can you mountains are got over a foot of snow. that's keeping the ski resorts up. >> julie: you used to ski a lot. thanks for joining us. >> jon: "outnumbered" starts right now. >> fox news alert. new reaction from president trump to rudy guliani's revelation that president trump reimbursed michael cohen for stormy daniels payments. the news sent shock payments across the news media and putting sarah sanders on defense. now trump said guliani just started and he will get his facts straight. that's what he said. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. this is kennedy, republican strategist lisa booth. former deputy spokesperson for the state department and fox news analyst, marie harp and fox

news contributor, guy benson. everybody knows guy and marie will co-host ben sen and harf, which is launching monday. i heard that somewhere. >> it's going around. >> yeah. >> good for you guys. >> benson&harf.com. >> we should hire you. >> yeah. she's the new spokeswoman. >> i love it. >> let's get to it. president trump reacting after rudy guliani's re-lation that the president reimbursed his personal attorney for those payments to the porn star. here's the president this morning. >> rudy is a great guy. he just started a day ago. he really has his heart into it. he's working hard. he's learning the subject matter. he's going to be issuing a statement, too. he's a great guy. he knows it's a witch hunt. that's what he knows. he's seen a lot of them. he said he's never seen anything so horrible. he started yesterday.

he will get his facts straight. he's a great guy. >> all right. many in the white house say they first learned about the reimbursement from guliani's wednesday night interview with sean hannity here on fox. yesterday reporters asked press secretary sarah sanders to explain the discrepancy. watch this. >> you said on march 7 there was no knowledge of any payments from the president. he's denied all of these allegations. were you lying to us at the time or were you in the dark? >> the president denies and continues to decline the claim. i gave the best information i had at the time. i refer you back to the comments that you just mentioned about the time line from major guliani -- >> why can't you answer yes or no. it's a fairly question -- >> it's a simply answer that i've given you. i gave you the best information i have and i'll do that every day.

>> there's that and then the president saying a full list will be coming out detailing what the cohen retainer was spent on. wow! i know i fell off my chair in my office watching that. guy, what did you think? >> for the president to have his new lawyer come out and mount a new defense on the stormy daniels stuff all over television, particularly on this networks, and then trump comes out and says, well, he's new here. he will get his facts straight. it's not usually the order to do things in. now we're learning and trump alluded to it briefly in that scrum, he said that rudy is going to put out a new statement clarifying his previous statements that were supposed to be clarifying of this situation. this is not going well. >> although kennedy, i would say, on the flip side of the coin, that there are people that believe, okay, so they went in and grabbed everything out of

michael cohen's office. the presidents show that the president did reimburse michael cohen. this is a way to get the facts before somebody said here's proof. get it over with. >> that's very good. unfortunately the news cycle isn't over with. that's what's problematic. we're still talking about it. it's day three. there's exchanges with the press. it's a huge distraction from very pressing matters at hand. i'm sure everyone in the white house wants to get passed this. the best way to do that is to not come up with a new set of facts when they're convenient or a set of facts that will make light. you should really put out the honest set of facts from the get-go so you don't have to change anything. >> like this is story number 7. then they have to go to story number 8 in two days, that's not

good planning. >> there's credibility problems. >> there's some sort of attempt to take the possibility of the campaign finance law violation off the table by the way the payment was done. >> but there's other issues on top of that. >> wait for it. the promise is guliani will get his facts straight and he needs to learn the subject matter. why in the lord's name is he out talking to the public right now? i cannot comprehend this. as someone that worked in political communications, worked on capitol hill, there's nothing more frustrating than someone seeing create more problems that didn't need to exist for themselves. so seeing this train wreck go down is incredibly frustrating. just from a legal standpoint. if you're the president, i would be worried that this is your team representing you and a host of serious legal problems right now with the mueller investigation and also with the cohen issue as well.

you have to be worried right now. >> what i don't understand, what was wrong with the version that rudy guliani came out with? what is the next fix going to be? >> that's the question. none of us know what the real story is. i was it story 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6? no. today the president said no. this is a credibility problem for the white house. if you stand up there and say absolutely not, the president did not pay this back. whoopsy, turns out he did, what else is she not in know about? as someone that stood at that podium, i feel bad for her. if somebody sent her out there with bad information, that's not fair to her. i he say -- >> that's a job that you have done. >> exactly. >> you worked with president obama. >> exactly. for someone to go to the podium -- >> you guys always coordinated your lies. >> no, no. that's not fair. that's not fair. what i also was going to say, in

that scrum, now the president says we're going to get a full list of what his money was spent on. >> that's funny. >> like are we going to get a full list of everybody that has been paid off? >> a valid question. i don't think the stormy daniels thing in an of itself is a political anvil. but if there's other things that michael cohen had to take care of and if each one of these things has a loud mouth blastering attorney who will spend all day camped out at msnbc, that could be a great distraction. >> does anybody in america still care about this? haven't you concluded he did this thing, it's gross, maybe he paid someone off, let's just -- >> unfortunately we can't move on. it's as though rudy guliani gave the centipede 200 more legs. >> the story could have ended a long time ago. there's no reason we should have be talking about it. >> we have to move on. >> thank you.

>> all right. we now know federal administrators kept a register of phone calls by michael cohen but did not record the calls, they say. as nbc news initially reported yesterday. they recorded numbers dialed and the length of each call but not the contents, so they say. nbc reported incorrectly that cohen's conversations were reported in the weeks leading up to the raids and recorded at least one call made to the white house. after nbc released a correction, president trump said nbc is wrong again. like so many others, the sources probably don't exit. they're fabricated, fiction. nbc, my former home with "the apprenti

apprentice" is now as bad as fake cnn news. sad. kelly an conway with more. >> look at the media polls around what americans are telling polsters is important to them versus what the media covers. this president is getting so much done for the american people. >> so guy, i have a little issue with this. the egregious part isn't that nbc might have misreported something. the egregious part is that the government was spying on his personal attorney and possibly violating attorney client privilege. they're reaching in and gathering information and probably not disclosing what they're gathering. so i don't think the white house is upset about the right thing here. >> there's two issues. the second is the one you raised. my assumption is, and i think it's corrected, the reason that they were able to get the records and collect the records

is because they had a warrant to do so that was granted by a federal judge that went up and down an approval process at the doj.you may think it's thin or unfair, but they would not be doing that without the proper legal authority. as for nbc, i'm glad they corrected it relatively quickly. but when you are dealing with a white house that screams fake news and then you prove yourself to get something very big and explosive wrong without checking the facts, double-checking the facts, getting backup sources and running with it force, that's a bad look for you. even though you do the right thing and correct the report, it feeds into exactly what trump wants which is way we saw the tweet. >> the kellyanne conway's point, it shows the media's cards. it shows the position that they come from. it's this presumptive rush to judgment on basically the desire to catch the administration in

something bad. >> they want it to be bad. >> they want it bad. >> the bad part is the wiretap. the bad part is cohen wasn't wiretapped or a necessity for that. >> the bad part of this is getting something where the base of the argument is drastically different. it just has to be relevant to an ongoing case, whether -- with a wiretap, the standard is entirely different. there has to be probable cause of a crime committed or a crime -- >> you can get more information with a pen -- >> the standard is different. they mean entirely two different things. this takes us back to numerous stories where we've seen with abc's brian ross. you look at cnn's story about don jr. and wikileaks. the context of the report is drastically different when it changes and we learn the facts, this is dangerous for the media because their job is to hold the administration accountable. when they keep getting these stories wrong, showing their hand that they're left wing

institutions, it damages everything. >> i understand that. you have to get your facts straight before you go public with the facts that you have. i think the story makes the president a little bit more sympathetic. >> i don't think the story makes him more sympathetic. most persons are seeing michael cohen is probably a legitimate target for investigation here because of his behavior. but to lisa's point, i don't think and i have no idea, but i don't think nbc just made something up. they had bad sources. they don't do enough to confirm them. you named three stories in almost 470 days -- >> we don't have time. >> let me finish. there's been -- >> just said -- >> there's thousands and thousands of really good stories about this white house that have turned out to be true. it's not the media is inventing

things. sometimes they have bad sources and sometimes they go too fast. >> why are they going too fast? >> because our news cycle is crazy. every outlet says things wrong -- >> you think the mainstream media -- you don't think there's any semblance of truth that there's a presumptive judgment with the main street media and the way they view the trump administration and that it's treated differently than the obama administration? >> i don't think they have a lower standard for sources. >> 100% they do. >> i wouldn't be surprised that if we find out if it was true the way they reported it. >> exactly. >> and get the same exact information with a pen register as with a wiretap. that is an overstep. >> let's say you have a five-course meal. the rack of lamb is medium rare. and the potatoes are creamy and

succulent but the asparagus is wilted. that's your first course. all you focus on is the wilted asparagus. that's how this administration feels about the media. all they're focusing on is the wilted a spare bus when you have this colorado rack of lamb, perfectly medium rare. the mashed potatoes are the economy and i have to say the stuffed mushrooms are isis. >> the way the media treats the trump administration versus the obama administration are supported by facts that they're treated drastically different. the level of negative coverage -- >> the asparagus may be true but that's not all that is on the table. >> i love asparagus. >> we have much more to feast on including confront's china's stepped up military aggression on the high seas. the stern warning coming out of

the trump administration that they've had it up to here and it's about time they're fed up. we'll discuss. >> we will continue to do our operations and ensure the chinese understand that they cannot and should not be hostile patrick woke up with a sore back. but he's got work to do.

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. >> the trump administration is confronting china as u.s. and chinese officials hold high level talks on tariffs. the administration warned china of consequences for the ongoing militarization of the south china sea. they installed air strips and missile systems on manmade islands. dana white has more. >> we've been very vocal about our concerns about them militarizing on these artificial islands. china has to realize they've benefitted from the free navigation of the sea. the u.s. navy has been the guarantor of that. >> and they have also launched

blinding laser attacks against american pilots injuring two of them. dana white has more. >> they are very serious incidents. there's been two minor injuries. this activity poses a true threat to our air men. we have formally talked to the chinese government and requested that the chinese investigate these incidents. >> so melissa, this is an issue we've talked about for years with china's aggression in the south china sea. how do we confront them on this issue when we also need their help on things like north korea? >> i think this is china laying down their markers out there. >> literally. >> yes. >> saying here's where we're going. they look at the north korean situation saying wait a minute. they're going to get something in exchange for whatever they end up doing whether it's economic or something else. at the same time, they've been

helpful behind the scenes. you would think we've made progress. but we're having fights with tariffs. seeing we're engaging with russia. everything going on with iran. don't forget about us over here. we need to be dealt with and have some sort of attention and goodies and we're laying out where we're going the not. so it has to do with how they see their position around the world and they want to get in line. >> and how they see their role in the region. they want to have control over the navigation, the waterways, this is what they see as their sphere of influence in the world. we really need them. >> this is tough. it's a power play. they're doing it with their own self-interest. they want to dominate the region. they're daring anyone to do anything about it, including us. they recognize if we get to hostile over this issue, then they could become far less

helpful on other fronts that are on the front burner of u.s. foreign policy at the moment. it's strategic on their part and i get that. also just reading the new found attention of the administration and reading about that on the issue of is south china sea, my brain went to john bolton. he's always been very hawkish on this and other issues, this is a point of emphasis for him. i'm not surprised now the administration is piping up about it more aggressively. >> kennedy, do you think -- the alternative argument that people say, okay, china is building these tiny islands. they're sand and an airstrip what kind of u.s. resources should we devote to going against them? we have to balance competing interests with china. >> and the competing interests are economic. there's 3.5 trillion that go through that part of the world annually. we have to be mindful that we

have free trade. i disagree. i don't think china has been helpful with north korea. i think they have appeased north korea a long time and i like seeing them marginalized in the conversations saying you have done the world no favors by propping them up and creating this dependency with north korea. so now, you know, we're taking a different tact. that's just fine. i don't want to see any military action in the south china sea. your former boss, president obama, helped exacerbate the situation. and you know, again, it's a level of a -- appeasement with china. there's no toughness. china has gotten away with everything because of our economic interdependence. >> we've seen president trump stand up to china on the economic front with the threat of tariffs and, you know, trying to -- also the trade talks that

happened that ended with still some big differences. to hammer it out, we have seen president trump stand up to china. marco rubio wrote in the made in china plan that would lead to the advanced manufacturing here in the united states. there's some real concerns here. with the trump administration, we've seen them step up and stand up to other countries like china, north korea, russia, iran in a way that we didn't see your boss stand up to them that way. >> we'll see if it has any impact. china is still aggressive -- >> we've seen an impact with north korea. >> and we've had two cabinet secretaries and the president's economic time in china as we speak trying to kick start a trade negotiation. that's a very positive step. all of these issues have to be discussed. we cannot pretend there's an issue in the south china sea. there's six countries vying for ownership of these islands. it's not just china.

>> including our allies. >> those people also, those countries need to stand up just like countries like saudi arabia and jordan have to in the middle east to defend the middle east. >> this is a complicated issue. we'll keep watching it. republican primary candidates are starting to target robert mueller's russia investigation as a way to align themselves with president trump. whether that strategy can help them win elections. up next. stay close. so allstate is giving us money back on our bill. well, that seems fair. we didn't use it. wish we got money back on gym memberships. get money back hilarious. with claim-free rewards. switching to allstate is worth it. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. the name to remember.

>> welcome back to "outnumbered." republican primary candidates are beginning to denounce robert mueller's russia probe ahead of the mid-terms. the first to do it, todd rokita that just released this new tv ad.

watch. >> mueller, pelosi, donnelly. they're using fake news to destroy our president. who is tough enough to stop the witch behind? todd rokita will build the wall and bank sanctuary cities. todd rokita, tough enough to stand with trump. >> there you go. it appears the special counsel's russia investigation is not going away any time soon. new documents showing that robert mueller is requesting 70 subpoenas for paul manafort. what happened there? >> so at trial on the manafort case, the judge scolded the special counsel's prosecutors saying basically let's face it, you are not interested in this bank fraud. what you're interested in is getting president trump and using this whole process to twist the screws on manafort to flip on trump and the judge openly questioned whether the

special counsel and mueller's investigation has expanded beyond it's purview, which is attention grabbing coming from a federal judge that is overseeing a piece of this broader case. >> can i give you the quote? >> yes. >> he said prosecution or impeachment. that's what you're interesting in. none of this information has anything to do with information related to the russian government coordination and campaign trump. you don't really care about mr. manafort's bank fraud. this is the judge speaking. >> that speaks directly to the appeal for documents, especially that memo that further outline the confines of the mueller investigation that senate and house republicans are seeking from rod rosenstein. >> it's one thing to hear it. but to hear a sitting judge on the bench, you know, the lawyers in this investigation of this is pretty staggering. >> and this statement from the judge is precisely how a lot of

trump supporters feel, particularly in a state like indiana where this ad is running where you have a contested primary. you have a state that president trump, 57% of the vote, joe donnelly is vulnerable. so you have the republican hopefuls trying to attach themselves to president trump but hitting the nail on the head that the president is unfairly targeted and the origins go back to the democratic party trying to hurt the president. >> it's a risky strategy. but if you tap into a specific brand of passion in a place like indiana where they're not enamored of joe donnelly, they can be successful. it comes down to the right candidate. >> and the indiana senate primary is so fascinating. the guy running against todd rokita, nominated president trump for a nobel peace prize this week. so they're running to a line

themselves as closely as they can with donald trump. donald trump though is not universally popular. his base holds steady and his numbers have gone up as you point out a lot. but it's not enough to win an election. >> or a primary. >> but what will be interesting though is whether or not these candidates will want the president to come campaign for them. we've seen reporting that -- >> oh, they do. >> no question. >> indiana they will. >> indiana, west virginia. look at any of those five races -- >> and there's places where you have to look at the issue, not the personality. that's an important distinction that has to be made. >> and particularly these house districts in swing districts, a lot of reporting that they don't want president trump to come campaign for them. it will be interested. >> nobody will run the same campaign in each of these districts. >> i think it's interesting we're a long way from trump is toxic from this -- they're going

to get crushed in the mid-terms because these so unpopular in the history of the world. you have people now falling all over themselves to closely align themselves with them. not that it will help their campaign. it's changed. >> it's depends on who. it didn't work in pennsylvania. you can also argue that republicans didn't run a very strong candidate against conor. >> didn't work in virginia, alabama. alabama is different. >> they reason a political -- >> one at a time. >> it does help you in a state -- we're seeing this in west virginia as well where each of the candidates are embracing president trump because it's a state he won by 42 points. candidates matter. look at the special elections. conor lamb in pennsylvania. that matters. we'll see a didn't story play out in the five senate seats

where president trump won those states by double digits. we'll see a completely different story play out in the way those candidates embrace president trump. then the congressional districts, as you mentioned, where you have 23 congressional districts that hillary clinton won. you'll see -- >> what is interesting that mueller offers a new political demon. it's not just nancy pelosi. it's not hillary clinton. this is a new element. will that resonate with voters? >> it will resonate with a certain subset of republican primary voters, which is what they're aiming for. the risk is by going after mueller by name and seeming like you're calling it a witch hunt, will you alienate the independents that you'll need to unseat joe donnelly. you can't just win with the base. most polls show -- all polls show that a large majority of independents do not support firing mueller, do not see him as the enemy. so this is a base play right now

for the task that is directly in front of them. the next task might require -- >> maybe you shift and only talk about the economy and further tax cuts ahead. >> unemployment is below 4%. unemployment dropped by low 4% since the year 2000 thanks to trump and the policies. conan o'brien reference. shout that from the rooftops if you're republicans. >> we're going to shout about the president who will be addressing the nra convention in dallas this afternoon. his remarks come as democrats look to embrace gun control. it's a big issue ahead of the mid terms. what the president needs to say. we'll debate. >> the president entertained ideas from the other side of the aisle. he put his foot down and said your second amendment is your second amendment. so gun owners are looking forward to hearing the president address them. dear great-great-grandfather,

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>> fox news alert. president trump is in route to dallas to address the nra convention. his returns to the gathering comes after recent gun massacres have moved the gun debate front and center. last year president trump's visit to the nra was like a hero's homecoming. this time things could be different as turnout from pro gun voters could offset what republicans fear could be a disaster at the polls in november. what do you think about that? >> i think -- i think democrats run a risk in trying to embrace

gun control efforts too much. i think this issue, people tend to couch it incorrectly it's not an left issue right. it's a regional issue. you can go back to 2013 where you had 16 democrats that voted against an assault weapons ban. nine are still in the senate. you won't hear about gun control efforts from these democrats that we mentioned before running in states that president trump won by double digits. so i think it's wrong. i don'ts think it's positive for democrats to embrace. >> we heard a lot about the new energy among gun control advocates. some of these efforts are led by students. everything coming out of parkland. because they're big, visible manifestations like giant marches, i can understand why people take notice and say this could be a factor in the

elections. it's true. there's a counter point and a backlash to that to people that support the second amendment that worry the counter restrictions that they're posing will lead to other things that they're not terribly guard about when they speak freely. speaking of the nra in particular, they have seen a massive fund-raising bonanza since parkland because there's millions of members and new members joining that say i might not love the nra and everything they stand for but i care about my rights and they're one of the most important organizations in the country protecting these rights. i might not be marching in a street but i'm going to vote and donate. >> and i ask you politically, does it make sense to send him there today given everything he's fighting one way or the other? does it change the story in the

headline for better or for worse? >> i don't think it changes the story. there's so many things happening in the news. we'll see what he says. you never know what he will say. this is a play mostly to his base. he won't make a ton of news. if you have candidates in swing districts younger and able to take about the gun issue in a more nuanced way that say i support the second amendment and the right to bear arms, maybe we can have a conversation about how kids can be safer in school, church or concerts. if you have a younger generation of politicians listening to the activists on the ground, you may change the conversation, not this year, maybe not next year but this is how they change. ronald reagan supported the assault weapons ban. look where we are. feels like this may be a moment that is starting to shift. we'll see. >> yes, there's an effort here by the white house to get the president out there and rally

the base. but also this president really feeds off of a crowd's energy. he feels bombarded from the mueller front and other issues, stormy daniels, getting in front of a huge crowd lifts his spirit. actually part of the strategy here as well. >> you think so? >> i think the president and the nra feel like they have been inappropriately demonized. there will be a lot for them to -- >> commiserate. >> exactly. there's something to that. the nra lost control of the narrative after parkland. a lot of their members and a lot of second amendment advocates are upset about that. >> president trump and top border patrol officers firing back after a new report shows my grand traffic along the southwest border up more than 200% in april compared to last year. whether it's time for lawmakers to take action?

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southwestern border surged 223% last month compared to april last year. that's according to u.s. customs and border protection. the president tweeted our southern border is under siege. must build a will. mexico is doing little to help. the deputy commissioner says the white house cannot successfully tackle this problem without congress. take a listen. >> we have a renewed commitment in this white house, this president about border security. we're seeing the rises in the numbers because of what exists in the way immigration law is enforced. we have to close the loop holes. the president has given us resources to add while. we're trying to hire agents, adding capability with technology and access, but wu need the laws to be changed so when people get arrested,

they're removed back to their country. >> president trump calling for congress to act. we're heading into an election season. do you foresee anything happening in congress on this front? >> no. even when there was a deadline looming and there was bipartisan support for a compromise on daca and border security, we didn't get anything there. there were four compromises put forward. they went 0 for 4 on passing any of them. this report, the 223% surge in the southwestern border underscores the fact that the border is not secure. i'm open to solutions on immigration. i'm not a super hard liner on that issue. when you have elites claiming the border is close to secure or let's figure out what to do with the illegal immigrants are here and low focus on them without fixing the problem that

continues to exist, many normal people say that is crazy. that is dealing with a symptom while there's this open gate. that's why president trump was a successful candidate. many people in both parties with good intentions were unwilling to clearly state the truth, which is the certain border is not secure. that remains true today and it's not okay. >> everybody looks at the pictures of the southern border and people dangling on the fence and it's an argument for their position. whether they're angry about the border not being secure, whether -- they're angry about people coming and shoving in line in front of other people that are there, were they feel sad for people fleeing or worried that people are thinking about kirsten nielson talking about the people that are known or suspected terrorists. they all see proof what it is. the answer is reforming our system. you know, whatever way you're looking at this front, it's

broken. there's something wrong with it. we need to sit down and fix it rather than clawing at each other's eyes. >> how does this play out politically? >> i agree with guy. congress isn't going to do anything about it. they've had several opportunities. melissa is right. our country doesn't know what it wants to be in terms of immigration. on one hand, you want businesses to have guest workers that come in and help when unemployment is historically low, which it is right now. but also -- this is something that we don't talk about very often. that there is an influx of immigration, illegal and otherwise, when the economy is improving. after 2008, the numbers went down. when president trump was elected, there were fewer border an apprehensions. finding a way to get people in the country to further improve the economy. if you don't, if you have labor

shortages in critical industries, the economy stagnates and nobody needs that. >> i don't think competing interests though. all of these things can be solved together, not to the exclusion of the other if people will sit down and come up with a solution together. >> you're right. >> i don't think it's that hard. you can put funding at the border. fill the slots that are there. >> congress should do it. you're right. they need a system, you need a rationale conversation. >> we should fix it on the couch. >> congress should do it. >> good luck. >> i was told mexico would pay for the wall. >> maybe they will. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. managing blood sugar is not a marathon. it's a series of smart choices. and when you replace one meal or snack a day with glucerna made with carbsteady to help minimize blood sugar spikes you can really feel it. glucerna. everyday progress. ♪ with expedia you could book a flight,

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fox news way back in the day as a 17-year-old intern at hannity and combs. that right versus left. we're resurrecting that model and modernizing it as millenials. we're buds, we disagree, lots of politics and cultural stuff and sports as well. >> we're both college football fans. >> what do you hope to accomplish with the show? >> we want people to see you can disagree without being nasty and hateful. they're important issues, we care deeply. but can you show people there's a way to do it. >> that will add so much to the discussion right now, when you illustrate that you can disagree but still be friends. >> we want important conversations and have fun. >> all right. everyone will be tuning in, congratulations. >> thank you. >> we'll be there with popcorn and headphones. >> you'll kill it, we know that. very, very smart conversation. looking forward to it. >> we're stoked.

>> we are back on monday, right here at noon eastern, 9:00 in the west on the couch. melissa francis in for harris faulkner. >> melissa: fox news alert awaiting the president's speech before the national rifle association's annual convention as he sounds off on the mueller probe. let's go to outnushed overtime, i'm melissa francis. later this hour, a friendly audience in dallas when the president speaks to the group that was one of his earliest backers, the nra, at their annual convention. this as the president battles controversy closer to home telling reporters before departing washington that nobody wants to talk to robert mueller more than he does. if he thought the meeting would be fair he would override his lawyers. >> president trump: negotiate wants to speak more than me. against my lawyers. most lawyers say never speak on anything. would i love to speak. because we've done nothing wr