>> i spend more time thinking about mashed potatoes than i do about my loved ones and i start to feel guilty but then i just start thinking about mashed potatoes again. >> mashed potatoes are fun to think about. >> all right. think you to you and our studio audience. i love you. [♪] jesse: welcome to "watters world." i'm jesse watters. president trump taking steps to make good on his campaign promise to end the policy on the border known as catch and release. an sent the national guard to the board. president trump: people said he was so tough. i used the word rape. women are raped at levels we have never seen before. we can't let people enter our

country when we have who they are, where they came from, we don't know what their records are. this is the kind of stuff and crap we are allowing on our one -- in our country. jesse: this as mexico puts the brakes on an aim grant caravan. ali, are you okay with people illegally crossing the southern border into the united states? >> way would like to see is solving real problems. jesse: i want to take it one step at a time. are you okay with illegal immigration into the united states? off course not, jesse. we believe in a strong border. jesse: so let's put that aside. we agree. in order to stop now illegal

immigration into the united states, don't you think the most of effective way to do that would be through a wall and through national guard troops? >> let's look at the data. the data shows that in march of last year we had a record low number of bored apprehensions. now you are going to say we have seen an increase. jesse: we have seen a big increase. >> the numbers we see now are nowhere near the numbers we have seen in previous administrations. jesse: so your argument is this, it's not as bad as it used to be, but that's not what we are talking about. okay? we are talking about stopping illegal immigration. if it's still going on, that means the problem hasn't been solved. how would you solve the illegal

immigration problem at the border? >> you actually develop a process that people can go through. that's how you stop illegal immigration. jesse: what do you mean by go through? >> you reform immigration policy. jesse: keep it on border security. >> if you want to spend money on border security you invest in ports of entry. let's spend money at ports of entry and insure our security there. that's the real problem there is drugs coming into the country. jesse: i agree a lot of bad stuff flows across the ports of entry. but last year 300,000 people crossing the southern border illegally were caught. we don't even know about the ones who weren't caught. can't you also address the

border as well as the ports of entry? >> if you want to secure the border outside the ports of entry, that's where you put technology and strategic infrastructure. if you want to solve the drug problem, last year over 40,000 people died because of opioid addiction. right now we are spending so much time and money, we are spending over 50% on federal prosecution and up gracious. jesse: i think you are not giving the united states enough credit. i think we can walk and chew gum at the same time. you are saying people are coming across the southern border, that we need strategic infrastructure. would that mean a wall? >> if you want to be smart and strategic it means you put

fencing in good places. i would rather have smart technology. a wall is a great symbol and makes people happy and angry, but it doesn't solve the problem. jesse: walls work, and that's why a lot of people on the democrat side don't want them. walls are very effective and the border patrol wants a wall because they know that will stop the crossings. let me show you a picture of a wall in new mexico. this is an old wall that need to be replaced immediately. i think we have a picture of people scaling it just the other day. climbing a 20-foot structure. it's obviously not secure. i have been down there, too, and i climbed the same wall.

>> let's look at that. this is a great example of non-strategic infrastructure. jesse: that's why president trump is building a beautiful wall that's 40 feet high. >> the structure -- those are my tax dollars, i don't see the continues between $20 and $40 billion. jesse: mexico is going to pay for it so that's beside the point. >> of course. jesse: the only people making money on the border are the cartels. the only thing that will stop illegal immigration and the cartels running wild are boots on the ground and a big, beautiful wall. i have got to run, but thanks for coming on with me and having a discussion. i appreciate it. jesse: a 0-year veteran of the

border patrol council, brandon judd. you heard my discussion with ali, was there anything inaccurate that you would like to address, having all that expense on the border? >> yes, a couple things. when he says the vast majority of drugs come across the ports of entry, that's not true. the border patrol seizes more drugs than any other agency minus the coast guard. most of drugs are coming across the border between the ports of entry, not through the ports of entry. i was a k-9 handler. and i can tell you how many drugs i used to see with my k-9. jesse: a lot of that is heroin now our research is showing. >> heroin and the opioid basis. it's what's killing all these people in the united states. i have to applaud president

trump for putting the national guard on the border. that allows us to go after the criminal cartels. their profits are based on getting things through the border that includes humans, narcotic. they have to get it across the border. jesse:er time a migrant wants to cross the border he has to pay a coyote. and the coyote pays the cartel. whether it's a human or drugs the cartel gets a profit. if you are going to shut down the illegal immigration, that will taking a chunk out of the profit of the cartel and that will diminish their power and that will allow the mexican government to exert more power

over them. >> so you have to look at the ways we can secure the bored. what ali said is we need technical infrastructure. we tried that. it was a failure. but what we have seen is physical barriers. jesse: what wait that was tried? >> it was called fbi net. it was supposed to be all of these radars that were supposed to detect things that would come across and it didn't work. but what has worked is physical barriers. if we put the proper physical barriers in the proper location that allow me the border patrol to dictate where the smugglers bring in their product. we'll be able to put a dent in their product and hopefully put them out of business. jesse: he'll be able to funnel the cross-border traffic based

on where you put the fencing. you won't put a fence on the rio grander. >> a montana top. you will funnel it to your advantage. that makes perfect sense. last question. do you get the sense people don't want the wall because they know the wall works? >> yes. what you want -- you see the left politicizing this issue all the time. we want to stop talking about this issue. we don't want this to be a 20-20 debate. we want to secure the bored so we don't have to continue to say we need this and we need that. let's get the republicans behind this president, get him what he need. we'll secure the border, and it's over. >> the democrats want want to fund every part of the government except the military and the border patrol. the two agencies that need the

money the most of. you are called a racist because you want to secure the southern border. what do you say to that? >> that presupposes the people we arrest at the border are coming from south america. that's untrue. i have personally arrested people from russia and poland and all over the ukraine. jesse: this is breaking news. you are telling me that if the russians are coming across the southern border -- i just figured out a way to get the democrats to want a fund a wall. they want the mexicans coming over. you tell those democrats the russians are coming and they will start tweeting mean things about hillary, they will build the wall themselves. up next, cnn collapsing. and we'll tell you why.

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the fox news channel used to compete against cnn. but not anymore. fox news number one, msnbc number two, and cnn7. it's being beaten by hgtv and nickelodeon. here are the stories cnn has decide own. a missing plane. >> whether it's mechanical or terrorism or pilot error. a lot of people have been asking about black holes. jesse: a fired possibly trump hanger-honor. >> i smell alcohol on your breath. >> i have nod not had a drink. >> i now it's awkward. let me give you the questions. >> my answer noise, i have not.

>> anything else? >> no. no. beside my meds. antidepressants. is that okay? >> i am just trying to understand what happened. jesse: and a porn star. >> the stormy done yals have the president's number? it sure seems that way. >> stormy daniels. >> stormy daniels. >> the recent he can't engage with stormy daniels is because she has got his number. jesse: how does that square with cnn's new promo that casts the network as a paragon of reliability. >> some people might tell you this is a what managa. they mightd tell you this is a banana.

they might even put banana in all caps and you might start to believe this is a banana, but it's not. jess. what about cnn's fake video of trump feeding fish in japan or the fake story about comey's testimony or scaramucci and the russians which was redacted and led to three people resigning. cnn prime time has become almost unwatchable. here is why. >> people are care are the immigrants who are sick and tired of having this white house bash them on a daily basis. people who are maligned -- >> that was an excuse. look at even how they got the permits. can i finish, simone. can you just shut up. >> you don't get to tell me to shut up on national television.

>> he doesn't even know the law. your friend is a thug. that's a million dollars. >> thug thug thug thug thug. >> you hate it. that's your substantive argument to me, rick wilson. >> i will gut you like a fish on this show if you want to keep this up. jesse: this kind of mayhem completely under cuts their identity as a straight news network. but the bottom line is the network is filled with trump-hating tabloid foot foods. you don't believe me? look at how much time was devoted to stormy daniels compared to the spending bill. the spending bill has much more impact on americans. but cnn is trying to hold people's attention while they

are waiting for their flight at the airport. maybe they are just throwing hail mary maries because they are in last place. what do you think about the ynn analysis? i think they are desperate. >> i think you are spot on. forget apples and banana. it's no longer a news network and former cnn viewers where voting with their fingers and walking right up to the remote control and changing the channel. the network no longer provides information, and it isn't entertaining any more where to people. you should have given a health warning but played that montage. because i should have taken and

i ibuprofen ahead of time. there are good journalists there. even though they won't accept our praise for it. you have people who were foreign correspondents and war correspondents, veterans of many, many warts of coverage, and now it's embarrassing because they are essentially promoters for porn stars and people who need to take medication on their own. jesse: i'm score for not warning you about the food fight video. and i apologize to the "watters world." but viewers, that's probably the on time they see cnn. i want to ask you about comments from robert de niro. he talks about how he wants to punch the president in the face. i think he was asked about the success of roseanne and trying to see the other side.

this is we had to say. >> we are at a point with all of us where it's beyond trying to see another person's points of view. there are ways you can talk about that. but we are at the point where the things happening in our country are so bad, and it comes from trump. there are so many people who have left this administration. it's a serious thing. he's a terrific actor, but terrible political commentary. there are not a lot of bad things that have come from this president. isis has been pretty much wiped off the map. manufacturing jobs are up, wages are bigger. but to say you are not even going to listen the other side is dehumanizing. that's dangerous. >> this is a trend and encrusted in far left ideology.

i think we can throbber de niro for being -- i think we can thank robert de niro for being honest by the. i think it's time more of them like robert de niro drop pretense so we can see them for who they are. president trump has been able to expose the true colors of many enemies not just of conservatives but america. jesse: he brings out the best in people that sometimes works for him and he brings out the worst in people. and i agree. the democrats always want to empathize and hear what the other side has to say. if it's north korea, the mullahs in iran they want to know and empathize and know their points

of view and talk about root causes. but when it comes to their fellow republicans, and trump voters they don't want to hear. this is a famous director. he did county avengers." he actually had to delight. he says donald trump is killing this country. some of it quickly, some slowly. but he spoils and destroys everything he touches. he emboldens monsters wield can guns or just smug double speak. or russia. my hate and sadness are exhausting. die, don, just quietly die. that's just a word salad, michelle. can you imagine if a conservative film director said

something like that about obama? >> we know what would happen. these double standards existed far beyond the obama administration. there are a couple things going on here. the shield of immunity with which so many of these hateful liberals who wish death on donald trump and his entire family. all conservatives and republicans in public life, i have been subject to it for 25 years and so have you. as you have gotten more prominent as well, jesse. and it just is a part of being conservative that we have to accept. but what we should not accept is the double standards of social media outlets, giants like facebook and twitter that will discriminate against conservatives for conducting themselves civilly online while look at other way on things like this. we had a fire at trump tower.

there are twitter liberals gloat over this accident here at trump tower, even though three firefighters and one civilian were hurt. shame on these people. it tells you something about political theory. there is something called the overton window it allows public discourse. outlets like ynn who are not media but dictators of acceptable speech will allow the most of vile speech on the left and look at other way as they try and gag our speech. that's why fox news, the blowing spheesblowing -- the blog spheed alternative radio are on the rise. jesse: big news on the fisa abuse scandal. stick around.

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a party bus in rockford illinois leaves three people dead. they are searching for the suspect to was a passenger on the bus but the identity of the victims have not been released. i'm robert gray. now back to "watters world". ba. you are watching the fox newsba. channel. jesse: big news regarding the fisa scandal. house republicans have been asking for a long time to see the information that allowed the spying on the trump administration. the president is still not happy with the vote results tweeting earlier, what does the department of justice and fbi have to hide? why aren't they giving the strongly requested documents unredacted to the house judiciary committee? stalling. but for what reason?

not looking good. here with reaction, former congressman ron desantis. my inclination is the reason they are stalling these documents is because these documents probably confirm what was outlined in the nunes memo which said pretty clearly that the fisa warrant applications relied almost entirely on this fake dossier from russian sources that hoik paid for. do you think that's the case? >> i think you are right in the sense that both justice and fbi have tried for months and months to deemphasize this dossier. they realize it looks bad and they used it. they say this wasn't the only thing. the problem with doing that. the judiciary committee. we are trying to get those million documents. hopefully we'll start getting a better production.

but devin nunes on the intel committee is trying to get a handful of documents that kicked off the investigation. why did peter strzok open this? they are fighting him on that. they started it on thin gruel, a thin reason to open up a counter-intelligence case. then it was the dossier that got them to go together with fisa. it just makes them look really, really bad. jesse: the initial counter intelligence operation we believe was opened up in july. they exonerated hillary before they interviewed her. strzok and lisa page and comey heavily involved in that situation. it was peter strzok himself that personally opened up this

investigation into trump and russia. apparently our sources are saying it was a clinton foundation donor that tipped off the fbi about some conversation with this guy papadopoulos, no one has ever heard of papadopoulos had in london about russia which was just as thin as the dossier. if strzok's name and clinton's name is connected to the initial opening of the investigation. then it's linked to the fisa application. the whole thing is crooked from the jump. >> just think about this. you have this hillary investigation about her mishandling fisa information. peter strzok is the main agent on that. you and i will agree the fix was in. but how does that guy then start to open an investigation of

trump's campaign? do they not have any other agents at the fbi? he was the one who said when you interview hillary, don't go in with gun's blazing, she is going to be the next president. he's testing page saying we can't take the risk of a trump presidency. we need an insurance policy. this is a guy who should have never been involved in either of those investigations. this guy needs to be fired from the fbi. jesse: he's still work and collecting a paycheck. some of the horrible things he said about donald trump like you said, protecting the country against his presidency and needing an insurance policy. then he was the one who conducted the flynn interview. snuck up on flynn and flynn never even had a lawyer. this guy is all over he

investigation. and mueller brings him on to the team. he's so biased mueller has to fire him. i have got to run, congressman. thank you so much. we are going to follow the story. >> thank you. jesse: diamond and silk up next. when i received the diagnosis,

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your carrots and go to bed on time. now perhaps we have the other parent in the house. and we thought it would feel fun. maybe it feels fun to some for now because we can eat candy all day and stay up late and not follow the rules. jesse: joining me with their reaction. my favorite video bloggers diamond and silk. it's typical of the left. they believe government is the parent. and the citizens are all the children. the government is there to take care of us. what did you think about the former first ladi' commentary? >> let's look at obama's parentally. he had so many sugar honey iced tea the american people were

walking around constipated. we couldn't catch a cold or a tax cut. you have got obama without the care on obamacare. he made out with a lot of money and we were short changed. michelle need to take her husband by the hand and go in the woods with hillary clinton and zip it. don't talk about this president. this president has done in one year than her husband was able to do in 8 years. >> if she wants to talk about parents, talk about how she aloud her oldest daughter to intern for harvey weinstein. jesse: i don't know if they knew about harvey's behavior. >> her mother should have let her know that something wasn't right. her intuition. jesse: something wasn't right

with harvey weinstein. she is making remarks about hillary blaming sexism. >> women weren't comfortable voting for a woman, sadly. especially in this room, we have to own that reality. to me that's the deeper question for us today as women. what happened? the best qualified candidate in this last race was a woman. and she wasn't perfect. but she was way more perfect. than many of the alternatives. jesse: the truth here is hillary didn't lose because of the female vote. she actually won the female vote. she lost because she got crushed by middle class voters. trump won the middle class by

double digits. that's the real reason. >> michelle obama is trying to make women feel guilty for not want to go vote for crooked hillary. she told us if hillary couldn't run her house how could she run the white house. we voted for the man, the businessman, not the wrong man. >> michelle had one point right. hillary clinton wasn't perfect. she wasn't per perfectly fit for the white house. jesse: this is hillary in her own word saying she had something to do with the #metoo movement. >> it's march 2018. you are. >> yes, it has, i believe that. i believe it was a wave that was

building and building and building. i think my losing probably accelerated that wave. but the wave was coming. jesse: hillary clinton accelerated the #metoo movement. >> she need to start the she knew movement. we know she may have allegedly knew about that harvey weinstein. she took money from him and didn't give it back. maybe she should start a new movement, she knew. >> if she would have been president of the united states, she would have sold half of america for a paid speech. jesse: go to their web south

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jesse: christianity is coming under fire.

this time at the campus of george washington university. they are bashing christianity for giving christians an unfair privilege. professor, you say there is christian privilege here. is there not christian privilege in the middle east, is there? >> we are talking about the united states right now. but there is christian you privilege around the world in many ways. but i would like to correct you. it's not bashing christianity, it's raising issues of the ways in which christians automatically have this unearned privilege just by being christian in the united states. jesse: what what that privilege be? >> a lot of ways you privilege manifests itself. in the 19 -- the 1840s, a

theorist went around the united states and he wrote this great book call "democracy in america." he discovered there is a paradox in some ways, that the united states positioned itself around the world as a country which promoted itself as religious pluralism. but he found that the christian churches had so much power, that in many what is it could be considered to be the first institution of politics because it had so much power and weight on politics in the united states. jesse: i don't think any more that the christian church has that power. it's an increasingly pluralistic

organization. you can't have the ten commandments at the courthouse. if you want to say merry christmas at school they yell at you. you can't have a christmas tree, they call it a holiday tree. >> we are talking about religious pluralism. the school year is found on the christian calendar. if i want to take a day off -- do you even know what the holiest day is on the jewish calendar? jesse: no, tell me. >> that's a form of chris yawn privilege. you don't have to know other religions. when our holidays are. it's yom kippur, the dave atonement. i have the privilege of not knowing what your most of devout holiday is? that's a privilege to not know something? >> you don't have to know.

jesse: i feel bad i don't know. there is not a lot of jewish americans compared to christian americans. i don't know the most of devout muslim holiday either. >> of course. again, minorityized people have to know the holidays of christians for our own survival because it's self-promoted. jesse: i don't want christian privilege. i just want to be open and know everything abouter other person and i don't want to feel privileged. what can i do as a christian to make myself feel less privileged? >> i'm asking you to share your privilege. as a white man, i don't want to lose my white privilege. i don't want to walk into a store and be racially profiled.

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so don't miss it. that's it for us tonight. follow me on facebook, instagram and twitter. "justice with judge jsssssssssss next and remember i'm watters and this is my world. judge jeanine: hello and welcome to "justice." i'm jeanine pirro. thanks for being us tonight. white house deputy press secretary hogan gidley, congressman mark meadows, sara carter and david bossie are some of tonight's live guests. but first to my opening statement. they decide to trash, belittle and shame the president and his family including the first lady, taking fun of their