>> sean: wow. a joyful day in the life of joy behar. good job, joy. it's usually meghan mccain who is doing the good job there but we love whoopi goldberg. will always be fair and balanced. we are not the destroy-trump media. let not your heart be troubled. there she is, laura ingraham. >> laura: i think the earth is opening up and this guys going to fall in because you just said something nice about joy. this could be the beginning. you've kim jong un a trump june 12. you and joy touring the country, a live show. i would buy tickets to that. >> sean: the last time i was on the child -- >> laura: they love you there. >> sean: i do love will be goldberg. elizabeth has a back has always been a friend. we love her. i think meghan mccain is doing amazing. here's the thing, it was the screaming match and barbara walters couldn't stop it. and i said i don't need this headache. i work enough. four hours a day of the @seanhannity have an is enough

for the whole world. how are you? >> laura: i was on a couple times. hugh jackman was on before me, so i was purposely happy to talk to him. >> sean: the differences we have. by the way, your ratings have been phenomenal. congratulations. all your wins, you've been such a great addition to our lineup. >> laura: thank you so much commotion. great show tonight. good evening from washington where i am laura ingraham and this is "the ingraham angle." president trump basked in the glow of his latest tip about tribes with north korea of course, and a make america great again rally in indiana. >> do you remember everybody, the fake news, when they were saying he's going to get us into nuclear war. and you know what gets you into other wars? weakness. weakness. >> laura: plus there is evidence that actually prove collusion, collusion between mueller and comey pin we are going to share the details.

meanwhile, cnn's favorite porn lawyer denies democrats are paying his fees but who he is. sure ain't stormy. why in the world are group of house republicans suddenly in such a hurry to get amnesty for the dreamers? we will tell you. but first a tale of two confirmations for cia director. john brennan and gina haspel. that is the focus of tonight's angle. let's take a trip back to 2013 when democrats actually supported what they now oppose. on march 7 of that year, the senate had confirmed obama cia director nominee john brennan. now bear in mind, he was previously director of the national counterterrorism center and reportedly a supporter of enhanced interrogation. 13 republicans were among the 63 senators who voted to confirm brennan, including senators lindsey graham and john mccain.

just two democrats voted against the nominee, pat leahy and jeff merkley along with independent bernie sanders. now, the issue of brennan's involvement in the enhanced interrogation in that whole program didn't concern the democrats on the senate intel committee back then. of the 50 democrats who voted to confirm brennan in 2013, 36 are still in office. during brennan's confirmation hearing in february of 2013, weaponized drones were the big issue. this is how the question of waterboarding was addressed. >> what steps did you take to stop cia from moving to these techniques you now say you found objectionable at the time? >> i did not take steps to stop the cia's use of those techniques. i was not in the chain of command of that program. i've expressed my personal objections and used to agency colleagues about certain of those eit's such as waterboarding, and others where i profess my personal objections to it but i did not try to stop it because it was, you

know, something that was being done in a different part of the agency under the authority of others. and it was something that was directed by the administration at the time. >> laura: and that was that. move on. while, it wasn't until december of 2014 when the senate intel committee released a report severely criticizing enhanced interrogation, describing the techniques as torture, which yielded little intelligence. that anyone began to really care that much about it. during a press conference at ca director, sp 24 suddenly reversed course, defended the program, and refused to label techniques like waterboarding torture. even the media seemed a little bit synthetic. nbc's andrea mitchell, she lobbed this soft ball at the ca director. >> do you think the bin laden case can be attributed in some part to enhanced interrogation techniques or torture?

>> the detainees who were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques provided information that was useful and was used in the ultimate operation to go against bin laden. >> laura: well, not only did he go on the record defending the bush administration's aggressive interrogation tactics, he also reportedly objected to the obama administration's decision to release the bush interrogation memos and other related documents. apparently he did think the program have value, whether or not it actually led to the elimination of bin laden, who knows. but remember brennan was that ca's deputy executive director when enhanced interrogation techniques were being used. and he still was confirmed as cia director by democrats. brennan was also the superior to gina haspel. now president trump's nominee to become cia director. >> were you involved in any way

in the creation of the enhanced interrogation program? >> senator, i was not, and i was not writing the program until about a year into its existence. >> laura: and get to learn about the enhanced interrogation at about the same time? as gina haspel? congress. yes. fast forward to today. nancy pelosi and her fellow democrats want to raise a big fuss and pretend that they hold the moral high ground against torture? where were her objections or any of their objections when they were being briefed on these techniques? instead, democrats and republicans like mccain and paul are using haspel's involvement in the program to try to block her confirmation as cia director. boy, what a difference four years makes. >> mr. brennan is without a doubt qualified for this position.

people who have worked closely with him regularly cite his work ethic, his integrity, and his determination. john brennan, by all accounts, will be a strong leader. >> while many nominees have classified backgrounds, you are very unique. were you and advocate for destroying the tapes? >> are you aware of what those tapes contained? did you oversee the enhanced interrogation of all machinery which included the use of the waterboarding as publicly reported? yes or no. >> laura: what happened? what happened to the first one? why do the democrats who supported to be 24 now oppose gina haspel? what changed? very confusing. i will tell you with change. donald trump is now president. and the democrats he must be stopped at all costs, and he be denied the personnel to help advance his agenda. it's not a tale of two

confirmations, it's a tale of the two faces of the democratic party. one face that supported robust national security and the other will do whatever it takes to stop drop and then regain power. and that's the angle. joining us now reaction from boston, jeff beatty, retired delta force officer who also worked as a counterterror official at the cia. and i don't -- idaho, former cia operative mike baker and here in washington, risible, former obama defense department official and current senior fellow at the new america foundation. great to see all of you. mike, i believe you trained with gina. you can give us a little insight into her and her experience. we demonstrated how duplicitous the democrats are. they supported brennan and now suddenly gina haspel is a problem. but gina haspel, her work ethic,

her experience, who she is as a person, you know this well. >> yeah, we were in training at the same time. what seems like a long time ago, the beginning of our respective careers. she obviously has excelled where you could argue mine was somewhat mediocre. look, either what you should be doing is taking this monologue, the angle, and putting on a continuous loop because it is absolutely correct. the idea that somehow they are able to now draw a sharp divide between the confirmation process for john brennan, who i do have a lot of respect for. while experience officer. unless they have some different standards for a male director designate and a female director designate, and i can imagine they do. then how do you possibly explain this other than, as you pointed out, the difference is trump. and i found most interesting of the open questions that were asked yesterday in the open session of the hearings, these questions about, how did you

feel about it? what did you think about it? what really counts when you're talking with the intel community and the military and law enforcement, what are the laws on the books at that time. how somebody feels about it frankly, i don't care. and i don't think the american public really cares what that feels are. can you imagine if a combat brigade or your operational people and your intelligence committee go out and basically are making their decisions in a visually on how they may feel? >> laura: the values question came up a lot. rosa, i want to go to you. even people very critical of this president, philmont, the cia analyst on cnn, he was asked about kamala harris' values questions to gina haspel. he said you think this is moral what was being done. she stayed on the morality question. this is what she said. >> do you believe the previous interrogation techniques were immoral? >> she spoke about american values and she spoke about rule of law. i appreciate what she votes on.

she can vote however she wants. i don't appreciate the collective amnesia. >> laura: collective amnesia, obviously referring, and again that's a consistent critic of the president, collective amnesia on the part of democrats who voted enthusiastically for john brennan. >> laura, i think you're highlighting the fact that hypocrisy and spineless this are bipartisan vices here. i am disappointed in gina haspel. i think she didn't answer a straight question and she owes us an answer to the straight question do you think it's immoral. she dodged it completely. but you are absolutely right. do the obama administration soft pedal this issue? we are seeing scrutiny of gina haspel. i think you're wrong about what dilemma democrats are facing. the irony here is the democrats like the fact that gina haspel is not an ideologue. she's a professional. she's not somebody who's conveyancing i want to advance the republican agenda. she is single from i just want to advance the american agenda. democrats like that about her a lot more than they like many of terms political appointees. but the downside is that if you

want that, you've got to embrace somebody who seems to have embraced torture, which democrats aren't -- >> laura: she didn't design the program. >> well, laura. i have to throw the challenge flag. >> laura: jeff is coming in on us with the challenge flag. >> i've got to throw that challenge flag, rosa. torture is a propaganda word. that's a propaganda and it's chosen to evoke an emotional response. it's chosen to conjure up images of putting people on the rack or cutting off fingers or limbs. let's be accurate. let's not be propaganda. if you train your people at georgetown to use propaganda terms, you've got to -- i don't allow my students use loaded thing which like that. let's talk about what it is. it's not the rack. it's not cutting people's figures off or limbs off. it's waterboarding. if you want to talk about waterboarding, let's talk about a very let's not go for the

specific to the general. and the general is generally a lot more heinous than what we are talking about. >> laura: but jeff, i think -- hold on. i think what rosa is saying is there is a convention against torture. there is a u.n. convention against torture. however we shifted our understanding of what that means and after 9/11, we wanted the information. as your former commando extremes, we wanted the information to stop these attacks. if anyone of us who had a kid who had been kidnapped and one person knew where our child was, we would say do whatever you have to do to get that information. we would say that as parents, we know that. >> yes, you would. >> it's like having a pet dog and you train the dog to bring the paper to you and the dog does what you wanted to do, followed your instructions, and now years later, you beat the dog with the paper. you know, it's like, is it legal? it was, and she did legal procedure. it was investigated twice. found to be legal.

>> laura: she is eminently qualified. to be cia director by any fair indication or examination of her background. what she feels as a person is frankly not relevant to her job as a person in charge of the thailand black site. her feelings. what is that mean, your feelings. it such a democrat, lib way. what are your feelings? rosa has to get back in. mike, hold on. rosa first. >> this is not my propaganda word. there's real irony here. it's funny to me however is talk about the world war ii generation is the greatest generation, so after world war ii when we faced an absolutely existential threat, we prosecuted in the tokyo tribunals to mowing prosecutor japanese soldiers for waterboarding u.s. soldiers, and we called it torture then. the same way we have called it torture consistently. that's what the law calls it. it's not what i call it. there is a brief period in the bush of administration when some of dick cheney's lawyers decided they didn't want to call it

torture because they wanted to be able to do it. that was repudiated a few years later, even by the bush of administration. >> laura: cheney still says we should be doing waterboarding. cheney was out there tonight. [all speaking] >> i can't believe we are not concerned that it was applicabl applicable. >> laura: let me get to mike first and then we will go back. >> thank you. i can't believe we are going through this and relitigating it again with somebody who is is eminently qualified in this position as gina haspel's. look, what they did so well, those years ago when when this was front burner topic, the far left seized the moral high ground and said everything except talking to a detainee is torture. everything. now, i understand, obviously it's an emotive subject but frankly that's not the case. there are areas, it's like everything else. it's not this without. there are areas, and they've obviously referred to as enhanced interrogation

techniques, that existed. may i remind you of the department of justice, office of legal counsel, we did on this repeatedly and clearly and on and vigorously. and now that information passes to the general counsel. the agency that was disseminated to the field. can i point out one of the thing. there's a well-worn path between langley where the cia headquarters is and capitol hill, back in 2002 and 2003 going to the talking to the gang of eight. >> laura: i made that point. they were briefed. nancy pelosi learned about at the same time gina did. jeff. >> i think it's important her nice another aspect of what you brought out in the angle. talking about that this is more about donald trump than it is about gina haspel. and even into the republicans involved in this, salute to senator mccain. he actually encouraged me back midday to run for senate which i did. maybe i should be managing for that because i got my clock

cleaned here against john kerry. i have the highest respect for him and everything that he went through. but i think he's letting his animus against president trump bleed over into this. i mean, you know he is a strong dislike for the president, and when he says don't come to my funeral, that's a strong dislike. and i'm afraid that he's so respected that out of respect to him, than other republican senators may accede to his wish that it does know many of president trump not get confirmed. and i think it's a mistake, and i hope that he will change his mind about it and i hope his colleagues will recognize she's a professional. it's like if you've got a great group of people, you want some but he knows how to best use them. nobody knows better than she how to get the best out of the agency, and we are today she's going to respect the law. >> laura: guys, we could have in our conversation about this. so many other intel topics who would love to have you all back. fantastic conversation, everything one of you. we really appreciate it. after all the time, we may finally have evidence of

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>> laura: we say this a lot but documents obtained by judicial watch they confirm collusion between mueller and comey. in the emails, fbi officials advised former director james comey to consult with the special counsel mueller before comey testified to congress. what? that substantiates news reports that comey met with mueller prior to his testimony before the senate intel committee in june of last year. johnny is not with more on this, is tom fenton, the president of judicial watch. we are also joined by whitewater deputy independent counsel saul

walsenburg along with the rnc committee woman from california practicing attorney. civil rights attorney. great to see all of you. tom, it's tough to get documents out of this justice department and you had to file how many suits to get this nugget about comey and mueller? >> two federal losses, freedom of information act lawsuits. we began asking for documents in august of last year. 15 or so pages and last week or so. they shall come as you say, james comey was fired by the president and within a day or so, he's coming getting with the fbi about upcoming testimony because all of congress wanted him to testify. you see the email. dear jim. hi, jim. can recording it, what information do you need me to have? >> laura: we have a couple full screens of the emails. director, and response your email below we've consulted with consecutive management here including the general counsel and recommend the following.

there is mistakes. there's typos. consult with the special counsel mueller to determine the timing of any such trust money. so the time he should be worked out with mueller. is there any benign explanation for this? >> typically there would be some coordination, but what comey said was beyond the pale in terms of what government officials are typically allowed to say in such situations. certainly if you are an fbi director and you are having meetings with president of the united states, typically the agency tallies you you're not allowed to talk about. you're not allowed to talk about documents you created at the fbi about those conversations. comey had free rein during his testimony and it was blessed both by the fbi it looks like and by mr. mueller. >> laura: sol, this is curious. as they refer to an email, i guess there are institutional

privileges or prerogatives that may be presented by any such testimony. so the fbi, special counsel's office, met with james comey. we want to basically cordon eight about their concerns. i guess, i don't know the institutional privileges, things that comey wouldn't have to reveal presumably on capitol hill. do you see any problems with this, the appearance of coordination? >> i don't see any problem for mueller. to me, this isn't really new news. i think comey at the time announced he was going to consult with mueller. it's very clear that comey has had a man crush on mueller for quite some time and wants wrap himself in mueller's glory. i haven't actually read these latest emails that tom got. i don't think there's anything wrong with comey going to mueller and saying i'm going to testify. do you have any problems with what i'm going to say or how i'm going to say it? do we know that mueller blessed

anything, or is that just somebody surmised? again, nothing surprises me about james comey. i don't think it's be used for smear mueller. >> laura: here's another big story. her me to come i want to get into this. devin nunes and trey gowdy went to the justice department today and they were allowed to review certain classified documents. they said this afterward. we had a productive discussion today with officials at the office of director of national intelligence, department of justice, fbi and ruth questions related to the intel community. committed to holding further discussion of these matters. we look forward to continuing dialogue. blah, blah, blah. this follows newness threatening contempt of congress against jeff sessions. threatening contempt of congress to get anywhere. what, where is this going? >> looks bad for the reputation of the department of justice and the fbi here. it takes threats, repeated threats. it's like those movies where the villains are chasing the train

and they are throwing stuff off the back to try to delay them. it's like that. but eventually they're going to have to pay the piper and conformed with information. they are doing it very slowly. clearly something they have to hide because if they didn't have summing to hard to know it's really ironic here is that the department of justice is an inferior branch of government created by congress. for them to arrogantly say that they are somehow above their congress and they don't have to answer requests like the rest of the government it's really outrageous. the president wants them to cooperate. they put out the story the doj that the white house is on board with what they're doing but then the white house but not as dim as i know actually want you to cooperate. just don't give them this extra top high secret. we have seen from the redactions in the past that have been grudgingly unveiled and that they were enough in burger. they were simply there to protect the due date. >> laura: they were exculpatory. they were exculpatory. not for the doj. >> for flynn and other people. they are protecting.

>> laura: there is always a tug-of-war between congress and the executive branch. that has always existed. >> knocked two this degree. >> laura: this takes it to an new level. kimberley strassel has an interesting analysis to make "the wall street journal." she writes it's about the fbi source. she says we know mr. nunez's request deals with the top secret intel source of the fbi and cia who is a u.s. citizen and who was involved in the russia collusion probe. we might take this to mean that the fbi secretly had a person on the payroll who used his or her nonfbi credentials to interact in some capacity with the term campaign. stressful has incredible sources, i know that. she seems to be indicating that there could've been someone inside the term campaign from the fbi who was embedded in there. i guess spying on the term campaign. we will see if any of this pans

out but tom. >> we had confirmation last week from the house intelligence committee that there was a counterintelligence operation against flynn while he was on the campaign are working for the transition. >> laura: how does that play out? out? wiretaps or what? >> what did the program entail? this justice berman takes the approach of the modified limited hangout in terms of information. four months the mueller operation sat on the fact that they had the strzok-page messages. then we found out about the clinton dnc dossier. there is going to a third or fifth shoe that drops. i don't believe there's classified information at issue here. there is embarrassing information. >> laura: sol, the strassel points. i know you love ifs. if the fbi embedded someone inside the term campaign with a

belief or religion or purpose, if rester was really trying to throw the election if they it information indicating that, they put someone inside the term campaign burrowed away looking in one of those cubicles, with his you're out or her ear out, what's the problem there if there's a problem there? >> bo, there's a big problem unless you have the same kind of problem you have when you search a lawyer's office. you better have some thing really, really good to be able to justify that. here's the problem. there's an old saying. before i go any further, let's give credit to john ehrlichman, the author of modified limited hangout. i would want to leave him twisting slowly, slowly and the wind from alora. >> laura: excellent. >> keep in mind there's an old saying the wages of crying wolf. harmeet put her finger on it. we've seen too many instances where the department of justice in the api has said we have to redact this because it's endangering national security and its class by.

we've seen no time after time where it's been unredacted and it's just been embarrassing. the latest example -- when you do that two or three times the floor going to stop believing in. you lose all credit ability. we saw that last weekend when they finally unredacted to passages in the house intelligence committee majority report, the select committee report, they revealed two incredible things. one that the fbi didn't think mike flynn had lied. we heard about that. >> laura: huge. >> shocking. that people haven't focused on enough, that the underlying crime mike flynn was being investigated for was the logan act, an act that spent a dead letter for over 200 years. absolutely shocking. >> laura: then john kerry never violated, of course. >> it's really shocking. it's really shocking that sally yates would approve and green

light an investigation of anybody for violating the logan act. >> laura: let's talk turkey. we are way over. sound. the hissy fit of a resignation letter. oh, come on. she marches herself or the agents to interview flynn. that whole thing smells like a big fat set up to me. sally yates. having any business going to interview mike flynn. he didn't even have a lawyer. of course i'll talk to you. mike flynn should've never talked to them. he didn't think anything of it. i want to do an hour with you. i need a five hour show. i love my guest. thank you guys you're so great. another day, another claim by stormy daniels' attorney that doesn't hold water. will address the huge question about who's bankrolling avenatt avenatti.

>> laura: michael avenatti is on the other networks. he's practically contributor the

other to treated more like an investigative journalist or an impartial analyst. then the lawyer representing a porn star accusing the president, et cetera, et cetera. an op-ed in the hill by a former advisor to president clinton raises a serious question. who who is paying michael avena? mark penn noted it took a long time, and even a court battle to find out that the clinton campaign and the democratic national committee paid for the fusion gps dossier, fact it was only disclosed only after the damage was done. avenatti shot back in a tweet today that insisted all comes from donation or his client. penn cited a tweet from stormy daniels admitting she's not paying her lawyer. let's look into this with ari fleischer, former white house spokesman under president george w. bush. along with joel payne, democratic charges. let's start with you, ari. a avenatti's premature cohost of

shows all day long. i don't know how it is any legal research or legal memos because he's always on television. he says that's when he gets tips and info because people seem and i guess they text him or give them information that could first case. we have some legal issues perhaps now because he received his banking information from michael cohen. on this issue of payment and who pays him, do you buy that he is crowdfunding his fees. i know it lawyers cost when they are extensive. >> i think it's possible. i think is also looking at this as a big payday because he's getting publicity and that can lead to other clients. so when he says he's not being paid by any political operatives or big rich people, that's what he says. either he's lying or telling the truth. i don't think he has reason to lie about who pays him. i do think it's possible it could be crowd sourced. but what bothers me the most, laurel, is he comes across a much more as a political operative and what does he want

for his client? his client already received $130,000 of his client already spilled the beans. she violated the nda, the nondisclosure, said everything she wanted to say. so i don't legally understand what other issues she has that he represents her for. he just seems to have a vendetta for president trump, and he comes across much more as a political operative it's always invited onto tv, as you said, just like he was a contributor on the other networks. >> laura: drawl come i want to play. something going back a little bit. to march 25, when he was on 62 minutes. let's watch. >> in college, and law school, he did opposition research for rahm emanuel. some people looking at that we'll say you are politically motivated. >> i haven't done anything in politics in over 20 years. >> but this is not the usual case you take on. you are a former democratic operative and you are talking about deposing the president. that sounds political. >> no, it sounds righteous. >> how so?

>> because my client is credible. she is telling the truth. >> laura: okay, well, she first said she didn't have a affair, signed a statement, brokered an agreement and asked for around $30,000 from cohen. here's what his political donations were. we have a full screen of this. barbara boxer, gave 1,000. john kerry for president. edwards for president. 1252 gebhart. about $6,000 income divisions and they went back to 2007. he has been politically active. he got 20 years wrong. is there any doubt in your mind, joel, that this is a democrat lawyer who is advising a client to break in nda and try to seek fame and glory against donald ray trump -- donald j. trump. >> who was cared. i care more about who's paying michael cohen, where his monies coming from, then who pays michael avenatti. i wish the energy spent on laying out the money trail behind him, spend that same type

of energy on donald trump in his dealings. >> laura: i don't like the swamp whether it's in new york or washington. at all. i didn't like it when john podesta and the podesta is cashed in on their connection with the clintons. i mean, if someone cashing in on their friendship or association with an esteemed political figure is going to throw people in jail just for wanting to cash in on it, then, than premature going to have jails full all over washington and new york. that happens all the time. if there is a pro quo for promised action, someone could be in trouble here. but w00t we are hearing from the council representing the president is the president didn't know who his clients wer. at&t basically used him for a while and said they're not getting anything out of it. >> this isn't about a flashy lawyer. it's not about an adult film actress. >> laura: really? >> it's about a a president who

struggles more and more each day whether it's about inauguration crowd size. >> laura: you are on that? >> financial records, health records, whether it's about having an extramarital affair. >> laura: i want to know. >> it's a president who can't tell the truth. it's not about a lawyer. >> laura: are the president's numbers going up? >> i'm sure the president is going to see his numbers go up and go down. >> laura: why do you think they've been going up? the more the other cable channels are obsessed with stormy, obsessed with cohen. there, 24/7. the north korea story is an afterthought. wire's numbers, why do 57% of americans say we are going in a positive direction now in this country? why? >> why do 85% of americans think they want to know about what happened with the bob miller investigation. >> laura: i think what we are seeing is that the president is responding to the will of the people. peace and prosperity. and there are always going to people running around claiming that this happened, that happen, whether it's a porn star, now

it's michael cohen. and michael cohen through the election. ari fleischer, outlook, avenatti, we've seen this type running around for decades. there's always a michael avenatti. there's always someone who's either an operative, an opposition research by her lawyer was going to make a lot f money and get a lot of fame out of trashing, whether it's clinton or whether it's trashing in this case donald trump. you are thoughts on whether he could have any exposure given the fact that he now has those making records, of government type of banking form you have to report when you get certain amount of money. he actually had copies of those. is there any possible problem of his receiving those copies? >> well, certainly there can be. that was illegally obtained. if he was the recipient of something illegally derived, it can be a problem for him. he's an officer of the court may fees traffic and something come of it was obtained against the

law, it's private financial information. that michael cohen is entitled to. bob mueller can have it. obviously does. private substance should be able to get it. the other issue that avenatti has is the kid glove treatment he's given when he goes on the other shows. laura, when nbc came out without us report that said michael cohen was wiretapped and had to walk it back, avenatti said it's a fact, he said, a fact that he was wiretapped before nbc walked aback. he did interviews the next day after the walk back. nobody challenged mona. nobody said to him you said yesterday was a fact. why do you say that since we now know it's not a fact. so easy to be a trump critic these days because you can go on the show's and they are so anti-trump. they just let you say whatever you want to say. >> laura: 90% of the coverage is negative. >> avenatti's proof of that. >> laura: he was asked earlier tonight whether he made a mistake with the different michael cohens he basically said we didn't get confused. he had another michael cohen

when listed on the payment, and it wasn't the michael cohen when in new york. >> had no idea michael avenatti -- >> kind of reminds you of christopher steele. >> is he going against trump boris trump the guy -- >> laura: you can talk over me but it doesn't change the fact. the president of the united states, his approval numbers would you guys hang your hat on when they are down are going up, as the media are obsessed by a couple topics. mueller and daniels. that's what they go with morning, noon, and night. the american people i think are beginning to tune it out. you're right. we probably should talk about substantive matters, north korea and the other things happening. i think the people, ari, the see-through someone like avenatti. they see through them and he already said he wants a cable show. he wants -- he will entertain offers to get his own cable show. he will probably get one. thanks so much, both of you. some republicans are trying to pull an end run around the president's plan to secure the border. we are going to get the inside scoop from congressman dave brat who's on it next.

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>> laura: a few more liberal republicans are pushing a bill in the house to legalize b12 and protect the so-called dreamers from deportation. house speaker paul ryan dismiss the measure as a show pony and said he wants to build a president can sign. the bill is also at odds with how conservatives who favor congressman bob goodlatte tough, smart, pragmatic immigration enforcement measure. let's discuss where this is all heading. it's a three card monte going on about immigration. dave brat, this is wild because if people were talking about this moderate liberal republican push for a daca bill and saying that is the pathway to the goodlatte bill, what? it's not a pathway to the good love bill. it's a nightmare. >> there is a complicated technical thing. four bills and play. goodlatte won't pass. what does pass questioning the dreamer bill.

3.6 million dreamers with jane in ten years it's 10 million illegal granted pathway to citizenship. speaker ryan said we are going to pass the goodlatte bill. it it is in committee. members told me it hasn't passed out of committee. that's the first step. if they want to whip it, they can get the goodlatte bill. >> laura: everyone watching needs to know paul ryan, we like paul ryan buddies on his way out has not moved this bill in the committee. the committee has to move it out to consider about on the floor. it has to go to the senate. the senate is not going to prove the goodlad bill. 60 votes in the senate is a problem. >> you can use it for the midterms. can i play something for you. the president tonight was in indiana. this made me smile. let's watch. >> joe donnelly voted against enhanced vetting. think of that. what, what in the world would

anybody be doing voting against enhanced vetting? why? >> that's exactly right. >> laura: enhanced vetting for people coming into the country. who they are, why they're here, refugees or anyone else. >> the goodlad bill does everything we want. e-verify, chain migration, builds the wall. everything. senator obama was for all of that. >> laura: he was mr. border hawk. >> the goodlatte bill is a copper vise. the democrats asked thousand daca, get them out of the shadows might give them pathway to status. we said okay, will compromise with you. trump offers 2 million. a bigger compromise. democrats say no. now we have 25 republicans doing an end run with 200 democrats. that's the play. the people at home missed the main point, it's 25 republicans leapfrogging over leadership. if they get 25 -- >> laura: all they need is 25.

and then daca is the law of the lands. that's the problem. everybody watching understands we need the goodlatte bill. it's a trick pony. it's not a show pony. >> it's a trojan horse. >> laura: we are on every equine reference here. >> are we cantering? no he's gone. that's really bad. congressman dave brat, always good to have you on. up next, we are going to take you on a tour beyond the headlines and tell you about the real story about a controversial i.c.e. raid. don't go away. save big during the go outdoors event and sale at bass pro shops and cabela's. like bass pro or cabela's flag t-shirts

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>> laura: let's take you on a journalism field trip beyond the headlines. sometimes the real story isn't in the headline. the lead is often buried to hide

the real story. for instance commode look at this headline from tuesday's "san diego union tribune." caught on video: father arrested at gunpoint by icy officers with right shields." that sounds scary. poor father. must've been traumatized. until you read further down a few paragraphs and you discover the 31-year-old was convicted for beating his wife in 2007. according to i.c.e., he has illegally reentered the country 16 times since 2003. not until we get several paragraphs deeper into the story do we get the real story from a i.c.e. because when officers tried to arrest alonso, he back into his house and headed upstairs with his family. officers then got an arrest warrant to enter the house. oops. so much for the traumatized father angle. now take this one from the "new york daily news" yesterday. here's the headline. cornell university student presents thesis in bra,

underwear to protest oppressive beliefs. actually the student wasn't fighting oppressive beliefs at all. turns out a few days the students professor expressed shock that the girl would offer a draft of her thesis wearing cutoff shorts. so the student obviously miffed retaliated on wednesday, stripping down to her underwear and bra to deliver her actual thesis presentation. she claimed her mother who is surprised a feminist gender sexuality studies professor would be fine with her insurance. come on. far from a protest against oppressive beliefs, we have a student protesting basic decency. and then she is willing to defame her professor and throw a pc tantrum to drum up media support. ridiculous. but there is a happy ending. she reportedly encouraged other students to strip as kind of supporting her, you know, stay

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you know what the president also said? he said people pay millions of dollars for slogans and campaigns, what was hillary's? stronger? and he said, i paid zippo. he paid nothing. he's his own campaign consultant. keep america great. he's already at 2020. shannon bream is up next with a fantastic show as always, killing it, shannon bream. take it get away. >> shannon: i guess those hats will have to change to keg, keep america great. >> laura: [laughs] exactly. >> shannon: i'm sure they will be best sellers. another big negative news beginning with this fox news alert. the president rallying thousands in a campaign style event in indiana selling out exactly how he feels about a slew of topics, including north korea north korea. ed henry standing by on that. plus a showdown between top house republicans and the justice department over classified information is reaching its tipping point. we are going to bring you some inside scoop