had a terrible vision for the future. and we're doing so much better now. that's all the time we have left this evening. we'll always be fair and balanced not the destroy trump media. there she is, i've got the football. >> laura: you have the -- >> sean: this is a hannity original football. >> laura: is that a regulation size leather football? >> sean: no. this is a "hannity" football. this is special. i don't copy other people. >> laura: my 7-year-old can catch that one. i want a big football made in the united states. >> sean: i will sign one to laura ingraham, best wishes, sean. >> sean: all right. take it over. have a great show. >> laura: throw it to me. raymond threw it. i don't know if it was that good

of a throw. good evening from washington i'm laura ingraham. this is "the ingraham angle." what a day of bombshells over the mueller investigation, trump and stormy. but nbc's bombshell exploded in its face. that's always fun. we're going to tell you how their wiretap scoop missed the mark just a little it. remember rod blah -- blagojevich? and ben shapiro is going to be here to defend himself against the outrageous allegations that he incited an attack against a mosque. but we begin with nbc walking back the story that the feds had wiretapped the phones of the president's personal attorney, michael cohen, the story has a

lengthy correction on top. the correction explains that cohen's calls were monitored but not wiretapped, big difference. and that investigators didn't actually listen to his calls. well, fox news has confirmed that at least one of cohen's phones was monitored with a device that records phone numbers dialled and the length of those calls. and even before, by the way, nbc realized its mistake. giuliani shot down the report saying we think it is untrue because it would be illegal. disclosing a wiretap is itself a federal felony. this all came after giuliani emphasized that the trump team will no longer sit idly by while mueller's investigation creeps into every part of the president's life. >> this started as collusion with the russians.

no. >> right. >> now they go to obstruction of justice, collusion among the players. what they're really trying to do is trap him into perjury. we're not suckers. >> laura: let's get into the developments with ari fleisher, former white water independent prosecutor saul wisen berg and former former fcc chairman bradley smith. i want to go to you first, bradley. there was a moment during the interview this morning with rudy giuliani where he again reiterated this was not a campaign contribution and he added another thought that seemed to contradict the first thought. let's watch. >> if we had to defend this as not being a campaign contribution, this was the president had been hurt personally, not politically, personally so much. and the first lady by some of

the false allegations. one more false allegation six years old. i think he was trying to help the family and for that the man is being treated as a villain and he was just being a good lawyer. imagine if that would have come out during the debate with clinton. cohen made it go away. he did his job. >> laura: do you see my point there? it was all during the campaign. i mean, it was all october whether it was three weeks before the election or two weeks before the election, i wasn't quite getting that particular point and whether it makes a difference in terms of any fec violations. >> i can't speak for rudy what he was thinking. many things that can influence a campaign are not campaign

expenditures. if the candidate spends $1800 on a suit, he has to pay for that with personal funds. if he thinks i would do better on this campaign if i had a week at martha's vineyard, that is not a campaign expenditure. the rule is not just something related to the campaign. it's not something primarily related to the campaign expenditure. it has to be something, an obligation that would not exist but for the campaign. i think there is a strong argument from what we know publicly that a man like trump would have said we would have made these payments. >> laura: which is what rudy said. >> and he would be protecting his family and commercial slideibilty, just not wanting the distraction. all of those things that might have made him do it. the new yorker suggests he has made similar payments in the

past. and even stormy daniels if we are to believe her, said in her "60 minutes" interview she was told not to say anything this is not a campaign contribution and it doesn't matter whether cohen paid it or trump paid it or trump reimbursed cohen. >> laura: does it go to state of mind, saul? when he was reimbursing and what time frame? is that relevant here to look at this? again, the way bradley just described it, i completely understand that. but the way it is being reported in the media today, it is burn down the house kind of stuff. your reaction? >> i would never burn down the house for this kind of a campaign law violation assuming

it is one. this is not the crime of the century. it is relatively small potatoes. bradley is more of an expert on election law than i am. here is it for the purpose of influencing the campaign? i think it's going to be a question when you do something 11 days before the campaign but it's a fact question and by no means would it be easy to prove. but in the grand scheme of things it's relatively minor. i can't imagine any president being impeached, much lest prosecuted for a felony for that. it doesn't change the fact that rudy isn't really talking about. it in a very intelligent way and it's dangerous to go on television and talk about what your client said and did. >> i want to play a montage about this wiretap issue. let's watch. >> they were able to get text, e-mails and wiretaps on his many

phone lines. leading up to the raid and continuing. >> if you are involved in conspiracy or a crime or just dirty tricks. >> or a cover up or an obstruction. >> if there is evidence of a crime i don't care if you are the president's lawyer. you get the same treatment i do. you say i want to listen to his phone. >> laura: turns out that didn't happen. and you wonder why people call it fake news. they were positively jubilant all day. we're going to have the recordings and it's cohen and the president and they're destroying documents, we're just guessing. the speculation about what the conversation might have been if trump had a conversation with michael cohen. your reaction to this media feeding frenzy? >> the whole velocity and the press is to blame donald trump for everything since he became a candidate and it's accelerated since he became president.

when nbc hears something like this and they haven't explained how and why they got it wrong, they just run with it. and it reminds me, cnn, msnbc and cbs never explained how they put a story on the air saying multiple sources read a memo saying that donald trump jr. had advanced notice of the wikileaks. but they never got a date wrong. but they never explained how they could have had multiple sources getting the date wrong. and it's hurting journalist. it's one of the reasons that america is splitting into two where you have people who don't trust the press and others who hate donald trump. >> laura: and the attorney for stormy daniels we invited him on the show tonight and he said he was otherwise occupied.

but he also was out there saying this is a fact. and i notice they're treating him like he is just an objective analyst whether it's about the law or whether it's about what happened, and he keeps saying, it's a fact. and you see these journalists like going, hmm, of course, that's wasn't a fact. it wasn't a fact at all. >> you know, they treat michael avanade the same as the press played schiff. >> laura: bradley, on this other development we learned today that the e-mail that michael cohen used to, i guess facilitate or finalize the deal with the payments to daniels was a trump.org e-mail. does have any bearing on this case and how it will be looked

at by mueller who we know and we'll get into this next segment, we know, can be overzealous and pushes the boundary of the law to get the result that he wants. i'm sorry. but it's not the first time it happened. we saw it with the blagojevich case. let's talk about the trump.org e-mail. they're making a huge deal of this in the media tonight. >> of course, i can't say what mueller is going to do, right? but i'd go back saying if it's not a campaign expenditure, it it wasn't an obligation that would have existed -- that would not have existed but for the campaign it doesn't matter how it was paid. you expect it not to be paid with campaign funds. in fact this is one of the problems, laura. imagine if the trump folks paid for this with campaign funds. i can guarantee you a bunch of the same people critical of the administration, critical of trump and the campaign would

have filed -- and that's the problem that you have here. that's why -- >> laura: i see -- >> they're going to get him coming or going. if he spends campaign funds, you can't spend campaign funds for, that that's personal. and if he spends personal founds, that was campaign funds and that's illegal. >> laura: let's get back to who was being texted and the monitoring of cohen's phone calls that -- to whom was he speaking? what number was he speaking to? not the content but the log of the calls. is that surprising to you, unusual to you or what would that indicate that mueller believes? >> no, it's actually standard -- well, first of all, remember the campaign finance stuff is not mueller that is the owner district. this is a southern district issue not a mueller issue.

but it's relatively standard operating procedure and you don't need probable cause for that. it happens in multiple hundreds of thousands of cases in the country. on this nbc thing. if nbc had talked to anyone about white collar cases they would have immediately said that can't be right. that story can't be right. giuliani is right about this. that is a crime to leak something like that. that is incredibly serious. it's more serious than leaking grand jury information. and i knew the story couldn't be right when i heard it. why didn't they check with somebody who actually knows something about federal criminal law before going with this. >> laura: the southern district, what it finds, saul, however, if it finds something if all those documents they took from michael cohen's various places of residence, and anything relates

to russia or tangental to the russia investigation that kicks back to mueller, correct? it could be used as a proxy to get information for mueller, right? >> if you were cynical you could call it proxy. >> laura: i am cynical. you're right. i am. bingo, you know me after all this time i'm cynical about all this. saul. we love each other. >> i've been on the defense side longer than the prosecution side. if they come across something that looks like evidence of a crime and it's in mueller's b l balliwick it goes back to mueller. you're just seeing what numbers they are dialing but not the content. >> reporter: so if they're seeing that cohen made a phone

call to a white house number they can, you know, put the screws on cohen and say to whom did you speak and what did you speak about and he could refuse to answer and they could get someone at the white house to answer that question. otherwise they're not going to find out what happened. >> right, but i can guarantee you as a general matter they're going to be putting the screws to cohen across the board. that's obvious from the way they are conducting this investigation and the question is what do they have on him that has nothing to do with the president. >> laura: i got to play this for ari and we'll come back. today at the white house briefing i knew this was going to happen with sarah huckabee sanders and indeed the press focused on you didn't say -- you said the opposite about stormy daniels. let's watch. >> can you explain why the president when he answered questions of reporters about the

$130,000 payment from michael cohen to stormy daniels why the president was not truthful with the american people? >> as mayor giuliani stated and i'll refer you to his comments this is information that the president didn't know at the time. >> how is the american people to trust what is said here? >> we give the very best information that we have at the time. >> circle may 3rd on the calendar. this is the day that we will look back on where sarah sanders made it clear she lost credibility with the american people and the reporters in that room. >> laura: it's hilarious for cnn to talk about losing credibility with the american people. sarah sanders says what she knows. that is a low blow, cheap shot by that cnn political director. >> it's tough. and, look, that's a hard job and

especially hard when you are given incomplete information as the press secretary. and i think that is what happened here. when the president was on air force one and when michael cohen answered questions about the payments, they were being precisely accurate. but they both omitted crucial information. sarah, when she briefed the press she said no payments by the president, either sarah went one step too far or the president gave her information that turned out to be incorrect. i don't know which of those two is the fact. but the timetable is 100% right. it is reasonable for the president not to have known with specifics facesy what michael cohen did in october of 2016 but he learned it later. that makes all kinds of sense. i wouldn't be surprised if that's the usual routine between michael cohen and donald trump. michael cohen cleans it up and the president is happy not to

know all the details. that probably extends years back. tough day to be the press secretary. there is irony on the day that nbc gets it wrong, blaming the press sk tear for getting something wrong. >> laura: interesting that today, bradley and saul, george conway who is the husband of kellyanne conway, i have known george for 25 years, he is a smart lawyer. he decided to tweet out -- i believe it was a regulation. there it is, which unfortunately, not considered -- not considered the candidate's personal funds. and then he recites the relevance part of the statute and that was considered to be interesting. because of course, he's the husband of kellyanne conway and it would lead people to believe that george conway, another smart lawyer is saying, he is

trying to influence or was trying to influence the election with this michael cohen payment. to me, that seemed like a huge leap, bradley. it was a head scratcher for me. i love george but why the heck you sending out that tweet? he doesn't know the background on this. neither do any of us. it's still being developed. >> one of the things we've had for the last year is people are letting conclusions outrun the facts on the ground. the statute does say -- the statute basically says a campaign expenditure is something for the purpose of influencing a campaign. and another part of the statute specifically says what are not campaign expenditure or for some people i suppose having to pay off people who are harassing you

with threats. >> or nuisance suits. saul, a nuisance suit if it was a pattern of conduct for this operation, it's a huge organization. he's a big target as a celebrity. this probably -- it could have been done before. was done before. i have no idea but if it was it goes to the intent issue. >> it's a fact question, like i said. 11 days before the campaign. it's going to be a fact question. the reason i think george sent that out is because giuliani said, oh, the president paid for it with his personal funds, ergo, it's not a campaign violation. so it's really not who pays the funds. he's not saying it is a campaign violation. it's not who pays the funds but the purpose of it. >> laura: maybe he's just saying i'm smarter than you are.

i'm just teasing. i got it and they don't. the prooush probe isn't the first time that mueller and his pals have been accused of trying to railroad a politician. our interview with blagojevich's wife and her lawyer coming up. mr. elliot, what's your wifi password?

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patrick -- and it was the then fbi director, bob mueller who in 2008 authorized a totally unnecessary and ruthless pre-dawn raid of the governor. here with us are blagojevich's wife patty and chicago attorney len goodman who represents the former governor. it's great to see both of you, patty. your husband has been in jail for now seven years of a 14-year sentence. he was convicted on a couple of corruption charges, bribery and extortion, i believe. when people hear that, they think he must have taken a bribe and promised to do something for someone giving him money and there must have been evidence saying all that. but in fact none of that happened. >> no, none of that at all. you know, for me, listening to your show, it's like yogi berra

says, it's deja vu all over again. these same people, comey, fitzgerald, mueller used out of control prosecutors and fbi agents came after my husband to undo an election by the people that came after my husband like this. these people are so far from elli elli elliot ness, they use their offices for their own personal enrichment to further their careers, to sell books. >> laura: i don't think bob mueller needs to further his career. he has been fbi director. he is esteemed by republicans and democrats. however, he authorized and you can get in on this. he did authorize a raid that was reminiscent of manafort and michael cohen, this pre-dawn raid. the kids are there and everyone is shaking. they're afraid and they go in and take everything out of the

apartment, same thing happened with you guys. >> completely and completely unnecessary in a white collar case. they could have called the lawyer and rod would have come down and surrendered. to do that to his two young children was disgraceful. >> laura: we have to remember that patrick fitzgerald for people who are watching, why are you talking about this guy? he is representing jim comey right now. they are best buddies going back to the '80s. he went after scooty libby, he went after conrad black. the core part of that conviction overturned by the supreme court. and not once but two times they tried blagojevich. and the court, sadly didn't take the case a couple weeks ago when they could have cleared up this ridiculous federal bribery statute which is extremely confusing, wide enough to, you know, drive a truck through.

and, yet he's praised for being -- he's the most esteemed -- he did the enron investigation and the enron case but there were problems there too. andrew weissman overstepped it. anderson is exonerate bud they laid off 85,000 people in the interim. people hear prosecutor and they are civil servants and protecting us. but they have unchecked power oftentimes and it can be out of control. i speak as a former criminal defense attorney. i don't want to be on my high horse here. if they want to get you for something they will get you. >> it's true. and you know, i mean, blagojevich was investigated -- they began investigating him early on in his administration. and he his family endured five years of investigation.

he believed in the system and believed they were interested in doing right. as patty said, he was never -- never took a bribe or kick back or tried to enrich his families. he has been prosecuted for corruption for fundraising and doing political deals. when the federal government invests resources and their credibility in making the case that somebody is corrupt they will do whatever it takes. >> laura: if their job is to prosecute and you come up empty? you finish the investigation and -- >> they can't. >> laura: he didn't take a bribe or take vacations on someone else's dime but the court is going to convince a jury to say he believes he might -- he might have to do something that a donor wanted him to do. that's crazy, bob mcdonald got

exonerated for that. the states have a patchwork -- we can't relitigate your case tonight. but i have to say to the people watching, bob mueller, jim comey and patrick fitzgerald. just because they're smart guys and went to great schools and have done good stuff in their careers doesn't mean they always get it right. and if you're overzealous and have a history of being overzealous in high profile cases, patrick fitzgerald with conrad black and scooter libby and comey and his involvement in this. you is to start asking tough questions. and patty, i'll let you speak. you have a heavy heart and a lot on your mind. but if you can tell donald trump one thing other than pardon your husband, what would you tell him about bob mueller, your experience with him? >> well, i think the president

knows when people have unchecked power it's a very dangerous thing. and we believed in the courts and we believed that the court system was going to work properly. and so if -- and unfortunately, our trust was misplaced. we thought the justice system was going to work. we believed people operated with true and honest motives and we were sadly mistaken. this is something he has seen now unfortunately, what we've gone through ten years ago and what we've been going through for the last ten years. you know, if they can bring down my husband, who was the governor of the fifth largest state for asking for campaign contributions, then no one is safe. >> laura: thank you for being here and telling your story. and litigating the case in the

press is difficult. but they feel they have no other option. they got a lot of legal eagles working for them and trump beefed up his team. it's bring it on. and by the way immigrants in that caravan at the border have begun applying for u.s. asylum after trekking more than 2500 miles. but their american organizers are impatient with the legal process. >> the fact they can't move this group of 150 rchefugees is a la of political will. >> laura: stay there for my interview with the mexican ambassador to the united states who has the latest for us. don't go away. hen i travel... even when i travel... for leisure. so i go national, where i can choose any available upgrade in the aisle - without starting any conversations-

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>> laura: most of the caravan immigrants are in the united states for processing and are expected to file for asylum. but the group's american organizers are vowing to get every single one of mostly central americans boo tinto the country and stay permanently. the doj has sent dozens of prosecutors and judges to the border to make sure their claims are valid. let's discuss the situation as it relates to mexico. the mexican ambassador to the united states is with us.

i'm not going to do the whole thing in spanish. it's tempting. i think people initially were wondering how do people do this annually? they take this long trek through mexico. at one point the honduran ambassador to mexico marched with the caravan. how did they manage to get across the border into mexico and make their way to the u.s.? >> this event started several years b years back calling attention to the human rights in mexico. and the united states and mexico are obligationed by international law on asylum matters. this year, they got so much more attention and some of the people that were not originally in the caravan -- >> laura: joined it. >> that's the truth.

the caravan started with around 1300 people. >> laura: most coming from honduras. >> most coming from central america. the truth is i can understand why here people have the perception that the mexican government is not doing much which is not the case. over the last ten years, mexico has repatriated about 1.1 million people. according to law and due process, international and due process. >>. >> laura: how many caravan folks? >> from the caravan were repatriated according to legal process. >> laura: do you know how many? >> around 260. several were offered some form of humanitarian assist in mexico. and some of them got to the border. >> laura: didn't most of the people not want to stay in

mexico. if you want to get out of trouble in honduras why not be a part of mexico? there's something called the safe -- mexico has to be called a safe country, correct? >> that's correct. it is in the interest of the united states and mexico, i think, to make sure wherever migration take place through and between our countries is legal, safe, and orderly. in fact we have very good conversation with cbp and dhs. we are in favor of securing the borders. >> laura: no wall or you don't wa care if you are not paying for it. >> sometimes -- mexico is in favor of having secure borders. we don't always share the view of the administration on how to achieve that goal. >> laura: vicente fox was on my show not long ago. an interesting guy and colorful

figure. let's watch. we shouldn't have a border? >> god didn't create borders. we shouldn't have a border. this will happen and this next-generation. because we are going to be on a one to one. >> reporter: no border. is that a common feeling in mexico that they need to get rid of them? >> to tell you the truth i served with president fox. >> laura: that was wild. no border. >> borders exist for good reasons and good borders make good neighbors and that's the truth. that's not certainly what everybody believes in mexico. we believe in having secure borders. and again we're working closely with the united states in that regard. >> laura: what about your southern border? i know the united states is offering assistance on the southern border. how long is it? about 800 miles long?

>> we work on the southern border, we are working closely with agencies in mexico. >> reporter: people a >> laura: people are streaming across, though. >> if you look at the numbers you will see that we have worked, according to international law and due process and repatriated over 1.1 million people in the last ten years that are coming through the southern border. >> laura: if you guys are doing your jobs why is jeff sessions saying this? let's watch. >> we are adding 35 assistant united states attorneys to the border to prosecute illegal entries into the country. and we are moving 18 immigration judges to the border. we are not going to let this country be overwhelmed. people are not going to caravan or otherwise stampede our border. >> laura: people are outraged about this. i met you two months ago.

you lived in texas. if you were american you would be conservative republican. you are in a tough pickle though. we have now had a 238% increase month to month -- excuse me, year to year, from april of 2017 to april of 2018. that is southwest border not coming from canada. wild. >> but if you look at the year before they were way down. >> laura: and everyone is like i'm not going to -- i'm going to make that trek. trump's not going to let me in. not that trump is letting them in. we're catching them, processing them and saying, have fun with your sponsor and they never come back. >> both mexico and the u.s. have a shared interest in making sure whatever immigration takes place is legal, safe and orderly.

>> right. >> and we do have to make sure that there are sufficient avenues for that. if you look, you will see that a lot of the mexicans that have come to the united states did so because they did not have an opportunity or a very good opportunity in mexico. that's on us. but the u.s. should also recognize there is a need for those people here. and mexicans don't have something in them saying -- >> laura: mexican migration is down but the northern triangle is up. that's where an effort between mexico and the united states to stop the people from making the trek. if 200 are getting in under asylum we're going to have 2,000, then 2 million. it's going to get worse and worse. >> but last year, that's why we had the u.s. and mexico co convened a meeting in miami to address both the development side of the equation and also

the migration and security side. we should do more of that. we cannot be satisfied with what is going on. but we need to work on -- >> laura: but look, in mexico we had a lot of remittances going back to mexico. but mexico likes those dollars coming back in. you don't want the guns from the united states going to mexico. we don't want the drugs coming to the united states or the cartels or the human traffickers. but i'm telling you, honduras, they love the american dollars going in. you went to harvard. i went to a small school in new hampshire. that's one fifth of the gdp, that's a lot. but it's good to have you on. and i think that there is a lot mexico and the united states can do to improve its relationship. i'm optimistic about nafta. >> i'm moderately optimistic.

nafta is very important for the u.s. and also for mexico. there is a serious and good faith effort to get it done and i think next week will be crucial. >> if we have a left wing new president of mexico, the renegotiation won't be a good deem. got to get it done now. stay right there, free speech on campus? is there any? ben shapiro defends himself against claims he --

>> laura: time now for up defending the first where we expose the enemies of the first amendment, free expression and free thought. you all know ben shapiro. he is the nation's leading figures in the effort to preserve free speech.

he is also a target of leftists who are trying to shut down his speech. what is the latest attempt? i was waiting for this. this is a campaign now to blame ben shapiro for inciting a deadly terror attack on a canadian mosque last year? we welcome back to the angle ben shapiro, the editor in chief of "the daily wire." what do you weigh? 150 pounds and. >> 165. i'm bulking up. >> laura: explain how you are allegedly involved in inspiring this horrible attack on a mosque because you made comments about islamic terror in the past? >> there is an evil piece of human crap that shot up a mosque last year and it happens to be someone who saw my tweets on

twitter. he had also seen tweets from bret baier and a bunch of different people. now i have 1.4 million twitter followers. so i guess the view is if enough people view my tweets enough i will inspire terrorists. but none of this is real. when when a bernie sanders followers shot up a baseball game -- >> but we play fair and they don't care about those rules. so what their goal is and this is why we bring you on for this series. their goal is to intimate other conservatives using you as an abject lesson. don't speak out on these issues. because if you do -- we could be in -- it doesn't matter if it's in canada or australia or anywhere else we're going to brand you a hater and try to

stop your livelihood, stop you from getting speeches. that's what this is about. it's this mall content in canada. we have seen it with the southern poverty law center with their obscene list of islamic -- i think i'm on that list. ridiculous. they do it to shut down speech. >> no question, if you want to talk about the splc, they are responsible for the attack on the family research council. he used their apparently map of hate groups as a target. so all of this is really dangerous. and all of it is leading to an attempt in the united states by people on the far left to imitate britain and canada to shut down dissenting points of view if they do not meet with the politically correct standards of the left. the fact i have tweeted out about the evils of -- who may believe radical things, this

apparently was enough to blame me for a terrorist attack that has nothing to do with me that i have denounced and committed by an evil piece of human debris. but again all of this is nonsense generated by the left to shut down free speech. >> laura: kanye west has become an interesting figure on the cultural scene expressing his love for many people but among them most controversially is donald trump. and now he has gotten attacked by everybody, comments about slavery being a choice which is not what he meant. and now we're seeing, perhaps connected. we don't know. an increase in support among afternoon american men, double support i guess the figure is now up to 22%, it was 11% approval. now 22%, where the overall

approval is increasing to 16% from 8%. that is interesting or is it just a coincidence with kanye west? >> i will say this, what kanye did by saying think for yourself. if that is a threat to the left it demonstrates how the left has to use identity politics to shut down debate. i don't think he should be nominated for the head of the federation foundation. but what he did say is i'm not just a black guy or just a hollywood celebrity. i get to form late my own logic and figure out what i believe. if anybody else thought like this, perhaps we would have conversations. good for kanye west for beginning the conversation. the guy gets all the credit. it's an amazing stand that he's taken in a time he doesn't have to take it. >> i think he's trying to say you don't have to be as

imprisoned by your past. it doesn't have to define your future. a lot of philosophers have said that over the centuries and over the m the millennia. hillary clinton was out there yesterday. >> you may be the only presidential candidate who had to stand up and say i am a capitalist and you did. did it hurt you? >> probably. you know, it's hard to know. but if you're in the iowa caucuses and 41% of democrats are socialists or self described socialists and i'm asked are you a capitalist and i say yes but with appropriate regulation and appropriate accountability, you know, that probably gets lost, in the oh, my gosh, she's a capitalist. >> all right, ben, one sentence? >> she told the truth. good for hillary.

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>> laura: president trump established an office in the white house to create partnerships between the government and faith-based groups it's called the white house faith and opportunity initiative that trump signed today during a national day of prayer ceremony. >> we are proud of our religious heritage and as president i will always protect religious liberty. the faith initiative will help design new policies that recognize the vital role of faith in our families, our communities and our great country. we take this step because we know that in solving the many, many problems in our great challenges, faith is more powerful than government and nothing is more powerful than god. >> laura: i love that moment. trump may sound like the most pro-faith president in modern times but there is so much to

do. it was a hot day outside at the white house there. a lot of evangelical christians you how do you support donald trump. >> he's a total hero. that's what he has down. the executive order this year was part two. last year at this national day of prayer he ordered basically an audit of the federal government to determine every single example where religious liberty was being violated with the cabinet sitting there. this year he is saying there is a whistle-blower element. he is saying if you see a problem, tell us about it. how can we partner together as a faith community and doing it in the rose garden steps from the oval office was a powerful image. >> seeing his words, and everything that is going on and

swirling around him, did any of you get together to pray regularly with him? do you? >> we pray with the administration. you know, all the time we pray with him and with others. the other day a reporter asked is it true there is an evangelical in the white house every day? it's more like 10 to 12 every day. this is a faith-friendly administration. >> laura: he said he was going to help the poor and contraception mandate, we're getting rid of. that congress has to do some of this stuff. but couldn't he with an executive order address that issue and probably head to the courts? >> the fact is that the obama administration had so obsessly deconstructed religious liberty in the federal government, it took him a year to untie all of this. the little sisters of the poor are going to fight this to the

end. >> they want president trump -- he's going to make sure this doesn't happen. they are mandating contraception coverage to these nuns. >> he is entirely supportive of religious liberty. and when it's all said and done as we have seen again and again, the proof will be in the policy. that's what it will be. it is a national day of prayer too. for eight year, president obama had a private celebration and issued proclamations. this is a powerful ceremony. >> we were praying with you guys today. thanks for being here. >> it's great to be here. >> we'll close it out. stay there.

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>> laura: that's all the time we have left tonight. ed henry was at a charity event in new yor >> that is all the time we have left k tonight, at a charity evt today, rudy giuliani, will tell shannon what he found out in conversation with rudy.

take it from here, all the new developments. mueller and colin and rudy, it goes on and on. news didn't break totally before your show. >> appreciate that insight, thank you very much. michael:was not wiretapped. a register or log of phone calls. debating the political fallout and and henry with rudy giuliani, the inside scoop with the call from the atty. gen. and his surprise about the stormy daniels payments. tensions flaring, the pentagon, having ways is to enter two us pilots over the skies of africa. welcome to fox