tonight. congrats you are a masters champion, mr. reed. martha is back tomorrow night. i will see you tomorrow morning on america's newsroom with sandra,:00 a.m. eastern time. do not be late. enjoy the evening, everybody. tucker is up next from washington. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." leaders on both sides of the aisle in congress in the media and our intelligence services and virtually every overfunded think tank in washington have suddenly aligned tonight on a single point of agreement. america must go to war in syria immediately. bashar al assad cannot continue to lead that country. he must be overthrown. assad is an evil man, they tell us, his latest crime is a chlorine gas attack carried out over the weekend by his forces against a rebel held suburb of damas king can you say. his poison gas suffocated children. pictures of the aftermath of that are all over the internet and they are horrifying. assad is a monster. that's the official story.

almost everyone in power claims to believe it. the push to war in syria, by the way has united politicians have both sides. lindsey graham and howard dean typically agree on very little. not much at all. but today they are both calling for war in syria. graham is ghanelding massive attacks on the syrian military, dean is going even further than that on twitter, he called the president, quote: a wimp for merely sending thousands of troops and launching tons of bombs at syria. that's not enough for howard dean who you may remember once ran for president as the peace candidate. tonight he wants total war in syria. television pundits, of course, strongly agree. this morning the foreign policy team over on msnbc exexplained that it's far more important for american troops to fight in syria than it is to secure our own border here in america u watch. >> there is no question that now all these years later is donald trump's challenge. >> he has to take action. he has spoken to macron. what he ought too do is a

coordinated action there has to be a coordinated response. >> as trump leaves to fight his imaginary border wall. is he leaving the real war where we could make a difference and turning it over to assad and to iran and to isis. this is something that barack obama wouldn't even do if confronted with these set of facts. >> tucker: trump has to take action in syria. everyone nods sagely that ought to make you nervous. universal bipartisan agreement on anything is usually the first sign that something deeply unwise is about to happen. if only because there is nobody left to ask skeptical questions. and we should be skeptical of this. starting with the poison gas attack itself. all the geniuses tell us that assad killed those children, but do they really know that? of course they don't really know that they are making it up. they have no real idea what happened. actually, both sides in the syrian civil war possess chemical weapons. how would it benefit assad

using chlorine gas last weekend? well it, wouldn't. assad's forces have been winning the war in syria. the administration just announced its plans to pull american troops out of syria. having vanquished isis. that's good news for assad. and about the only thing he could do to reverse it and hurt himself would be to use poison gas against children. well, did he it anyway, they tell us. is he that evil. please. keep in mind this is the same story they told us last april. do you remember that? it was almost exactly a year ago. the new administration announced it was no longer seeking to depose assad from power. regime change was no longer our policy. the usual war chorus in washington starting yelping and he used sarin gas. there was video. we bombed a syrian air base in response to that. at the time this show asked the obvious question are we really sure assad did that seems weirdly timed and counter productive to him.

shut up, they explained of course we are sure. what an unpatriotic question. but, of course, they were lying two. months ago the secretary of defense admitted that actually we still have no proof that assad used saharause saringas. propaganda. manipulate americans like so much of what they they say. we have seen this movie before and know how it ends. for the sake of argument, let's assume they are not lying this time. let's assume assad did just use sarin gas against kids. is he perfectly capable of that i'm not defending his moral character. if he did do, it would that be worth starting a war over. chaos, many thousands would die. in fact mike likely see the genocide of one of the last remaining christian communities in the middle east and we ought to care about that. some of the dead, of course, would be american servicemen. a new war would cost us tens of billions of dollars. maybe hundreds of billions. would it make america safer? would it make the region more stable? let's see, how exactly did

regime change work in iraq and libya? doesn't matter. say our moral leaders on cnn and everywhere else. astros cities like this cannot be tolerated. okay. but let's be real, we do tolerate atrocities like this all the time. for example, there is a devastating famine killing children in yemen right now. the saudis are calling that famine. should we drop tau tomahawks on riyadh not according to youtube. pictures are essential. in real life, syria is a highly complicated place. with assad gone. who would run it exactly? do we have another strong man in place to install? or is it our hope that he a stable democracy will magically appear in the wake of this protracted civil area? who exactly are these moderate rebels you hear about. the ones we are supporting with your tax dollars? a lot of them turn out to be islamist crazies. the city with a chemical attack just occurred is mostly controlled by the army of islam.

radical group called for establishing an islamic state under sharia law in syria. that group's founder called for exterminating all she a muslims and aloe whites from the country. we are supposed to wage a new war on this group's behalf. why is that exactly? back in 2013, when the syrian civil war was still in its early days, one onlooker weighed in on twitter. here is part of what he wrote. quote: we should stay the hell out of syria. the rebels are just as bad as the current regime. what will we get for our lives and billions of dollars? zero. in another tweet he said, this quote: let the arab league take care of syria. why rich arab countries not paying for such a tremendous cost of such an attack. another tweet he said. this what will we get for bombing syria inbesides more debt and conflict. , you know who wrote that donald trump. he was write right. that's one of the reasons he got elected president. now the same people who brought you a dying american middle class, undefended american borders, and endless pointless wars in countries you could not find

on a map are telling the president he has got to depose assad for reasons that are both unclear and demonstrably dishonest. by the way, it may happen. but, before it does, congress ought to consider a brand new constitutional amendment. let's call it the lindsey graham amendment. and here's what it would say. congress shall topple no government until it finishes rebuilding the last government it toppled. and furthermore, talk show generals shall be required to personally visit the battlefield of every war they advocate for. end of amendment. that would have an immediate and positive effect. let's hope it passes. roger wicker a republican representing the state of mississippi. he joins us tonight. senator, thanks for coming on. >> thank you. >> tucker: what is the american national security interest that would be served by regime change in syria? >> well, if you care about israel, you have to be interested at least in what's going on in syria. we're fighting isis there. iran is seeking to dominate

the whole region. i think we have national interests in syria. but, let me say this about what candidate trump may have said or what he said before he was a candidate. you know, there is information you receive when you are president of the united states that you really don't have as a candidate. and i appreciate the president putting a team around him that i have confidence in. secretary mattis and general dunford, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, i think are going to give the president good advice. john bolton starting today and i think. >> tucker: there are smart and decent people around him. >> tell him what he needs to hear. >> tucker: there is certainly a lot of those people are smart. but i just want to get back to the core question that i think a lot of voters have which is what the american national security that is served. you say you care about israel. i do care about israel. what's the american national

security interest that would be changed by regime change. can you think of downsides, death, cost, et cetera. how would this country become safer by overthrowing assad. >> i'm not sure regime change is still our goal there it was the goal of barack obama and hasn't really been our stated goal during this trump administration. but, defeating isis in iraq and in syria is still our goal. and i think that is in the national interest. >> tucker: but wasn't defeating isis one of the goals of the assad government? of course, isis was a radical sunni group. assad is allied with the shiites. he was fighting isis as well. why wouldn't we if we believe isis is the main enemy, functionally find ourselves on the side of assad? >> well, you're correct in this sense. and you are correct in many ways. it's complicated in syria. there is no question about

it. i mean, the -- there is not a bunch of white hats and a bunch of black hats. >> tucker: right. i will give you that. we are and we're not in the business of regime change. so i would challenge that but, it is within our national interest to make sure isis is defeated and we are -- we have almost got the job done. i just think it would be a mistake to pull away at this point. i'm very interested in the questions you are asking about whether there is some sort of a hoax or whether this poison gas attack really didn't happen was done by someone else. >> tucker: i'm not suggesting that. >> that's a question that mr. putin is asking and he has a right to ask it and so do you. i find myself on the other side of the issue. >> tucker: i'm not sure i

understand that implication. >> that's the question he asking. >> tucker: slow down, senator. that's not relevant to why i asked the question. i hope you are not trying to impugn my motive tying me to putin as some on the left do. let me ask again, we were told a year ago that the sarin gas attack in syria was committed by assad's regime. we learned two months ago that we don't really know that that we were lied to about that. i would think as a u.s. senator you would have an interest in getting to the truth because the chute matters, doesn't it. >> i think it's perfectly fine for someone in a position like you to ask that question. >> tucker: why aren't you asking the question? >> well, i have been listening to a lot over the last year. and for my purposes, i'm convinced that bashar assad was very much involved in the attack a year ago. the united nations security council. >> tucker: what makes you think that? >> based on information i have heard. i think. >> tucker: can you characterize it for us

because the secretary of defense -- i'm sorry, i wouldn't typically interrupt you. you suggested i was somehow allied with putin. can i press you on this question. secretary of defense. >> i'm suggest thawing asked the same question that he asked. >> tucker: so i must be a russian agent. i get it? >> i'm not saying that at all. i'm not saying that at all. >> tucker: it's an obvious question actually. the secretary of defense said we didn't have proof but you apparently have proof that the secretary of defense doesn't have. could you characterize it for us? >> no. >> why? >> i'm not going to get into that further. >> tucker: okay. so are you satisfied that we know for a fact that the assad regime acting against its own strategic interest was behind the chlorine gas attack this weekend? >> and as i was about to say, tucker, the u.n. security council is looking at that very issue right now. the president of the united states has concluded that, in fact, bashar assad was involved in this. and was responsible for it.

>> tucker: okay. >> i assume he is making that statement based on the best facts can get from the secretary of defense and from the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and his incoming national security advisor. >> tucker: okay. well i guess putin and i would like a little more detail on that before we launch a new war on the basis of it. do you think that's a fair question to ask? >> i think you are asking interesting questions and they need to be asked. >> tucker: okay. >> where i come down is that we have a strategic interest there. and it doesn't make sense for us to leave without getting the job done. i would be results-based in syria rather than time line based. >> tucker: okay. well, that was revealing. thank you, senator, i appreciate it? >> thank you. >> tucker: steve patnos knows a lot about syria. he spent two years as the hogs damage of he will news arhe wille

>> we saw the pictures so something happened. one of the first questions is the assad regime the only group in the region that possesses these weapons? >> of course not. we have videos. and i have been in conversation with these people. lived with them for two years. i know what their goals are in life. they are interested in carrying out an ex -- a war of extermination against their enemies, particularly the against the syrian, against the syrian government, they are more than willing to use any weapon whatsoever. anything it takes to rid themselves of their enemies. i'm quite per situated that theisituate -- per persuaded their goal is annihilation of. ambition to exterminate the enemy. i have no doubt this is something that they desire. it's their dream. they believe they own this

land that god gave it to them and that they should kick the other people out. kill them. >> tucker: so, since you spent years as a captive and are familiar with some of these groups, characterize for us, if you will, some of the rebel groups that the united states appears to be supporting and that we hope will take the place of the assad regime once they are deposed? >> i mean, i can give you this characterization. can i tell you that the people that we believe we're supporting, as soon as we give, you know, a nickel to these people it goes in 10 different directions. they divide every asset that's fungible up among themselves. we don't know who we are giving our guns and our money to. we just don't. even though we clear them we vet them and retrain them. we don't know what happens once they go into the country and it's just -- it's unexplored emptiness, those places that the rebels control. the reason we cannot investigate and figure out who actually committed these chemical attacks is because every time, any outside

person that goes into these areas, is either disappeared or ends up in a cage or tortured or will have his head cut off. it's really quite impossible to explore the origin of these crimes. it's true that there are a number of possible culprits. but, before we go starting any wars, we should investigate properly and we can't do that now because we cannot access the scene of the crime. >> tucker: thank you for reminding us how complex this all is and you of course have firsthand experience with it theo padnos i appreciate it? >> you bet. >> tucker: you have been hearing it every day on the other channels defending america's own borders is immoral while invading a war in syria is a real one and imperative. does anyone believe that? why are people saying that exactly. colonel doug mcgregor author of the book margin of victory. people make the case against

using force to protect our southern borders but in favor of using force to protect the territorial integrity of syria. what do you think? >> well, i think it's lunancy to be perfectly blunt. it's a crazy idea. first of all, the united states armed forces at least as far as the constitution is concerned exists principally, primarily to defend the united states. that includes its borders against foreign penetration and for 150 years we have tried to defend those borders for 100 of those years we had the united states army on the border. from 1867 onward, we built 40s. we had thousands of troops down there. all the generals that commanded our forces during the second world war served on the mexican border. we have been dealing with criminality, corruption, forms of terrorism for decades. and this is not a new problem. people need to understanding mexico is america's soft underbelly.

before world war ii and the rainbow plans, we recognize that mexico presented a threat because mexico also sides with our enemies. mexico sided with germany during world war i against us. mexico was the principle platform for the kgb and western hemisphere all through the world war. mexico is hostile to us. and for the last 40 or 50 years, anyone heading north in mexico who said they wanted to go to the united states got to ride on public transportation for nothing. now, add to that the drug trafficking, which is now capitalized on corruption on a scale never before seen in the history of that country, and then the millions and millions and millions of people that have penetrated our border, then look at the nexus of terrorism and criminality in the caribbean basin where we intercept every day thousands of communications in farcy, in arabic, in russian, in chinese. it doesn't take a genius to figure out we have a real

conflict in mexico and we ignore at great peril. we are already spending billions to deal with the consequences of illegal immigration and the criminality here. we have criminals in our jails. costs us hundreds of billions of dollars every year. this has got to stop. donald trump said he would control the border. it's time to put the military on the border. the national guard is nice. but the national guard is not experienced in this. the regular army is. we have thousands of people with experience. >> tucker: yes. >> we need to put them on the border and we need to secure it then we can rotate the national guard through. >> tucker: thank you for that plain explanation, colonel. i appreciate it. >> okay. >> tucker: remember that caravan of migrants coming up from central america. the media said they were dispersed in mexico. but most migrants in one van say they are coming here anyway. and if they get to california, they will find a state in civil war over sanctuary cities so they

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>> tucker: well, the american press declared that the migrant caravan in mexico was not a problem for the united states. but, actual my grants are getting in the way of that story line. cnn reporter interviewed a man in a van of migrants in the caravan. after claiming that many plan to stay in mexico, the reporter found that almost all of them actually plan to head here to the united states. so, if they get here, they will find the country divided over how to treat them. newport beach, california, could soon become the latest town in that state to openly

defy its sanctuary state law. an attorney running for the d.a. of san francisco. he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> so, i guess the bigger question here is there are seven countries in central america. about 47 million people. why wouldn't all of them come to california? and why don't they have a right to? >> well, let's -- this caravan of people these are asylum seekers, right in this is really a multinational problem. a lot of like what is happening out in syria, where the many governments have to deal with these people. >> yeah, it is. >> as you know this is something that happens every year. over the years we have seen that a majority people end up in mexico and end up staying in mexico. this is really mexican problem. this is not a problem here in the united states. the sanctuary city thing is an entirely different issue. >> tucker: no, no. >> related to daca. >> tucker: before you make policy, you have to agree on

what's true. and who has rights and what are they? and so my question is, every country in central america and i have been to six out of seven, is less good to live in than the united states. so, all the population of central america could plausiblably claim asylum here. do we have a right to say no? and how many. >> absolutely. >> tucker: can we say no to? if we have that right, then why is no one in statewide office in california invoking that right? why are they saying we don't actually have a right to keep people out. >> no. what they are saying in california is that california is not obligated to enforce its federal immigration law. that's always been true. we can agree on that. that's not what these sanctuary city policies are really about. sanctuary city originally, if you look back at 20, 30 years ago when it first state-of-the-arted was enacted to protect the daca type people. and 70% of americans believe that we need to deal with daca. even our president believes that. if the president would do that, it would make it a lot

harder for us here in california to defend our sanctuary city policy. there is no question about it. >> tucker: let me ask you this, let's say you had 5 million migrants from central america show up in california tomorrow, claim asylum, all of them were admitted. would the state get poorer or richer? >> i don't know. that's a good question. depends how they get assimilated in our state. once they are in our state they could go to any state. they could go to your state, mexico, nevada and elsewhere. i can tell you for san francisco it would be difficult because they would end up living on the street because it's so expensive here. s that true 44% of all households in california don't speak english at home. that's a foreign culture living within the larger culture. is that a problem? >> me by way of example, my father was an immigrant. my first language was italian. i have assimilated pretty well in the united states. that's the american dream,

right? >> tucker: no, no. but 44% of all of households. a lot of these are not people that arrived yesterday, last year, 10 years ago. they arrived a long time ago. and still speaking foreign language at home. that's a problem no not assimilated as immigrants. >> that's the sanctuary city policies that are protecting people from certain incursions. there is no question about it that we are accepting people here in california. we build bridges, not walls. that being said, the federal government does have a right to enforce federal immigration policies. >> tucker: i'm not sure i even understanding your answer. here, let me ask you one last question. the outflow from california middle class navin important californians is overwhelming. it's all over the news in your state. i know have you seen it politician are spending majority of their time talking about how to help people here illegally. do you worry that you are not pays enough tension to your own people, to your own

middle class and they're leaving? >> oh, every day all day long. we are spending more and more money just by way of example here in california. our city budget used to be $3 billion. not 15 years ago. now it's $10 billion and we have people running for mayor that want to add, you know, billion-dollar bonds. there is no question it's getting more expensive. some of the liberal policies are very expensive. we need to look inward instead of outward to make sure our own are taken care of. we're at a tipping point on that. >> tucker: you are the first person seeking office in california on the left who has said that thank you. joe, good to see you. >> good to see you, too. >> tucker: first it was guns they were going to take them away. now they are going further in london which is a city and kind of a country now. the mayor is going after knives. how long until the left comes after your buck knife? plus bill de blasio's regime is pretty tough on guns. guess what one of his top aides was just caught with? illegal gun? we will tell you when we

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russia and iran have military ♪ >> we're going to brake away from nikki haley's testimony before the u.n. security council. we have breaking news just in. the "new york times" just reported that the fbi today raided the offices of president trump's long-time attorney michael cohen. >> tucker: well, that raid reported solid connected to the stormy daniels story. cnn covered wall-to-wall and of course stormy disanels way more important than any war with syria. that's cnn's position. is it mark steyn's position he joins us tonight. author and columnist. [laughter] mark, the priorities become really clear. you cut from the u.n. we may go to war, stormy daniels news breaking. did you see that? >> yeah. i saw this new film chappaquiddick over the weekend. and after ted kennedy has his car accident, his dad, joe kennedy, calls in all the old kennedy fixes.

and they are thrilled because chappaquiddick happened at the time that man was about to set foot on the moon. they thought this is great. if man sets foot on the moon for the first time ever, this will bury ted's car accident and we'll be okay. you can bet that that if man set foot on the moon for the first time and they raided trump's lawyer's office, that trump's lawyer's office would absolutely crush one giant step for mankind, would burr requesty it. it would be on the foot of page 37 and no one would ever know man had landed on the moon. that's the priorities over on cnn. >> tucker: you have stormy daniels pictures to accompany it. >> as i said to you last time it's a perfectly good sex scandal and now $130,000 campaign finance infraction

that robert mueller and the fbi are going to pursue to the ends of the earth in necessary. they don't care how many dollars they spent on $130,000 campaign infraction. i like my scandals to be about sex not campaign finance. >> tucker: i agree. way less appealing when 2 becomes campaign finance. the mayor of london khan is vowing a crack down on knives. cutting implements following a crime wave there. there is never a reason to carry a knife and vowing to punish all who do. meanwhile in new york, in related news, bill de blasio aide region again stephens arrested after caught with illegal handgun in her car. what do these add up to other than like the end of western civilization? >> it's interesting to me in britain because i believe the national cutlery

association has come out strongly against background checks for people who want to own knives. you know, they are thinking that, you know, if you outlaw knives only outlaws will have knives. and i use the term cutlery seriously because people use what's at happened. i was in a french village, two summers ago, and a lady and two of her daughters were felt to be were in their bathing suits and mohammed next to them went full allahu akbar and stabbed them with the fork. the fork he was having breakfast with and a helicopter had to fly in and helicopter, the wounded. people use what's at hand. the reality in london as katie hopkins said on your show a couple of nights ago is that 85% of last month's stabbings perpetrators and

victims are basically the result of modern immigration policies too tie what you were talking about with the general about the border, that's the issue. if you don't have a border, if you don't have a security perimeter at the border, you wind up having to have security perimeters over everything else. including. >> tucker: that's exactly right. >> cutlery displays in london supermarkets. >> tucker: when you have a population that can't control itself you can't have rights is the problem. >> no. >> tucker: de blasio's aide gets caught with illegal handgun is this like peta running the butcher shop? is there anything more hypocritical than this. >> basically this is his advisor on criminal justice matters. and she is in a car that's filled with marijuana smoke with handgun on which all the identifying marks have been rubbed off. and i think, again, this

gets to a point we come back to time and again, increasingly we live in a land where the laws don't apply to certain people. you know, he will pull some strings. she'll skate. and if you're connected. if you are part of a governor's or a mayor's detail, you will be fine. if you work for someone important, you are fine. and if you are just some guy living in some subdivision, you don't need a gun. you don't need nothing. and. >> tucker: exactly right. >> it's that division. >> tucker: class system. it's awful. >> that's and american. >> tucker: an an economy to match. wish had you more time. see you in two days. millions of americans meanwhile addicted to opioids. could the phone in your pocket be as addictive as narcotics? possible. talked to a doctor studying that question. he joins us next. n't use it.

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>> tucker: millions of malcolm jenkins are addicted to opioids. tens of though sands die from them every year. there is another addiction crisis going on that gets no coverage at all. tens of millions of measures are hopelessly addicted to their electronic devices. particularly to their smart phones, online video games and lots of other things that big tech has gotten rich on. it's a big deal. dr. david hill is chair of the american academy of pediatrics council on communications in media. he says that smart phone addiction is a crisis for our society. dr. hill joins us tonight. doctor, thanks for coming on. when you say it's an addiction, what sense do you mean that? clearly an addiction that the average person checks their phone 70 times a day. in the clinical sense is it addictive? >> i don't think anybody would say it's addictive, tucker. in fact, the dsm 5, the

current manual that psychiatrists use specifically carve out that there is not really a diagnosis called tech addiction. now, there are a couple of diagnoses that they think are worth investigating. and those are problematic internet use and internet gaming disorder. those sorts of problems are thought to affect up to maybe 8%. the numbers differ from 4% to about 9% or 10% of american youth. but, whether that's an addiction in the same way opioid is an addiction. you are looking at 116 americans killed every day on average by opioids. nobody would say that cell phones are killing 116 people a day. >> tucker: of course not. are they degrading our society? are they making it difficult for people to continue linear thoughts to read books, to concentrate and i know dsm definitions change over time, would you say it's a compulsion? it certainly seems to meet that threshold. >> you know, anything that gives us instant pleasure is something that we can become

dependent on. at the point that we are ignoring the other needs we have in our lives to pay attention to these things and get that sort of pleasure, then it becomes a problem. we deal with children and the biggest problems that we see in children related to smart phone use or screen use or particularly sleep, obesity. there are some concerns about attention. nobody has proven that smart phones cause adhd. that's a popular theory. but the science is not out there to really draw that line. there has been a lot of concern about rising rates of depression and anxiety. >> tucker: yeah. >> that are coming along at the same time as rising rates. there is an author jean twin, she has worked on that, and her argument is that the phones came first and then the psychiatric problems. so maybe the phones caused the psychiatric problems. but i think more conservative researchers would stop at least one step short of that. and, you are aware of this distinction between correlation and causality. many people see a very strong correlation but i don't know that most experts

in the field are quite ready to jump to causality. >> tucker: i know a lot about the correlation between a lack of research and not really knowing what the truth is. i don't think there has been a lot of research on this thing which is ubiquitous in our society and wasn't 10 years ago. i mean, i don't know why we don't know more i guess is the question. we are almost out of time. do you have a thought on that? >> many of my friends and co-workers are working on this issue right now. the research is burgeoning. it takes a while to do a good study. the technology is moving fast. so once you get a study the in bag, the technology has moved away. i would support more money dedicated towards research because this is huge. >> tucker: it's changed everything and we haven't paused to think about how. >> exactly. >> tucker: i don't think we will. doctor, thank you. good to see you. >> thank you. >> tucker: the ceo of facebook mark zuckerberg is testifying on capitol hill tomorrow. fox, of course, will be covering that testimony live tomorrow afternoon. we hope you will watch. why will be.

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will be allowed to race in the women's part of this year's race. this year at least five transgender runners will be competing in the women's division. despite the advantages that they may have due to higher

testosterone levels. what are the rules exactly. bail slay psychotherapist and she joins us tonight. my case isn't to make the case against transgenders. i think biology is real and we shouldn't ignore it that's not really the point i want to make. i want to sincere questions about what qualifies you as a biological man to compete as a woman because there is an actual fairness question here to women. what does that mean exactly for the purposes of the boston mayor ton? >> so what the boston marathon it seems like to me has done and i have been reporting on transgendered athletes for a long time now. and i think what they did was they adopted the policy that was set forth by the u.s. track and field committee, which followed what the u.s. international -- i'm sorry, the international olympic committee also set forth as to what to do with transgendered athletes. so they have -- if you

identify -- let's say you are born a man but identify as a woman and you qualify as a woman and you are able to compete as a woman on the day of the race, but you have to qualify and compete in the gender in which you qualified for if that makes sense. >> tucker: it doesn't make sense because it doesn't answer the basic question which is what are the criteria for qualifie qualifyina woman? men have physical advantages that are inborn, biological. it puts them at sort of a great advantage over the women against whom they are competing. how do i qualify as transgender female athlete? why couldn't any man say i identify as a woman now and beat a lot of women unfairl unfairly? >> thee receip rerhetoricly the. it's not as if these athletic committees are asking for a full history of these athletes. if a man decided to compete as a woman and ran all those

qualifying races as a woman, then on game day, they are allowed to compete as a woman. now, the interesting fact here. >> tucker: what are the criteria? but what are the criteria? how do we determine if someone is a woman for the purposes of competing in the women's event? like how do we other than a person's word for it? >> historically, you took a blood test. >> well, so here's the issue. what they do is they ask for you to present a government i.d. so, it's what you identify as. not necessarily what you are born as. and where this issue gets a little bit more complicated and will get more complicated as time goes on is that states now are starting to say that people have the choice of being considered nonbinary and checking that off on their government ids. so, if you have one point 4 million people now in this country identifying as transgender and transgender is relative term for many things that fall under it. and then you start

issuing -- states are issuing government ids. >> tucker: i get it. so there are no rules. we are just making it up as we go along. it's fine if the purpose is to make people feel good. i get it. i'm not attacking anybody. if there are actual prizes at stake or jobs or marathons. it might be nice to have some rules. we are out of time. nell, thank you. >> good to see you. >> tucker: are pandas in fact sex crazed killing machines? a new study says they are despite appearances and of course we will have details on that. stay tuned. polident is specifically designed to clean a denture.

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>> tucker: you know the official story about pandas quite adorablely helpless. which is why they are almost extinct. that's a law to the "wall street journal." the cereal panda secret stud with a theirs for flesh. panda could easily kill you if they felt like it. thank god they don't. they are not against sex either. they hate unsexies zoo. when they are in the wild male pandas engage.

he has 40 times in a single afternoon. good things pandas are so distracted by human lives or humans would be the endangered species. something else to be grateful for. that's it for us tonight. jimmy kimmel is in for sean. >> sean: really? really? that's a great line. all right. tucker, great show. thank you. and this is a fox news alert. president trump's long-time personal attorney, michael cohen just had his office, his home, and his hotel that he was staying in raided by the fbi today in an early morning raid. now, what that means is mueller's witch-hunt investigation is now a run away train that is clearly careening off the tracks. plus, a u.s. led response to syria could happen any mommy. we are watching throughout the hour. and president trump is currently weighing options against the assad regime, following a devastating apparent gas attack against innocent men, women, and children in the eastern suburbs of damascus. and also tonight, the former attorney general loretta link, she is speaking out and throwing cold water