>> martha: today is world malaria day. malaria deaths are down by half. go to malarianomore.org. tucker carlson is next. >> tucker: all of a sudden out of nowhere, kanye west says the mob can't make him not love donald trump. what's going on in this country? is it a realignment or something more? good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. we want to start with joey reed. you may not know who she is. she's an icon on the progressive left. there is not single fashionable opinion that she doesn't have. she's a total start in brooklyn.

back in 2006, she said it like a very different person. on her blog at the time, she opposed gay marriage. when the posts were discovered, she had a couple of options. she could have just apologized. people change their opinions over time and good for them, why wouldn't they? america has changed, is changing. the honest explanation would be just fine. that's not what she did. she claimed she never wrote those posts in the first place. sinister agents somehow broke into her blog retroactively. it sounds like an msnbc segment. part of what they run every night. she said it was part of a disinformation campaign waged by shadowy forces. that was her explanation. it was a total crock and we know

because her blog posts were archived by other websites including congress in washington all the way back to 2006. that means in order for her claims to be true, which they are not, the secret hacking plot must have begun at least 12 years ago before anyone knew or cared who joy reid was. that's alive, it's a childish live. you would have to be a moron to believe it. yet she's telling it. here's the interesting part. nbc news is endorsing all of this as true and trying to convince other people it's true. yesterday the network of circulated a vague report by an extremely odd person called jonathan nichols who said he is an independent security consultant in which he affirms her ludicrous fantasy. obviously he offers no evidence. keep in mind that ed bc which is passing this out to other news organizations claims itself to be a news organization. news organizations are not supposed to live. that's rule one.

that nbc executives make a habit of lying. they lied about the access hollywood tape a couple of years ago. that tape was leaked by nbc to "the washington post" ." the goal in that leak was to help hillary clinton just two days before a presidential debate and it helped. nbc later promised to reveal how that tape was leaked, but of course we haven't heard because they never told us. they lied. you're still lying about that. nbc also lied when it ran interference for harvey weinstein over a long period. you remember that the investigation into harvey weinstein was killed. he had the goods, get nbc claims that pharaoh hadn't narrowed down the story. nbc said it wasn't ready yet, another lie. now nbc is helping joey read life once again and almost nobody else in the media is saying anything about it except michael brown. he is a columnist at "the boston globe" and he joins

us now to talk about what's going on. i went to be completely clear. i'm okay with people changing their views. my views on almost everything have changed. i don't think there's a saying in that. why would nbc endorse and ratify and disseminate what is it so clearly a false explanation from joey reed? >> maybe they're just suckers. they fell for the russia gate story. there's -- they know nothing about how the internet works apparently. i think what hillary clinton said she claimed her server with a cloth, they said okay, maybe that's it. you make a very good point. there's something odd about the willingness of nbc to standby a story that is so ludicrous, it reminds me of a time in the past when another network stood behind dan rather and when "the new york times" said that bogus story was fake, but

accurate. what's happened, i think, is there are people who are in the news business, but they're not really in the news business, there in the political advocacy business and joy reid is an amazing political advocate. she has a lot of fans, she is very powerful. i want to read a tweet, i don't want to get the words wrong. this is from a clinton staffer who tweeted out today and unblocked me, make sure you are evaluating this situation through an intersectional lens. she's one of the most important black female voices on tv. thanks. she's lying. obviously, nobody wins in a way back machine to 2006 and said one day, i know this person will be on cable tv. it's nonsense. is it really so bad?

>> tucker: they went to the boss and said let's make a patently ludicrous why that's untrue. the boss would say how about not? why not just say you did it, admit it and most fair-minded people will forgive you and move on. why would nbc further postmerger itself by tying itself to something so obviously false and stupid? >> because there's a hard-core group of people who tune in, so it's like bonus revenue and they are there once again, not for news, they are there for their biases to be affirmed. my twitter feed today was full of people who said i am gay, i'm liberal, she hates trump. she's really good at hitting trump. if you hate him enough, you can do whatever you want and all sins will be forgiven. >> tucker: to put it mildly,

she's attacked me, i think she's our race baiter, but i would have given any honest person a pass. i shouldn't tell our viewers, "the daily beast" which is an online blog has announced it's putting a pause on her columns. apparently -- things were joining us. 1 of the country's top left think tanks spent years protecting harassers while retaliating against their victims. according to documents obtained by bus feed, 19 current and former staffers claimed they were victims of sexual harassment. tammy bruce joins us tonight. great to see you. what i found so striking about this is that a very outspoken feminist and a hard partisan

kind of ignored at least from this account these claims of sexual harassment. i thought she would be exquisitely sensitive to these claims, but no. >> this bubbled over into 2016 and that was an election year and i enjoyed your segment previously that just came up in the sense that this intersection analogy. when i was on the left, my first book which came out all the way back in 2001 was about how racism, sexism, and homophobia live on the left. their argument always is if we face this or it becomes public or if we act on it, it will harm the larger picture. it will harm our goals, our narratives, all the good work we do in the world. we saw this in hollywood that if you say no or if you push back,

they are silenced. it becomes a habit after a period of time and of course, it was the election year. they were accusing president trump of all kinds of things. wouldn't it be embarrassing if it came out that in fact, they had had and were dealing with sexual harassment. we learned that she protected and moved to the victim into a different job. up to this moment right now and interestingly enough, they still point a finger at donald trump. >> tucker: why do people proceed with that knowledge? i'm screwed up before a judge, keep that in mind. i think a lot of people, the activists on the left kind of perceive and the certainty that they were morally superior.

no evidence changes their mind about that. >> it's narcissism and it becomes an x essential issue. they can't admit it because their identity is based in being superior. one that is threatened, then it ruins their entire foundation. for the left, the user to manipulate people. if you're a woman, they are your champions. those other people, they want to get rid of you. the heartbreaking reality is for me as a feminist, the damage has been done by those people who are saying they are our champions while they continue to try to besmirch the people whose policies, president trump's policies, the conservative policies that allow individuals to be personally empowered and individually free and financially independent, those of the people that get

besmirched. those of the policies that improve people's lives. >> tucker: you are not your average tv person. i appreciate that. this is amazing, kanye twitter articulated his support for president trump. one of his tweets, he's still tweeting. you don't have to agree with trump come up with the mob cannot make me not love him. we are both dragon energy, he is my brother. i live everyone, i don't agree with everything anyone does. that's what makes us individuals. we have a right to independent thought. the president respond to this by tweeting thank you, very cool. after the tweets, his twitter following a plunged, i think this is right, by more than 9 million followers. what do we make of all of this? jason we like is an anchor with a fox sports ohio one and he joins us tonight. i'm not sure i understand exactly what's going on here. it seems to me that kanye west

decided that he is allowed as a citizen of a free country to say what he wants to say. what you are on this? >> i think he wrote it because it's what he authentically believes and i think he is probably trying to inspire african-americans to have a more open mind about politics and to be less demonizing politics. i think he's being true to himself and trying to open african-americans minds that in all things, competition is good. my background is forced and competition is what takes you to an entire level. there's no competition for the black vote right now. there has been on for 50 or 60 years. i think we should look around as

other ethnic groups and groups of people. they make people can pete for their vote and politics tend to help them and move them forward while we are not the same thing. >> tucker: any group that feels under attack can retreat into a defensive posture. you see this and other groups, but i agree it's not helpful. what's the risk that you run in saying this? even for a famous guy like kanye west, it seems like position to take. will he not be punished for this? >> he's going to be punished over social media and it does not surprise me that he has lost a bunch of twitter followers. months of social media is rigged and if you stray particularly as an african-american from the talking points that the far left wing side wants you to come out there going to attract -- he's a

freethinker, he always has been. his music has always been open to a lot of different interpretation and ideas. he's being consistent and true to himself and trying to inspire people. >> tucker: he didn't lose 9 million followers, apparently i don't understand it, but you are hearing people say he must have a mental illness. what do you think of that explanation? >> i think it's ridiculous and again, it goes to us as african-americans and social media has so convinced us that liberal means full black and conservative means antiblack and that's how we interpret things. he has said things that are conservative or any conservative values that he is expressed support for candace owens over

social media and we've been trained that that means antiblack. again, if we just look critically, that's just not the case. martin luther king was a very conservative with his values. the entire movement was very conservative, but somehow we changed that and you would think it was the most far left wing movement in the world and that's how they got here from liberalism. again, i'm not a political partisan. i don't pretend to be. i'm a journalist and an observer. observing and speaking as a journalist and not an african-american, our strategy is flawed by just giving away our allegiance to one side. i think kanye out of concern for african-americans is trying to say this is a flawed strategy

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d.c., it may have looked over massive money laundering situation. individuals can democrats may have abated the limits going around to state-level democratic parties and then directly funneling the cash to the clinton campaign. if that's true, -- if this is true, is it a crime? >> yes, it's true and yes, it is a crime. essentially what they did was they took a perfectly legal apparatus which is a joint fund-raising committee in this case, called the hillary victory committee and participating in that for the dnc, the hillary clinton campaign and state parties. what they did that is wrong is

that they used the higher limit of the dnc and all these state party committees to be able to funnel money back through the dnc, which was controlled by the hillary clinton campaign. you and i talked about this last fall, november, december, something like that. what has happened since then is the committee defended the president which is a hybrid pack. their lawyer went to the records and looked at all the reports the dnc had filed, looked at all the reports that hillary clinton campaign filed and what they have discovered by going through all these documents, they are all public records. nothing "the new york times" and "washington post" couldn't get, and they have documented with

pages and pages of spreadsheets showing the transactions. what they would do is they would write a check for $400,000 which was to be split and allocated among the state parties, the clinton campaigns, and the money to the dnc. what would happen, the donation may have been legal, but they pretended to send it to the state democratic party and they didn't and in some cases, there were never any transfers made to the state party. the state party reports show that they never got the money. instead, that money all went -- remember, we talked about this earlier, the dnc bank account moved to the same bank in new york that the hillary clinton campaign had its

bank account and remember also, all this money that was supposed go to state parties never went to the state parties, it went to the doc account in new york which hillary clinton's campaign controlled. that is the part that gets to be illegal. remember this, this is a wrinkle that i don't know we would have paid that much attention to last fall, but the person who negotiated this agreement between the dnc in the hillary clinton campaign was mark elias, the lawyer for the hillary clinton campaign who negotiated with mark elias who was the lawyer for the democratic national committee. it's a really brazen scheme and it's all in the public records. >> tucker: they lost anyway. >> of course, they sued russia

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>> tucker: turns out it's been pretty hard for gun control advocates to change the public's mind on their issue. gun control isn't working and most people know that. now supporters are being personally attacked at home. two weeks ago, nra lobbyist had his house vandalized by anti-gun demonstrators. his wife's businesses was targeted as well. a congressman who represents lincoln, nebraska,'s home was targeted as well. things were coming on. >> pleasure to see you. >> tucker: tell us what happened. >> this happened to me twice. a year ago, i happened to not be home. it was one of those unusual evenings were my wife was away, so one of my older dollars was taking care of the young children. >> tucker: how many children do you have?

>> i have five. there is a vulgar sign in my yard. i live in nebraska. that's the heart of our values. it's not only shocking to me, but it violates the fundamental sensibility that we have and it scared my child. be angry at me, but don't scare my children at my home. christmas morning, i pulled the curtains open, snow was all over the yard, i thought i saw something unusual by my mailbox. again, to more vulgar signs in the yard. i called the police and all of that. that's just what we do. this is a basic violation of a standard. you've got differences, people have a right to write me, protest me if they want, but if you attack and vandalized somebody's home, it really violates a sacred space. >> tucker: especially with your wife and five daughters at home and run a public figure. who did this?

>> on the sign, i don't know if that one has it, it says betsy riot, some kind of cold group in nebraska. i don't know if they're nationwide. it seems to be related to this incident that happened up here in washington and two of the people identified are university of the faculty members which is even more bizarre because they are guardians of the trust to create a university environment which is liberating in pursuit of intellectual truth. it's creative and imaginative. imagine a young person who wants to study egg economics and go back to the farm and help her mother and father expand that and they're probably coming to the university of nebraska and gets faced with this kind of hostility and hate because in the university setting, they are insulated and they're able to impose their ideology among students. it's very jarring to our set of values. again, nebraska is a great place

in the university is generally reflective of that, but there is a group of people who are violating the most basic human standard. >> tucker: why should taxpayers subsidize harassment question >> and all that they should. >> tucker: the public university -- >> i think they should do what they can within the limits of the law to try to stop this vandalism, but there's something deeper. it's an intellectual vandalism if you will, it's robbing the university student experience of the joy of creating imagination and an intellectual environment in which you debate your way through. and try to come to some conclusion for good. when you have a threatening harassing environment, it's being consistent with the trust. >> tucker: that's nicely put because you're not trying to win someone over, you are trying to bully and intimidate someone, you're trying to force someone which is obviously fascist. thank you for coming on.

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>> tucker: higher education in america is crushingly expensive. college tuition rates are rising far higher than family income is. colleges are also monthly chromatic. when they come home, they may learn to hate the values he race them with, the ones you believe in and they will also be addicted to drugs and alcohol. the cost of college are extraordinarily high. it's worth it we tell ourselves for the education. education is key. our kids need to learn. the question is, are they learning? several years ago, a pair of

academic researchers decided to find out. they study data from a group of more than 2,000 students enrolled in four-year colleges who have been tracked over a period of years. the book of results from all this research was called academically addressed. limited learning on college campuses. among its many findings, 45% of students "did not demonstrate any significant improvement in learning over the first two years of college" close to 40 percent didn't learn anything at all over four years. how do students learn so little? many of them never actually studied. 35% of students reported spending no more than five hours a week in academic preparation. overall, the study founded 50% declined -- the average full-time college student now spends only 2.76 hours a day on all education related to activi

activities. multiply this by an entire country and you wind up with a deeply ignorant population. there has been a consistent decline in adult literacy in america over the past 25 years despite the fact that more kids than ever are going to college. two separate studies for the national adult literacy find that graduates fall below proficiency. the majority could not compete domestic complete simple cognitive tasks. 31% of graduates could read and understand a complex book. college graduates show they are far more ignorant than their counterparts in virtually every other nation. in some cases, college graduates in this country got the same test scores as high school graduates in other countries. the educational testing service put -- this is a crisis.

you would think that colleges would respond by increasing academic records. the opposite has happened. the top public universities in america found that only nine schools funded in economics course. only five required a surveys course in american history. as one researcher noted, despite lip service given to all tourism, fewer than half required intermediate study of a foreign language. the number of degrees awarded in women's and gender studies increased by more than 300% since 1990. college classes are getting flimsy year. college graduates are getting dumber, but you would never know it from their grades what you're getting higher. in 1983, the college gpa average was 2.8, it's not over 3.1. it's mostly found in private schools.

in wake forest north carolina, the cumulative gpa for graduating seniors in 1988 was 2.84. in 2014, it was 3.4. nationally, the most common grade given in college courses right now is an a. according to "the new york times," a quarter of all grades given are as. in other words, more students are feeling, yet nobody fails. kids no less, but their teachers assure them they know more. colleges barely teach, but every year they increase their fees. try that and a private business, you might get indicted for fraud. would an american university, and you could billions in taxpayer subsidies. mark roosevelt as the president of st. john's college in santa fe. it's one of the only colleges in north america who is providing a traditional liberal arts education. mark roosevelt joins us today.

thanks for coming on. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: i want to talk to you specifically because i think this is not to promote your school, but i think st. john's is different from most universities. you've got an advantage. looking at the country, how does it happen that when more people are coming to college than ever before, there is a consistent decline in adult literacy? how does that happen? >> first of all, thank you for allowing st. john's to join this conversation. we believe in conversations and civil discourse and that's another thing as you pointed out that unfortunately happens. >> tucker: i agree. >> you noted we were different, we are so different. we may be the most rigorous college in america. our freshman learn ancient greek, our seniors struggle with quantum physics. along the way, they have to take calculus, they have to learn how to do differential equations and they have to study karl marx and

adam smith. we are failing against almost prevailing at -- i agree with what you sow in the beginning is that there has been slippage and rigor, slippage and demands academically made of students. we think that is a mistake. we have no intentions of doing that particular parade in higher education. >> tucker: good for you, maybe i'm misreading this, but as the outcomes decline, become less impressive, kids no less when they graduate, you would think colleges were turning out people who didn't know very much, only 30%. a complex book. maybe we should teach them more. the opposite seems to be happening. why? >> i'm not sure i know the answer to why. the movement towards allowing students to shape their own curriculum and to be able to determine their own education is part of it. a lack of expectations is

another part of it. again, not to return to st. john's, but that's what i know best, our students read 200 books and i mean 200 serious books over the course of their education. in all honesty, we have about 800 students. our students are very -- they know what they're getting into and they know how hard it's going to be. that is a very, very serious challenge. >> tucker: maybe you put your finger on it. what you're offering is a traditional education which would be familiar to a lot of well educated americans. the question is what percentage of the american population is really suited for, interested in, should participate in a liberal arts education? >> i believe there should be a lot of diversity. you talked previously about

career preparation and there is a place for that. there's a place for people who want to get trained to do a job. we know from colleges that only about 20% of students who work on something that they majored in and you may know, we don't have majors at st. john's. we don't think that life breaks down into majors. again, we are just very different. the liberal arts education can be described as very different things in very different places. at st. john's, it's not required. everyone is taking all the same courses and they are all equal rigor and demands. they are very small classes. an average of about 15 students, there is no place for them to hide. the rigor is very real. >> tucker: i hope it stays that way. thanks a lot for joining us. i appreciate it. >> what you are most welcome. >> tucker: a new audiotape

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♪ >> tucker: the nfl suffered a big ratings drop and a loss of public support after dozens of players publicly protested the national anthem. roger caddell said it was somehow wrong to disrespect. now he licked audiotape missing from the agenda, any notion of the leak should stand up for the anthem.

jason, i've only seen "the new york times" version of this, i haven't heard all three hours of tape, obviously. you get a picture from the times story of the group of people pretty out of touch with what's happening in the rest of the country. >> we've got to remember, this is "the new york times" reporting the story. that's a three hour meeting. they have the entire audio tapes. i'm reluctant to rely on "the new york times" representation of what happened because third "new york times" as part of the attack on football. i'm not surprised reading this story that no one looks good, no one looks like they have a real clue about what they should do because i think "the new york times" is invested in tearing down football, the nfl and particular. >> tucker: part of the story describes the story of the miami dolphins, this guy, ross, suggests a march on washington with nfl owners and players. what would that look like?

>> i'm not sure, but in a meeting like this, i don't blame people for spit bowling ideas. as the first time you're having a meeting about this issue. again, i'm a bit sympathetic to nfl owners on this because they have a successful television show that they've been running for 50 or 60 years. they've got a curve ball thrown to them by colin kaepernick. i'm not surprised they didn't know how to handle it and they can't believe the way the media is rigged against them because you can't inject common sense into this discussion. the nfl is a television show. you have a television show. if you've decided i'm going to talk about cooking every day on this show rather than politics, your bosses would have a right to say that's not what we do on our television show. the nfl owners have a right to say on our television show, we are very patriotic, we don't

have protests right before the kick off of our football games. that's not the way we conduct our tv show. our viewers don't want it, the people in the stands don't want it, we get it. you want to talk with these issues, will give you money come out we'll pay you, you can talk about these issues on your time, not during my television show. the media needs to explain that to people. everybody has to abide by rules in television and other important issues. if i worked at the post office, anywhere, there's other rules i have to follow. these players can't make their own rules and anyone who objects is a racist, that's ridiculous. i wish the nfl would take this issue by the horns. football has a great story to tell about its help of african-americans.

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♪ >> tucker: we haven't done the friend zone and a well but we have a lot of friends here at fox. chief among them is ainsley earhardt on "fox & friends" who is here every morning. she has a new memoir out "the light within me." we want to hear what it is. ainsley earhardt joins us. >> thank you for having me on. >> tucker: are you kidding? always pray tell us about your book. >> they approached me about writing a book about my faith. i hear all the time you are not afraid to share your faith.

i said, they wanted me to write a memoir. aren't you 70 years old when you write a memoir? i don't have a light story -- life story. i don't want someone to think that i am so self-righteous that i feel like i have so much life experience. but then they said we want you to focus on your faith. that is like god saying talk about me, and you can't say no to god. so i was really excited about that point. i have journal entries. i have written a journal for years. a lot of my journal entries are in here, things have gone through, ups and downs, how i got to fox news channel. the things that inspired me, my parents. i talk about the death of my grandparents. i lost a baby through a miscarriage. i've had some downs but many more ups. it's just about how god has blessed my life and i can't believe i am this girl from south carolina who is on the national news talking to

tucker carlson. >> tucker: [laughs] oh, that's big. when you write a book, you learn, the process of writing teaches you. what did you learn? stick i learned you can do anything you want to do. i remember when my friend said let's run a half marathon. i said are you kidding? i hate -- can't even run around the block without tasting blood. she said no, we can do it. let's do more of a walk with a little bit of shuffle. i was like, i can do that. so i ran a half marathon. write a book, write a children's book. no, i can't do that. i have two children's books and i have this book. i'm not saying that because i m anything special. my point is you can do anything you would set your mind to and you have to be surrounded with good people. as you know. your staff is amazing. everyone who works at fox behind the scenes, they should get the chlorine, not us. because they do all the hard work. >> tucker: my mom said she got this book delivered by amazon today. i will join her. >> we are interviewing the

president. >> tucker: tomorrow morning. thanks, great to see you. that's it for us tonight. tune in every night at 8:00. at 9:00, sean hannity, from new york city is on. the one i will say hi to both of you. the president is on "fox & friends" tomorrow. i want the big interview. congratulations to both of you. i want to be in the friend zone, tucker. welcome to "hannity." tonight the deep state is crumbly before our eyes. moments ago catherine herridge broke major news. sources claiming fired fbi director james comey may have now in fact leaked his private memos detailing meetings with president trump to multiple individuals. this is a new revelation that could land james comey in serious legal jeopardy. even cnn's chief legal analyst, a liberal, saying the former career bureaucrat could be in major legal trouble. of course this