griff: he's going in. pete: jump! abby: have a good day, everybody we'll see you tomorrow. >> [applause] neil: i would so not do that the caravan has come and fox on top of what that we do now because they are here or mostly here at the san diego border and they want in, but they're not all you think they are. most are not even from mexico but virtually all are seeking asylum here. we're going to go live to the migrants camp and spec to a border agent on what they plan to do when the show down goes down. and then after the korean leader s clearly hit it off one giving president trump the credit for their historic summit in the first place, a sign of things could come on what happens at that next summit, we're on it. we're all over it. first james comey and now james clap era caused of being a leak

er and a liar we'll find out what the now house intel committee uncovered with the chairman of that committee because devon nunes is here and only here and then tired of comics knocking donald trump, wait until you hear the snl veteran and another snl veteran named joe whose ready to drain the comedy swamp. all right and no pool here so don't get any ideas welcome everybody happy weekend i'm neil cavuto and this is cavuto live where we start things off live at the border, where migrants are gathering and lawyers are circling and national guardsmen are preparing and a lot of folks meanwhile just nervously watching very very carefully. reuters chief correspondent for mexico and central america has been traveling with these migrants and she joins us now. what's the latest there? >> oh, hello, thanks for having me. so about 400 migrants are gather

ed in various areas anxiously waiting to possibly cross to the united states tomorrow, that's the plan, and ask for asylum. these are men, women and children from el salvador, honduras i've been speaking to many of them over the past month and they have terrible horrors they've been seeing, many are seeing lethal threat, physical prosecution, so it's a bit of a, it's like looking at a refugee camp on the move here. neil: you know delphine, apparently they have the right to request the asylum very few are granted that. how does that process go and when does it start going? >> so again the minute that they cross the united states they have to give themselves up and as i understand customs and border enforcement will most likely take them into detention and then they're meant to be given whether they think that

are here and many are in a position to say yes, they are meant to be put into a system that allows them then to go through the asylum process, and they can then request asylum but it's a very long process and it's unsure if any of them will be successful. having said that many of them are now aware that they will put a sanction in for them that's better than the conditions they have back at home. neil: when you say home, delphin e, they're from honduras notably, do you have a break break down of whose who? >> yes, i mean the numbers have been changing over the past month and every year, there are paradigms they have been and it's one where they consider bigger ones at its peak over a thousand people, and about 800 of those a couple of weeks ago were from honduras and at this point there are only about 400 at the border right now, and many of them want to stay in

mexico. many feel unsafe in mexico as you surely know, mexico has a very high level themselves, so at this point, most of them are still from honduras but a lot of them are children as well. we don't have an exact count but el salvador, guatemala and -- neil: all right, thank you anything happens of course you'll update us but very nice of you to take the time, in the meantime hector garza is here a border patrol agent and hector, of course you don't want anything bad to happen or unruly to happen but that's a lot of people and a lot of people to process and most if not all will attempt to cross the united states immediately be taken in by authorities, and then the wait. how do you think that will go? >> well, the reason these people keep coming to our country illegally is because the system is releasing them as soon as we apprehend them. all they have to do is claim

asylum, claim credible fear and they will be processed and then released and what ends up happening, neil is these people will not return to the court appearances because they know they do not have a legitimate asylum claim so as long as we are releasing people into the country, these people are going to continue to come. neil: we should explain many of them are given a court date to come back sometimes a month later and they're long gone at that point, right? >> yeah, and neil it's actually years later. to have these court appearances and now something that we should be doing, neil is that anybody hat has a legal status unmexico can be send back to mexico while their asylum is being processed and the same thing can be done in the united states is that we can detain these people while their claims are being processed and then their claims are either approved or denied and they will be allowed to the united states or deported back to their country but what we need to stop is catch and release. we need to stop releasing these people if not the flood of people are going to continue to come to this country illegally. neil: there are apparently at

least a dozen u.s. lawyers right now helping with these people and trying to remind them of their rights or whatever, i don't know what the process is for rights for people who are not citizens but whatever, and steer them through the process. tell me a little bit about that. >> well, there's a fine line with providing rights to these people, and between providing rights to these people and actually aiding and a betting their illegal entry into the country. keep in mind these people are being coached on what to say to immigration officers. most of them do not have a legitimate asylum claim, so those people that are providing this type of aiding and a betting need to be careful because they might be prosecuted under the law. neil: hector i know there are quite a few more national guards men at the border now than before a lot precipitated by this caravan where it first had the numbers were kind of all over the map but the president was concerned at the time that it was getting big, when it was at the mexican border and then the mexican authorities

apparently reduced the size. i don't know all of the details but what i do know is there is more national guardsmen now at the border. what role will they play even working with your guys? >> so when we know about the national guard is they're providing us with a lot of air support and a lot of helicopters and pilots and people that maintain these helicopters to go out in the middle of the night and apprehend these illegal crossers. you have to keep in mind while we have these people that are crossing illegally and turn themselves into claim asylum we have drug traffickers moving large amounts of drugs into the country and they're using the people that are claiming the a seem you'll claims as a way to distract their agents. neil: so they might be effective ly mules in this case taking a lot of stuff they might not even know but i guess what i'm asking is there are other caravans behind this latest one and the mexican government doesn't seem to be doing a lot to stop it or slow it, and i'm

just wondering that's what made this latest one so noticeable that they were almost getting green-lighted through almost every checkpoint in mexico along the southern border to now here we are at the tiajuan ark san diego border. >> neil actually the shortest route from central america into the united states is actually in the rio grande valley which is in south texas. neil: right so why are they going this way? >> but remember, you have to keep in mind that these people that decide to cross the country legally they don't have a say so on where they're going to cross. the drug cartels control every aspect of the human smuggling network. they control, they dictate where these people cross, how they're going to cross, what they say and that's what we're seeing right now. these are organized efforts by drug cartels that are using these people as a way to facilitate their drugs into the united states. neil: all right you just hope that doesn't speak for all of them to your point but i do wonder what we do if this gets

nasty. i hope it doesn't. it could. you've got more guardsmen there and more agents just to prepare for this i eguess. i know the guardsmen aren't armed but what could happen? >> well neil if you remember two years ago i believe we had about 200 people that tried to cross the border there in an area known as the channel. we had a whole bunch of people with an organized effort, our agents were world trained and able to stop those people there coming across. our agents right now are prepared and ready for something similar. we believe these people might cross in an area called the channel or the gold canyon. these are known smuggling routes and not all of them are asking for asylum. so many people will try to sneak through a country so they're not caught and they can make it into the united states but our border patrol is ready for this event. neil: we'll watch it very very closely and you've got a lot of work to do and you're concerned about all of this and we'll keep

an eye on it as shall we and most of these migrants, many are not even from mexico, many from honduras have already met at the border here. they have been no incidents again i should stress no incidents there but they're trying to make sure no incidents ensue. we should also stress here that the remaining numbers are expected some time tomorrow morning, which could boost the numbers from anywhere from 400 to as many as 800 but again there's no way of knowing for sure. in the meantime, you probably are seeing a lot of hugging and handshaking going on between world leaders this week and i notice things like this and i'll tell you why they're important. they might just seem surfacey, but they tend to for tend good deals. i'm not saying like nixon and china deals, because that wasn't warm and fuzzy when it started, but, but, it got to be that way. why stuff lick that matters, after this. i accept i don't bike the miles i used to. i even accept i have a higher risk of stroke due to afib,

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neil: all right the president has been busy tweeting this morning, this regarding a certain dinner he will not be attending washington white house correspondent instead taking a campaign trip looking forward to being in the great state of michigan tonight, major business expansion and jobs pouring into your state, auto companies expanding at a record pace, big crowd tonight will be live on tv what he didn't say in that is that he will not be attending the white house correspondent's dinner, and for many who do this sort of thing every year and look forward to it he's disappointed them all. i don't think he really cares but i just want to pass that along. the dinner just won't be the same. all right, anyway the good news you may not be hearing on the home front on the international front first of course on the international front is the historic step taken between the north and the south and leaders looking like they're getting along just fine. president trump hugging it out with emmanuel macron who was, you know, seemed to be an early sort of resister to all things donald trump and now very much

forming an alliance likes of which german chancellor merkel can only envy so what is going on here and what to make of these signs they might be all just cosmetic to begin with but i don't know these kind of things tend to mean something down the road, house foreign affairs committee member republican congressman from illinois adam kinkinger. >> thanks. neil: what do you make of it we've seen a good deal of hand shacking and hugging on our part of the president and french president a little less between angela merkel, do you put much stock in those kind of images? >> i do actually, so president trump and the times i've met with him last year or this year, he's very much a relationships guy. he likes to have a personal connection with people, so i think the fact that he and macron seem to get along so well has big pay-offs in terms of the ability to have a relationship that goes beyond just being

buddies. it actually leads into a better relationship between the countries that gives you an ease to talk to some of these leaders as i've had conservations with some of these leaders before. it doesn't necessarily mean he has a colder relationship with angela merkel that somehow our relationship with germany will fall apart but then if you look at the symbolism and reality of what's going on in korea we have to be very careful i have a lot of people that sound like we've already signed some kind of a deal with the north and we haven't but this is a very good beginning step to show that the two sides are willing to try to hammer out something that's alluded us for decades. neil: well they seem to be further along in the north and south korea situation to your point, manchester than we were led to believe that's why some of these cosmetic things come to be discussed because their friendliness might have been precipitated by phone calls and going through how they were going to meet and greet each other when they did get together , each tipping into the other country briefly before ongoing discussions, as if they

paved the way for something for the president. do you worry that expectations get ahead of their skiis so to speak? >> sure that's a big worry of mine. i think this is great. i think this is historic, and i think we need to recognize that. what my concern is is that this stalls, or somehow we don't come to an agreement, you know, there maybe some points. we'll have to be in the north to confirm that they don't have these nuclear weapons and what my concern is people will be so let down at that point, and i'll tell you, you can't get any higher in diplomacy than what is going on now so we get a moment where we either get a deal in korea which actually is going to happen i'm optimistic about it but if we don't then really the next step is military action. there's really no way to estimate diplomatically from where we are now. so this is amazing one of these things we could look back and it could be the equivalent of something along the lines of the beer min wall falling which i remember when i was just a young guy or it could be pretty

disappointing but i think the president has done a fantastic job to drive north korea to the table and he should get a ton of credit for what's happening. neil: i'm thinking more like nixon in china. it could be that historic. again if things pan out. now the president is indicating, congressman, that if he doesn't see this going that well he'll up and leave the table. i don't know what that would mean if maybe the north were resisting inspections on certain sites, other countries have in deals we've made with libya to saddam hussein and iraq that it sounds good on paper and then they don't allow it. is that the kind of thing he's talking about? is that the kind of stuff you want to see? >> yeah, i want to see the president being really tough. i mean, back when the iran nuclear deal was happening i remember secretary kerry was before our committee and he said he was willing to walk away from the deal. i don't know if i said this publicly or just thought it but i go there's no way that and is going to walk away from iran and iran knows it and they are going to extract a pound of flesh on every issue we have and we have

a really bad deal in iran right now. i think the president being willing to put the military out there, doing what he did with sanctions bringing our allies and our adversaries together on this common issue and then saying we have to have an agreement that works or i will walk away, if kim jong-un isn't taking that seriously and i think he is by the fact of what he's been doing, if he isn't taking that seriously that's at his own detriment and i think the president means it. neil: it's very clear looking at least to me, sir, that he's going to walk away from this iran deal and it was a lousy deal good for the iranians not so good for the rest of the world specifically the united states, he got a little pushback from the foreign leader s meeting with him this week. is it your sense that it's going to be tough to get the budget for the states because they've got their money, billions of it and a lot of it as the president pointed out that came in airplanes and crates. what's going to compel them to do anything? >> so that's going to be a difficult question. the problem is initially to get

to this deal which is a bad deal but to get there, you had all of our allies together creating sanctions and it put a lot of pressure on iran. now, they have their money. our allies, macron said he's not getting out of the jcpoa to deal he's going to stay in but my concern is this they all speak a good line to say well we do want to negotiate these other issues ballistic missiles, activities in the region et cetera but i don't know how you compel iran to the table without sanctions, without some kind of a stick out there again and if our allies are saying we're going to bite 100% on this deal until 2025 when basically it goes away and they can rush to nukes i don't see what the stick is to compel iran's behavior in other areas so i think the president is being smart with his team. mike pompeo is a good friend of mine, he knows what he's doing so i trust his team on that. neil: congressman thanks for taking this time on a saturday. >> any time. you bet. neil: a quick question for you. what does the new avengers movie have to do with the economy?

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neil: you know, i know everyone is talking about this inevitable blue wave coming and the mid-term elections but what about the green wave the one that's showing all this economic activity with small business optimism, home prices jumping all of that? well fbn has a lot more on the side of the story you're not hearing much about, yet, the

economy. >> exactly so let's start with that the economy did grow faster than expected in the first quarter with the value of all goods and services, that's gdp, increasing at an annual rate of 2.3%, that number is down from the previous quarter, due to a slow down in consumer spending growth, but, it's drag on the economy was offset by a smaller trade deficit. economists expect growth to speed up in the second quarter, small business optimism is at a three-year high and it's largely thanks to confidence generated from president t's new tax package and something else though is rising as we know home prices. they're up for the 70th consecutive month according to the case schiller index and february saw prices increase 6.3 % compared to last year and while sales of new homes are up 4% in march and drum roll the average price of a new single family homecoming in hot at 337, 200. on wall street, markets wrapped the week off mixed but little

change on friday, investors actually struggled to balance solid earnings growth with the possibility of rising inflation and higher bond yields. and let's focus on profits with more than half of the companies in the s&p 500 reporting first quarter results, nearly 80% have beaten profit estimates and 74% have beaten revenue estimates. tech sector started out strong with amazon topping analyst expectations the e-commerce giant more than doubling profits from a year ago. meantime facebook did rally 9% after its earnings and the company revealing a 13% jump in users last quarter and that puts total users with facebook around 2.2 billion. microsoft and intel also hitting all-time highs on earnings, and apple, big one, apple is set to report its first quarter earnings on tuesday. back to you, neil. neil: a good back drop there thank you very very much. all right in the meantime, step back from that, i did a little bit of searching around too, christina is not the only one

doing her homework although she does a lot more than i do but the party in power has never lost when the underpinnings have been that sound, so that had me thinking again that happens sometimes, and then are we getting something wrong about what could be happening in november? months away i grant you let's go to fortune magazine adam lashinsky, independent women forum maddie duppler, fox news contributor gary b. smith, so gary i'm looking at that environment, i'm not playing politics here and the fundamentals and what's going on with these companies and their earnings. that is generally not an environment in which you switch parties in power, generally, what do you think? >> exactly. look i think people base their decisions particularly when it comes to the election to what i always say are the three prongs, do they have a job, are they making money, in their home prices, you know homeownership is still a main factor and most people's assets do we have a job unemployment according to some

measurements is at an 11-year high, it's so unemployment people have jobs out there. wages are growing, finally, like they didn't under the obama years, and finally, as christina just mentioned housing prices are rising again. hope they don't rise too much, signaling a bubble but right now , people are feeling richer. that bodes well for exactly what you're talking about, people feel hey the economy is strong right now, let's keep the guys that made these decisions in power. neil: now you never know depending on the data too because a lot of people look at that maddie and say well i'm not feeling it or i don't feel that secure or i'm getting crumbs, the nancy pelosi line. i don't know what's accurate here but that is, there did seem to be a ceiling on the popularity of the tax cuts so maybe that's what's happening here but i'm kind of stretching what do you think? >> no i disagree there's not a ceiling on the popularity of the tax cuts and we still have a long way to go until we see all of the economic benefits fully fleshed in. you made an excellent point which is that people need to feel like their personal

circumstances are getting better and here is how i see it. the tax cut is getting phased in in three different ways, one with the bonuses that came out right out of the gate in 2018 you had people who were a thousand dollars richer off the bat because companies were giving bonuses. secondly the withholding tables changed that means peoples paychecks got bigger and third we're moving into the cycle when businesses adapt to the change in the tax code that will translate to not only more productivity but translate to higher wages and that's where people are really going to start to feel the difference in tax reform in their individual circumstances. so november might feel like a long ways away. we're talking right now about a lot of this economic data looking good. neil: it's not that long away. we're already working on graphic s packages so i know it's here. i know it's here. >> exactly and we'll see business behavior change and all of that investment start to ramp up soon. neil: so let me pause a little differently to you then adam when democrats are talking about rescinding the tax cuts that republicans came up with, could that work against them? forget the crumbs remark and the

other stuff that americans might look at that and say well, i might have gotten less than i thought i would get from this thing, but i don't want them rip ping it out from under me what do you think? >> well sure it could work against them and what maddie everything she said is accurate but it's ignoring one thing. he and i have been doing this for a long time, [laughter] but consumer spending was up 1.1 % in the quarter that was the weakest part of the report, which by the way was a fairly weak report, so what the data shows is that companies are doing buybacks and yes, they're investing a little bit more and consume earns have not gotten into the game. neil: normally i should stress the first quarter tends to be the weakest for consumer spending because it's just after the holidays and all that but having said that the aggregate report was stronger than was anticipated right? >> well i would say the aggregate report was strong but not nearly as strong as it has been even recently right? 2.3% growth is not what the

administration is looking for. i just want to also say gary mentioned unemployment is at an all-time low. unemployment was at a low during 2016 at the end of the obama administration. people had jobs, people were making money, so that has gotten better but it was good then. neil: yeah, it's a fine point but gary, then lay out the markets role in this. the market has been gyrating more, more volatile trading and swings of 1% or more are already double what they were last year. how is that playing into all of this? >> well, i think it's okay right now. i mean, we seen a more or less a little bit of a sell-off the last few weeks but i think it's more reversion to the mean. you've got to remember, we are up sharp, up dramatically since trump took office, based a lot on what i feel was justifiable optimism. i think you're seeing some of those stocks come back now down to reasonable levels, the facebook, the amazon those fang stocks but the underpinnings are

good and once that shakes out once you see less of the 1 or 2% daily moves we'll be much higher by the end of the year and that's another reason that 50% of the people that own stocks in this country are going to feel even richer and again it bodes well for keeping the gop in power. neil: we shall see, and it probably will. we've got a long way to go until november even though our graphic s packages are essentially done. guys thank you all very very much. also, the president thanking kanye west for his support this week and then all of a sudden in the middle of that, it caused this huge uproar. why? do you offer $4.95 online equity trades? great question. see, for a full service brokerage like ours, that's tough to do. schwab does it. next question. do you offer a satisfaction guarantee? a what now? a satisfaction guarantee. like schwab does. what are you teaching these kids? ask your broker if they offer award-winning full service

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neil: all right, well the president was referring to a lot of republicans are saying that makes the end of it the house intelligence committee report on so called russian collusion in last years in the 2016 presidential election, no big deal move on democrats obviously feel differently we'll be talking to the chairman of that committee very very soon in the meantime, a read on what really came out of this report, what was in this report and some of the lying that has been building up in and around this

report, but not from whom you might think. jillian turn erin d.c. with more hey, jillian. >> hi, good morning, neil so the report from republicans on the house intel committee largely exonerates both the trump and clinton campaigns, acknowledges russia did interfere in the election and ultimately condemns the u.s. intelligence committee in harsh terms the report casts its largest stone at president obama 's chief of intelligence accusing him of lying about what information he shared with members of the press, and when. the language reads in part, " former clapper flatly denied discussing the dossier compiled by steele or any other intelligence related to russia hacking but subsequently acknowledged discussing the dossier with cnn journalist and admitted he might have spoken with other journalists on the same topic. the president tweeting his response this morning. clapper lied about fraudulent dossier leaks to y cnn, he was quick to embrace the portions of

the report favorable to his campaign, but steered clear of its finding that both campaigns exhibited "poor judgment." president trump: i was very honored by the report, it was totally conclusive, strong, powerful, but what we really should do is get on with our lives and get on with a lot of things. >> washington's reaction to the report, the conclusion lawmakers draw from it seem to depend in large measure on their personal politics. many democrats zeroing in on the serious nature of the investigation. >> it's basically a kindergarten report. it was a light once over. >> while some republicans are seizing the opportunity to underscore their own particular grievances with the process. mike conway put out a statement that reads in part i am extreme ly disappointed with the redactions made by the ic. many of the redactions include information that's publicly available such as witness names and information previously dis

classified. my team and i will continue to challenge the ic's on many unnecessary redactions with the hope of releasing more of the report in the coming months. so, what's clear, neil, is that folks on both sides of the aisle are eager to register a complaint but also that no one in government is willing to take any responsibility for what's gone wrong. neil? neil: shocking, right? just shocking. jillian, thank you great job as always. and we're going to get the read from devon nunes the chairman of that committee on what he makes of the criticisms that popped up and where this whole robert mueller investigation goes and whether he looks at their finding and well bernie sanders has an idea that could solve our unemployment problem. just get everyone a job. have the government deal with it , paid for it, maybe stick it to the rich to fund it, but then what? then what? at usaa was able to take care of my family while i was overseas serving.

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neil: all right, bernie sanders wants to guarantee a job for everyone, so with a $15 minimum wage and health benefits and all of that we're off to the races, are we, who pays for it and some details that have been left out let's get the read from fox news contributor, fox business network david asman and all right so kathy, you're our center guest. >> okay, thank you. neil: how do we pay for this? >> well with taxpayer dollars, that we already have, we don't have to raise taxes. neil: we've got a trillion dollar deficit. >> but there's so much money already in the tax system that's being put to waste, these trips to mar-a-lago and money being thrown here and there. neil: maybe at the rate we're going -- >> but if we allocate our tax dollars appropriately we could put them for the new initiatives and we could help so many people out and actually be quite beneficial so the tax dollars

allocated appropriately then there's no problem we don't have to raise taxes we already have the money, voila. neil: i've heard that before. what do you think? david: i think it's a horrible idea maybe that's why the 20th century is filled with socialistic ideas, the soviet constitution in 1917 had guaranteed employment for everybody, i used to cover latin america, cuba, venezuela, every country that has tried this has ended up with, yeah, everybody has a job, at $2 a year, i mean, it's a horrible -- neil: we need $16 an hour. david: right and whose going to pay for that even the leftist studies i read on bernie sanders ' plan has not even begun to add up how much it costs but who allocates the jobs? you have all these people instead of a marketplace with millions of people deciding who allocates a job and what works and what doesn't you have a small group of people in the government who say okay we're going to allocate all this money to theatre projects or something like that. neil: but you raise a good point cat, i think there's a certain brilliance to what bernie

sanders is doing to separate himself from the rest of the crowd. now, and for his rabid supporters, he can almost guarantee himself still more of them. right absolutely who hears this without thinking about it and says well that's great it would be great if everyone could have a job and we don't know if we have the money to pay for it because aside from the deficit bernie sanders own office is saying they have no idea how much this would even cost, so you can't know -- neil: but what if you just re prioritize. >> we don't know if there's enough money because they're admitting they don't know much it would cost and i get so sick of these ideas that far left principals people have, of bernie sanders is such a nice guy he wants to give everyone jobs but i don't see what's so generous about spending other people's money. if he was going to do this i'd say way to go what a nice dude but there's nothing generous about wanting to spend other people's money. neil: well let me ask you this you could argue whether you want to give.the credit or his predecessor credit the unemployment rate has been going

down, among minorities, women, all key groups has been going down make it let market forces do their thing before the government intervenes what do you think? >> well how about the corporations help with these jobs, which is the bernie sanders program. neil: well someone's doing it. right? >> right. neil: it's going down so maybe -- >> it's already happening there are jobs for all so the corporations are doing great thank you to our president trump so if the economy is doing wonderfully -- neil: so there's no need to rush this plan right? >> right it looks like it's going to happen. neil: so you agree? >> i agree that i think bernie 's plan will happen. neil: now you're confusing me. >> it'll happen whether our taxes we allocate them properly. david: but kathy you use the phrase "give jobs." i hate to use all old phrase there's no such thing as a free lunch we found that out with obamacare, just the money comes from somewhere and where it comes from incentives matter. >> it comes from the corporations. david: it comes from people

working. neil: but isn't it, you're like a libertarian right? do you worry that what he's saying is you get them these jobs they don't need all these government programs and it pays for itself kind of that way. what do you think? >> i don't think it pays for itself even the office isn't saying that it pays for itself. if bernie's office came out and said this will pay for itself then i might think about that because deficits don't matter to people on the left. it just doesn't matter. neil: i don't matter to people on the right. david: and we had an experiment here in the united states during the depression called the works program and it didn't work. the only thing that got us out of the depression was world war ii putting everybody to work and defending the country. the depression lasted for the full term of the 1930 during all these work programs it doesn't work here, doesn't work in cuba or anywhere else. >> finland is trying it right now. they're the happiest people on earth and so are we aren't we? >> yes. >> they're very happy and we are just as happy if they can do it we can do it.

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>> all right. well, the carivan is here at the border. talking specifically the t tijuana border. and when it first entered mexico, i think back in march. it's finally here, it's not the people that you think. it's not going the direction you would think. so, what now? what happens when all of this presumably hits the fan and come tomorrow sometime, a lot of these immigrants who are leaving hostile territories, they say, want to come into the united states for asylum. william la jeunesse, what do you think? >> well, as you mentioned, the

carivan started out with about 1500 a month ago at guatemala mexican border. there are 340 in tijuana, many inside the building still sleeping and thinking about 200 will claim asylum at the port of entry. >> and they were given information from american lawyers, said and told, do you want to do this? you're going to likely be detained for several months, you're going to be separated from your children ab and not going to have a lawyer during the interviews. the carivan has been symbolic, visible, if you will, represents about a fraction of the 10,000 central americans apprehended each month at the border looking for a better life, a job and fleeing violence. >> the drug cartels don't let us live in peace in our country. we had assassination threats from the drug cartels so we had

to leave because the drug cartels are everywhere. >> so, this is what the u.s. port of entry at san diego looks like from the south side and where we expect the immigrants to gather tomorrow and ask for asylum or enter the u.s. what is the u.s. doing to stop and deter them? it's rhetorical and real. by law they have to give them a fair hearing however, if you lie you'll be prosecuted. if you game the system you'll be prosecuted. >> they will likely be separated from their children and detained throughout their adjudication hearing through the immigration courts, which can take months. so, tomorrow we expect these individuals to go to a local park where they'll meet supporters coming down from los angeles, a lot of media coverage, difficult for police to break them up and as i said, neil, about 200 we expect will

ask for asylum we don't know if this'll bang on the defense or 20 or 30 to the asylum officer at port of entry, something along that line. that was done with the haitians as you recall a year ago. that's the process from tijuana, about a third of them we expect don't, will not ask for asylum because they don't want to go through it. back to you. neil: we'll watch closely, thank you, very very much. william la jeunesse will be there for 24 to 48 hour, could be an ordeal, we'll see. the president has been focused on mexico. and he tweeted that mexico, whose laws of immigration are tough and must stop people from going through mexico and into the u.s. we may make this a condition of the new nafta agreement and we must get wall funding fast ands' pushing more national guard to be on the border and most are there right now.

the read from all of this, this includes his district, republican congressman darrell issa. >> is this going to get nerve wracking? >> i hope that there is a line in the sand that finally gets drawn. the president is certainly compassionate and if they're real asylum seekers that have a valid claim and a reason to come to the united states, freight. but it's a fraction of these people and it habitually is. in guatamala, they're told how to tell the statements about perceived risk. well, i've been to guatemala back when they were sending the children a couple of years ago. i'm very familiar that, in fact, the guatemalan government doesn't say that these are real. they pass through mexico. the nature of asylum is not that you go to where you want to go because you have the best economic opportunity, asylum is about you flee and then you ask for asylum. they've deliberately passed through over a thousand miles to get to the united states for

an economic opportunity. and to a person, these threats are part of a strategy, a strategy that american lawyers are advising them right now to do. the vast majority of asylum claims have no specific threats based on their actions, but, rather, oh, well, it's a dangerous neighborhood. well, you know what? we spend money helping countries like guatemala, honduras, nicaragua and even mexico fight drug cartels. they need to work with us to fight the drug cartels, but with 200 nations around the world and about 180 of them being poor. we cannot give asylum based on the fact that generally the united states is a better place. . neil: clearly for the asylum seekers, whatever you want to call them, many are from honduras, there's an election there, and they fear a new leader and reprisals on them, but they could have sought asylum in mexico and they otherwise thought otherwise.

what's curious how it is mexico, which is tough on its own southern border green lighted this group when it came in largely of hondurans largely making it to the united states the way they did. it would have been easier to go to texas and the texas border than to your neck of the woods. what is going on there? >> this is selective. mexico turns back more undocumented people that get to the u.s., they turn far more gaut guatemalan as and honduran, busloads. neil: apparently they passed at least four different friendly check points without so much of, you know, as a slowdown in checking paper work. >> and this is one that, it should bee fif you had -- befuddle you. and look, these are very tough areas to live in. they do have drug problems and crime problems, but you can't

have the fact that some nation is less than desirable become a reason for asylum. the united states admits about 1.2 million people a year, a small fraction are for genuine asylum, and the majority are family reunification and that's the interrupting then r thing, you come in on asylum and next thing you want to sponsor other family members. if i told you how many people from various areas of the country and including even india are always talking about how unfair it is that they got an asylum and now they can't go back and visit their family and you go what? but that's the reality is asylum is often a false claim, but let's go to the bigger picture. the president has three responsibilities and one of them clearly is to protect our borders and he is doing so in spite of the fact that governor brown and others are politicizing it. what he is doing at the border is no different than barack obama, george w. bush or even bill clinton did in response to the need for additional

capabilities to protect our borders and to orderly deal with people who are coming, whether claiming asylum or sneaking across, or quite frankly, bringing those drugs that when they get here are part of a chain that leads to violence in honduras. neil: so what happens, they're all-- or a good many of them are going to seek an asylum or they're going to fill out the paper work and cross the border, fill out the paper work and get a court date hearing, it could be months, former agents say it could be years off and they don't show up, that's the fear and regardless, they're here. >> that's the history is that a huge part of people who claim these asylums and other reasons on a catch and release basis, then use it to stay until they're caught and if they're caught and deported, they'll try the same thing again in various ways. here is an important one for us all to understand. my state, california, with its governor and liberal democrat

legislature is prohibiting law enforcement from having criminals involved in the drug trafficking deported. that means that, in fact, we in california are allowing the drug trafficking and the criminal activities that make guatemala and honduras and nicaragua more dangerous every day. so, you know, one of the challenges is the president's meeting the same requirements his predecessors did and trying to do the job right, while california has politicized it and is making it harder for us to accomplish what this president and every administration wants, which is make our country safe, have an orderly system, be compassionate when appropriate. neil: all right. congressman, thank you. we'll watch closely. good seeing you again. >> thank you. neil: darrell issa. you know, much has been discussed with the north and south korean leaders and they seem to be a very friendly exchange and each dipping into the other's territory and the man hugs, all of that kind of stuff. of course, praising donald trump for this moment, very well

talked about about the chinese leader that might have paved the way behind a lot of these headlines. no less than president trump acknowledging him. so, why isn't the rest of the media? we're on it. you know what they say about the early bird...

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>> all right. you know, the president has acknowledged that there were other players in this north korea-south korea meeting including the leader of china. please do not forget, he tweeted, the great help my good friend president xi of china had given on the border of north korea. without him it would have been a longer, tougher process. and even the very meeting between the north and south korean leaders which was surprisingly friendly and warm and man hugging and that stuff. what's going on here in nuclear showdown author gordon chang and christian. gordon, you first.

is it your sense that the chinese played more of a role than we know? >> if you look back two years, chinese's sanction enforcement better than it was, but only two months there's been a marked deterioration. neil: cheating and getting stuff to north korea? >> we see north korean workers in china, that's a violation. when kim went to beijing in march of this year, you had the pictures of the gifts that the chinese gave to the north koreans. that's a violation of u.n. sanctions. that's $394,000 worth of porcelain and jewelry, a violation of the luxury goods ban and what xi jinping was saying to trump, i'm violating your sanctions, what are you going to do about it? and i think what trump is trying to do is pushing the chinese back to being helpful. the reason why kim wants to talk to us, the sanctions are hurting him. neil: even when the chinese cheat and--

>> yes, the chinese are better than two years ago, but we've got to worry about what they've been doing the past couple months. neil: the president seemed to tip his hand and we were talking about this, in his discussions with angela merkel of germany when he also credited the chinese leader for his help, that he tied the chinese trade and all of this stuff with tariffs to that. what do you make of that? >> i think you're onto something there. the president is considering the trade is part of national security and throwing this out to xi jinping may be a good cop and the president is able to be the good and bad cop in any negotiation and we're preparing to be the bad cop with china, the section 301 sanctions tariffs for chinese theft of u.s. intellectual property are still in effect. and you have us going to beijing

and merkel, too, the white house is pushing hard on germany to spend the pittance it does on defense and the germans have been slow rolling this. come may 1st, they may be find themselves subject to steel and aluminum tariffs they've been exempted to. neil: and that could work to his advantage, that is president trump. i don't understand, i could see some agreement between the united states and north korea, our part's going to be money. we are going to have to give them a lot of money and i know how that has gone in the past. so, you know, disavow me of my cynical notion. >> yeah, well, you're right to be cynical because the north koreans have violated denuclearization pledges. they had a pledge in october of 1992. with south korea. there was a statement of principles during the six-party talks and they violated all of them. what's different though, the

sinks sanctions are hurting. and kim will violate every pledge he makes, it's what president trump will do to utilize american power to push kim to do what he want doesn't with a to do. we have the ability to do this sort of force. the question is whether president trump will use those elements of national power to make sure we're safe. neil: i know we want to build into this, whatever we agree to, if you're going to agree to denuclearization, watch what you're doing, with inspectors and know how that's gone in places like iran and libya. leaving that aside, back to the money issue here, why doesn't china just fill that role if they're going to be that country's sugar daddy has they have been and if gordon's right, i have no reason to assume he's not, to help in the interim, maybe not nearly as much as before. why can't they play that financial role? why is it on us, the united states, to potentially fork over

billions to a butcher, a liar, a cheater and a killer? >> many'-- i'm not sure we're going to do that. in the clinton administration we were building reactors, basically to the administration and food aid easily sold on the black market and converted to cash and released some funds that were tied up. i don't think that the president will do that this time. we may deliver sanction relief and do what they do for the regime. china is in a different position here. they probably prefer north korea not have a nuclear arsenal, but they know it's never going to be used against them. they probably seem uneasy because the north -- the summit between trump and kim probably won't happen in beijing. the president said yesterday, it's down to two locations, if i had to guess, those would be malaysia or mongolia, both of

which have negotiations with north korea. neil: what about the militarized zone itself? >> i think we saw the stroll between the north korean dictator and south korea, i don't think that works for this summit, the looks of it. and to sit down and talk turkey, the president is a showman and that's a good they think diplomacy and pageantry and i think they're going for something different. neil: i suggest the catskills or poconos. >> mar-a-lagmar-a-lago. >> and they'll force china to pony up crash and we'll recognize north korea because they want to legitimacy and there are a lot of reasons to do that, but the most important things is, as christian says, we are going to force them to give up weapons and a strict weapons regime and not going to give

them too much cash until that happens. president trump is saying i'm not letting up sanctions until these guys give up their weapons. neil: thank you both. we'll watch that closely as far as the selection site and i think that's days away. can't wait. still going with the catskills or poconos. >> mar-a-lago. i was a c130 mechanic in the corps, so i'm not happy unless my hands are dirty. between running a business and four kids, we're busy. auto insurance, homeowner's insurance, life insurance policies. knowing that usaa will always have my back... that's just one less thing you have to worry about. i couldn't imagine going anywhere else. they're like a friend of the family. we are the cochran family, and we'll be usaa members for life. save by bundling usaa home and auto insurance. get a quote today.

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that $7 trillion has been spent in the middle east and he's of the view that we have little to show for it in country and how about you other countries, particularly that neck of the woods pony up and see what the secretary of state would be. and we had a fascinating discussion, in case you just joined us, a great guest to follow up on it. the view among african-americans that the president has thrown right back at them, that what the hell have you got to lose? he kept campaigning on the few, african-americans and minorities have been ill-served by big washington and advocates. go to me and see what happens. now, of course, he talks about record low unemployment rates for african-american teenagers, or african-americans in general, women, latinos, et cetera. he's got, you know, a number of support from those who agree with that point of view. not all, but i wonder what missouri's congressman emanuel

cleaver had to say about this. it's good to have him on the phone. congressman, what do you make of that, what he is saying is, it shouldn't be a birth right for a party, the democratic party thinks he they have a lock on voters promising them goodies from the government. what do you think? >> first, i think that donald trump and any president for that matter would have a chance to do something that would be helpful to the country and that is create a political system where african-americans are in both camps and i think that-- >> well, isn't he saying, sir, that they've been in one camp and it's ridiculous because they've got little to show for it? >> i can do an hour long speech about democrats taking african-americans for granted and i'd have a line behind me of very prominent african-americans who would say amen.

what i think the president -- the thing that prevents african-americans from connecting with this president has been the things he has said that either he said them out of ignorance or, as some would believe believe, he said it out of malice. you know, refused calling an african-american woman in congress, an empty wagon or, you know, saying that she said something that she didn't say and then the republican leading miami newspaper comes to the defense and says we covered the story, she didn't say that she brought the courthouse to miami. neil: if you're a minor, congressman, whatever the claims back and forth and i guess that kanye west has heard them and president trump thinks that

african-americans might consider saying something favorable about the president that whether you're red or blue, if you're looking at the green, with the improving economy in the market, et cetera, i know that everyone is not involved in the markets, i had that, but it's obviously having an effect on these unemployment rates. i'm not saying it's all the president is doing, i'm not saying that this is a spillover from what barack obama was doing, but it's very real and the tax cuts and sharing some of that bonus wealth with workers, that's very, very real and tangible as beneficial to minorities as to regular old white americans. >> absolutely. >> what's wrong with that argument? >> absolutely. if i were an advisor of donald trump and wanted to get african-americans to connect with him and they would, i mean, i would advise him to say, look,

i've had political differences with barack obama, but the african-american unemployment rate was going down and i hope that african-americans are proud of the fact that i've kept it going and even reduced it further. i think that as an advisor, i would have told them that and i can assure you the reaction would have been dramatically different-- >> do you think so? and i believe, congressman, you're thoughtful and fair on both sides and to both sides and you are, maybe it's the minister in you, but i also think that there's a certain crowd, and i guess you see this in both parties, that will not hear anything, but the drum beat day one heard. so, if you were to say that to some of your leadership, they would just ignore you and probably punish you? >> well, unfortunately, i do think that there are those who would recent the fact that there

was an effort being made, but i can tell you when african-american political leaders get together, inevitably the question arises about democratic-- the democratic party taking for granted. all i'm saying is that, a lot of things-- a lot of things can be changed by the way a person speaks, about the dialog, by the high rising rhetoric that -- of togetherness. neil: i agree with you on that, but it works both ways, congressman. >> yes, it does. neil: we got into it a little bit when we were in washington. you're going to call the president out on things he said. why does everything deinvolve on the other side into saying he's a racist? i think that gets old, not really fair. i think you know in your heart of hearts it's not fair. get him on a lot of things if you want, but that zeros out the

debate to me. >> well, and you're absolutely right. now, i would not call president donald trump a racist. there were things called and caused my blood pressure to rise. i think that the president is, you know, insensitive. he may be to every human being on the planet, instead of directing at black and brown people. but we have to be careful about throwing that racist label around because when you use -- when you use words to hurt people, those words are also going to caught retreat by that person. neil: and by design, you hope you mention that, an african-american base is hearing that, oh, i heard that the president is a racist.

i've heard that his administration has racist views. it stops even the inclination most human beings have to engage and listen because they've heard to leaders, we heard the buzz this guy can't be trusted and doesn't have our interests at heart. and then you have the president, what the hell have you got to lose, and then there's improvement for african-americans in general, but it never gets past go. >> whatever the president has done, and i think we-- when i was mayor, we'd come for mayor's week. i warned mayor rudy about saying that he was bringing down crime and the reason is that when it goes up, you know, you're going to have to take the blame if you said you brought it down. the same thing hold true with the u.s. economy.

i'm not certain what president barack obama did to bring unemployment down and what president trump has done to sustain it and reduce it further, but i do think that there's a way for him to get that message out that would engender some appreciation for what he's doing and the other thing is, i mean, there are things that the president could say and do that i'm telling you would be impactful. and president george bush, for example, was well on the way of doing that and if you look at the black votes he received, it would be easy for him -- for you to say there was some affection towards george bush. i mean, i held hands with gosh bush in the white house and prayed with him and just the two of us in the oval office. neil: and you are a rare--

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>> i didn't have any contact with media until after i left the governor on-- government on the 20th of

january. i don't understand what i read about somehow i leaked the dossier. >> you didn't leak anything about the dossier to any media? >> no, i talked about it after i left the government, but not during that period and certainly not between the 6th of january and the 10th when the president elect himself talked about it. neil: or maybe not. former intelligence chief james clapper of leaking the dossier and lying about it when he shared it with cnn. president has tweeted on this, i don't specifically have it in front of me, but i want to share that with devin nunes. have you on the phone. clapper lied about the dossier leaks to cnn, fox news, he is a lying machine who now works for fake news cnn. now, back to you, chairman. did he lie?

do you have unequivocal proof that he lied? >> from the bret baier interview, excellent, one of the best i've seen in a long time now, we know that comey was talking about cnn having this dossier, having this information, wanting to go with it. we directly confronted mr. clapper in the interview. we asked him directly if he had talked to mr. tapper about it and he said that he, in fact, did talk about it. so, you know, i don't know if he forgot, forgot his miss the date, but definitely it's inconsistent and look, he has explaining to do. if he did, in fact, confirm to news media outlets classified information that was briefed to the president, president-elect and congress, we have a problem. neil: your report essentially concludes to the committee, that there was no proof na the president colluded with anybody, that there as no evidence that

the trump campaign colluded and conspired. but a number of workers did meet with russian operatives. and you seem to dismiss those meetings. why? >> well, i think actually we actually take those meetings straight on. so, if you're talking about directly about the -- this now that it's in the news, all the talk about the russian lawyer that came to meet with-- in trump tower, that met with a few of the trump campaign folks, we interviewed all the people involved in that meeting. the meeting was only 20 minutes, but what we found more importantly, if you want to talk about people who are directly colluding with russians, the russian lawyer who came to visit trump tower met with fusion gps. it was the company that was paid by the democrats and the hillary clinton campaign to dig up dirt on president trump.

so, that firm also worked and represented the russian lawyer. they met the day before the trump tower meeting. they met the day of the trump tower meeting. fusion gps says they didn't talk about anything about the 20 minute meeting at the tower. you'd have to be a fool to believe here you have a russian lawyer paying fusion gps that they didn't talk about the meeting at trump tower, but relied on the testimony from fusion gps, they denied it. we can never prove it unless we could question the russian lawyer and we would not be-- >> there's no way of knowing of the track of robert mueller and he's been able to get some guilty pleas from some members, but we do know he's put off actions for a few weeks.

are we to imply from that or glean from that that a mueller or final conclusion could be as little as a few weeks away? >> i don't know. it's hard to for us to know what mueller is looking at. we know that the people who he has indicted had nothing to do with the trump campaign colluding with the russians and i want to say, neil, just back on this. if you didn't know that somebody is a business person or a russian lawyer that's connected to oligarchs, if you don't have a basic understanding that likely those people are connected directly to the autocracy, the putin autocracy in russia, you're a fool. so fusion gps absolutely knows that that russian lawyer is connected. what we don't have-- these are people, this is the democrats paying fusion gps getting information from russia. the trump campaign was approached by people or approached by russians. so, is it possible that the russians were trying to make

connection into the trump campaign? absolutely, but at least they weren't paying them like the democrats and the hillary clinton campaign were doing. to get back to your question. neil: a number of operatives were drawn in and with some of these others, we don't know, maybe bob mueller knows. is it your sense then that whatever happens here has now morphed into an investigation of the president and his operations, his business dealings with russia, that pre-date long inform he even became a candidate for president? i get a sense that this whole investigation, it's done far afield from just russian meddling, to something that is not even remotely about russian meddling, but just business dealings that go back years, maybe decades. >> well, that's very possible because, look, we spent over a year looking at this. we produced a 250-page report. we interviewed 75 people and we found no collusion between the

trump campaign and the russians. we found lots of approaches, meetings took place, but like i said, all those are very, very fishy and i think as more information comes to light, you're going to see that the only -- the only real connection was theirs and now it seems-- when i say their, meaning with the democrats. now, if you move past this, you look at indictments, they don't appear to have anything to do with the trump gain. we've talked to carter paige and others, these don't seem that these folks are conspiring with the russians or if they could. and even the russians thought that carter page was not somebody that was reliable. the fact that they would use these people to go after the trump campaign and we found out later nothing actually happened and now you see the direction that mueller's going, looking at business deals, i think, is problematic. but the thing that i've said over and over again, when i supported the mueller investigation at the beginning

because i thought this was going to be good. former fbi guy, lawman, there's no solution-- >> no idea. all right, chairman, thank you very, very much. we'll watch closely that investigation ensues. that's the one that matters, the mueller investigation. we have no idea where it's going, how long it's going. there are certain signs, but beyond that, very little else. we'll have more. it took a whole lot more. that's why i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy. everything. and that 2% cash back adds up to thousands of dollars each year... so i can keep growing my business in big leaps! what's in your wallet? my healthy routine helps me feel my best. so i add activia yogurt to my day. with its billions of live and active probiotics, activia may help support my digestive health,

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>> will he or won't he? the president will decide sometime this week, we're told, whether he sticks with that high ran agreement or scratches it and starts from scratch. alison barber in washington with more. >> hi, neil, the president's secretary of state says the u.s. will likely back out of that deal in the coming weeks unless substantial changes are made. >> you asked if we talked about the decision, there's been no decision made, so the team is working and i'm sure we will have lots of conversations to deliver what the president has made clear.

absent a substantial fix, absent overcoming the shortcomings, the flaws of the deal, he is unlikely to stay in that deal past this may. >> president trump set a deadline of may 12th to fix what he considers to be a problematic deal. the president met with french president macron and german president merkel, and they're signatories on the iran deal as is the u.s. france and germany, they don't want the u.s. to back out of the deal and when both leaders were here they discussed it with the president and the president left it open-ended at one point joking with macron, no one knows what i'm going to do on the deal except for president, president macron. and the president is leaving the white house sometime this afternoon and he's headed to michigan for a rally. it's the annual white house

correspondent's dinner, and he's declined the second year in a row. and sarah huckabee sanders will attend in his place. neil: thank you very much. the president is going to be at a big event, speaking in michigan, and he doesn't want to battle with the correspondents. "saturday night live," did you ever see alec baldwin in the president's character. the president is not a fan of it and the administration not a fan of it. but an snl alum not a fan, ripping snl alum. joe piscopo on that. what did you have in mind? i don't know. $4.95 per trade? uhhh. and i was wondering if your brokerage offers some sort of guarantee? guarantee? where we can get our fees and commissions back if we're not happy. so can you offer me what schwab is offering? what's with all the questions?

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you know, this could be a big deal. you see alec baldwin doing the president on "saturday night

live" and gets big laughs. but a former snl veteran says it's a little mean, rob schneider criticizing that, saying it sets the wrong tone and leaves snl biases out there for the world to hear. and ben stein, and veteran joe piscopo on that. did you work with schneider? >> no, he was on after me, everybody as on after me, i was there with abraham lincoln. neil: woodrow wilson. >> funny guy. neil: he's saying there's no question, there's a meanness, no soft spot for trump. >> everybody has got to lighten up. and alec baldwin is so great and you don't cut that. i don't mind that he does it, would i like to to see, offer this respectfully. how come we don't see bob

mueller or as my friend on the radio says, spongebob mueller. and he's like a mythical creature. neil: and dana carvey was bush in a warm and kidding way, but that's gone here. >> i don't know, listen, it's comedy, it's going to be rough and it is. neil: and you're-- both sides. >> no, people go after where they were from. neil: you're right. ben stein, when you see this sort of thing, do you pay attention, whether comedy gets too edgy? what do you think? >> i don't think it's funny at all. i don't think that alec baldwin is funny and i don't think that "saturday night live" has been funny sis morris was on 40 years ago. i'm sure mr. schneider was extremely funny, but i don't get what's funny about it at all with the greatest possible respect. neil: sure. >> i mean, it's just mean, vicious, nasty, unrelenting, and

a core of snobs and they smear all over him and endless contempt. i'm sick of seeing this kind of contempt from people in hollywood who deserves, to seems to me, their own contempt. >> as brilliant as ben stein is, i love you, ben, everybody's got to lighten up. everybody's got to lighten up. neil: and do you think that-- >> if you're funny, you're funny. you put it out there. neil: but an economist and a lawyer. you get what you get. >> you know. [laughter] >> no, but you've got to lighten up and laugh. neil: but if it goes too far-- no president likes fob kidded when i read the press reports, and read that john kennedy thought that the press wan on him and wow. and i understand that people smile at this sort of thing, but is there something to it? can you balance it out a little more? say something nice or find an

endearing quality, we all have them. >> the question is, is it funny then or edgy? maybe not. i'm-- >> well, you don't make -- baldwin makes him look like a satanic character. >> i guess so, i know how much is put into the sketches, you have a few days to write that, 48 hours, you're under the gun and-- you're under --. neil: your frank sinatra, brilliant. ben stein, do you think that people get their impression of the president via that? >> i know that young people do. young people have no idea of the president whatsoever. young people have no idea, this is a guy who came out of nowhere, won the election and nobody thought he could win, kept his promises, has been loyal to his base in a way that nobody else has ever been. no president has been before. this is a guy who has big, big plans for the united states of america and made progress in north korea. neil: can he be a-- >> this president can draw lots of laughs and sympathy and there

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>> president trump on his way to michigan later today. he'll be holding a rally with his supporters in the heartland. the optics looking much different from washington media's biggest black tie event of the year. leland: and the difference between the north and south korean leaders on the dmz. the president says he's getting ready for his high stakes talks with the hermit kingdom leader. elizabeth: there's outrage in england. a baby's life comes to a very sad end, this, after the government there says it wasn't worth keeping him alive. ♪