my daughter who is a mother now, my mom, thanks to all the mothers out there. >> laura: good evening from washington. coming up, huge news night. the return of three hostages from north korea. should have been a cause for big celebration. but that's not how the opponents of the president saw t an official is smeared as a racist for comments that are factual. also, rudy g. fires back at stormy daniels' attorney. raymonray arroyo, changes comina

starbucks near you. listen to what president trump said about the price reform and what was rolled out today. >> president trump: we don't negotiate the price of the drugs so we are spending perhaps 300 to $350 billion more for drugs buying from our drug companies. when it comes time to negotiate the cost of drugs, we are going to negotiate like crazy. you can look at some of the countries, their medicine is a tiny fraction what the medicine costs in the u.s.a. it's unfair and ridiculous and it's not going to happen any longer. it's time to end the global free loading once and for all. >> laura: the ahs secretary will be unveiling the policy. coming up, a high dive off the deep end. his piece on wednesday was headlined trump is no longer the

worst person in government. can you guess who is? no. not scott pruett, no. it's vice president mike pence. low key, self-effacing and loyal mike pence, how could that be? george will has a con fishc con. he could become the most repulsive figure. trump picked pence because america would have such revulsion for his vp, it would take the heat off the president himself. what makes pence so repulsive? will cited the post calculations that during a cabinet meeting pence praised trump once every 12 second for three minutes with such comments as, quote, i am

deeply humbled. he doesn't find the humility repulsive, he seems to have some kind of issue with pence's face. will wrote, quote, pence, one of the favorite pinups, the spirit and the vicious portion require. will was offended that pence would call himself honored by the presence of former sheriff joe apiyo. he called him a tireless champion of the rule of law. according to the repulsive humility, respect for the law, make him the authentic voice of today's republican party. well, the accusations were picked up by the feedback loop on the left as an opportunity to smear the vice president. >> who is mike pence?

i don't know. he doesn't seem to have core convicts or beliefs beyond whatever donald trump decided they are. >> he's striking this balance, trying to be the man that will inherit the mantle of trump. >> there are two vice presidents. those accused of being out for themselves that they are not serving the president who picked them and those accused of being slavishly loyal lap dogs. mike pence decided to be the latter. >> he is a titanic fraud. he's the most of all the cultists in the cabinet. we have never seen such slobberingebering in this countn we do with mike pence. >> laura: consider the source, my friend. is pence really the worst person

in government? why are the pence haters lashing out now? it's interesting. let's ask mark lotter, and democratic party activist, chris han. mark, let's go to you. i have known mike pence when he was in congress. i found that from george will really sad. he's had an unbelievable career as one of the premier columnists, writers in the united states, he doesn't like donald trump, that's fine. but i thought it was filled with such low blows. i wasn't even angry about it. i was sad about it. >> in 1986 he wrote a column called then vice president george bush a lap dog. he would go on to be a transformational president. he has a problem with vice

presidents who serve presidents of the united states. to get to use a baseball term i know george would like, the best players in the world miss seven out of ten times. he struck out in the dirt. >> laura: there were overtones in this column. he was picked up by media figures. he talks about how he genuflex at the alter. it seemed condescending about mike pence's face, questioning his face, you are not a real question. he didn't write that. you can read between the lines. i like george will. a lot of people don't like him. i have known him for a long time. it pains me to say this, but i thought the column was beneath him and filled with low blows

and not at all in any way illustrative of the man who mike pence is. he's a wonderful person and i think a very effective vice president. >> the column got picked up broadly because the vice president decided to plagiarize richard nixon. while i do think the tone was harsh, it's not like george will said his opinion doesn't matter because he's about to die, which is something that's been said inside the white house these days. we got to back off on this is such a bad thing. the vice president is the boot-liquor in chief in this administration. he praises the president, he kisses his butt. what's sad, in to 20 this president will drop him from the ticket because this president cares about ratings. who he picks at the convention will be the biggest ratings night of that week. mr. pence, you might want to stand up to this president

because he's not going to stand by you in the end. >> laura: were you concerned about vice president biden taking on obama? i'm trying to remember, wait, he never did. when did vice president biden take on obama for crewing up the healthcare website, for hounding people who applied for irs status. when did biden come out and challenge obama's abuse of power? never. why go after mike pence. you didn't criticize biden because his role is to support the president of the united states. >> why is mike pence being attacked? it's about pride and eve go of these never-trump writers. they can't admit the aagain

today is the most conservative agenda. mike pence, a man with a 99% voting record, i don't know what he ever got wrong, but he got one thing wrong, one time, in all the time in congress, you get attacked by these people because they think we are deplorable. they don't think we have any moral standing to make the case that what donald trump is doing is the right thing. >> laura: when hillary talked about the basket of deplorables. george will, in this moment, has more in common with their view of middle america from where mike pence came than he does with the conservative voters across america who said we are fed up with these parties, we are going to take somebody who takes a wrecking ball. it's unbecoming.

millions of americans are horrible, awful, racist, terrible people. really? good luck building a movement on that day. >> this is not the first time this happened. same thing happened in 1980 when the american people turned their back on the republicans. they did it in president trump and the elitists can't get over it. >> laura: trump doesn't keep a they sorries by his bed. it's the seven syllable words. i like that. i like that. but go ahead, chris. my concern here is that the timing of this is curious, they are striking out on trump. trump's numbers are going up. they think they can get something on pence. trump's numbers are improving because the results are there for the american people. >> nobody is going to base their

numbers on trump on what pence is doing. i think george will had a feeling about mike pence based on what happened in arizona when he went out there. a lot of people have reason to think joe is somebody who not be touted by the vice president or the president. he disobeyed a court order what he did was racist. so i think george will sees that. this is not the republican party, this is not the conservative movement he grew up with. he would like to see mike pence be the backbone to conservativism. mike pence has been a conservative all his life. so if he's becoming more like donald trump, then conservatives will have a problem with that. that's what he was lashing out about it. you want people to talk about it, you better say some crazy things. >> you are going good.

all i would say this, do we want to win or do we not want to win? if the president talked about winning. conservatives are getting more done. we are in a window -- >> laura: azar is going to be big. he clerked with me. he could have been a cabinet secretary. he's doing this because we got to get this prescription drug stuff, this has to be tackled. he will do a lot more. these -- hold on, chris. these are people of real substance who are doing really hard work. i think it really urks people. when steve schmidt, because he ran a great campaign with

pailen. >> we have listened to this guy for many years on his moral high horse. assaulting the dignity of guy people, across the board. his moral preening is famous throughout the land. >> laura: he just swore in a guy american to be a new ambassador to germany. so if you are a faithful christian as he is, he's, by nature homophobic. you can't disagree. it's a litany. >> he panders to people who are homophobic. i think this is a great thing for the country, the administration and america. look at the timing. if you look at the polls, it's the right track, wrong track,

improving. trumps numbers get better. you know the only place he's weak? foreign affairs. what the democrats are seeing is this big blue wave is starting to go away. >> laura: chris, i want to play a byte from nicole wallace. >> why can't you say if he says that, she will be fired. >> laura: how do you resist the temptation to run up and ring her neck? she said it's getting to her, used poorly chosen word. for that i'm sorry. they are talking about the comment made by stadler.

it was made in private. >> well, hold on a minute, guys. you know, look, matt, matt, nicole apologized, the white house should apologize about the american hero. i don't know why? john mccain, i don't agree with john mccain on a lot of things, he is a hero. >> you don't know what happened in a private meeting. none of us knows. >> they admitted it. >> i think john mccain deserves his peace and quiet. but he still has a voting record. it's okay to talk about it and okay to talk about him opposing the president's nominee. >> laura: you know what john mccain said? >> matt, so much rhetoric that needs to calm down, it start at

the top, starts with the president. >> now you are going to attack -- >> laura: well, i think chris, chris, we can go back and i can cherry pick the bright lights of the left and the entertainment industry and media, now we are threatening to choke people. we are going to blow the white house up. if we are going to talk about vitreal, check out my twitter feed. >> and mine. >> laura: don't pretend to be like these shrinking violets. john mccain is a hero. he disagreed with the president. he said don't feel sorry for me. i'm going to fight my fight, he's not someone who want to be treated with kit gloves. he's a tough guy who can handle himself and he's an amazing person. >> it's easy for the white house

to say that was unfortunate, we apologize. they are going through a trying time. >> call them. let's not try -- >> she called megan mccain. sarah needs to say something from the podium. >> we have policy disagreements with msnbc. he calls the president and acts like he has the moral high ground. same thing for nicole and these people who attack all of us republican whose stand with the president. >> it's different when it comes from the white house. you used to work there. >> my wife works there, and i don't think you should smudge the characters. >> i'm not. they are smudging their own characters. >> laura: mocking people's face, if it were done against ani an

islamic individual, mike pence has been mocked repeatedly by the popular culture that are fans and fanatics of the left. it's been tolerated, it's a wink and nod. they think christians are stupid. anyone who supports trump is an idiot. i think it's backfiring. so the left is going to try their at a tick. we are out of time, coming up, the angle dives into one of the most under-reportereported stor. it's a scandal about race and the media barely reports on. and save 25% on camelbak hydration packs.

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the white house chief of staff told mpr: >> the vast majority of people that move into the united states are not criminal. but they are also not people that would easily assimilate into the united states. they are rural people in the countries they come from, 4th, 5th, 6th grade educations. they are coming here for a reason. but the laws are the laws. >> laura: malcolm nance said disgraceful. he would have been kicked out of the u.s. marine corps fractionally the same. >> the daughter of mexican immigrants, john kelley's words were ignorance. what do you say, that is his view on immigration? you see that throughout the

entire administration. >> to only call for those with certain backgrounds is a really narrow way of understanding how immigrants have helped to build our country. >> laura: attempts to brand the trump administration as racist. as the weather armed in april, 84 people were shot and nine were killed over a 7 day period in chicago. so where is the nonstop media coverage of that? crickets. racism going on in the chicago in his latest column in news week, also civil rights attorney and forest cooper, the cochair of project 21. i want to go to lee. you wrote this piece in news week. the numbers out of chicago in a short period of time, so sad, so depressing, reminiscent of the wave of shootings and murders

last year. almost no discussion of this as we obsess on a comment that john kelley made on npr. >> 84 shot in one week, laura, it's parkland every week in chicago. there is no media coverage. it turns out that when young black men and women die in chicago, the press only comes out if they are murdered or killed by people wearing blue uniforms. this is carnage in the streets of our inner cities. we know what the real problem is. it's not guns. there is gun role, it's not ar-15s, not the nra. we know that where there are no fathers and lots of guns, there is lots of crime. where there are lots of fathers and lots of guns, no one will

talk about it. the fact that the press won't cover black on black crime is a crime in itself. >> laura: leo, john kelley gets last rated for comments that are factually true from the research survey, looking at the education levels, poverty levels of illegal immigrants as compared to native born population. the numbers are devastating. address some of the points about the graduation rates and so forth. leo, your reaction? >> i'm embarrassed. my mother had an 8th grade education. even though she wasn't educated, i'm able to be a civil rights attorney. john kelley has irish ancestry. this country brought over irish who were criminals, uneducated

and had allegiance to the catholic church. he has the audacity to challenge people who are not educated? my mother, 8th grade education. it's not high smart you are, it's what you do with that opportunity. let me be clear. there is a guy in the white house who said, please play the tape, laura, hey, to detroit and all the african-american community, give me a chance. okay, what have you done for the community, you went into the community during election 17 months ago and said the democrats haven't done anything, give me a chance. what have you done, answer that for me. please? >> laura: first of all, calm down. what he's done, he's actually done something called improve economic conditions across the board, which is why his numbers, even among african-americans where he has a lot of work to do, his numbers among

african-american males are improving. i would assume jobs and wages are important to all people. white, brown, black, asian. he's trying to stop illegal immigration which hurts the people trying to enter the work force for the first time. that's a good thing for all americans, but especially for african-americans. go ahead. >> absolutely. first of all, we are talking about the 21st century economic environment, not an 18th century, 19th century. you could get off the boat, not know the language, not have any marketable skills and still succeed. today we are already seeing this. all you got to look and see is who came in the 1990s. their children are not doing nearly as well, i'm talking about immigrants, are not doing

nearly as well as what we saw in the 1920s, 1930s, all the way up to the 1960s. we are marginalizing these people by encouraging them to come when they don't have the skills. >> laura: let me set the facts in place that indicate that john kelley is right. he said we want people to come into the country, we want people to be part of the american ideal and experience, that is our country, it's welcoming people in. but there are facts we have to confront. here are a few of them. 61% of illegal immigrants live in or near poverty compared to 31% of natives and their children. 62% of households headed by illegal immigrants, access some form of cash or non-catch welfare, 22% on food stamps, 51% on medicaid. they lack healthcare. the reason why that's important,

is it becomes another pressure point for those who need the access to those services in the united states. the poor, the marginalized. >> what happened to the american dream? >> laura: the american dream is harder to achieve if we have open borders and lawlessness. it's harder on people to achiev. leo, you can close it out. lee, this is always the case, people say what about the american dream. we have a lot of people in america who can't reach the american dream. fatherlessness. crime is another aspect. ms 13 have thrived in this open borders atmosphere. go ahead. >> we get to decide who comes here and when and what skill sets are determined to come here. it's america that decides, it's for its own people. americans don't have problems with immigrants. we are sick of this, legal and

illegal immigration. we have to have legal immigration. it's best for the immigrants themselves. my parents come from lebanon and sicily. they were taken and chosen because of their skill sets, ideas and what they can contribute to the united states, were picked for a reason, they wait years to come here. they thought it was unfair that people can cut to the front of the line and decide for themselves when they would come here and why. >> laura: leo real quick. >> it's a code for racism. we don't want you, you are not educated enough. that's the code. >> laura: leo, you have to come up with a new argument. they aren't working. latinos call into my radio show from l.a., san diego, oakland, texas, they are legal immigrants, they happen to be

latino americans and they say this has to stop. this is not how we came into this country and it's unfair and hurting our neighborhoods and our jobs and our environment. that's from them. we are out of time. i love you all. i love leo, i love leo's passion. he's the best. i'm sorry. i will be on radio, we'll do this longer segment. maxine waters going on a tirade. legos. carfax. start your used car search at the all-new carfax.com.

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arroyo. >> remember those two african-american men, now he has announced a new policy. >> we don't want to become a public bathroom, but we are going to make the right decision a hundred percent of the time and give people the key. we don't want anyone to feel as if we are not giving access to you to the bathroom because our less than. we want you to be more than. >> laura: let me get it straight. when you go running on the mall, you get the drinking fountains, when i was training for the marathon years ago, people would be cleaning their socks. so you were desperate for water. then you see someone cleaning their socks. you don't want to drink when the

socks are rung out. >> we are not going to be a public bathroom, but you are. you are giving the keys to everybody. i have spoken to starbucks managers. they say it's a health nuisance. they have to go with the hazmat outfits to clean out these things. they clean articles and clean themselves. you attract the homeless and drive away. >> laura: time to go to pete's. >> rather than having this 8,000 store unconscious bias training at the end of may, the better is put public stalls, then you could call that unconscious common sense. >> laura: i just like what he said, we don't want you to feel like you are less than. we want you to be more than. that's a deep thought. we got mad maxine.

maxine waters, we have to play, she was upset about -- >> this is an obama era, anti-racism thing for car dealerships. the republicans repealed it, she went on a tear. >> we are trying to make sure we are making america great every day and every way. the best way to do that is stop talking about discrimination and start talking about the nation. we are coming together in spite of what you say. >> mr. kelley please do not leave, i want you to know i am more offended than you will ever be. this business about making america great again, it is your president that's dividing this country. i recent the mark about making america great again, he's making a speech for this dishonnable president of the united states of america. i reserve the balance of my time. i do not yield, not one second to you. not one second to you.

>> laura: i love it. >> i'm not yielding a sec t seco you. >> laura: it's the bag. >> i wish she would get engaged and collaborate. she agrees on some issue. work with them. flood insurance, healthcare. she can find things. >> laura: that little act, that was dishonorable. that was lame. >> house rules. >> laura: we got racist legos. >> megan markle, they have created a lego, they are saying it's racist. she has the same skin tone as prince harry. i studied and found people saying the incredible hulk was lime green in his lego depiction. he's lime green and in the movie

he's dark green. we need to be consistent. lego has been charged with racism in the past. there was a job play set. he smoked a huka and that was a problem. so they werso they recalled tha. they are doing a fox set of play sets. the ingraham angle is it. this is from the collection. we'll put it up on the screen. this is you and i. just look. >> why do i have orange hair and you have big ears? i look like trump. >> i'm upset about these depicks because my ears look nothing like that. you are a little lighter. >> i'm finding that. there is inherent bias and

implicit bias against natural blondes. >> i take back the balance of my time. >> laura: i'm not using. >> not a minute to you. >> laura: out. thanks, raymond. you know the more trump succeeds, the more media complained. >> this was a staged production meant for television, meant for the cameras. >> laura: she would know staged. we are going to expose the total hypocrisy, just one minute.

>> laura: you just knew the media would have a tough time acknowledging another trump triumph. they found a way to criticize the president as he greeted three american hostages released from north korea. >> you have three prisoners of the north korean slave state,

it's about donald trump, about the ratings. >> how long will it be before these images are turned around. >> donald trump is a former reality producer. this was a staged production meant for television, meant for the cameras. >> laura: maybe she's having amnesia. just four years ago president obama staged a photo op announcing the army. obama traded five terrorists who pled guilty to desertion. right from the beginning, obama, when he was nominated, he went to that invesco field speech in denver. they brought in the roman

columns. he was good at stage production. here we have trump at 3:00 in the morning going to greet the hostages and everybody is having a meltdown. >> the president went out to give them a hero's welcome. some have to minimize it. it becomes another anti-trump story. he didn't show enough empathy, he didn't bite his lower lip and feel their pain. same thing when he went to visit the hurricane victims. >> laura: leslie, here's a yahoo! headline. trump cheapens north korea hostage return. he made an off-hand comment about we'll get ratings at 3 in the morning. that's trump. he's not making it about himself

getting ratings. this compared to bill clinton in 2009, here's headlines, release of journalists, both clintons had key roles. bill clinton and journalists, emotional return to the u.s., august 5, 2009 when he got prisoners released from north korea. the double standard, whether you are a republican or diplomat, have some fairness. >> i have to say, i am a democrat who loves to attack the president every chance i get. but this one should be about these three men released, it should not be about politics. i didn't think and i know lefties get mad at me, i didn't think it was about the president. what bothered me when he gave credit to kim jong un. these men were imprisoned, they were in the dark, they were not allowed to go outside, not given proper food or water or medical

attention. that was the thing that bothered me the moment and the comments about the ratings. it is trump. we hope day after day, he will become more presidential and forget the size of cloud. >> there is a little inconsistency. when he was attacking little rocket man, he was denounced as crazy. yes, he's saying things about him because he's going to meet him and try to negotiate and try to negotiate a nuclear disarmament. a lot of things he does is controversial. bringing home american hostages, that's not controversial. >> laura: nobody thinks the president believes kim jong un is a nice guy. he says chuck schumer and i are pauls. pals. this is part of the art of the deal. he knows when he goes to

singapore on june 12, this is a dicey deal, no one trusts them, we have had a long history of them going back on their agreements. he goes in with eyes wide open. i think it's very, very important for all the americans who are watching the show tonight to remember how the press treat democrats when they have some good news for the country versus how they treat this president, he's had multiple successes and the coverage is not anywhere near balanced. before we let you go, do you think the american people are tuning out a lot of this given that the numbers are going up for trump? >> what. >> laura: the bias, treating the press like they are irrelevant. >> they have concluded this president is never going to get a fair shake from the media. >> laura: thank you, both. it may be the one question the

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>> laura: the president's attorney, rudy giuliani turned down a debate. he said, quote, i don't get involved with pimps. he's struck a pr bonanza with his 108th appearance. an analysis shows his appearances were worth almost 175 million in free media there are serious questions about who is paying him in actual dollars. we are joined by former adviser

to president clinton. do you think this article was going to take off. he's mad at you, avenatti. >> he's never challenged, did he get these bank record. is he a lawyer or political operative? no lawyer goes on 108 appearances. that's not serving his client. >> laura: this is what he said. too bad mark penn didn't do any research. had he bothered to review google or this seed, he would know who is paying him, we did nothing, raid of the financial info, true in bosta. >> he surfaces on march 7, which means he surfaced with a

lawsuit, he arranged to represent her sometime earlier. he was asked questions about being paid. it's not until march 15 he shows up with this internet gig. he raised $470,000. who originally paid for him. who paid and what operation gathered these kind of documents. >> laura: the banking records of michael cohn. it is criminal to release those records. they are obviously, any of us have those records, how he got them, we do not know, he hasn't revealed that. he's very loquacious, but he hasn't revealed that. the inspector is anxious to know and the treasury department. it's odd because you would think that stormy's first lawyer advised her not to break her confidentiality agreement, he says break "t" break the deal and then sue that the deal is

improper. the first lawyer is no. i wouldn't advice a client to break a deal. but it got him a lot of publicity. >> what lawyer would do that? >> do you think she's road kill for him? >> i don't know if he indemnified her. he did advise her. it's not just the inspector general. no judge is going to accept something like that without knowing where they came from and how he got to it. i think we are going to get to the bottom. >> laura: do you think for the democratic party, this aspect of this smaller off-shoot in the district of new york, is it working? cohn is cohn, who knows what they are going to mind about michael cohn. but with the president and democrats, they want to unseat

trump. they want to get. out, resist him, stop his policies. they would like to beat him by removing him or beat him. is this working? you have been around this town for a long, long time. >> i spent a year fighting ken star. i don't want to see a reverse repeat of 1998. this is backfiring, i don't know whether they are paying for it behind the scenes. i don't want them to. since stormy daniels and michael avenatti have appeared on the scene, the ratings have gone through the roof. you got to get him off the air, he's not talking about the real issues that people vote on. he's distracting the country. it's a circus. >> laura: mark penn, come back soon. we'll be back to close out the week. you don't want to miss it. some advisers have hidden and layered fees.

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