united states presidents, barbara bush. >> tucker: former first lady >> tucker: this is tucker carlson in washington. former first lady barbara bush has died today at the age of 92. she decided to forgo further treatment for her health. mrs. bush was one of only two women in american history to find herself both the wife of the president and the mother of another president.f there was much triumph in her life but there was also tragedy. she had six children including a daughter, robin, who died of leukemia at the age of three, more than 60 years ago. for the rest of her life, the memory made her cry. other than that, barbara bush was not one for weeping in public. she was a lifelong advocate of good taste and self-restraint. brit hume knew her well for many years. 38 years, and he joins us tonight.

brit, what did you make of barbara bush? >> she was a woman of enormous character. she adored her husband and i always had this sense in seeing them together that she never could quite get enough of him, that he was such a gregarious man, he had so many friends and people liked him and he liked people and there was never quite enough of him to go around as far as she was concerned. of course, as was mentioned in bill clinton's statement we just saw on the air a few minutes ago, she was a fierce person. this was not a mellow first lady, this was a woman of strong views and yet, she managed, for all that, to not really ever be a controversial first lady. she just wasn't. i think it's because people sawy her character and admired her and she was indeed admirable. >> tucker: looking at the tape of her on the screen, you really know how much america has changed and how she was representative of a country and values that aren't as common as they once were.

maybe they have disappeared. she was, as you say, famous without being controversial. how did she pull that off? >> it was obvious to people who saw her and heard her speak and watched the way she behaved, she behaved with a certain dignity and grace befitting the wife of a prominent figure, the wife of a president, later the mother of a president, so she had that quality which i think people respected and she also had an obvious goodwill. i think that shone through in a way that was unmistakable. people saw those things in her and she never struck a false note. there was a moment during the 1988 campaign when geraldine ferraro, excuse me, i guess it was during the 1984 campaign when her husband had debated

geraldine ferarro against walter mondale and she said that geraldine ferraro came across as somebody who could be rhyming with rich. that was immediately taken to mean "bitch," but she meant witch. people quickly forgave her for that, and she went on to becomee well-liked and popular. you never had the feeling aboute her that if you had your shirt untucked or you were a little out of order that she wouldn't notice. i remember being at a state dinner, the custom as always if you are a member of the white house press corps, there's a certain number of tickets and i got to go to one at one time and my dinner partner was a retired tennis pro who was a front of the bush family and she mihad on this very short gold evening dress and word reached me pretty quickly that mrs. bush was not amused by the dress.

me, i thought it was wonderful. >> tucker: her son would go on at some length about what a ferocious figure she was and you knew her in washington, covering the family in florida and also in maine, you spent a lot of time around different parts ofor the bush family. she was at the center of it, kind of a remarkable family. what was her role in the family? >> obviously, she's the matriarch because she is the mother, the grandmother, the wife of the president. she was strong, not mellow in the that way her husband was. if those boys and their sister growing up stepped out of line, it was pretty clear who they were more afraid of. she was starchy, dignified,

aristocratic, new england, all those things. people lovedin her. you could say in this political atmosphere when everyone is supposed to be egalitarian, they loved her in spite of it but i would like to think they loved her because of it. >> tucker: you wonder if there's a space for someone like that in modern american life. >> i think so. if you behave with grace and dignity and decorum and obvious goodwill, people will respect that. she also had that countenance with the white hair which she had from quite a young age, i guess it was her husband who dubbed her "the silver fox." she was known to many people by that. she lived that part. she was quite a figure. she's a real loss to the country and i can only think about how her husband must be feeling tonight because they were so close, tucker. i didn't see a lot of them in recent years, but when they were together, they were always holding hands.

she had portable oxygen the last several times i saw her, she was getting around as best she could and of course, he's quite ill and is believed by the family to be in the latter stages of his life.el i don't know if it was anticipated by many people outside the family that she would predecease him as has now happened, but i can only imagine the sense of loss he's feeling tonight. all of our hearts go out to him and the rest of the bush familyt a great lady has died. >> tucker: we're looking at pictures outside of the bushpi family home outside in texas. we just saw barbara bush with her famous springer spaniel. she was a great lover of springer spaniels. one of the great things about her or anyone, but i have to say she was with her husband all the time, she traveled with him. she was the head, not just have a family, but of a very political family. what was her political sensibility? she must of had a sense of it being around her whole life.

>> i don't think there's much doubt about that. she had a pet issue, literacy, she had a number of causes she supported, literacy was the one that was most conspicuous and i went to be the emcee at the 75th anniversary of pearl harbor a year ago last december and that was at the bush library, bush 41 library in texas, and the first night we were there, she was not there because she was away at a literacy event with her son neil. there was a cause that she never lost sight of. by the time i saw her there, the springer spaniels were out of the picture and she had a couple of little dogs that went with her wherever she would go. you could always tell whenen she would come into a room because she was preceded by the dogs and they kept on eye on things. she liked that. she liked that. >> tucker: our dogs get smaller as we age, i notice that.

that was a wonderful summation of an amazing life and i appreciate it. sg >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: george hw bush's chief of staff and a central life and he joins us tonight with his memories. governor, thanks a lot forus coming on. what are your memories of barbara bush? >> she was a great lady and a great friend. it's obviously a great loss. it's amazing how she was the rock of that family and they all acknowledge it. she held all the pieces together. when i was in the white house, i was fortunate enough to have a great relationship with her. we developed a good relationship in the '88 campaign and she could see through people. she could sense the real people from the phonies and i think she sensed that i really had a the president's back so we got along really, really well.ea it made my life easy.

>> tucker: it was important to get along with her then. >> boy, it certainly was. the family knew that more than anyone else. her son, the president, 43rd president used to talk about her a lot with aha mixture of what sounded like love, honor, and may be a little of fear.nd warranted? >> he called her the enforcer. >> tucker: exactly. >> she really was anr. exceptiol person. she didn't try to be seen all around the white house, but you knew whenever the president had a tough decision, the person that got his ear last and made the biggest impact was barbara bush and she made a big, big impact that way. >> tucker: i want to put up on the screen the statement we just received from the president 43 george w. bush. "my dear mother has passed at age 92. laura, barbara, jenna, and i are

sad, but our souls are settled.e barbara bush was a fabulous first lady and a woman unlike any other who brought levity, love, and literacy to millions. mom kept us on our toes and kept us laughing until the end. i'm a lucky man that barbara burgess was my mother. my family will miss her dearly and we thank you all for your prayers and good wishes." you are right at the center of this. how did barbara bush manager be as famous as she was, and she was pretty famous for a first lady, and yet, pretty widely liked on a bipartisan level. shee was never controversial as others have been. how did she do it? >> you put your finger on it. she tried to make sure she was not controversial or divisive. she was clear in her opinions, people knew where she stood, she didn't straddle anything when people appreciated the fact

that what you saw was what youou got. i was lucky enough to have a quiet dinner with the president and mrs. bush last month, we went down and did an event at the bush library and the president and mrs. bush asked us up into the apartment they have there. and she looked a little extra frail but, you know, even in the condition that we now know she was in, it was a fun dinner. we talked about old times, we reminisced, we left a littlesc bit.al we talked about what was going on. she never let her personal situation impact the quality of the interaction she had with people. >> tucker:r: she just lived through relief the whole span of modern american history. 92 years. born before the great depression, and a world that no longer exists, she passes in thepa middle of a word that is becoming something completely different. i wonder how she responded to that. what did you make of it? >> tucker, she not only lived

through it, she helped shape it. i think she was very aware of what a crucial time that she and the president spent in the white house.nt that was really a hinge point, post-world war ii, the catalyst had been set for the collapse of the soviet union with ronald reagan's buildup of u.s. defense, but george w. bush was the one that really had the very delicate diplomatic skills to pull it off as d a smoothly s it was pulled off. collapse of the soviet union and the reunification of germany. and she waseu a very active part of that whole process. her relationship with mrs. mrs. gorbachev was important in her relationship with the other major nations around the world was part of catalyzing that very personal relationship that george bush developed. it was his personal relationship to a great extent that allow that process to work so

smoothly. she was a very important part of that. >> tucker: governor, head of another famous political family, thank you very much. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: our friend worked as a staffer in the george w. bush white house. he and barbara brush -- he knewa bush for decades. he joins us now. what are your memories of barbara bush? >> barbara bush was the scene behind the camera as she was in front of the camera. always interested in others, always caring for others. the consummate second and first lady of the united states. family counted more than anything, both in her own family and her political family, and for family of america. what made her most notably was literacy, both here in america and across the globe. believing that every worth of every person can be found in their ability to learn and read. i was struck by the fact of how

caring she was and how devoted she was, not only to her husband and her family, but the nation. she was the consummate first lady. >> tucker: unlike the first ladies she replaced, there really was no mixed response to her. there wasxe no large group of people against barbara bush that i noticed. were you afraid of her? >> you know, you had to be a little bit afraid of her because mrs. bush was like your mom. she scolded you when you are doing something bad, crazy when you are doing something good. i have a w quick story. i was a young person and i was running around the hotel and i was meeting the presidentsi and the first lady in the elevator to go to the u.n. and i forgot my raincoat, it was raining cats and dogs in new york. the president asked me and said, where is my raincoat? i said i didn't have time to get

it. that is not a real smart thing to do. you need to go back to your room and get it and the president and i will wait in the car. 40 cars idling while brad went to go get his raincoat because mrs. bush said i was dumb. i got it and it reminded me how smart i was when i had it on. >> tucker: that is a mother of six right there. brad, thank you for that. >> pleasure. >> tucker: our friend dana perino was the press secretary in the george w. bush administration enjoined just tonight. dana, thank you for coming on. how would you some of the life of barbara bush? >> address one of great consequence. she lived a long life, 92 years. most of it in pretty good healt health. she was loved by her family and by the rest of the world really, the investor for the u.k., who was on with martha, she was lovd

around the world, she made quitn history. tucker, i want to to hear something that i think that you, as a father, might have even recognized in her. if i could reiterate it. one of the things that she and george h.w. bush did in raising their children is that they were determined to make sure that everyone knew that they were loved unconditionally. and george w. bush, after he left the presidency and wrote his memoirs, "decision point," he really took a lot of time in that book to explain how important that was to his future because you knew then that you could take risks. you knew that you could try something new, do whatever you wanted to do, because if it didn't work out, your family was going to be there. i thought it was an interesting parenting lesson for me to

understand and try to pass on because if you look at what they were able to do in raising this amazing family that is dedicated to public service and also has capped some humility and humor about them, i really do think that her influence was what drove all of that. >> tucker: i believe it. one of the ascetics the experiences of her life was losing her daughter, robin, the one thing that made her cry when she thought about it. i'll fifth met, she had this kind of remarkable self-control coming out in a bad way, but as a matter of cultural course. she felt it was her duty to keep yourself under control in public. i wonder if you will ever see that again. will we ever have another first lady like that? i'm serious. it was a specific kind of american-style and now it's gone. it's interesting. >> yeah, there's a lot to be said about dignity, grace, and again,n, humility and a sense of

humor. i remember when i spoke on behalf of president bush, if i ever had something snarky that i wanted to say, something really sarcastic that would have been a great zinger, a really good line to quote, but if i thought that you might be watching, i would swallow my words. it wasn't worth her not being proud of us. it was really special to know her. she touched a lot of lives. i'm not saying that i'm any more special than anyone else. i'm not. but she and i bonded over the fact that she knew i was going to be loyal to her son as the pressya secretary. she was also a lot of fun. i do remember one time my husband and i got to meet them in maine -- i'm sorry, it was in

houston. we were talking about the importance of thank you notes, also sort of an old-fashioned thing, but a tradition that i think should continue, i'm sure you do too, tucker. and peter came back and he wrote a spank dumb i think you know it. i'd been traveling, and he didn't have it, it was about two and half weeks after our first meeting.ft we saw her not long after that, and the first thing she said to peter was, that was the longest time i have ever had to wait for a thank you note. and she said it with a twinkle in her eye. it was one of those things that you did not want to disappoint barbara bush. >> tucker: i had that experience. i was in a public place with her once, in a gym, i ran into my own wife and kissed her a little bit too enthusiastically in the gym and barbara bush gave me this look like, none of that in public. [laughs] i sort of appreciated that. dana perino, thank you very much. >> you are so welcome. thanks, tucker, for all of this

coverage. y >> tucker: bill bennett, of course, served as the secretary of education, probably the most consequential of famous secretary of education we ever had under president ronald reagan. he wasls director of the officef national drug control, the drug czar under george h.w. bush and he joins us. thank you for coming on. >> you but you, tucker. i got some different stuff forot you. bearing, grace, dignity, class. i think melania come by the way, has a lot of class and dignity,i think she is showing a lot. b my feelings with barbara bush were a little different. we used to fight a lot, argue a lot. she was very feisty and very funny. before i tell you a story, you'll love this, she stood on stage in a downtown washington hotel, giving awards out to 400 inner-city girls and my wife's best friends program, three and a half hours on her feet, never

said a word, never objected, that's the kind of lady she was, and wrote about that program in the book. but she and i clashed. we talked about her interest in literacy, adult literacy. she and i took a trip to kentucky together, a place where a lot of adult literacy programs were going on.re on the way back, she said, you were very polite but you don't fully approve of this, do you? you know the way she spoke, and that kind of way, wonderful.on i said, no, i fully approve of adult literacy, i just think we should get it right the first time, you know? that is what schools are for. you understand the job i used to have. so we kidded about that. another time, if i may, the president had a big conference insv charlottesville, you may remember this, though you were a child i think, on education. all the governors. bill clintonir was chairman of e national guard, president trump was the president. celebrating common themes, common unity.

i was interviewed after the meeting by cbs and i kind of trashed it. i said, we had a lot of republican, democrats, a lot of stuff. i got word from the white house the president was not pleased. the next morning, i had a meeting at the white house with the president and the president of columbia on drug policy. as a round of the turn on the white house to see the president, the first lady was there and before i could say hello, she punched me in the stomach. she said, why did you have to rein on that parade? what is wrong with you? that's the kind of girl we are talking about. >> tucker: [laughs] i love that. >>uc don't you love that. >> tucker:ul not so easy to get the houseful of kids under control. you kind of have to be that way. her mothering style, parenting style, the style of how she ran her house, was obvious in all of her children, it seems to me. >> you know, my wife took our

youngest son, joe, to the easter egg roll, two years old or something, he had all this sugar, and she held him up for barbara toto approve of and just as she did, he threw up. he just tossed his cookies, totally. you are the father of many people, this happened. ellie and pulled the back as to not getrs stuff on mrs. bush. she said, oh, dear, that never happens, i have never, ever seen it in my life. she was so, so cool. it was very cool. >> tucker: bill bennett, thank you. mr. secretary, i appreciate it., >> thanks, tucker. thanks for letting me be a part of this. >> tucker: coverage of of the passing of barbara bush continues tonight. we also have other news. everyone in washington is obsessed with confronting russia. we'll be putting millions of lives at risk in the process. that story is next.

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election, the political establishment wasn't completely out of touch with voters, and the media wasn't wrong about everything, nope, putin did it. it's his fault. it all began as a psychological exercise, a way on ruling class to feel better about itself in the face of humiliating loss. from f there, the russia story became a handy way to hamstring a young and disorganized administration. as donald trump spent a single day in office not responding to this ludicrous conspiracy theory? probably not. that was by design. it is contemptible and dishonest with the looming question is, as all of us becoming dangerous to the rest of us? russia is not a cnn topic. not just a script on msnbc. it's an actual country with borders and millions of people and one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world. you would think when we tread carefully when i came down to it because there's no advantage in exacerbating a rivalry with russia pointlessly. there is an obvious downside to

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what is america's national interest in confronting russia and the way that we are? >> i will answer that with a question and then more of an answer. as donald trump acting like an innocent person as a regard to russia? >> tucker: let me ask you a question. you will realize how profoundly the trump administration has dee of his opponents? people who decried mccarthyism for 50 years are now engaging in it with no self-awareness. they are accusing people of betraying their country simply because they are not saying the right things, aren't announcing our enemies vigorously enough. do you recognize that? >> trey gowdy, the republican committee chairman, is the person who says -- >> tucker: i don't care what any republican said. i'm asking at as a citizen, whs the point of all this? >> as regards to syria, we are dealing with a war criminal, who

if left uncontained, will do more of what he has done already -- >> tucker: do what? >> he is empowering others like him to say, the u.s. is backtracking from what it has done historically, which is take on war criminals, milosevic, et cetera. everyam war criminal is saying i can get away with this. >> tucker: we have war criminals in our own hemisphere. venezuela has collapsed. mexico has a drug war that has killed more people than we lost in vietnam. the world in our hemisphere, our neighbors, continuous countries, are collapsing. we are ignoring that for the sake of some weird war in syria 6,000 miles from here. does this seem a little off to you? >> as i said to you before, because we can't deal with every incidence of war criminalization doesn't mean we have to back away -- >> tucker: why wouldn't we deal with nicolas maduro and venezuela? he destroyed a first world

country, almost first world country. >> the middle east is seen as more of a tinderbox. >> tucker: why should i, as a taxpayer and the father of a son, a draft agent sound, feel like this is helping my country, why people? what is this about? what's's in it for us? >> there's no draft so your son is at have to worry about it. >> tucker: it could be out of control. we are getting to the brink. >> i would take issue with us. that is typing something and i think your viewers shouldn't buy into this that we are in this precipice of being in a shooting war with russia directly. as regards to why we should concern ourselves with where the connection is, i think they are totally connected. you talku about the fantasy of collusion, let me tell you in ten seconds, russia offered help, donald junior "love it, we'll take it," the russians gave health, wikileaks, donald trump used at a 100 times in the campaign trail. i'm sorry if that seems like

insanity to you. it's very real. >> tucker: i'm sorry for hyping the third of russia. i didn't mean to do that. i was just listening to eric swalwell, democrat of california, adam schiff, unprecedented attack of us. we are on attack, said senator ben cardin of maryland. democrats for over a year have told us we are at war with russia. this is insane. now we are moving toward a shooting war with russia and they are still saying this. >> was not insane its wrinkly characterization, which i think dick cheney, not a left-wing loonie, characterized it as well. all of these attacks of russia to undermine her democracy were the equivalent of an act of war, to undermine the integrity of our society. >> tucker: now you are quoting dick cheney. if you really believe that the president likely colluded, we are at war, then why would you be against a shooting work? you are in favor of the lunacy in syria where we are taking on a war criminal, as you said.

that could easily escalate in ways i don't need to explain because they are so obvious into an actual shooting war. we've already killed hundreds of them. pompeo was bragging about it. why are you against that? >> i have zero confidence in donald trump's judgment to basically run the country in a shooting war with russia. you might have some, i -- >> tucker: why are you and other liberals, bill kristol, nikki haley, although left in washington, pushing trump into war with russia? >> are we talking wag the dog? unless trump has information from his military that a certain action is called for, the notion that somehow he is responding to political impulses from left or right or what have you, to move into syria or to take on the russians militarily, that is incompetent. that is the dereliction of duty. >> tucker: you're pushing him. you are doing it on this show, your allies are doing it on on.

why are you guys doing that? >> i don't think they are talking about fighting in syria anymore than we fought in coast of and bosnia. we bombed, we degraded -- >> we had thousands of troops there. we tried to pull them out and everyone on the left yelped. >> that is different from a full-fledged war taking over the country. >> tucker: hundreds of russians have died. >> there's a big difference between degrading assad on getting into a full-fledged war. >> tucker: i hope you are right. republican congressman is maneuvering for a vote that could result in an amnesty for millions of people here illegally. that congressman joins us next. ♪ how do you win at business? stay at la quinta. where we're changing with stylish make-overs.

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forced the house to vote on immigration proposals. they would provide amnesty's are so-called dreamers getting immigration concessions in return. is it a good idea? congressman, thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: there are so many things going on in california, and follow it closely, it's our biggest date. it's worth watching. the state is falling apart. why the concern of foreign citizens, citizens of other countries, take precedence over the concern of the people in california? >> which i wouldn't prioritize one or the other. we've got to get results. it's a national issue. we have control of the house, senate, and presidency. we are elected to lead. a reporter is not secure. we have a million immigrants that come here every year and another half a million men come across the southern border. resolution, have a

i like to see the president get the funding that he needs for the wall, for border security.he we got to make sure that we don't have the backlogs in the court where we have unaccompanied minors that end up throughout the country without a court date or showing backup. we have to have a resolution on the border, as well as our dreamers that have graduated in ourrd high schools come out thee in the workforce. >> tucker: i feel sorry for a lot of them. i am not against them personally. when i compare their interests of citizens of foreign countries, against those of native californians, it's not even close. s why would you say, we are not doing anything, actually, until you've built an impenetrable board or wall or something that gives us complete control over who comes here and who doesn't? >> we've got to do both at the same time. for us to pass something through a republican-controlled house and senate, we have to give the american public a guarantee, i guarantee we will secure the border, i guarantee we will

solve this issue with the courts.is ultimately, i think that we have to have certainty for our dreamers. this will give them an opportunity to come out of the shadows, pay a fine, a fee come pass a background check, create a safer community, these are individuals, 90% of them have jobs today. some are going to school, some are serving in the military. >> tucker: when you think of all the unemployed people in california, african-american unemployment is really high, why would i spend a single second worrying about the drop of a foreign citizen over the drop of an american? like, why would i want to give erin a foreign citizen over a job? >> first of all it is tax day. there will be more jobs. i think we have to know who is taking those jobs. americans first. we need to make sure we have an e-verify system, a system that will show employers and the country what jobs t are availabe but ultimately every industrialized nation has a

guest worker program that allows immigrants to work in manufacturing or farming. canada has one. >> tucker: at least we are in charge of that. 15 million people here illegally. no republican, other than steve king, is, extinguishers and anybody back really. let's -- >> where do you send them to? >> tucker: i'm talking about the 15 million people in this country illegally. republicans, they are lying to their voters. they will never build meaningful border control. they will never send anybody back. they've given in on the basic assumptions of the left, everyone that is here can stay and become a citizen and vote. you don't think so? >> we've made great strides along the border. it's not enough. there are still areas that are totally insecure, you see a lot of people comingg across. we can do a much better job for job. certainly we have a president that wants to focus on that, campaigned on the issue. we had to give him the resources to get it done. >> tucker: why did the last

budget provide more money for border security and t foreign countries in our country? >> i think we've got to pass an overall border security bill. >> tucker: we just voted. you guys just voted on it. >> i didn't vote for it. >> tucker: amen. good for you for not voting for that atrocity. the republican leadership signed off on it and it literally gave more money for border security in foreign nations across the seas than it did for us. >> this seems to be a priority for both parties. it's up to the pointing that under the previous administration, every democrat in the house, every democrat of the senate, signed on to the bill that came out of the senate that had $42 billion reporter security. now this has become a political hot potato to not even give this president and a 25 billion that i think both parties recognize the fact that he will spend it, build it, and bolted quickly and effectively. it has to be part of any solution we have. >> tucker: this is what people voted for. it's a democracy. thank you so much for coming on.

america is bombing syria over an assumed chemical attack. do we know who was behind that attack? is there anything wrong with asking? also, stay with fox for continuing coverage of the passing of the former first lady of the united states, barbara bush. it will be back. ac

♪ >> tucker: on friday as you know we launched a bunch of missiles in syria. we still have a number of troops on the ground there. the question is why. what is this about? the story is that the assad

government used chemical weapons against its civilians. it does seem odd. assad's group was on the brink of victory, why would he do that? senator rand paul made the same observation. watch. >> i think this is a real question, and i think that assad isis either but i must dictatorn the planet or he didn't do it. do you think about it, they have been winning the war for over a year. the only thing that galvanizes world opposition to the assad regime, is the use of chemical weapons. >> tucker: what do we really know about this? what questions should we be asking? what questions should we be allowed to ask without being attacked as foreign agents? her forward as the former british ambassador to syria. he works for a group as described as pro-assad, though he can describe it himself, and he joins us now. thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: since you do know a lot about syria, and you are a

fluent arabic speaker and you follow this carefully, what do we know? what does your government know, what does our government now, about the genesis of this chemical attack? >> it's not certain by any means that it was a chemical attack. there are reports from western journalists who were in douma, reporting that they could find no folks that could confirm there was a chemical attack. they went to the hospital where there was videos filmed and they spoke to doctors, their main doctors of us can recheck, who said there was no chemical attack. what there was was an ordinary bomb attack that had people screaming into the hospital with smoke inhalation problems and what happened then was that the white helmets, the jihadi

medical exhilarating's, started shouting gas, caused panic, everybody went into gas mode. they started with the hoses and the inhalers. meanwhile, it was all being carefully videoed andd put out y rich arab country propagandists. there is a distinct possibility that we have been diluted. that we've been suckered. i think the president's advisors have served him extremely badly. they've not been asking the hard questions, like, who are the white helmets? was the president told that these w are the people who have helped in beheadings? who have literally been picking up the pieces of these? the people that he thinks would be good witnesses? >> tucker: i met a bit of a disadvantage, i'm not an arabic speaker. i don't't really know what happened. ii have no idea. here's what i do know, though,

before you launch a new kind of attack, you need to explain to your population while you are doing it in your explanation has to hold water because this is a democracy after all. what do you think -- in either government, no government involved father to do that. if you could quickly sum it up, the point of this is? what is the actual point of thi this? >> i don't think it has any real point. the action was futile, even though the sites that were bomb had been inspected as recently as november by these international inspectors who are there now. the president's advisors, do they tell him they had been inspected recently and given the all clear? i suspect the president has not been given the facts and that he has been led into error by advisors who have been extremely gullible and haven't carried out their intelligence workou properly. this has all the hallmarks of an

intelligence fiasco. >> tucker: yes, it does. those don't, tend to go away. they linger. when you mislead the public, they don't forget it. ambassador, thank you for their perspective on that. i appreciate it. >> you're welcome. >> tucker:r: the media went completely bonkers over the stormy daniels appearance on "the view." we have some tape format and we will sum it up for you when we come back. ♪ rward, but my student loans are going nowhere. it'll take me 20 years to pay them off, but i finally found a way to pay them off sooner, and save money by refinancing with sofi. sofi has helped over 200,000 people get ahead of their debt, and they can help you move forward too. see how much you can save in just two minutes at sofi.com/sooner and i'm terry ware. and this is our sears hometown store.

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"tonight on "the view" == watch this. >> stormy daniels speaking out today on the talk show "the view." >> breaking news coming in, stormy daniels will be speaking this hour. she is speaking, has spoken. >> back to stormy daniels, on "the view" just moments ago. real legal implications as we watch what is a tabloid story. >> tucker: reality-based, the only one. of course, msnbc fell into a state of awe. watch. >> let's get right to the scandal that president trump just can't seem to shake. porn star stormy daniels on national television this morning. >> stormy daniels, first live interview, appearing on "the view" only moments ago with a new revelation. >> if i needed someone to get me media attention --it >> he has a lot to say but at some point, something has got to come of it.

that's a lot. >> tucker: do you really think if you did a segment like that every day for a week, you would weather reassess maybe this was the job for you? maybe you should sell insurance. things were a great night. sean hannity right now. >> sean: tucker, you can't make this stuff up. my opening monologue in just a few minutes. but first, we have sad news to report tonight. former first lady barbara bush died earlier this evening at the age of 92. for the very latest, we go to casey stegall standing by. casey.se >> hey, sean. good evening to you. we are outside of the front gates of the bush family neighborhood. we have not seen any activity since this announcement camene down. it's right here in a very elite part of west houston, only about 20 or 30 homes or so back in the neighborhood. as you know, this is extremely private and these affairs are choreographed to a tee, months