>> happy thursday. outnumbered starts now. >> fox news alert surprising new details in the stormy daniels controversy. now, rudy guiliani revealing president trump reimbursed his long-time lawyer michael cohen for that $130,000 payment to the adult film star. guiliani says the president did not know the money was going to daniels. and insists nothing illegal happened on behalf of his campaign. this is "outnumbered." i'm sandra smith, host of kennedy on fox business, kennedy. hoe coast of cox fox and friends weekend abby huntman. fox news analyst marie harff. and editor and choef of the daily caller news foundation

chris bedford. he is outnumbered. i joke i'm sitting next to kennedy, i'm going to uncontrolly giggle or laugh during this hour. >> yea! >> welcome. >> thanks for having me back. >> good to have you back. rudy juliany saying president trump repaid his lawyer michael cohen for unspecified expenses. mr. trump was unaware the money was going to daniels and didn't become aware until after the case went public. the announcement raising any questions since quo hen previously said he did not receive reimbursement for the payment. guiliani weighing in earlier today. >> it was definitely reimbursed. no doubt about it. >> why did he say he wasn't? >> maybe, maybe -- first of all, if we had to defend this it's not being a campaign contribution, i think we do that. this was personal reasons. this was the president had been hurt personally. not politically, personally so much.

and the first lady. by some of the false allegations that one more false allegation, 60 years old, he was trying to help the family. >> president trump tweeting this morning, mr. cohen and attorney received a monthly retainer not from the campaign and having nothing to do with the campaign from which he entered into through reimbursement of private contract between two parties known as a nondisclosure agreement or nda. these agreements are very common among celebrities and people of wealth. stormy daniels' attorney firing back. >> if anybody thinks that donald trump wrote those tweets, then they haven't been paying attention over the last couple of years i don't know the lawyer that wrote this. that lawyer is a moron. because now he or she has subjected the president to yet another potential lawsuit for defamation. i have never seen a group of people that can't shoot straight.

i mean, these folks make the watergate burglars look competent. >> chief white house score respondent john roberts live at the white house. things changing by the hour. >> they are, but clear that yesterday at some point the president and the president's outside attorneys including roudie yulianie and jay sekulow said the best thing to do is get ahead of it. to say that this could not have been a campaign contribution, the president paid for it ultimately on the of his own personal funds. what's most interesting about this whole thing, is the staff at the white house had no clue what was going on. you can see that might be a prudent legal strategy because if you wall yourself off from the white house operation, you can really keep it in the realm of this being a personal payment. but there's no question it was a bombshell when rudy juliany dropped on it hannity. watch as it unfolded. >> they funneled it to a law firm. >> funneled it to the law firm and the president repaid it.

>> oh. i didn't know -- >> he did. >> there's no campaign finance law. >> zero. just like everything -- sean, sean, everybody was nervous about this from the beginning. i wasn't. i knew how much money donald trump put into that campaign. i said $130,000? he's going to do a couple of checks for $130. when i heard cohen reece taner of $35,000 when he was doing no work for the president, i said that's how he's repaying -- how he's repaying it. with a little profit and a little margin for paying taxes. >> sandra, guiliani saying that the president did not know what the money was going to be used for. he basically just created a retainer fund. michael cohen could draw off of for expenses that never were reported back to the president. which a lot of people are finding curious. the reason that they have done this, now, they believe that the heart of the case, u.s.

attorney's office for southern district of new york, against michael cohen relates to a potential f.e.c., federal lex commission, violation of an illegal campaign fund. at a midnight conversation with rudy juliany, he said to me this takes that off the table. now, can you probably argue legally one way or the other whether it does, in fact, or whether it puts you in more legal jeopardy. one thing that seems to have been illuminated, is i don't know if you want to say a contribution or flat-out untrue statement, back on february 13, michael cohen, when this first became public, said neither the trump organization nor the trump campaign was a party to the transaction with's m clifford, stormy daniels, neither reimbursed me for the payment directly or indirectly. we know that's not the case. maybe it wasn't the campaign that reimbursed him, but cohen did get reimbursed for this whole thing. i want to play one other statement from michael avenati, stormy daniels' lawyer.

he was doing a stoopy dance this morning. listen here. -- a snoopy dance. >> our case got exponentially better in the last 24 hours. we knew we could prove this but we didn't know we'd have rudy juliany appear on sean hannity and do it for us on a wednesday night. the importance can't be overstated. this isn't about sex, not what happened between stormy daniels and donald trump in the bedroom, not what happened in 2006 or 2007. i've been saying all along, this is about a coverup, it's about lies told to the american people, it's about people trying to pum the wool over people's eyes. >> in a's his perspective. you can imagine it was quite the startling difference from the white house perspective. guiliani telling me, this is going to be embarrassing but let's take the hit, get out in front of this, and take this off the table in terms of a campaign finance violation. sandra? >> a lot to dig into, john roberts at the white house for us, thank you.

so cohen said that trump had incurred these expensesnd he paid them on his behalf, and that guiliani saying trump is not aware that that money was then going to stormy daniels. what do you make of all of this that we're learning on this? >> stormy daniels and her attorney are a side act. they have nothing to do with whether or not the president will be the president in a year or two, or what his legacy is going to be. i think we've seen shift obviously in the legal strategy. the first thing you see, one of the first things is ty cobb is out. if you are on a legal team or political team and you lose an argument then it's time to go home. obviously you aren't in charge. guiliani is now in charge of the legal team it seems. some of the things we've heard are the leak of the mueller questions, a broad attack on mueller. and a p.r. campaign that says these questions are out of line, we aren't going to talk about them. then we see the cohen thing. he's probably told the president, your lawyer has now been raided, he's being possibly investigated for bank fraud.

this is somebody who is on your side, under attack, we need to go after him and get clear of the campaign finance rules, get clear of the bank fraud stuff, we node to trace down where the money came from. seems like a new regressive strategy from the trump legal team. >> kennedy what's going on here? >> if you can't pay off a porn star in this country, these are no longer the united states of america. [chuckling] number one. number two, i think that you have two guilianis here. brilliant legal mind, sht rude politician who can be helpful to the president. but then you have the rudy guiliani who lacks self awareness, tends to shoot from the hip, and says things that, you know, perhaps he intended to say that michael cohen had been paid off. i think part of that was weighing the campaign -- potential campaign finance violations versus the president's reputation for being enskonlsed with some one like

ms. clifford. they rowlize that the campaign finance issue that, may be the bigger legal fish they have to reel in. guiliani was trying to take care of that. but at the same time, he opens up the president to so much more skepticism and criticism saying that michael cohen was there to take care of these things. that's what is problematic, there might be other things like that, that were paid for by the wolf, by the cleaner f there's a pattern of that, that's what i would be concerned with. not stormy daniels, go away michael avenati. john roberts said it right, he's doing a snoopy dance, this is what he wanted. isn't there a messaging problem. john roberts alluded to that. president trump and his team they have been behind continuously when it comes to the stormy daniels story. why not two months ago when it came public and the president realized where the money went. why not come out then and articulate and be transparent with the american people who went on, exactly what he knew.

and articulate that with the white house. there has to be a frustration. they're doing their jobs every day, they are trying to do their best. but they seem out of the the loop. >> john roberts said that, he said the white house staff did not know last night that rudy guiliani was going on hannity and put it out there. this is a story we're talking about self-inflicted wound, we have four or five different stories whether cohen got repaid yes or no. whether the president knew. when did he know. what did he know. kennedy is right, it was interesting rudy said, yeah, there was almost like he didn't use the term but like a slush fund where the president just kept paying to michael cohen to take care of issues. so, are there other issues. and like abby said without being transparent with the drip, drip, drip and the changing stories they open up to a credibility issue. >> what about the politics to this, what's the threat here, bank frautd is a threat. campaign finance breaking the campaign finance laws is a

threat f you go to the average trump voter and say what if i told you donald trump was with a porn star does that change their vote in the elections? he's trying to get ahead of the politics. >> see how women, independent women vote in the mid terms. >> that's why they waited and that's why he realized if you're going to change your story it's more important. instead of having a forceful moralist denial, oh, these allegations are disgusting, they really tap dance around that careful buy because i think most people don't care. doesn't matter whether or not you care, the legality of the campaign finance issue is a much bigger picture. >> meanwhile, rudy guiliani way weighing in on the in person interview with mueller as part of the russia probe, telling john roberts in a radio interview he believes the special counsel is desperate to make a case against the president and that he worries about a potential perjury trap. adding a sit-down could still be

possible if mueller narrows the scope of questioning and agrees to a time limit of two to three hours. guiliani saying this on hannity last night. >> i would hike to get one not under oath, i'd want a videotape -- not video tape, audiotape, i want to make sure they don't misrepresent his answers. but this is an outrageous miscarriage of justice. >> coming at a pivotal time for the president's legal team. ty cobb who represents the commander in chief in the russia probe is retiring at the end of the month and will be replaced by emmett flood who served as counsel for former president bill clinton during impeachment proceedings in 1998. so desperate to make a case against trump, he says robert mueller is. what do you think i think that's why guiliani directed the leak outside the legal team. we don't know that for sure but seems likely. if you look at mueller's questions and he is in charge of investigating whether or not there was collusion between the

campaign and the russian government to put donald trump in the white house and then do favors for russia. you look at this, it's two days worth of questions when you add on -- tack on the add-ones. most of them what were you thinking when you saw this. what were you thinking, why did you say this in an interview with maria bartoromo, why did you do this. none of it has to do, maybe one question with collusion. guiliani is going to say let's rein it back in, define the parameters. >> this is what is so interesting about rudy guiliani's media strategy, he has a real job and a big job in dealing with the mueller investigation. not to go out and explain the stormy daniels payment. just from a rudy guiliani perspective he should focus on that, getting the new attorney, emmett flood, up to speed, he has to go through the documents they have produced which will take a long time. and i think trying to negotiate terms of an interview in the public is not likely to endear him to mueller. >> you can't do an interview, if you're guiliani, you can't do an

interview and they don't ask. >> i know. >> that goes back to the messaging problem. you are right, chris, we have seen a different strategy with the new attorneys around president trump a at more aggressive. fighting this thing until the end, they aren't going to do anything they don't want to do. the american people want it to be over with. they want to get back to daily business. so much going on in the world. let's move on, focus on the most important issues of the day. i think the biggest question that will be asked is about paul manafort. napolitano was saying did the president know of any effort between paul manafort and the russian government to impact the election in some way. that is where the collusion is involved in the whole conversation. can the president answer. that i don't no what the answer would be. >> it's interesting you talk about the american people that want to move on from this. they see the problems that we have, north korea for example and the potential upcoming summit with the president. and rudy guiliani made that case this morning, he has to be

preparing for the potential meeting with kim jong-un, i can't be preparing him for what is silly deposition. listen to this. >> this is the. united states. this is the president. he's getting ready to negotiate one of our most historic agreements, we have to prepare him for a silly deposition? about a case in which he supposedly colluded with the russians but there's no evidence of that? everybody forgets the basis of the case is dead. >> kennedy? >> what would you rather have the president focusing his energy on. >> north korea. >> that's a very valid question. i am one of the people, i believe that the president should sit down for this. as a politician and in order to get the whole thing just out of the way, i agree that those interview questions whoever leaked them, for what reason, you know, who knows. but there are way too many, wake way too long. hillary clinton sat with the fbi for 3 1/2 hours. i think that's a fair amount of time. >> ultimately the big question, do you want to see the president

sit down and answer these questions of robert mueller? >> i think it would make for good tv but wouldn't be a good legal strategy for the tonight sit down with these investigators. the president doesn't necessarily do well in the past when he talking to lawyers and held on the record. >> precise answers are required. >> precise answers are required. fun to read through the legal trips in the past of -- transcripts, the president contradicts himself and he's too free wheeling, lacks the precision in that kind of situation where you face perjury. if they said it wasn't a charge where he could be perj you ared and you could have a conversation that might make sense. >> he may not have a chains choice. >> he may not. some of these are questions only he can answer. if we want mueller's probe to wrap up and we really want the truth about what happened in 2013. >> what were you think thinking when you went to bed? >> ho did you feel when james comey talked. >> no, but more what did you know about the --

>> those things aren't illegal. even if robert mueller says how did you feel about james comey's statements. if the president said he's a jerk, he's a giant drag of jerk-face idiot. that's not illegal. what's the point of the question? >> that's not a good question. but what did you know about the meeting in trump tower. what did you know when wikileaks had hillary's e-mails, that's percent in any event to the russian interference and we have a right to know the answers. >> did you go off word again? >> no, you say that i have this -- i don't know. >> practicing for her raid yaoo show. >> president trump signalling a potential deal to help americans held captive in north korea to get back home. what that means ahead of his planned summit with the north korean dictator. >> this is shaping up to be a gesture of good will by the north koreans, kudos to the president for working diligently to get them released. alright, i brought in new max protein

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past administration has long been asking for three hostages to be released from a north korean labor camp to no avail. stay tuned. the state department says it can't confirm the reports on the detainees, coming as trump's national security team met to discuss his planned summit with north korean dictator kim jong-un. sarah sanders on fox and friends this morning spoke about the detainees and the summit. >> certainly that would be an incredible step, certainly a sign of good will moving into the summit, moving into the discussions with north korea. certainly things are moving forward, and moving forward quickly. as the president said earlier this week we expect something to be out soon on more details involving that meeting. >> this is a fascinating but still tenuous situation. and these korean americans are not on american soil. they have not been fully released. what happens with this? >> we have no idea if they will be released. i will all comes from the south korean journalist with connections to the north and said they've been moved from the labor camp.

that's a good sign. probably will be released, because kim is facing nuclear annihilation at the end of his regime, it's easy to get status, releasing three prisoners, since everything he's done, unlike lis predecessors, going to the olympics, he's still keeping labor camps and hundreds of thousands of people. going through the same steps that his father went through when he said i'll knock down a reactor, some yurnlist can come, in i want a nuclear-free world. he's getting applause, and all of the things something has changed. i think the main thing we'll face in the negotiations if it happens he doesn't get a visit from bill clinton, that's not the chariot at the end of the road here for him. what is at the end of the road is the threat of total war from president donald trump. if he needs to survive the four to eight years if he wants to be alive. >> he's getting a chris it with the president at the begin -- visit from the president at the beginning of the negotiation. >> a pledge to denuclearize. >> the regime has promised that

but they've never followed through in the past. we have to take that with a grain of salt before we secrete action. >> releasing the hostages isn't that something tangible that shows so far this has been much more of a success? >> that would definitely be a good sign. i want all of us to be careful, there's been reporting to have people be as more careful until they're out of north korea at the last minute this regime is so crazy, they could change their miepdz. this happened when we had a couple of folks released in the last eight years. once they're out i think this will be a very good sign that there's some positive 340e men tum heading into the -- momentum heading into the summit. we have to be cautiously operate miss lick about what will come out of this. this is the start of a long process of negotiation. >> i think the president made it clear. he set certain expectations about what is going on. we hope for the best. everyone should, this isn't political, everyone should be cheering for success. but he's saying if north korea does not follow through on denuclearizing their country and follow through on the things we're asking for one of them is

the prisoners, we're going to walk away from the table. imagine how powerful that image would be after the summit if the president were to fly home with these prisoners. that would be a huge moment, not just history between north korea and america and the world but doing something as you said, chris, administrations have tried to do for years and years. what's different, everyone is waiting for something to be fishy here. not all of it adds up. like six months ago we were going to all-out war with north korea. what has changed is kim jong-un can say he has fulfilled the chrome of his dad and grand dad, they built up the nuclear program, now we can open up to the west. >> i hear skepticism from you, marie, and rightly so, i think everybody on the couch is, and everybody in the world is watching and has reasons to be skeptical of this. however to get to this point, do you credit the president for getting us to the point that we are at now? >> i do, absolutely. and i think that -- >> what is he doing differently that past administrations

haven't been able to do? >> i think that his threat, like you said, the threat of nuclear i nielation, i've said before -- annihilation, the madman theory of world politics doesn't always work. here it might have worked a little bit. >> it worked with madmen. >> kim jong-un is convinced donald trump will attack north korea to protect the united states. >> the steps that the u.s. takes before a major attack, the things where people go silent, communication is broken, the military is just in a prone position to attack, have been taken by thissed a mshgs. they notice. >> but the opposite theory of the case is that kim jong-un feels like he has a position of strength, he's tested missiles that can reach the united states, he says, they're pretty far along in their nuclear and missile programs. and he is now offering to give things up. but that's not a genuine offer. and if they're going to keep trying to trick us like they always have. >> don't underestimate the role of china. president trump, a lot of people giving him credit. i think it's deserved on putting

pressure on china, they stap -- >> marginallizing china with the discussions and we're not talking about china at all right now. in regards to the diplomacy and the peace process. china has the entire time been appeasing north korea. they have been allowing them to have the nuclear proliferation and starve their own people. what they have done is not only immoral it's criminal. >> the military is coming for them. >> that with the sanctions is the fear, the realization that this could be the end, plus the sanctions perhaps finally working. >> classic deal, you throw everything you can at the ball and hope you get something out of nothing. >> the art of the donald. >> it is. available now. >> see how it ends. >> well there is an epic showdown looming in the mid terms as president trump and republicans turn up the heat on montana's democratic senator jon tester hoping to derail his re-election bid. could the red state democrats

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manchin and joe donnely with the list expected to grow. the advisor cautioned this is one part of their overall political strategy. that strategy, what do you think? >> well, they are obstructist. but the problem is they're campaigning in their home states. there's never been an election with party in power has so many seats in the opposition that are up for grabs ever, ever, in u.s. history. mitch mcconnell right now, senate majority leader, is allowing the senators to work less than half a week and go home and campaign, campaign, now the president can say, hey, why aren't you confirming my nominees. he should look to the senate republicans and say why are you allowing these guys under threat of losing their seats to go home, spend four days raising money in california, massachusetts, campaigning in their home states that trump won and not confirming the appointees, they should be working seven days a week through august. d.c. in august is terrible. >> you think this is a good thing to have the president

getting this involved in the mid terms? >> it's a good question. a lot of it depends on what the mood is in the particular states or particular districts. they're very different. the three that you mentioned, west virginia for example, he's still well liked in some of the places. so if you're joe manchin, that's a tough place to be campaigning. i love your thoughts on what the message is. if you are a democrat campaigning in a red state, and you're not there doing the job, you're just obstructing as president trump is blaming them for, what are you trying to get votes off of what you are doing. >> a lot of these red state democrats have voted for a lot of president's nominees. they have tried to vote with him when they felt like they could. and what is interesting, in west virginia for example, joe manchin is a popular ex-governor who is very moderate and going up against a republican field, there's three candidates in the primaries, we saw in the debate that we held on, to, none of whom are perfect candidates. all of whom are flawed candidates. that's why you see the national

republicans concerned n a lot of the states they haven't found candidates that are strong enough to take on some kwon like a joe manchin pretty popular, who has voted with the president on a number of occasions. >> it's tough, kennedy, i talked to karl rove, it row minded him of 2006 when george w. bush was in that place he wasn't as popular in some places. you have to be strategic about the places you go and don't go. that can have an impact on the ultimate result. >> absolutely. in some places the president's message what he campaigned on still very, very popular even if the president himself is polarizing. and that's why they have to find the balance between using his personality and using those critical issues, especially in states where there's a good deal of optimism but they have yet to field the economic reality -- feel the economic reality of improving economy elsewhere. >> another democrat president trump has been targeting lately, montana senator jon tester for pushing allegations that helped derail the nomination of his

v.a. secretary nominee, dr. ronny jackson. they hope to topple his bid, saying he's vulnerable in november. the go o.p. arm began airing a statewide ad highlighting mr. trump's charge that tester's actions were a disgrace. watch this. >> spreading flat-out lies. >> tester started throwing out things that he's heard. . it's a disgrace to montana. >> what jon tester did to this man is a disgrace. >> trump is right. it's time for jon tester to go. >> republican groups also focusing on tester's support for legislation protecting swaut cities and hi tieses to his party's liberal wing like elizabeth warren, they sent out a fundraising agreement for republicans. i'd love your thoughts on this one. no one knew who hoe was. you think about where he could have gone quietly to the white house behind closed doors and say identify concerns about ronny jackson can you look at

this and then we can see if we want to have a hearing or not. he dragged ronny jackson through the mud publicly. you understand why the president is upset, a lot of people are upset the way he handled that, should he be concerned in montana. >> it's possible. montana is a strange state. montana has ranchers, cowboys. >> it's a lovely state. >> beautiful. >> it has a lot of hippies, environmentalists, strange mix of people and independent minded. >> trump won that state by 24. but they've shown they're willing to vote for liberals and conservatives on the same ballot, strange. tester probably overreached here. he attached a rear admiral and attacked his honor and attacked in ways that were shameful. you have to go home and explain to your children, not just he did this or that. these are personal. the secret service came out and said this isn't a real thing. >> one of them isn't true. >> that's not true, there were two. the car wrecks and the hotel, the secret service said they had no record of either of those. >> here's the challenge for tester.

>> that's an issue. if you are going to be the savior you better be right f you're going to throw bombs and do something that salacious in a hyper politicized environment like this you better be damn separate. >> he had anonymous sources. >> but they're current and former service members who have served with ronny jackson who came to senator tester as the ranking member. senator tester has voted for every single one of donald trump's vs. a. nominees, put forward eight bills for the v.a. that donald trump has signed. he has a strong record of supporting veterans which i think he will be talking about during the campaign. it's the white house, if they properly vetted ronny jackson they would have found these accusations on their own. if they weren't true they could have fact checked them. >> if you were the candyman, why did president obama your hero and savior love him, why did he speak of him in glowing terms, if you work for three presidents, you have been vetted. and the issue is not credibility. but can a person -- going out in

public and saying that he was the candyman, and the implications of that. >> you have people's lives on the line, that is a bigger part of this thing. >> was he capable of running a jienld, behemoth agency with 13 agency dependent veterans who need to it run smoothly and have choices for their healthcare. that's the question. >> the way jon tester handled that is what people hate about politics. >> i think he felt a responsibility with service members coming to him with these concerns. >> why not go to the white house and say i have these concerns. >> so the committee chair, and a number of other republicans, did go to the white house over concerns about these allegations. and concerns that ronny jackson was not being honest with them in their meetings about whether he had been part of an i.g. report. he was far from a perfect candidate. jon tester, i think, did what he believed was the right thing to do to help the v.a. you may argue whether he should have done it publicly but when

you talk about the re-election campaign i think he will be fine. >> what does it say about the media, throw out allegations with all of these anonymous sources. >> we do that on a lot of issues. >> but they run with it. >> they do. >> it's a reminder to be careful and thoughtful about it. >> the media has gone off the rails, they're terrible, they assume malice. one thing you can't do in jumpism. is there another expa plagues, why wouldn't this have come out. if senator tester played vicious and personal politics and may have lost on this one. >> from the liberal wing of the democratic party, did you see the letter from senator warren asking for money. >> that isn't helpful. >> reminds me of my big brothers in oklahoma. it's not just the flat top haircut. he's not going to let himself get bullied by anyone. >> and if you are talking about a politically interesting and diverse state like montana, love notes from liz warren don't help your cause. >> hmm. >> i agree. >> watch that state closely and the other ones. jeff sessions showing he means business, the big announcement from the nation's top law

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you. >> reinforcements on their way. attorney general jeff sessions beefing up legal resources at the california border to help deal with the caravan of migrants trying to enter the country. sessions saying the team of judges and prosecutors will help stem the backlog of cases and send a message that the nation's laws will be enforced. so far, more than 50 asylum seekers from the caravan crossed

into the u.s. from the border entry near san diego according to the group's organizers. chris bedford, attorney general sessions is sending 35 additional u.s. attorneys and 18 immigration judges to help stem the tide and deal with the people. it's not that high of a number coming over the border. >> not the number of people that matters, only 50. it's the point that the organizers of the caravan had. they were trying to do a legal challenge to the u.s. they were coming, saying we're coming, we're coming, cameras on it, they had media down there. they're trying to make the case that economic immigrants are refugees. this is the same thing -- >> asylum. >> asylum seekers. the left won in europe, made the case people fleeing turkey, or central africa, coming because they were being kas herred by isis when isis was only in one place. because of that, theure pea answer said we can't let this happen. then let in a million people. >> and narco-terrorists, the

drug cartels have a stranglehold on the countries economically and politically. and their way of life, standard of living, is incredibly low and depressing. >> there are criminals in these countries but that doesn't make it the united states responsibility to take everyone from that country and say you're an american citizen? >> we have a process for asylum seekers on the books. they can apply for asylum if they show up at the border. >> they have to be vetted and make a vais case. >> how do you vet, how can you absolutely know. you hear stories and kennedy says they're heartbreaking, sad to see what goes on. there's a reason they skip mexico and come straight here, we are the best country in the world. >> they started as 1,700 and whittled down to 150. 90% of them were gobbled up by mexico along the way. many of them did, in fact, stay in mexico. >> that's the biggest problem in the process, how do you identify

those seeking asylum and those that aren't. >> that's the challenge that we have at the border. >> would this be helpful? >> i think that this is not helpful or hurtful to the cause. there are probably some legitimate asylum seekers, in this country there's still a process to apply for asylum and seek it. we cannot let it fall by the wayside. there are people who are legitimately persecuted in their own countries. as of now you can come here seeking asylum. >> and rich americans going to vacation in all of these countries. >> that doesn't change the sfat ufts law. >> i'd rather go to hawaii than honduras. >> honduras is nice, pretty, and it's closer. >> depends where you are. we need better laws and more comprehensive immigration policy. nancy who? >> growing number of democrats and candidates saying they need fresh leadership. distancing themselves from the house minority leader. could it be? is nancy out?

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>> none si pelosi's seat could be getting harder, a number of

democratic candidates calling for new leadership, she said she will run for speaker post. 10 democratic candidates say they would oppose pelosi's return to the speakership and another 10 have conspicuously declined to express support for her according to the "washington post." this as republicans appear to be salivating at the chance of the liberal san francisco democrat staying in the picture. 'an rnc spokesman, there's no politician in america more disclieked than nancy pelosi, any democratic candidate should be panicking she wants to be speaker again. i know. >> i'm ready. >> are you tired of talking about nancy pelosi? [ laughing ] >> she's not tired of herself. she's putting herself out there, marie. >> well, all joking aside, what i don't want to happen is her legacy, lock, she was the first female speaker, enormous fundraiser and enormously

successful leader for the party. i think it's clear many members of the caucus believe it's time for new leadership. what i don't want to happen is the democrats retake the house and we're all happy, and then there's this really nasty leadership fight that puts speaker pelosi into a position where she could have exited leadership. i think you're going to see more candidates and current members like kathleen rice come out and say it's time for new leadership of the republicans are going to be getting new leadership. paul ryan is leaving. >> every time they say that, she jumps back in front of the cameras, i'm still here, boys. and she will not go away. there was a story the other day, if, in fact, democrats take over the house which they certainly could in the mid terms, she's going to step aside and allow young joe kennedy to take the reins. >> no shot. she'd probably burn down the house before she gives up the front door keys. she will make accusations of sexism against party members, probably similar to how difficult it was to dislodge

debbie wasserman schultz from the dnc. >> wasn't that hard. >> but she prepared accusations. once she got busted for the likes. before that she had prepared accusations of anti-semitism against her own party. >> nancy pelosi has been much more successful. first female -- >> she raise as lot of money. in san francisco and new york. which isn't the entirety of america. >> let me finish. i believe for the party it is probably time for new leadership. heading into 2020. >> who would you like to see i like joe crowley. >> but he like many others say they're not going to run against her, she's been there for so long. she has to make a decision is it about myself or the future of the democratic party. it's like the clinton problem, if the democratic party wants to be successful they have to move on without these voices, they have to have a new start. >> don't underestimate her ability to fundraise. >> and she's still fundraising. but she gets a lot of cred fit we take back the house and she says i'm going to help figure

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got pretty hot pretty quick. >> michael avenatti is joining trump's legal team. >> started on twitter. >> all that and more on "outnumbered." melissa francis for harris faulkner. >> fox news alert, president trump on the offensive after one of his newest legal advisors drops a bombshell. this is outnumbered overtime, i'm melissa francis for harris faulkner. >> melissa: reaction after rudy giuliani said the attorney reimbursed his attorney michael cohen for the $10 po payment to stormy daniels but president trump did not know the details. the president tweeting mr. cohen, an attorney, received a monthly retainer not from the campaign and having nothing to do with the kwam main from which he entered into, through reimbursement a private contract between two parties, known as a