be honest with you, if trump is playing the quick, short game. >> really? >> yes, charlie. and president xi if he can rule forever, president trump wants to play the game with him and they've got the exports and we don't. neil: of course, donald trump argued for years, they need us

more than them, and they don't want to pay -- play with their biggest customer. >> and he also said that-- because of all of his overstatements, that's one of them. they hold tremendous cards and here is the difference. you know, he's-- and scott brought this up. xi is the glorious leader for life. the republicans might lose the house if you screw over enough farmers on this trade war stuff. if the prices-- >> what if he wins it? >> that would be great. neil: scott, what if he wins it, what if he gets them to blink? >> that would be great. the problem is, neil, maybe the way he's going about it is probably going to push china to the brink where they're going to play unfair and that's not what we want and then we both lose. neil: we simply don't know, that's our way of saying that. the first hint where the markets are going, the follow through, could be the negative follow through from what we experience. of course, we could only be a

tweet away of the president saying something or the responding to something that escalates this. the worse it looks for stocks, on the opposite is true if it doesn't.

>> all right, we have some breaking nuews, this is a fox news alert. we're following news out of muenster, germany, where there are reports of at least three people killed and 20 wounded after a car crashes into a crowd. leland: and these are some of the very first pictures coming out of the area where the crash happened. they say in a very popular part of downtown. here is where this story gets particularly interesting. the driver of this vehicle, according to police, killed himself after the crash. we now have a live picture from the ground there. you can see it is now coming up on late afternoon, 6 p.m. in