rob's sister said he will know his dad is a hero. all those men and women today are as well. most-watched, most trusted, most grateful you spent the evening with us. good night from washington. i'm shannon bream. >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." it is this week, the year anniversary of the beginning of the robert mueller russia investigation. at the end of that period,d, we have discovered there is still no evidence at all of collusion between the donald trump for president campaign of 2016 and the russian government, but mueller's many supporters in washington don't seem to care about that. that's because the investigation was never about russia, obviously. the whole absurd fever dream was always a way for the ruling class to feel better about losing power in 2016. it was a way for them to avoidet thinking about why trump got elected. they never have thought about it. along the way, the investigation's provided democrats with a full year of government-funded oppo research

and destroyed the lives of a number of people who supported donald trump. those are added bonuses from the democratic perspective. but there have been downsides for democrats. voters are not impressed by the russia story.on it is weird and false and confusing. it has precisely nothing to do with voters' actual lives s or the issues they vote on. w it is a total waste of time for everyone. and yet it's all democrats have. trump is evil, so is russia. w that's the entire progressive program of 2018 summarized in two sentences. if the democratic party had a sermon on the mount, those would be the beatitudes. no wonder their approval numbers are falling. republican congressman todd rokita of indiana has introduced a resolution calling for an end to mueller's investigation or a report within 30 days. he joins us along with fellow republican ron desantis o of florida. he says he may know the identity of the person who spied on trump's campaign for the fbi in 2016. gentlemen, welcome to you both tonight. congressman rokita, first to you. i this resolution would call for

an end to the investigation or a report summarizing its findings so far. am i misstating that?an >> no, both correct. the fact of the matter is it's been a year. as you say, it's been $20 million and we need to see a report on what evidence he has and absent that evidence, it should wind up within 30 days of the resolution passing. >> tucker: so why wouldn't other members on both sides in the congress want some oversight? s you are constitutionally bound to provide oversight of the doj, so why are you the only person calling for this? >> well, i'm not. matt gates is also calling for it. there's a couple others calling for it. but we need your viewers to call your member of congress and get them on board. you can only have a free republic, as you know, tucker,em if you have transparency and this is exactly what we need. it is a witch hunt. it has gone beyond an investigation, and the only evidence of collusion we found, the only evidence of criminality has been on the democrats. so we are calling on mueller to show his hand or fold the deck.

>> tucker: even if i believed the president colluded with vladimir putin, i'd be very concerned about this investigation because the parameters aren't clear. the timeline is opaque and it's not clear what the point is. congressman desantis, one of the enduring mysteries of the past two weeks has been this story of a mole or spy within the trump campaign feeding information to the russia investigation. have you any sense who that person might be? >> i do, tucker, but i think that the issue needs to go through the proper channels. i'm not comfortable disclosing who i think it is based on the evidence that i have, but i can say this, the american people deserve an answer. up or down, did the fbi direct somebody to spy on donald trump's campaign? was somebody actively working to undermine his campaign and create the illusion of collusion? and if that's the case, i think that's more serious than the fisa abuse. i think it's more serious than

rosenstein butchering this whole appointing order with mueller from the beginning. so we need the answer to those questions. they are not giving us the answers right now. >> tucker: they are definitely not. i know you don't want to risk libel by naming someone because this has not been proved in court, but give us a sense of what you are talking about. are you saying someone who worked on the trump campaign fed information to law enforcement? >> so if you look at glenn simpson's testimony from fusion gps, he talked about there being a human source and that was something that was controversial. some people said it was papadopoulos. it's not papadopoulos. the issue is he acknowledges there's a human source. peter strzok, he opens up the counterintelligence investigation the summer of 2016, what does he do the next day? he goes to great britain and hee goes to london and he's meetinge with people. how the heck would you do that if you just opened the investigation that day? h i think in that kind of, the

london, christopher steele, glenn simpson axis is probably the individual we are looking at. we need to know whether this individual was spying or not. i have grave concerns about it but i think we can get those questions answered when the justice department ponies up the documents. >> tucker: you're absolutely right. are you suggesting or do you believe that this is someone who was pressured into cooperating with the investigation, or someone who freely sent information over about the campaign? >> i think it's the latter, tucker. i think this would be someone, potentially could have been paid by the fbi, like steele was. there was an agreement to pay steele. we need the answer to that. did they pay anybody? yes or no. w did they direct anybody to go to the campaign? yes or no. very easy questions to answer. >> tucker: this is the obama -- i'm sorry, congressman. please go ahead. >> ron desantis is exactly right. we also need to know the relationship between mueller and comey. comey kicked this whole thing off with a bogus fisa warrant

and what is the relationshipip between mueller and comey? did mueller give comey immunity? does comey think he's above the law?w? where are we going with all of this? that's what needs to be investigated. >> tucker: do you believe, quickly, congressman, do you believe that jim comey has been offered immunity by the mueller investigation? >> i think it stands to reason, and i think the american people deserve to know. >> tucker: that would be shocking. congressmen, thank you both. i appreciate that. i hope you get to the bottom of those. we have a right to know. ted malloch was an informal advisor to the donald trump campaign. in march, he says he was detained at an airport by investigators for robert mueller who took away his cell phone and asked about his ties to roger stone, among other things. he is also the author of the book "the plot to destroy trump: how the deep state fabricated the russian dossier to subvert the president." ted malloch joins us tonight. thank you coming on. >> good evening. >> tucker: when you say you were detained, that's kind of a remarkable story. tell us the circumstances of this.

>> especially for a yale, oxford henley business school professor to be stopped at an airport, taken into a room and asked questions by the fbi and having their phone then, under a warrant, seized. i write about this in the book as a postscript and my lawyers tell me not to confirm or deny very much about this because i'm still actively participating in this conversation. >> tucker: i don't understand. why would that put you in legal peril if you believe the government overstepped and detained you -- this is at logan airport in boston, right? you're flying in from abroad. they pull you aside, take your cell phone, and ask you questions. you have no lawyer present, is that correct, during this conversation? >> none at all. >> tucker: okay, so how -- why would you be in jeopardy by exercising their first amendment right to explain the truth? >> i have explained it as a postscript to the book and actually detailed it, and i'm told that the fbi is not all

that happy about that fact. so therefore, i'm not really at liberty to say a whole lot more about where this stands at present. >> tucker: right. give us a sense, though, when you sat down, you had no lawyer. it's generally not advised to talk to the fbi withoutu a lawyer. did they just grab you as you got off the plane? what did you say to them when they did?th >> they had me wait for about 20 minutes, as i say, and then divided me from my wife and then searched my belongings and took me to a separate building to introduce me to two fbi agents who asked me a series of questions. actually it was quite chit-chatty for about 20 minutes. as a fan of the philadelphia eagles, they asked me what i thought of their victory at the super bowl. >> tucker: mm-hmm. that's what they said to mike flynn too during his chit-chatty conversation. [laughs]

they had a warrant for all of this, i assume, is that right? >> correct. >> tucker: okay. a what did they ask you? >> as i said in the postscript, there were very few substantive questions. some about individuals, what my relationship was to the campaign. they seemed to know all the answers to the questions. >> tucker: did you consider saying "buzz off. i'm not going to answer your questions"? >> i think had they gotten any more aggressive than -- in fact, that would have been the case, but they were fairly benign. i'm a patriotic american. i'm a cold warrior. i worked in the state department. i was the top american in the u.n. in geneva, switzerland, for four years at the end of the cold war. i'm certainly willing to cooperate in any inquiry. i don't think i have much to add. >> tucker: why do you think they wanted to talk to you?

>> my publisher thinks that they pre-read my book on the plot to destroy the president, which is in fact about the conspiracy -- the first in american history since 1783 and the newburgh conspiracy that tried to overthrow a sitting president of the united states.an >> tucker: hmm. why did they ask you about roger stone? >> i have no idea. i've met roger stone three times. he did write the forward to my new book because we had the same publisher. he gave an address at oxford university about eight or ten weeks ago. and it was a pretty compelling story about what happened in the 2016 election and we had it transcribed.. i had attended that lecture, and we used it as the forward to the book. so maybe they read more into that than is the case. >> tucker: what did they do to your phone? you said they had a warrant for your phone? >> yes. h

they confiscated my phone. and i'm told it's been returned to me and i should be receivingc it any day.ne >> tucker: they took your phone away? how long have they had it? >> since that day, which was before easter. >> tucker: i would be pretty annoyed. ted, thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. >> good to be with you, tucker. thanks. >> tucker: a democratic congressional candidate has expressed his real thoughts about the nra in a new ad, which is completely over-the-top. he joins us next. he joins us next. do you need the most trusted battery in your noise cancelling headphones? maybe not. maybe you could trust you won't be next to a loud eater. (eating potato chips loudly) or you could just trust duracell. (silence) ♪

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>> tucker: a politician's job is to appeal to voters. left-leaning voters don't like the nra. pat davis is a democrat running for congress in new mexico. put two and two together andra davis has produced a new ad where he expresses his view of the nra unambiguously, but you decide. >> [bleep] the nra. their program policies havee resulted in dead children, dead mothers, and dead fathers. i'm pat davis. and i approved this message because if congressfa won't change our gun laws, we are changing congress. >> tucker: pat davis joins us tonight from new mexico. pat, thanks for coming on. >> hi, tucker. >> tucker: so that's the ad?o. f the nra? kind of moronic, no? >> that's it, just 15 seconds, but it got a whole lot of attention and started a new conversation about guns. and i'm grateful for that. j >> tucker: but doesn't it degrade you? you use the f word in an ad. if you have a position, state it, but f the nra? come on.

>> being polite hasn't made our schools any safer. it hasn't protected police officers, like i used to be. if a cuss word on tv offends you more than pictures of dead children in parkland or newtown, then your priorities are all wrong. i was a cop -- >> tucker: it's not either/or. hold on, wait. slow down. i don't care if you were a cop or not. wait. hold on.s wait, let me ask you a question. it's not an either/or. it's not that i'm so offended. politeness doesn't work. do you think rudeness will? is rudeness going to save lives do you think? >> well, as we were looking to make this ad, what we -- we kept coming up with the same idea an? every ad idea we came up withki to talk about this issue lookedw like somebody else's, and those had not worked. clearly this got the nra's attention, and it has started a new conversation both amongst candidates running for office about who -- how we organize and take back congress and put new leaders there to take on gun control. but also how we stand up to the nra. we know what works. 50% of nra members support -- >> tucker: start a conversation

about how embarrassing you are. how many nra members have committed mass shootings? >> tucker, here's the thing. a majority of americans -- 89% of police officers, a majority of nra -- >> tucker: no, here's the thing. no, no, here's the thing is i asked you a direct question. wait, no, hold on. here's the thing. slow down. wait, slow down. you just released an ad that said f the nra whichth i'm sure back at your fraternity house, they love. but let me ask you an adult question, how many nra members have committed mass shootings?e >> tucker, this is about the organization itself.om my family grew up -- >> tucker: i'm asking you about the organization itself. >> we're members of the nra. it's not the nra that my dad's organization. >> tucker: oh. f the nra. but how many members -- hold on. hold on. they have millions of members. how many of them -- >> they do, and i've been hearing from them all week. i've been hearing from them all week. the nra made us their target. we started a new conversation, and what i've also heard from

are parents in parkland, in virginia, in newtown -- >> tucker: but the conversation -- [laughs] >> donated to keep the ad on the air because they want people in congress to finally step up. >> tucker: so you're really doing a public service. >> if the nra wants to come to the table and help us pass common sense regulations that their members support -- >> tucker: come to the table! you just said f the nra. [laughs] oh, really trying to have an adult conversation! so here is your new spot.. i want to talk the policy and t see what you know about it. here's your latest 15 second ad. >> by the time this ad is done, an ar-15 could have fired 150 bullets. that's why we need to ban assault weapons. i'm pat davis, running for congress, and i approved this message because lives are more important than gun company profits. >> tucker: so you just said that in 15 seconds, an ar-15 can fire 150 rounds. is that true? >> that's right. you get it right here in new mexico. right here in new mexico you can go to a parking lot or go on the internet, buy an assault weapon,

an ar-15, and buy a legally available add-on like a bump stock that allows you to replicate exactly what happened in las vegas. the las vegas shooter could shoot 600 rounds -- >> tucker: hold on. no, no. wait, are you saying -- you are saying an ar-15 can shoot 150 rounds in 15 seconds. so would it have a 150-round magazine? hold on. let me ask you. let's be specific. it's your ad. what would that magazine look like? the 150 round magazine. >> exactly like the magazines that las vegas police officers pulled out of that hotel room. >> tucker: there were 150 round -- oh. >> no, 50 and 100-round magazine. >> tucker: and so you can fire -- it is physically possible to fire. it's not. these are rhetorical questions. you don't know what you're talking about. i know that you were a police officer. you claim to have been. >> tucker, yeah. >> tucker: no ar-15 can fire 150 rounds in 15 seconds! that's untrue, and if you believe it is true, then you are not qualified to have a conversation about guns. people are laughing at you because you are ignorant.

you don't know what you're talking about. >> we take exactly the word of the police officers in las vegas who i trust who ran into that room to save people down below and found a weapon modified with bump stocks. >> tucker: oh, so they say an ar-15 -- what do you think would happen to the barrel in 15 seconds if you put 150 rounds -- it would melt. >> i know they get hot. >> tucker: if you're are going to take on the nra and be mr. tough, "i was a cop" guy, maybe you should know what you're talking about, but you don't. you are putting something on television that is demonstrably wrong and physically impossible and all of your voters are like oh, yeah, this guy knows what he's talking about. he was a cop. but you don't know.an so maybe you should apologize for it.ik >> i'm not apologizing for anything. y >> tucker: i'm sorry. politeness doesn't work. i'm just trying to -- oh, okay. i think you should apologize for saying something that is factually untrue. >> politeness has not changed the conversation. we need new focus. this will behi a priority. >> tucker: that's why i'm not trying to be polite. i'm trying to get a real conversation going, but you f don't know what you're talking about, so maybe you shouldn't be in a position to make decisions because you don't understand the issue. because you just told me

with a straight face that an t ar-15 can fire 150 rounds in 15 seconds. ooh, surprise. it can't. maybe you should admit that and move on to something you understand. would you do that? >> tucker, this is exactly the type of arguments that don't get us where we need to be. we need new leaders in congress. >> tucker: oh, it's not like f the nra. that's the kind of argument we need. oh, i thought politeness didn't work, tough guy? >> politeness is not working so far. >> tucker: oh, it's not. you know what works, actually? facts work. why don't you get some facts? pat, do like this new mode of communication we have? f the nra, pat. all right, tough guy. learn something about guns and get back to me! interview over. yeah, 'cause you don't know what you are talking about. let's go back to politeness. i liked it better. it's another primary night and a democrat who sounds like donald trump could be a winner tonight. amazing. he will join us. s plus brit hume joins us to brean down the democrats' 2018 message or lack thereof.l stay tuned. ge

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and has called for some restrictions on immigration and sanctuary cities. he joins us tonight. thanks a lot for coming on. >> tucker, thanks for having me tonight.on >> tucker: so as i understand, there are three candidates, democratic candidates running in this primary tonight. polls have closed so we are not affecting anything with his interview. but the three candidates each come from a different strain of the democratic party ideologically.y. describe the kind of democrat that you are. >> well, i come out of a blue-collar background. my father was a construction worker with a sixth-grade education. my mother was a seamstress with an 11th grade education and i believe that i come out of the sort of traditional democratic party that is concerned about working men and women. concerned about blue-collar issues that affect these folks and i have always believed the john f. kennedy model and even to some degree the

bill clinton model, who ran as a centrist. and that's pretty much where i have been. i'm that strain of democratic party. >> tucker: so i'm fascinated by the news coverage of your race. you have said things that don't seem very controversial like you are not in favor of giving driver licenses to illegal immigrants. you are not against all immigration but you are worried about illegal immigration, and you are not for giving state subsidized tuition to illegal immigrants. for this, you are described as a hard-liner on immigration. do you think that's fair? do you think the coverage of that subject is fair? >> no, i don't think it's fair. first of all, i'm a grandson of an italian immigrant and i believe immigration is great.ra it has made our country great, but immigration is a process. there is laws that we have and people have to get in line and p come into the country in a legal way, and to describe me as a hard-liner i think is not accurate. a i go to the naturalizationha service that we have in our county where people from all

over the world to become naturalized citizens. it's a wonderful ceremony in the courthouse and those are immigrants.iziz what i'm opposed to is just people breaking into our country without permission.n.le some of them being criminals and i've seen them in my own town, from the ms-13 gang and others. our country giving incentives for more illegal immigration such as driver's license and state tuition. i don't think those incentives should be given. it just creates more illegal immigration. t >> tucker: so bill clinton said that exact same thing 20 years ago. now you are one of only a couple democrats willing to say that out loud. what happened to the democratic party? >> it's interesting. as you know, there is a picture, a video of president clinton>> giving i think a state of the union speech where he talks hard-liner on immigration. he says everything that i believe in and even president obama gave a similar speech. this is not out of step with democrats.s. in my own community here, i have great support for this position. people here, democratic voters, i don't think, i guess we willpo

know better tonight foreign criminals coming into the county and setting up shop. they don't want sanctuary cities. i have opposed sanctuary cities for a long, long time. having a sanctuary city is like putting up a big sign that says please all foreign criminals come here because we won't do anything about it if you commit a crime. i don't think that all democrats are in lockstep necessarily with some of the national philosophy that comes out of washington on this issue. >> tucker: i hope you aree right. the polls have closed so i can say i'm certainly rooting for you tonight. thanks a lot for coming on. >> thank you, thanks, tucker. >> tucker: it probably won't help. some candidates on the democratic side flipping the bird to the nra while others back trump style immigrations, it's not quite clear what the democratic messages for 2018. brit hume is fox's senior political analyst. he watches carefully. he joins us tonight.or what do you think the message

is, or is there a national message that the democraticc party is selling this midterm? >> i think it's pretty indistinct at this moment if there is one. i think much of the party is so mesmerized by donald trump and loathes him so deeply that that has become kind of the central thing and the central theme that you can see. that's what the democratic party appears to be mostly about right now. i suspect as time goes on something more oriented towardsn voters will come along. but remember, tucker.en these candidates are running in a party where 71%, according to one recent poll, want donald trump impeached. so it's kind of understandable that there would be some focus on him. >> tucker: for sure. most democrats are, of course, very anti-trump, that's why they are democrats. but is that a message that moves people to the polls? >> based on the evidence we have, it seems not to be working very well, and the reason i say that is, look at the advantagesi that democrats enjoy going into this midterm election. first of all, the political gravity and any president's first midterm is always with the other party and the average lost

is more than would be enough if they made their average again, the democrats would get control of the house. they had a huge gap in what's called a generic ballot. that's the one where you ask people if they would rather vote for a democrat or republican unnamed in the upcoming election.ne normally democrats do well on that ballot.r they were up plus 15 or 16 atts one point not very long ago and now that number is down to single digits and samples down to low single digits which suggests that whatever they are selling people are not buying with the enthusiasm that the party had hoped for. >> tucker: what will happen if they don't retake the house? >> well, i think there will be an agonizing reappraisal because we've been hearing about this blue wave that was thought to be inevitable and may yet come. if it doesn't come, obviously there's going to be a search for scapegoats and we will see what happens. but this party i think, what we are seeing emerge now is thatoa for all the divisions in the

republican party between trump supporters and so on and all the divisions within the conservative movement, the divisions in the democratic party are at least as deep, if not deeper and at the heart of the democratic party, and remember you saying in a speech not too many years ago, was not with hillary clinton but she won anyway. y a candidate of her stripe i don't think could win this time. i don't know that a white male candidate could win. here we are in the democrats, the democrats really have some serious divisions to worry about and whether whatever they come up with will be appealing to a broad cross section of voters is obviously what remains to be seen. >> tucker: yeah, a white malee candidate could not win. i don't think a lot of the whitt male candidates running for the democratic nomination know thatt yet, but i think they're going to learn. do you think that it moves inn the direction of populist economics, becomes the elizabeth warren, the bernie sanders party? >> i think that's the drift and i think that excites a lot of people.

you look at the attitudes of young voters now. who do not seem to have grasped the benefits of a market capitalist economy and don't seem to be put off at all about the idea of socialism despite its abysmal history, which is t playing out even today in certain parts of the world, venezuela being the most conspicuous example. but i think that the party, it's gotten pretty far left now and a lot of old ideas that are being passed off as kind of new ideas are in the air. and the party will have to reckon with that because if they come up with somebody who was a socialist for president i don't think they could possibly win. i'm not sure how many of them we will see but there will be awful battles over this.wi >> tucker: their corporate donors, because the party is entirely supported by corporate america, will be pretty surprised when it turns out they are sending money to hugo chavez. thank you. >> you bet, tucker. >> tucker: go ahead. >> don't underestimate the

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without any compensation based purely on their ethnicity and distribute those farms to more favored groups. thousands have already migrated out of the country, but they have struggled to attract any sympathy abroad for some reason. ernst roets is deputy ceo of afriforum.gg it's a south africa civil rights group. he was just in the united states to meet with a number of government officials. he also took a moment to talk to us. here's part of what he said. m ernst roets joins us now. mr. roets, thanks for coming on. >> thank you very much. >> tucker: what you describenk in this book, a disorganized but in some sense intentional campaign to crush a racial minority within your country and the government seems on board with it. is that an overstatement? >> what the book is about, it'sa about government complicity and the scourge the farm attack, and farm murders that we've seen in south africa. we know in the last two decades there have been -- according to government statistics which believe -- we have reason to say it's maybe downplayed a little. there's been about two farm

attacks every day and two farm murders every week in south africa. a and in the book, i highlight actually ten different reasons why we believe the south african government is complicit. it stretches from reasons including -- the fact that as these attacks have worsened, for example, in 2007, it was a 25% increase in these attacks and the south african government responded saying we are not going to release any more statistics about this. then also, which is very concerning, is the hate speech in south africa. i that's the title of the book as well. "kill the boer," which is a very popular songh which is still being sung in south africa. it was sung just the other day. it is sung at political rallies and of course boer referring to a particular cultural group in south africa. we have songs like "shoot the boer," which is a different song. there are a variety of ways in which --. >> tucker: wait, i thought that hate speech was now a crime punishable by prison time in south africa. i are any of the people who say this arrested? >> there's a bill on the table

to have hate speech declared a crime punishable by prison time, but if you look at the motivation around it, it's clear, very clear that i think those in government who are pushing this don't regard this as hate speech. as a matter of fact, they've been arguing that it's not hate speech in court. so they would argue that they have a right to sing aboutut killing farmers and then they would say it's an expression of freedom of speech. >> tucker: so now the government has announced that im plans to pursue a policy of taking land away from people on the basis of their skin color. do you think they will do that? >> that is what was adopted in our parliament in february. a motion was adopted that the property rights clause in the south african constitution has to be changed to allow fora expropriation of private property without compensation.ha so the state president, cyril ramaphosa, said that this would turn south africa into the ultimate paradise and the garden of eden. and deputy president david mabuza even went further, saying that - basically threatening white farmers that if they do not voluntarilyu

hand over their land to black people, then there will be a violent takeover. so the situation is very dire in south africa. but the good news is that there is still a process that has to be followed, and that's why we are in the united states. >> tucker: what i find so striking is the response from everyone else around the world. it's almost never covered the american media. there's a sense that the people being murdered deserve it because of what their ancestors did. the international community is similarly silent. have you met with any government officials here in washington about what's happening in your country? >> that's why we are here. we are about to meet with some government officials. and it's very unfortunate, the situation that you've just mentioned. especially in south africa there's a hierarchy of recognition. some people when they are the victims, it's all over the news and you hear about it frequently. and other people, especially farmers in south africa, white farmers in particular, they will be tortured to death and it will receive very littlee news coverage and that's unfortunately the situationti abroad as well, which is why we are very grateful to be having

this. >> tucker: a governmentat official in australia said publicly maybe we ought to allow asylum to people being persecuted for their skin color in your country. and he was basically laughed at and then attacked by your government for saying that. >> yes, he was attacked and theu then said that he shouldn't say that because afriforum was providing him with false information. the information that we are quoting is government statistics. so that is the situation. whoever speaks out against this -- we, just for being in the united states, we've been accused of treason. we've had people threatening us saying they will wait for us at the airport when we come back and they'll attack us and so forth. we had the state president today in parliament calling on us to go back to south africa. whenever you speak out against this, there is a very seriousll backlash. >> tucker: this is not what nelson mandela wanted. >> no, it's the exact opposite than what he wanted. i he spoke about a free country in which people were not judged by the color of their skin.d. and he even wanted farm attackss

to be a priority crime. he said that when he was president. when his presidency was over, they de-prioritized it. >> tucker: so you just watched something like this happen in a neighboring country, zimbabwe, which went from being one of the richest in africa to the poorest in the world because of farm attacks and because of the theft of private property. is the anc, the ruling party in south africa, aware of thatva lesson? >> they are, but you know that saying "real communismsm has never been tried," that's what they keep saying. it failed in zimbabwe. it failed in cuba. it failed in venezuela. it failed in russia. it failed in china, all of those countries, and they are basically saying that we arela going to try the same thing but this time it's going to work. >> tucker: so last question. it's considered basically immoral in the united states to talk to you or to hear stories like this for reasons that nobody bothers ever really to explain, but it's just understood. if you could speak to our media, the people who are dismissing your claims as false, what would you say? >> i think there are three things. firstly, everything we say is fact based.

it's based on research. but in terms of what we hope to achieve and what people can do, people who want to invest in south africa, we want them toan call on the south african government to say listen, you are calling on us to invest in your country but you want to expropriate those investments. number two, we are speaking with the u.s. government and asking them to put pressure on the south african government, which could be done in a variety of ways. and number three, members of the public and members of the media, the best thing you can do toe help us is to talk about this, to talk about it on public platforms and in that way tohe continue to put pressure on the south african government not tob continue with this policy. >> tucker: just to tell the truth. i agree. mr. roets, thank you. thank you for being here. tech companies are getting more powerful. facebook has a plan for ranking news outlets by how trustworthy they are. twitter censoring certain views entirely. details ahead.

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the report says that somalis buy shares in fake day cares to get a cut of it. some of this fraudulently obtained money is reportedly being shipped back to somalia in suitcases full of cash to evade federal wire transfer restrictions.be some of this money is ending up in regions of somalia controlled by terrorist groups.in keith ellison is outraged by the story. it's not the fraud that makes him mad or the ingratitude for the injustice. it was that it was exposed at all. that offended him. in a statement, he denounced the new report that it could hinder further cash transfers to somalia, which apparently henc cares more about than america, which he is supposed be representing.ra according to ellison, briefcases of untraceable cash hurt al shabab rather than helping them somehow.

apparently it's not enough for the tech companies to know what you do, and they do know what you do. increasingly, they want to control what you do and what you see and what you think. during a recent meeting withwh investors, facebook ceo mark zuckerberg revealed that his company has been ranking news outlets by how trustworthy they are, with less trusted outlets being penalized on facebook's news feed. trusted, by the way, by facebook -- not by you -- but by mark zuckerberg and his deputies. meanwhile, twitter is implementingby a system to suppress tweets it regards as harassment even if those tweets actually break no rules. in other words, if twitter disagrees with the political orientation of the tweets. brett larson hosts "fox news headlines 24/7" and investigates big tech for the show. we're grateful he does. he joins us tonight. >> hey, tucker, good to be here. we have been investigating this story over the past few days now involving facebook changes to how they handle news sourcese in users' newsfeed. as you mentioned, in a meeting with media company executives from the "new york times" to news corp., which is the parent company of fox news,

facebook ceo mark zuckerberg said they will be relying on user surveys to determine which news sources are "broadly trusted." the comments were made following facebook's f8 developer conference. that was at the beginning of the month, and this is one of the many changes the social media giant has made in an effort to combat fake news, fake accounts and bots that help amplify and spread fake information.s, now, i spoke with facebook earlier today and they assured me that this isn't an effort to censor any ideas or beliefs and at that the random sampling of trustworthiness happens frequently to ensure sites are getting a fair shake. it works like this. a user will be presented with a simple yes or no question about a news site. "are you familiar with this site?" a "yes" answer brings up the next question to rate it for trustworthiness on a scale of 1 to 5. now what about fake accounts boosting the trustworthiness of a not so trustworthy news outlet? facebook just this year has removed more than half a billion

fake accounts. further, those headlines like "they pulled over to help this dog, what happened next will amaze you..."r, not going to get the kind ofth ranking in your newsfeed goinghi forward. the changes are also meant to crackdown on so-called clickbait and news, especially local news. as for paying providers for the news, no deal. cable operators pay to carry channels like fox for their customers, but when asked if facebook will do the same thing, the online giant saying they don't see the need for that. despite the fact they arel renewing focus on local news, it would seem that kind of revenue would breathe new life into local newspapers and news outlets that are struggling to remain relevant and profitable in the age of digital. and tucker, these changes aren't helping us feel any better.pe in this effort to see more news from friends and less news from media sites, it actually puts us in a bad mood because we compare ourselves to our friends and our peers and we see what we are missing out on. think parties and awesome vacations that we are not on. tucker. it's what we all want. we all want to be on the awesome

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