is avowing she's going to walk by graduation. most watched, trusted, most grateful you spent the evening with us, i'm shannon bream. ♪ >> tucker: welcome to "tucker carlson tonight" ," latr in the show our very own at liberal sherpabe will join us to explain why americans are suddenly banned from wearing asian clothes, cultural appropriation. also the boy scouts no longer assist, they are going general neutral because of course they are. mark steyn is no liberal sure about that he is bewildered by that. two bazaar but telling stories about our future here in americ america. you may have heard about a new battle between congress and the department ofwe justice. congressional republicans are demanding that deputy attorney general rod rosenstein

was a series of documentss related to the russian investigation. they plan to impeach him if he doesn't turn over thee information. so far, he has defiantly refused to do that. before you tune this out as yet another partisan arcane debate the kind that washington specializes in, here are the details because it's not that. there's a lot at stake there, far beyond the short-term political advantage of either party.of the russian investigation is completely dominated the business of government since the day trump took office. it's all anyone in washington can talk or think about, never mind the potential wars in asia in the middle east, or our own economy o and culture changing faster than anyone can suggest. in d.c., only the mueller investigation matters. you may wonder, what is the investigation about, what is he investigating? it turns out, almost nobody knows except rod rosenstein, he knows but he won't tell congres congress. last summer, he wrote a memo detailing the scope of the

independent counsel investigation.f key portions remain hidden from view. congress has every right to see them, our constitution requires our elected representatives to supervise the department of justice, why is that? so thathe bureaucrats with masse law enforcement and surveillance powers remain accountable to voters. we give them guns, let them arrest us, sentenced to prison allow them to break into our private email accounts, tap our phones, they have a lot of power. in return, they l promise not to misuse thatmi power. if there's any question about their honesty, we get to check. that's what transparency is. the permit bureaucrats hate transparency, they would rather do their work in secret. it is the shield that protects them from our scrutiny and not case.n this consider the house intelligence investigation into russian collusion. it took a year to complete, the final report ran to 253 pages. the rest of us couldn't read it because key facts were missing. how many trump associations asd

they spy on? sorry, it's redacted. is there any actual proof that the russian government directed tagging of the gnc and john podesta's gmail account? that's beenn redacted too. the report says the fbi agents thatat interviewed him didn't believe he was lying, but wait. he pleaded guilty to lying to those agents in his life was destroyed, he sold his house to raise money for his legal defense. what's going on here? we don't know. that information was redacted. why were all of these reductions made? wekn don't know that, we asked,o one would tell us. then there is the pfizer application to spy on trump campaign aide carter page, that hasn't been released either even though we have ample reason to believe the application may have been fundamentally illegitimate based on discredited partisan hearsay. jim comey denies this, he'she denied it repeatedly on his book

tour. just the other day he noted there is no way to check because it's classified. the joke is on us except it's not funny. almost nobody trusts the government anymore andgo that's one thing both sides can agree on. there's only one way to fix that. sunlight. stop lying and tell us what's going on. rod rosenstein has no intention of doing any of that. he compared the demands to a mafia shakedown, watch. >> there are people who have been making threats privately and publicly against me, and they i think they should understand the department of justice is not going to be extorted. any kind of threat that anybody makes are not going to affect the way we do our job. >> tucker: nobody elected rod rosenstein to anything or any of these people -- they work for us

behalf.ly on our and they want to explain what they are doing or why they are doing it, it is a sure sign always and everywhere they have begun to work against us, that's what it means. jodi it's hard to believe that t happened that rod rosenstein about who i was r ambivalent, ad attack the congress over his department as mafia members in effect asking what the constitution demands which is oversight. >> the deputy attorney general disqualified himself from continued service in the justice.t of jeff sessions has an absolute responsibility to constant stomach call him into his office, that statement from a constitutional officer like rod rosenstein is disgraceful, it's an embarrassment to the

department but it's of a pattern of what he has done there since he arrived. he is arr careerist, he believes the department can do no wrong and he's going to resist calls for moreal information. you realize that he appointed a special counsel, someone he is very close to and who is very to james comey to investigate no crime and put this country through 15 at going on 16 months of interruptions of a new president, that tells you something about him. he is resisting all of this because he created the original sin o. on investigation of no crime. >> tucker: i'm confused, he has a gun, he has the power to arrest you are me, he has a lot of power. what does he think that power comes from if not from the congress and thehe voters who elected those members off congress? >> when you are as arrogant and as deep in the belief that you have been given a duty to do whatever you think is right for

the country and when you hate the president of the united states as i am now convinced he does, then you believe you can do anything and when the attorney general -- >> tucker: just because god made you all-powerful? the power comes from voters. that the only place it comes from. >> he does not understand it because as a careerist and someone who has never left government for a minute to speak of of any note, government is all he knows and for him, the most important thing is the next job. i can assure you the one thing he doesn't want to happen is to be held in contempt or to be impeached because he believesoe himself to be something very, very special and unaccountable bureaucrat. >> tucker: the doj, some great people who work there. i spoke to one of them today. why doesn't the congress, why doesn't the public have a right to know what this is about? this person said it's an ongoing investigation. i guess my argument would be the

public's need to know what this is about supercedes that. but tell me your view. >> the answer is it's not an ongoing investigation. there is no crime. they've already conceded that the president is not a target. they are asking most 49 questions that they want to ask the president and maybe even with a grand jury subpoena because they want to impeach the president. if this has nothing to do with a this has nothing to do with a criminal investigation. donald trump has done nothing wrong.in he's conspired with no one.ot the reason they are threatening to subpoena, go ahead, please issue the subpoena because it will be an unconstitutional subpoena, and illegal subpoena because there is no authority under federal law to issue a subpoena to a president of the united states to get testimony from him so it can be used in an impeachment proceeding. that use of the grand jury is illegal, absolutely illegal. >> tucker: it's going to be a debate that continues i have the feeling. thank you for that perspective. chris joins us now, a lawyer and

a radio show host. good to see you, chris. let's strip the politics out of this and take trump and even mueller and rosenstein for that matter and all the kind of partisan drama surrounding the story and ask a really simplele question, does the public have a right to know if it's government is spying on it and if so, why? and the details of the investigation that are the center of everyone's concern, why is the left so all of a sudden anxious to defend government secrecy?t >> i don't think anybody is defending government secrecy. i think what they are defending is a congress that is threatening to impeach somebody. that's what he was calling extortion. we had these battles between the justice department and the congress in the past over what congress should and should not be privy to. most of the reasons why theyt would not give congress access is for some national security reason and for fearing that congress may leak that information as we know mark meadows in the freedom conference wants to do. >> tucker: now you've moved into comedy. the executive branch of

government, which leaked transcripts of the president's conversations with foreign leaders is concerned that congress might be leaking. pardon me for the larry break. that's ridiculous. let me just say if there's a national security concern that is preventing the release of information that i think i have a right to see, what would that be? what exactly is that concern? let's be specific. >> congress leaked this memo before they had time to spell check in and edit it. let's be very clear here. >> i couldn't agree more. liberals always used to say don't lie to me about the national security concerns. that's merely a shield for your own corruption. it was liberals who led that fight for openness, for the sunshine laws, as you know. now they are saying shut up, t disloyal american, you have no right to know that because of national security. i'm going to ask the obvious question, what would be the national security concern to prevent me from knowing, forio example, what exactly happened

with mike flynn? >> i don't know. mike flynn pled guilty.or mike flynn pled guilty to a lesser crime. p i wonder what the higher crime was. that's what i would like to know. let me be very clear, he pled guilty to the lesser crime. >> tucker: everyone who pleads guilty is guilty.. this is the new liberal position. have you called barry scheck and told him that? you might be surprised. >> i don't think a person would plead guilty for no reason. >> tucker: are not here to defend flynn or anybody otherr than the right of americans to know what their government is doing.an in the house intel committee report which just came out and says the fbi agents who interviewed him did not detect deception in their interview. my understanding is he applied to a felony which stemmed from lying to those very agents. what is that about? i'm open minded.

that information is redacted.wh what concern without the redacted? why shouldn't i know that? >> is a partisan report that you are citing right there. >> tucker: why shouldn't i know? >> there's very, very little fact to that report.it the american people will give no credit and that's why they will be in the minority come january and we will have a real intelligence community. >> tucker: let's get back to the principle, which is is why don't i as an american who has increasingly lost faith in both parties and at my government, have a right to assess what the government is doing in my name and with my tax dollars? isn't that sort of basic request of citizenship? >> you absolutely do have a right. >> tucker: so why can't he exercise it? >> what he called extortion was the threat to impeach them. let me tell you something, try to impeach them. the president of the united states should try to fire mueller. they don't have the guts or the courage to do it. >> tucker: you are trying to bring it into partisan territory. i am asking a very simple question, which is why doesn't the congress of the

united states, which has constitutional oversight over the doj and over this rosenstein guy, why don't they have a right to see the documents on redacted? that's the core question. it's not impeachment. >> they do. they absolutely do. if they feel that the doj is not providing them documents, there is a process by which they can vote as an entire congress to get those documents and if they feel they are entitled to those documents they should go through that process. not threatened to impeach. >> tucker: they are going to the wrong process. so tell me, really quickly, why i can't see and settle the partisan debate forever the application to spy on american citizen carter page. comey says the dossier was not central. others who have seen it believe it was. why can't i see it? why shouldn't i know that as an american and as a journalist? >> congress can vote to give you

access to it and so can the president. if they wanted you to see it you would see it. there's a reason why the president doesn't want to see it.t. i don't know what that is. >> tucker: i want to know -- he showed and his lawyers are telling him not to and he'so wrong to follow their advice. my point is what's the actual justification? why shouldn't i see that? >> they are saying national security reasons and you know i don't like that answer either. >> tucker: it's a lie and you know it's a lie. >> that's why we have a >> that's why we have a congress. the congress has to vote on it. >> tucker: we don't need to vote on anything. why don't we just joined voices here and say as americans we have a right to know, but you don't want to do that because it's not in your partisan advantage. >> i am calling on congress right now to vote to let you see everything. and if there's a national security reasons they will figure that out too. >> tucker: keep going. thank you. an advisor to donald trump's presidential campaign joins us now. thank you for coming on.

>> thanks for inviting me. >> tucker: you've been interviewed by the mueller investigation. >> today at noon i spent three hours with investigators in the special counsel's office. >> tucker: what did you learn? >> i learned they are still looking at rush of collusion.co they are still looking for. i wouldn't be asked about charges of obstruction or ask about financial crimes. i was there during the time when they believed the russian collusion was initiated. that would be the only thing they ask me about. that is certainly the only thins we talked about. >> tucker: that's not the only thing you're talked about. >> that is the only thing we talked about. in my mind if anybody thinks russia collusion is off the table they haven't visited with the mueller team. >> tucker: was there russia collusion? >> of course not. i think they are looking downr: the avenues of all the evidence that they are putting together.. they know more about the trump campaign than anybody thatth worked there and they know more about what i did in 2016 and i do myself. >> tucker: i hope so. they spend a lot of money and a lot of time looking. what are they looking at specifically? what did you learn?

where do they think the collusion took place? >> i don't really want to interfere with the investigation, i was warned about that. >> tucker: they warned you not to talk about it? >> they warned me about interfering.rf >> tucker: exercising their freedom of speech? >> i get that. >> tucker: it's the center of our country.he >> my attorneys asked me to be careful. >> tucker: they are threatening and intimidating you then. that's what you're saying. >> are not going to befriending them on facebook. >> tucker: having not been charged or convicted of any crime, a prosecutor can threaten you to shut up in public. >> it's not nice, but if nothing compared to the 125,000 in legal bills that i have stacked up for nothing. it's nothing compared to the death threats that my family and i are getting. it's nothing compared to the piece of a sniper rifle that came in the mail to my wife last month. it's nothing compared to the way they are trashing my family. what's happening to me and my family is happening to many other people in thisipip w investigation and i'm just a witness.o

i can imagine if somebody is a subject or target what they aret going to go through. >> tucker: can i just back up for one second? you just spoke to the investigators today. when they suggested in the way that the mafia suggest maybe you shouldn't do that, what you think the penalty would be if you ignore that suggestion? >> i don't think there would be any penalty but i think i would be called back for a visit and every time i come to washington for this bogus investigation c whether it's the senate, the house or whatever, i get to pay another 20, 25 grand. >> tucker: so they just bankrupt you. no big deal. >> not just me. a tin cup isn't a good look but i've had to open up a go funding page. i certainly didn't sign up forp this one i went to work at the trump campaign and i will never, ever work on another republican campaign for as long as i live. i think this is a punishment strategy. i think they want to destroy the president, they want to destroy his family. they want to destroy his businesses. they want to destroy his friends so that no billionaire and let's say 50 years wakes up and tells his wife the country is broken

and only i can fix it. his wife will say are you crazy? did you see what happened tobr donald trump and everybody around him? that's what this is about. >> tucker: they have so intimidated you -- they are not charging you with anything, there's no allegation that you committed a crime, but they have so intimidated you that youch can't talk about your conversation on the show right now and you are retiring from campaign politics. >> i'm never going to work on a republican campaign in the somebody legally indemnifies me. clearly these lawsuits after the fact of the new democratic strategy.pa when you lose, you still win.ly i don't think anybody should work on a republican campaign. i think if you do you are crazy. my legal fees are going to be at least 125,000. that's more than i make in a year. that's more than where i live, that's more than most people inm my town make. i don't know how we are going to pay that off, me and my family. but that's washington. that's new york money. >> tucker: it's disgusting. >> i can tell you this.

>> tucker: we are almost out of time. >> they're looking at wikileaks, they're looking at d.c. leaks. everything that you are seeing in the media that has been leaked out there, that is certainly what they are looking at and i think they are pretty focused on this. >> tucker: it's unbelievable. thank you. godspeed. it's been seven months but new information is out dress tonight information is out just tonight from las vegas. police say they are finally ready to release body camera footage from the night of the massacre. why now? talk to retired fbi agent on that next.ht ♪ what is the power of pacific? it's life insurance and retirement solutions to help you reach your goals. it's having the confidence to create the future that's most meaningful to you. it's protection for generations of families,

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>> tucker: remarkably, it has ♪ >> tucker: remarkably, it has been seven months since stephen paddock murdered 58 people and injured will make injured hundreds more in his rampage, the largest in modern american history in las vegas at the mandalay bay hotel. now vegas police have finally today released body cam footage from that night. the newly released tapes include footage of the police walking through his hotel room, some of them walking past the hotel food cart that he used to monitor the hallway. former fbi special agent joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. why now and what does this mean? >> that's a great question. we don't know why it has taken this long. i know it went through the court system, the courts were veryak quick to go ahead and tell the police department that they had to release the information. where i'm concerned is we are seeing this trend throughout local, state and federal government where there's a moral superiority of our governmenter thinking that they can limit the american people what they are

entitled to view and not to view and that's really not to thet police department's purview to make that decision. >> tucker: here you have what they are saying is a single shooter crime in which the perpetrator is dead. so what could possibly be the justification for keeping anything secret in anan investigation whose outcome is already known? >> you are absolutely right.ee i think in this specific instance we see that being exploited by our government and we see that across the board, even for my former fbi days, some of the classification, i think it's nonsense to have all of this classification and then what that limits is the truth being known for the american public. we will never see the truth and all the information that the american public should be privy to. >> tucker: and it gives rise to suspicion and two alternative theories of the case and it makes people dislike and distrust their government.

we have any sense of motive here? people don't do things like this for no reason. do we know what he did? >> sheriff lombardo, he keeps on referencing that the release of this footage will go ahead and could further traumatize the victims and the families of the fallen on october 1st. i understand that. i can see from that vantagee point that releasing this footage, the body cam footage could cause further triggers, significant triggers for the victims and for the fallenth family members -- family members of the fallen. i'm a combat veteran who has experienced multiple combat traumas and actually one of my traumas that i did have the ability to view the footage helped in my closure after reviewing that video footage. it helped in the healing process. it's not up to our government to make that decision.d it's up to the individual person. i'm not saying it will happen in every case but it could help in the closure of this horrific event and allow for them to make the decision if they want to view it or not to view it. >> tucker: do know what causes

trauma and inhibits closure? the suspicion that people are lying to you. that you don't really know what happened and why. that's where we are now. unfortunately. thanks for joining us, i appreciate it. w nice to talk to you. >> you as well. >> don't ask me when you wake up one morning in the boy scouts are gone. that happened this morning. the venerable institution is b changing its name to be gender neutral, of course. we will tell you why, stay tuned.or hey! we didn't have a homeowners claim last year so allstate is giving us money back on our bill. well, that seems fair. we didn't use it. wish we got money back on gym memberships. get money back hilarious. with claim-free rewards. switching to allstate is worth it. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. that's it? everybody two seconds! "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations

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>> tucker: for more than 100 >> tucker: for more than 100 years the boy scouts have been a pillar of american life, but today they are gone, they disappeared. the boy scouts of america announced they will be changing them into scouts bsa to announce the decision to allow girls into the program.ey are admitting boys. also a new ad campaign attended to appeal to both genders. scout me in. not surprisingly sounds like one of hillary clinton's many campaign slogans. mark steyn joins us tonight forl a postmortem on the death of an american institution. this feels kind of like a watershed moment. maybe i'm overstating its importance. >> i don't think you are. one of the interesting things is that boy scouts were so universally presumed to be good that the very name became a synonym for being a good guy. two years ago, the first time any of us had heard of james comey, 90% of colonists and commentators said james comey is

renowned in washington as a boy scout. that's what it meant, the good guy. and the genius of the left is that in nothing flat they turned the good guys into the bad guys. i remember going to the democratic convention in los angeles in the year 2000 and some scouts came out bearing the flag and the democrats on the floor booed and i thought this is crazy, they are booing boy scouts.ou the decision in the '90s not to have gay scoutmasters. companies like disney said their employees could no longer give a charitable donation through disney to the boy scouts. basically the good guys were turned into the bad guys and that's why they rolled over on transgender scouts, they rolled over on girl scouts and now they have driven a stake through the heart of the institution and it is dead.

>> tucker: is happening on a larger stage because harvey weinstein was a pig, masculinity is criminalized. something is lost here. i want to ask you, it's making me so depressed that i have to move onto something happy, i'm sorry. i was never even in the boy scouts. it's one of the last wholesome, at least in my mind, places for boys. where else do they go? >> i was a lousy boy scouts, so you couldn't have been worsee than me. >> tucker: i was not impressive enough to be a boy scout. i was slouch shouldered and long-haired. nancy pelosi on a happier note says she sticking around gary on tuesday the democratic leader said she plans to run again for speaker if the democrats when the house, and they may. republicans love this. democrats are terrified, but here's my question, why arest democrats so afraid ofof nancy pelosi? they don't want to have a speaker but none of them will h say that to her because she

holds this mystical power over them, why? >> she has said things that would take out any normal politician. we have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it. she's in favor of open borders and yet at the same time she is in favor of mandatory contraception use so that no americans were already here have any children. she's a massive contradictions and inane statements. but unlike republican leaders, she is a ruthless operator and if you are a democrat and you run up against nancy pelosi, it's not going to work out too well for you. she's serious and she's telling them back off because when we went back in november i'm going to be the speaker, don't get in my way.io >> tucker: a massive contradictions and statements but the daughter of the mayor of baltimore, she knows how to count votes and she's tough and toughness in the end is

decisive. do think it sort of a measure how weak a lot of democratic members are that they are afraid of a 78-year-old former speaker? >> a lot of people on the democratic side, she's actually a young whippersnapper. bernie sanders -- use of the boy scouts were 108 years old. i think bernie sanders was one of the original members back in whatever it is, 1910. she is a beautiful young thing compared to most of the democrats. >> tucker: i think bernie was a young pioneer, for the record. >> that's right. >> tucker: in a speech to high school kids today, michelle obama said this, watch. >> i know that you are me and if i can be standing here as your forever first lady then you can do anything you put your mind to. y >> tucker: you are me. brought it back to me. but whatever.

>> i don't actually like the idea of -- there's a term for a forever first lady, it's queen. and i think there's something on republican about this. when i hear it in context like that i do wonder if she's just reading out some sappy soft rock song because that's what it sounds like. i know that you are me, you are my forever first lady. >> tucker: [laughs] >> number 37 in 1988, kenny loggins or something like that. james taylor, john kerry flew james taylor. you are my forever first lady. it's a great song but it is on republican. i think the best term for michelle obama is mrs. obama. i don't believe in this practice of extending governor and senator titles for life. you are better off with the

dukes because titles like that are in the gift of the people. the people withdraw them, you go back to being mr. and misses. >> tucker: and if you can't take my appendix out i'm not calling you doctor. a remix of that song, i'm speechless. thank you. >> it's a great song. number 37 in 1988. ask casey case, it was a huge hit. >> tucker: he's gone now. thank you. great to see you, mark. >> thanks. >> tucker: college is getting worse and more expensive by the year. that's not speculation, it's objectively true. is there an alternative to it? finale of our series, is college worth it, is next.pe ♪ is college worth prepare for your demise, mr. billingsley! do your worst, doctor. i will. but first, a little presentation.

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parents and the governments and society more broadly. tnd every year it costs far more to go to college and it did in the previous generation. those costs are rising far faster than inflation. most students need tens or evenn hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans to even go to college and get what they learn there is not impressive. the classes themselves are teaching less the number unless it's extremist political ideology.belo but even if colleges failing, most students feel they have no choice but to go there, there just aren't options. some people are working assiduously to change that. isaac moorhouse is the founder of the start-up that promotes apprenticeships as alternatives to college degrees and he joins us now. thanks for coming on. t >> thanks for having me here.oi >> tucker: this is a tough pitch. we spent the last month working on this and talking to peoples who go to college and looking at it from all angles and one thing you hear from almost everyone in college or planning to go is that i know it's too expensive and i know i'm not going to learn much and there are other downsides, but i don't have a choice. how do you make the pitch to

sort of high aptitude middle-class kids who could go to a four-year college, what you tell them to convince them not to? >> those are exactly the type of people that we work with. the good news is the degree is dead. i'm not overstating it. it is a myth that you needed to degree to start a career. unless you want to be a doctor or a lawyer or heaven forbid a bureaucrat or a professor, you don't need a degree and the best and brightest are realizing this and they are getting started in their career now.t t oror if you are sitting in the classroom, you are not -- you are going to get left behind frankly. we can point to the hundreds of people that we've worked with and we've placed them in apprenticeships and they've gonp on to get great job. many of those jobs, by the way if you just look at a job posting they will say degreeat required but it's actually not true. employers just want to know that you are going to create value for them and there are so many ways that you can prove that better than just that dead piece of paper.

>> tucker: one of the things employers want is an assurance that someone has vetted you and that you are smart and that yout kind of have your act together, that you have high aptitude but also the capacity for achievement. without a degree, how do you convince them of that? >> it's funny that you mention that. a friend of mine who is a ceo, i just saw a tweet of his recently, he did a little bowl and it's not scientific but this is very much in line with hundreds of ceos and hiring managers i've talked with. he said if you only knew this about someone, would you rather hire, someone who had run a marathon or someone with a degree? 85% of the person who had run a marathon. that's just one example. that's one of those things that signals a lot of things at once. you can go out and create projects and say i built this, i did this.ut you can start offering to do some projects, do some work for free. you can go and build up kind of a portfolio that showcases some of your skills and interests. figure out what you are interested in. build some actual skills and start working on things. if you just think about for a

minute, zoom out.ct if you were to enroll in college in the fall three year from now you would still be in the classroom. if you were to go this fall and do something like praxis and you are building a body of work in three years you will have threes years of professional experience under your belt. you will have so much more to leverage into a great job, a great career. >> tucker: that's absolutely right and there's a huge lobby of people whose job it is to lie to you and convince you otherwise, but it is a lie. in the minute we have left give us the pitch for praxis. 18-year-old, decent grades, finds course, i could get into t solid four-year college, instead i go to praxis and what happens then? >> we are all about launching careers and if you don't want that, if you want a drinking party that your parents won't be proud of go to college, by all means. if you want to launch your career you will need more than that. you will have to quit playing around and get out and do some real work and we have a boot camp, a professional boot camp or we put you through just really identifying your skills and doing real projects and things as i mentioned to kind of signal, to prove i built this, s

can do this and then we place you would start ups where you are doing a paid six months apprenticeship on-site and you are learning from entrepreneurs and you walk away at the end of the program, almost all of our grads, 96% get a full-time job at the end. that's what we do at praxis and i think it's just the beginning of this revolution. >> tucker: i want to force my kids to do that. thank you. great to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: truly i hope that you and others offer an alternative to a system that is broken and collapsing in my view. >> absolutely. >> tucker: good job. up next, a high schooler was shamed on twitter by thousands of angry liberals for daring to where a chinese dress to the prom. the problem, she wasn't chinese and it's not allowed according to them. what is going on?e liberal sherpa cathy areu will lead us through the maze of cultural appropriation next. ♪ ♪ come fly with me, let's fly, let's fly away. ♪

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♪ >> tucker: a ♪ >> tucker: a high school senior in utah was subject to public shaming, a lot of it, from across the country because is of the dress that she she wore to prom. watch. >> a single post with a one-word caption and for photos changed everything. >> i was accused of racism, cultural appropriation. i didn't mean any harm or racist intent. >> tucker: the dress she wore is called the jeremy lim tweeted this. my culture is not your [bleep] prom dress. almost 180,000 likes. ironically it isn't actually from china originally.

it was appropriated from a neighboring nine chinese culture, but whatever, details don't matter in 2018. found a publisher of catalina magazine and is of course our liberal sherpa guiding us through the labyrinth of this modern world. it's great to see you. thank you for coming on. >> hi. >> tucker: i get it, she unintentionally but still appropriated a cultural talisman from a culture that is not hers. does this go both ways? does this mean that chinese people are wearing neckties, which is a western invention. are they committing cultural appropriation by doing that? >> what she did is almost like an exploitation of a culture. she's exploiting it. it's appropriation because she is taking advantage of a culture she doesn't really know much about. i don't think a chineseoe businessman doesn't understand the western culture.e. he understands what the tie is. he understands what the suit is. she has no idea what this dress

meant or what it's about and she didn't even appreciate it. one of her comments was it'sth just effing dress.. this is a culture. she borrowed a culture and she cared so little to appreciate it. >> tucker: if she had loved the dress more would it have better? >> she said she loved it because it would give her attention. she loved the attention it would give her. then she took those pictures and is poses that i think she thought were asian posers but they were actually promoting some youtube or that is controversial in itself.tuntnt and she's praying to papa john's pizza. that's what that pose is. that was in a pose that is appreciating a culture. that is a pose mocking a culture and promoting -- >> tucker: the papa john's culture? >> it's a youtube.

>> tucker: this is not the only form of cultural appropriation from china. people use chopsticks. chinese food. college students have chinese characters whose meaning they don't know tattoo on their bodies.. are all of those out-of-bounds now too? >> they say appropriation and appreciation is a fine line. >> tucker: i've noticed. >> apparently she didn't understand that. she maybe is not a racist but what she did was a form of racism. we don't know if she's a racist. >> tucker: what you're sayingf is why people ought to stick to white culture and celebrate white culture?is >> no. >> tucker: you are not saying that? so what are you saying? i thought you were saying that white people should stay in their lane and just stick withth white culture and celebrate their own culture and, is thate what you are saying? >> she clearly uses it for personal gain. she was in the middle of all of those photos. she put it on twitter, on facebook. it was for attention. it wasn't like eating chinese food -- >> tucker: people actually wear dresses for attention. i wonder, what about people from other cultures, from asian cultures who dye their hair blonde but don't fully

understand the culture of blondn menace, is that cultural appropriation? >> it's not a majority culture taking advantage of a minority culture. it's not someone dipping into a culture and using elements for personal gain. >> white americans are a tiny percentage of the culture of course. a >> they did it in utah. >> tucker: let me ask you. >> a minority culture. to mock people from elsewhere. >> tucker: i don't know if she was mocking. this raises a question about assimilation. f assimilation, which we thought for hundreds of years is a good thing, is the process of cultural appropriation. i come in and i take parts of your culture and make them my own. i adopt your culture. we thought that was good, but now the idea is that everyone

stays in their own culture and of course by definition hates every other culture. >> there's assimilation and there's appropriation. she didn't do this to assimilate and get to know a culture, she did it to enjoy for an evening, get as much fame and publicity out of it as she could on do facebook and twitter and social media and just stepped right. how convenient. how convenient. >> tucker: when someone from dubai flies on the airplane which was of course invented by the wright brothers at kitty hawk, why isn't that -- and just gets on the plan and a glass of champagne and doesn't think about the contribution of these ohio brothers to flight that's not cultural appropriation? >> perhaps they are.hi i don't think they are getting -- they are not hurting anyone and they are not offending anyone by doing so. when she put on that dress shein hurt and offended others and that's what happened. >> tucker: she really hurt them. a maybe she should go to prison. we will discuss that next week. >> maybe. >> tucker: we will digest all of that and come back with a verdict.

>> tucker: holy smokes. what a fun hour that was. hope you enjoyed it. wewe did. tune in every night at 8:00 to the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, andhe groupthink. we'll be back tomorrow, the next night, and forever more. for now, sean hannity from new york city from new york city. >> sean: tucker, great show. we have a great show. the president's attorney, rudy giuliani, is in the studio for an inclusive interview. the deep state is working to malign and destroy the presidency of donald trump, the person duly elected by you, the american people. tonight, we will break down exactly why ever to occur tiered justice system is targeting this administration. we will show you the extreme measures that robert mueller is taking and others are taking to delegitimize this president and everyone who supports him. breaking tonight, president trump is now beefing up his legal team in order to navigate the special counsel's, well, off the rails investigation. in my opinion, make no