here tonight. we will continue to talk about the life and the legacy of an extra ordinary woman. the wife and mother to two united states presidents, barbara bush. >> tucker: former first lady barbara bush has died today at the age of 92. she decided to forgo further treatment for her health. mrs. bush was one of only two women and american history to find herself both the wife of the president and the mother of another president. there was also tragedy. she had six children including a daughter, robin who died of leukemia at the age of three, more than 60 years ago. the rest of her life, the memory made her cry. other than that, barbara bush was not one for weaving in public. she was a lifelong advocate of good taste and self-restraint. brit hume knew her well for many years. 38 years, and he joins us

tonight. what did you make of barbara bush? >> she was a woman of enormous character. she adored her husband and i always had this sense in seeing them together that she never could quite get enough of him, that he was such a gregarious man, he had so many friends and people like him and he liked people and there was never quite enough of him to go around as far as she was concerned. of course, as was mentioned and bill clinton's statement we just saw on the air a few minutes ago, she was a fierce person. this was not a mellow first lady, this was a woman of strong views and yet, she managed for all that to not really ever be a controversial first lady. she just wasn't. i think it's because people saw her character and admired her and she was indeed admirable. >> tucker: looking at the tip of her on the screen, you really know what how much america has changed and how she was representative of the country

and values that aren't as common as they once were. she was, as you say, famous without being controversial. how did she pull that off? >> it was obvious to people who saw her and heard her speak and watch the way she behaved, she behaved with a certain dignity and grace befitting the wife of a public figure and the wife of a president come out later the mother of a president, so she had that quality which i think people respected and she also had an obvious goodwill. i think that shone through in a way that was unmistakable. people saw those things in her and she never struck a false note. there was a moment during the 1988 campaign when geraldine ferraro, excuse me, i guess it was during the 1984 campaign when her husband had debated

geraldine for aldo against walter mondale and she said that geraldine ferraro came across as somebody who could be running with rich. that was immediately taken to mean "bitch" ," but she meant which. people quickly forgave her for that, and she went on to become well-liked and popular. you never had the feeling about her that if you had your shirt on talked or you were a little out of order that she wouldn't notice. i remember being at a state dinner, the custom as always if you are a member of the white house press corps, there's a certain number of tickets and i got to go to one at one time in my dinner partner was a retired tennis pro who is a front of the bush family and she had on this very short gold evening dress and word reach me pretty quickly that mrs. bush

was not amused by the dress. i thought it was wonderful. >> tucker: her son would go one at some length about what a ferocious figure she was and you knew her in washington covering the family in florida and also in maine, you spent a lot of time around different parts of the bush family. she was at the center of it, kind of a remarkable family. what was her role in the family? >> obviously, she's the matriarch because she is the mother, the grandmother, the wife of the president. she was strong, not mellow in the way her husband was. those boys -- she was starchy, dignified, aristocratic, almost

things. people loved her. you could say in this political atmosphere that they loved her in spite of that. >> tucker: you wonder if there's a space for someone like that in modern american life. >> i think so. if you behave with grace and dignity and decorum and obvious goodwill, people will respect that. she also had that countenance with the white hair which she had from quite a young age, i guess it was her husband who dubbed her the silver fox. she was known to many people by that. she lives that part. she was quite a figure. she's a real loss to the country and i can only think about how her husband must be feeling tonight because they were so close, tucker. i didn't see a lot of them in recent years, but when they were together, they were always holding hands.

she had portable oxygen the last several times i saw her, she was getting around as best she could and of course, he's quite ill and is believed by the family to be in the latter stages of his life. i don't know if it wasn't his bit about many people outside the family that she would predecease him as has now happened, but i can only imagine the loss he's feeling tonight. all of our hearts go out to him and the west rest of the bush . >> tucker: were looking at pictures inside of the bush family home outside in texas. we just saw barbara bush with her famous springer spaniel. she was a great lover of springer spaniel spared one of the great things about her or anyone, but i have to say she was with her husband all the time, she traveled with him. what was her political sensibility? she must of had a sense of it being around her whole life.

>> she had a pet issue, literacy, she had a number of causes she supported, literacy was the one that was most conspicuous and i went to be the emcee at the 75th anniversary of pearl harbor a year ago last december and that was at the bush library, bush 41 library in texas and the first night we were there, she was not there because she was away at a literacy event with her son neil. there was a cause that she lost sight of. the springer spaniel's were out of the picture and she had a couple of these dogs that went wherever she would go and you could tell when she was going to come into a room because she would be preceded by the dogs and they kept an eye on things. she liked that. >> tucker: our dogs get smaller as we age, i notice that.

that was a wonderful summation of an amazing life and i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> tucker: george hw bush's chief of staff in american life and he joins us tonight with his memories. governor, thanks a lot for coming on. what are your memories of barbara bush? >> she was a great lady and a great friend. and it's a great loss. it's amazing how she was the rock of that family and they all acknowledge it. when i was in the white house, i was fortunate enough to have a great relationship with her. we developed a great relationship and the '88 campaign and she could see through people. she could sense the real people from a phonies and i think she sensed that i really had the president's back so we got along really, really well. it made my life easy.

>> tucker: it was important to get along with her then. >> it certainly was. her family knew that more than anyone else. >> tucker: her son, the president, 43rd president used to talk about her a lot with a mixture of what sounded like love, honor, and may be a little of fear. >> he called her the enforcer. >> tucker: exactly. >> she really was an exceptional person. she didn't try to be seen all around the white house, but she knew whenever the president had a tough decision, the person that got his ear last was barbara bush and she made a big, big difference that way. >> tucker: i want to put up on the screen the statement we just received from the president 43 george w. bush. my dear mother has passed at age 92. laura, barbara, jenna, and i are sad, but our souls are settled.

barbara bush was a fabulous first lady and a woman unlike any other who brought levity, love, and literacy to millions. i'm lucky that barbara bush was my mother. we thank you all for your prayers and good wishes. how did barbara bush manage to be as famous as she was a question mark she was pretty famous for her first lady, more than most i think, and yet pretty widely liked on a bipartisan level, she was never controversial or divisive. how did she do that? >> she tried to make sure she wasn't controversial or divisive. she was clear in her opinions, people knew where she stood, she didn't straddle anything in the fact of what you saw was what you got. it was like that from day one

all the way through. i was lucky enough to have a quiet dinner with the president and mrs. bush last month. we went down and did an event at the bush library and she looked a little extra frail, but in the condition that we now know she was in, it was a fun dinner. we talked about old times, we reminisced, we laughed a little bit and we talked about what was going on. she never let her personal situation impact the quality of interaction she had with people. >> tucker: she lived through the whole span of modern american history, 92 euros. she was born before the great depression in a world that no longer exists and then she passes in the middle of the world that is becoming a big completely different. i wonder how she responded to that. what did you make of it? >> should not only lived through it, she helped shape it.

i think she was very aware of what a crucial time that she and the president spent in the white house. that was a real hinge point. george h.w. bush was the one who had a very delicate diplomatic skills to pull it off as smoothly as it was pulled off. the collapse of the soviet union and the reunification of germany and she was a very active part of that whole process. her relationship with mrs. gorbachev was important. her relationship with the other first ladies around the world was part of the very personal relationship that george bush developed and it was his personal relationship to a great extent that allow that process to work so smoothly.

she was a very important part of that. >> tucker: governor johnson, head of another famous political family in this country. thank you. brad buckman worked as a staffer in the george w. bush white house. he knew barbara bush for decades and he joins us now. are you there? >> sure, thank you. >> tucker: what are your memories of barbara bush? >> barbara bush was the same behind the camera as she was in front of the camera. always interested in others, always caring for others. the second and first lady of the united states, family counted more than anything. both her own family and her political family and the family of america. she made her mark most notably on literacy. believing that every word of every person can be found in their ability to learn and read. i was struck by the fact at how

caring she was and how devoted she was, not only to her husband and her family, but she was a consummate first lady. >> tucker: unlike the first lady she replaced, there is no mixed response to her. the rental people against barbara bush that i noticed. were you afraid of her? >> what you had to be a little bit afraid of her because mrs. bush was like your mom. she would scold you when you are doing something bad and praise you when you are doing something good. i have a quick story, i was a young person and i was running around to meet the president and the first lady in the elevator to go to the u.n. and i forgot my raincoat. it was raining cats and dogs and i was the only one in the elevator without a raincoat. i said mrs. bush was running around and i didn't have time to

get it. that's not the smart thing to do. you need to go back and get it and the president and i will wait in the car. 40 cars idling, mrs. bush said i was dumb. i got it and it reminded me of how smart i was when i had it o on. >> tucker: that's a mother of six rate there. thank you for that. our friend dana perino was the press secretary . thank you very much for coming on. how would you sum up the life of barbara bush? >> it was one of great consequence. she lived a long life, she was 92 years. most of it in pretty good healt health. just loved by her family and the rest of the world, really. she was the ambassador from the u.k. who was on with martha when the news broke that barbara bush had passed.

she was beloved around the world as the bushes had made quite a mark on history, but i think that you, as a father might even recognize this in her, but if i could reiterate it, one of the things that she and george h.w. bush did and raising their children was they were determined to make sure that everyone knew that they were loved unconditionally. george w. bush is president, i'm sorry, after he left the presidency, he really took a lot of time to explain how important that was to his future because you knew you could take risks. you can follow your path because if it didn't work out, your family was going to be there. i thought that was interesting parenting lesson for me to

understand. i think that her influence was what drove all of that to them. >> tucker: one of her sons told me it was a pivotal experience of her life. with losing her daughter robin to leukemia, it's the one thing that made her cry, but other than that, she had this remarkable self-control. will he ever have another first lady like that? i'm serious. it was a specific kind of american-style and now it's don done. speak out again, humility and a

sense of humor. i remember when i spoke on behalf of president bush, come out when i thought she might be watching, i would swallow my words. if it wasn't her not being proud of us. it was really special to know her. she and i bonded over the fact that she knew i was going to be loyal to her son and the press secretary and she was also a lot of fun. i remember one time my husband and i got to meet them and we

were talking about the importance of thank you notes, also an old-fashioned thing, but a tradition that i thought should continue. peter came back and what i think you know. i was traveling and got back and didn't have the address, so it finally got there, but it was about two and a half weeks after our first meeting. we saw her not long after that and the first thing she said to peter was "that was the longest time i've ever had to wait for thank you note." she said it with a twinkle in her eye, but it's one of the things you did not want to disappoint barbara bush. >> tucker: i had that experience. i was in a public place with her once in a gym and i ran into my own wife and kissed her a little bit too enthusiastically and barbara bush give me a look like none of that in public. which i appreciated. dana perino, thank you very muc much. >> you are so welcome, thank you

for all this coverage. >> tucker: bill bennett served as secretary of education during the most -- he also helped the national drug control. mr. secretary, thanks for coming on. >> what you bet. i've got some different stuff for you. she had grace and dignity and class. can't say that anymore. i think milani has a lot of appearing and grace and dignity. my dealings with barbara bush were a little different. we used to fight a lot, argue a lot. she was very feisty and funny. she stood on stage in a downtown washington hotel, but she and i

clashed. we talked about her interest in literacy and adult literacy. we took a trip to kentucky together, a place remote a lot of adult literacy programs are going on and on the way back, she said to meet your very polite, but you don't fully approve of this, do you? the way she spoke, wonderful. i said, no i fully approve, i just think we should get it right the first time. so we kidded about that. another time, if i may, the president had a big conference in charlottesville, you may remember this, you were a child, i think. bill clinton was chairman of the national government, big thing, celebrate, common things.

i was interviewed after the meeting by cbs and i trashed it. i said we had a lot of republican, democrat. i got word from the white house at the president was not pleased. the next morning, i had a meeting at the white house with the president and the president of columbia on drug policy. the first lady was there and before i could say hello, she punched me in the stomach and said why did you have to read on the parade? what's wrong with you? that's the kind of girl are talking about. don't you love that? >> tucker: not so easy to give a house full of kids under control. her mothering style, parenting style, it was obvious in all of her children.

>> my wife took our youngest son joe, he had all this sugar and my wife held him up for barbara to see and approve of and bless him and just as she did, he threw up. he tossed his cookies totally. you're a father of many children, this happens. elaine pulled the baby back so as not to get stuff on mrs. bush and said that's never happened, i've never, ever seen it in my life. she was so, so cool. she was very cool. >> tucker: bill bennett, thank you. i appreciate that. >> thank you, thanks for letting me be a part of this. bye. >> tucker: our coverage of barbara bush's passing continues. we've got other news to cover and by now you know that everyone in washington is obsessed with confronting russi russia.

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purity . they weren't embarrassingly wrong about anything. nope, putin did it, his fault. it all began as a psychological exercise as a way for a stunned ruling class to feel better about itself and the face of a humiliating loss, but from there, the russia story became a handy way to tear down the administration. you know all this by now, it's contemptible and dishonest, but the real question is is all of this becoming dangerous to the rest of us? russia isn't just a cnn topic, it's an actual country with borders and millions of people and one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world. you would think we would tread carefully when it came down to it because there is no advantage in exacerbating our rivalry with russia pointlessly. there is an obvious downside to

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what is america's national interests and confronting russia and the way that we are? >> i'm going to answer that with a question and then more of an answer. it is donald trump acting like an innocent person as regards to russia? >> tucker: do you realize how profoundly the trump administration has degraded the moral sense of its opponents? this is insane, do you recognize that? >> trey gowdy is the person at -- >> tucker: i'm asking is a citizen, what is the point of all this? >> there's two points. one is regards to syria, we are dealing with a war criminal who if left uncontained has done

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>> why do i fully consulting my country, my people? what's this about, why is it for us? >> i think that's typing something that where viewers buy into the notion of being in a shooting war with russia. honestly, i think they're totally disconnected. you talked about the fantasy of collusion, russia offered help, russia gave help.

i'm sorry if that seems a good fantasy to you, it's very real. >> tucker: i'm sorry for hyping this. adam schiff, also california, we are at war, an attack on our country. this is insane. never moving towards a shooting war with russia and they're still saying this. >> i think dick cheney, not a left wing loonie got he got characterized then all these attacks on russia to undermine our democracy where the equivalent of an act of war. to undermine the integrity -- >> tucker: let me ask you a question. if you really believe that the president likely colluded war, why would you be against a shooting where you are obviously in favor of this lunacy in syria where we are taking on war

criminals, that could easily escalate and wanes that i don't need to explain because they're so obvious. we've already killed hundreds apparently. >> i have zero confidence in donald trump's judgment to basically run the country in a shooting war with russia. you might have some, i don't. unless he has proof, he is responding to political impulses to move into syria or take on the russians militarily, that's the dereliction of duty. >> tucker: it's a war against

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house to vote on immigration proposals is a good idea? thanks for coming on. >> things were having me. there are so many things going on in california. it's our biggest estate, so i think it's worth watching. why would the concern of foreign citizens, citizens from other countries take place of california? >> it's a national issue. the house, the senate and the presidency, we elected to lead. our border is not secure. we have millions of immigrants who come here every year at another half a million that come across our southern border. we've got to have a resolution, we have to have -- i would like

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>> tucker: why does it provide more funding? a spigot we got past and overall border security bill. >> tucker: you just voted on that. >> i didn't vote for it. it's disappointing that under the previous administration, every democrat in the house, every democrat in the senate signed on to the bill that came out of the senate that had $42 billion for border security and now, this has become a political hot potato to not giving this president 25 billion. i think both parties recognize that he will spend it, he will build it and build it quickly and effectively. >> tucker: as a democracy, thanks for coming on.

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doesn't seem odd. it only hurt his position internationally, so why would he do that? senator rand paul made the same observation. watch. >> assad is a bit of the dumbest dictator on the planet or he didn't do it. you think about it, they've been winning the war for over a year. the only thing that galvanizes world opposition to the assad regime, the only thing it involves that all is the use of chemical weapons. >> tucker: what do we really know about this? what questions should we be asking? what questions should we be allowed to ask? peter ford is the former british ambassador to syria, he works for a group that's been described as pro-assad and he joins us now. mr. ambassador, thanks for coming on. since you do know a lot about

syria and you follow this carefully, what do we know, what does our government know, what does our government know about the genesis of this chemical attack? >> it's not threatened, it was a chemical attack. the reports were that they could find no folks would confirm the chemical attack. they went to the hospital where those videos were filmed, they spoke to doctors, they named it doctors comeau's so this could be checked, there was no chemical attack. what there was was an ordinary bomb attack that had people streaming into the hospital with smoke inhalation problems and what happened then was that the white helmets that the jay hottie mama

everybody went into gas mode, they started with the hoses and the inhalers. meanwhile, it was all being carefully videoed and put out by a rich arab country propagandists. there is a distinct possibility that we have been diluted. i think the president's advisors have served him extremely badly. they have not been asking the hard questions, like who are the white helmets? the president was told that these are the people who have helped in beheading, literally picking up the pieces. these are the people that he thanks would be good witnesses. >> tucker: let me stop you, i'm at a bit of a disadvantage, i'm not an arabic speaker, i don't know what happened. here's what i do know as an observer of government before

your lunch and a kind of attacks, you have to explain why you're doing it because this is a democracy after all. no government bothered to do that, so why do you think if you can quickly sum it up, the point of this? what's the actual point of this? >> i don't think it has any real point. the action was futile even with the sites that were bombed, they had been inspected as recently as last november by these international inspectors who were there now. the president's advisors tell him that they'd been inspected recently and given the all clear? i suspect the president has not been given the facts and that he's been led by advisors who have been extremely gullible and haven't carried out their intelligence. this has all the hallmarks of an

intelligent fiasco. >> tucker: yes, it doesn't those don't tend to go away. they linger. when you mislead the public, they don't get it. ambassador, thank you for the perspective on that. we appreciate it. the media went completely bonkers over the stormy daniels appearance on the view. we watch carefully. we have some tape from a single sum it up for you when we come back. ♪ like those from buddy. because stuffed animals are clearly no substitute for real ones. feel the clarity and live claritin clear.

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>> tucker: [laughs] that announcer royce is real. watch this. >> stormy daniels breaking out today on the talk show "the view." >> breaking news, coming in, stormy daniels will be speaking this hour. >> back to stormy daniels, on "the view" just moments ago. real legal implications as we watch what is a tabloid story. >> tucker: reality-based, the only one. of course, msnbc fell into a state of awe. watch. >> let's get right to the scandal. president trump just can't seem to shake it. stormy daniels on national television this morning. >> stormy daniels, first live interview, appearing on "the view" only moments ago with a new revelation. >> if i needed someone to get me media attention, -- >> he has a lot to say but at

some point, something has got to come of it. that's a lot. >> tucker: do you really think if you did a segment like that every day for a week, you would reassess maybe this was the job for you? maybe you should sell insurance. things were a great night. sean hannity right now. >> sean: tucker, you can't make this stuff up. my opening monologue in just a few minutes. first, we have sad news to report tonight. former first lady barbara bush died earlier this evening at the age of 92. for the very latest, we go to casey stegall standing by. >> hey, sean. good evening to you. we are outside of the front gates of the bush family neighborhood. we have not seen any activity since this announcement came down. it's right here in a very elite part of west houston, only about 20 or 30 homes or so back in the neighborhood. as you know, this is extremely private and these a