vladimir putin could do in his dreams. i am not zojoking. >> sean: the "the ingraham angle" is next. we you here on monday. >> good evening and live from new york city. i am pete in for laura ingraham and this is "the ingraham angle." a tough day with another school shooting this evening. we dissect a huge move by the trumped to strip planned parenthood of million dollars of federal funding. long over due. a new report from the "new york times" coming out just moments ago on whether team obama spied on the trump campaign. fresh new details on that and a possible change in strategy by president trump towards north korea ahead of the big meeting next month. we begin with the deadly events

in the city of santa fe, texas. a 17-year-old whose name i won't dignify reading on the air. walked into an art class in santa fe high school and began shooting. 10 killed and another 10 wounded. texas governor greg abbott told officers he planed to kill himself but didn't have courage to pull the trigger on himself. this left students in shock. >> we were sitting in class. we had our door open. a teacher ran through the hallway saying there a student in the building with a shotgun. >> i heard the loud booms and i ran. >> everybody took off. i heard 3 shots. i grabbed her and we ran to the trees to get out of sight. i called mom and heard 4 more

shots. >> everything you know, you hear, boom, boom, boom. [crying]. i just ran as fast as i could to hide. >> for the latest let's go to fox news reporter today. >> it doesn't matter how many times you hear those sound bites or those clips of interviews with the tearful students. it gives you goose bumps every time you hear it. you can imagine the terror they must have experienced here this morning. all schools in the district will be closed at least monday and tuesday of next week as this small and devastated community searches for answers and tries to wrap their head around what happened here. this as the teen gunman made his first appearance in court.

let's show you that video now. 17-year-old dimitrios pagourtzis was charged with capital murder. one of the 10 injured was the school's public resource police officer shot trying to stop the gunman. that officer is recovering in the hospital after undergoing surgery earlier. right now investigators continue combing the crime scene and interviewing two other persons of interest. a motive is not clear. there is no digital foot print portraying a troubled teen like in other shootings. but that has really shaken this community. tonight grieving students and family members and perfect strangers gathering for a prayer

vigil not far from where i am at a nearby bank. everyone coming together to pray for those who have been impacted. and frankly it's not hard to go around this small community, southeast of houston, and find someone who has been impacted by this. it's only a population of 13,000. one of those towns where everyone knows everyone. >> thank you very much. great coverage all day on such a tough topic. as texas absorbs the impact of today's events state leaders vow to make changes to prevent a repeat of this event. joined by lt. governor. give us an update on what you know that we may not know? >> have you done a very good job

of staying to the facts as fox as haul day. -- all day. this school was one of 186 giving a safety course that texas offers out of 1,000 schools. because of this officer many lives were saved. we grieve and i want everyone in america to pray for these families that lost their children and lost a substitute teacher as well. the officers not responded quickly, this young man with a shotgun that could hold 5 to 8 shells could have killed or wounded many more. they did their job. what i look for, what i look for is what can we do next to protect our schools. governor abbott will put together round tables and we will meet with people from all points of view.

pro-gun and anti-gun. everything to stop this from happening again am one thing, people, i want to look at. number 1 every parent out there, if you have a gun legally as i do. lock them up. we don't know if he broke into his father's cabinet to get these guns. we hear access to people who have guns. if you don't have a gun safe buy one. protect your children and also from someone breaking in your house and taking a gun. the designs of our schools. we have too many exits and entrances for shooters to get in school. in texas we have over 8,000 campuses with multiple locations. we don't have 30 or 40,000 law enforcement to put at every day. maybe we need to design schools like other infrastructure where you can only go in and out one

door. that might mean changing the way we think about school am kids don't come all at one time but staggered. so we can check every student. this young man walked in with a trench coat today when it was 90 degrees. maybe a police officer would have stopped him if he with one entry or exit. harden the soft targets. >> the lead is the question i was going to ask: are there steps texas has taken since parkland that did reduce -- 10 lives is too many -- but there were trained officers that that mitigated a larger number. you are saying there were proactive steps taken in this case? >> yes, because they did this training we put in place years ago. also, pete, in texas, we allow teachers to carry. we leave it up to the local school board and parents to make that decision. we have school districts that allow trained teachers to carry.

when i was at a hospital with a young man, i will leave his name private for now. he was shot twice. he was in the classroom. he played dead. thought the shooter with moved. he went to get up and shot again. he will recover but had a series injury. i was there with ted cruz and greg abbott and there were a lot of student friends in there. they all said arm our teachers. the parents all said arm the teachers. next door to the art class was a marine substitute teacher who heard the noise, went out and saw the shooter and locked the door and protected his shooters, but he was not armed. that marine been able to carry in that school district, he might have been able to stop that shooter. for those who say guns are the issue -- and we want the best background checks we can have -- but the answer is not taking away guns from people who can

defend themselves and others. i think in our schools, leave it up to the parents as we do in texas and the superintendent. more school districts want to arm teachers and limit the entrances and exits into these schools. stagger the start and end times and be sure kids like this don't get in the school house with a gun under their coat. >> you can have a big government decision or big citizens with good people with guns. lt. governor dan patrick from texas. thanks for joining us. officials on the scene say the quick response of armed officers willing to confront the shooter probably saved many lives. let's discuss that with a security expert darryl cohenand a former las vegas police detective. does it look like the proper

protocols were followed. are we doing enough in america in your schools? >> the proper protocols was followed by responding law enforcement. that's not the problem. most agencies go through a federal law enforcement training. it's been around for 25 years. the problem is it's not enough. you can't rely on the responders. to what pete said to the lt. governor of texas, he only named two of multiple players that need to be implemented. i want to speak to the governor's and the senators. israelis already figured out security. deter, detect and deny. you need to check the bags, pete, at every school. you open up the bags -- >> you know more about this than i have ever known. are we turning our schools into prisons?

>> no, we are not turning our schools into prisons. we are coming up with a multi-laired viable security solution until we figure out the gun solution and the mental health problem and kids raised by parents. we have to treat this as an organic security threat. the money is there. we can put enough security at 100,000 registered schools in this country to check bags. we just have to do it. >> randy, you have been a detective. is more offense the answer or more defense, hardening of targets? >> well, there needs to be a combination. there is not one simple answer to a complex problem like this. do we need to harden the

targets? absolutely. you know, we have become very complacent in this country. we have not learned the lessons yet. and it's time. we have to learn these lessons. it will be painful at first. it's going to take some getting used to. unfortunately, we had way too many of these school shootings. we can no longer ignore home. however, once again, we have an individual here who didn't show the red flag, unlike the school shooter in florida. this kid was thought to be a kind, young man. >> that's right. >> he was on the football team. he didn't show any outward signs. yet he was all described as having a certain sadness which is a sign of depression. when he was talked to by the police he said he wanted to commit suicide. there are some flag here.

the access to the weapons disturbs me. as the lt. governor said. if you have a weapon in your home, you have to secure it. >> the lt. governor talked about arming teachers and the fact that the armed guard likely prevented more deaths. do you think it's a viable option? >> absolutely. >> to arm teachers. >> pete, i have been training law enforcement for 25 years and trained military unit around the world. there is no problem teaching people to run into a crowd with a weapon. but you have to give them 40 to 80 hours of training. we it take the active shooting training and give it to able and physically capable teachers. if israel we allow parents who served in combat units to respond to our schools in addition to armed security in

front of the school. >> israel is different than the u.s. size and scope wise. the tsa guards airports. in july of 2017 the minneapolis tsa failed in inspections. >> the tsa is an over-bloated billion dollars company that should have been disbanded 5 years ago. it's a waste of taxpayer's money. they still check breast milk and make me take off my shoes. they are not looking for terrorists and detecting weapons and not doing a good job. >> no, they are not. >> we need to deploy the model that allows us to train guards. one properly trained guard is more useful than 10 tsa people. that's what we need to focus on. we have 600 billion dollars given to the department of defense every year. this is a national security issue! let's treat it as one.

let's train our veterans. arm the teachers in the states that want it. give the blue states the option. >> let's spend on the money on the training. anyone listening. this is doable. we have the money. >> we hear you. >> let's get these people trained. start putting security and taking it seriously. >> thank you very much for your time. well, what causes a young person -- this is a big questionoo tonight -- to do the unimaginable. mow down his classmates. two experts will join us. stay right there. mom, dad, can we talk?

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not the other way around. >> ♪ >> ♪ >> welcome back. whenever there is a mass shooting, the big question: why? why would someone do something so depraved. the question is more difficult when the suspect and the shooter and the victims are high school teenagers. what we know about the suspect in today's school shooting in texas and his background. is there a singe part of his background that would give youa look into motivation why he started shooting people? >> sure. the first thing to keep in mind is discount the people that are telling you there is no red flag. because as we begin to unpack this bag, we will find there were red flag.

they were certainly there. we are starting to see perhaps a ticking time bomb when i have written about. this person probably felt isolated. he was suicidal. when i am seeing in active shooters, 40% commit suicide or suicide by cop, they experience suicide ideas. the reason for suicide is to end pain. emotional and psychological. this person was probably experiencing bane. -- pain. it could have been bullying. we are looking for an even that caused this person to explode. >> talking about being bullied. here's sound referring to the shooter that might give us some insight. listen. >> he was really quiet and mostly kept to himself. he was picked on by coaches and other students. didn't really talk to anyone.

>> coaches say he smelled right in front of his face. other kids would laugh at him and talk about him. nothing like physical, but emotionally bullied him. >> we heard from other classmates say he was cool and quiet and kept to himself but seemed fairly normal. bullying happens all over the place and doesn't lead people to pull triggers on other folks. >> people process stress differently. some people commit suicide. some people commit homicide and some people do both. every person has a different psyche that can trigger a response. this is a severe response. as we unpack this bag, we will find out more about this young man. nobody wakes up in the morning and i s say i will go out and kill 10 people.

this was a planned event. >> there is a new headline out. in the houston chronicle it says that the 17-year-old admitting gunning down his classmates. spared the students that he liked so he could have his story told. what does that tell you about him? he didn't commit suicide at the end. day. >> sadly, pete, there are people in this world and there are high school students for whom this role that has been created in our culture since columbine is for some of them the only role they can see themselves playing that gives them any power or any meaning as individuals. it's very important to think about what was the first word that went through your mind when you heard about this. a lot of people will say sicko,

psycho. if you look the calculations and the concealment. all of this conscious decision making that went into it, you can see that is there a mentally healthy kid? obviously not. that's not mental illness. what is it? it's a narcissistic phenomenon. it could be they think they are superior to everybody or inferior and want to get power. whatever. but they feel entitled to indulge that at the expense of other people's very lives. that's not mental illness. that's rooted in narcissism. as we have discussed, there are always precursors to that. always signs and we will find some here. we have to heed those signs. for the few people where the signs are not enough and they

splip through the cracks, we have to harden the targets. >> only a couple of seconds. we have not heard much about the parents. someone close to him knew something. >> yes, i agree. somebody will come up and tell us a lot more about this person. you might get indications from the parents. probably the friends closest to him will be the people that provide you with the motive for this crime. right now, there are five motives to active shooting. one is revenge. this is not anti-government sentiment or anti-religious or an act of terrorism as we know terrorism to be. we will take a look at the revenge motive. the other motive would be pure evil. it may be a combination of both. >> motivation does matter in our society today.

thank you both. a new bombshell "new york times" article. there is a big debate raging. did robert mueller have it wrong? should he have investigated the obama administration for spying on the trump campaign? breaking details next.

>> ♪ >> welcome back. the guessing game in washington. it's an open secret the identity of the spy or informant that the nib may have had inside the trump campaign. speculation is running rampant after a story in wednesday's "new york times" revealed this: at least one government informant met with carter page and george papadopoulos. well, president trump tweeted that if true, this is bigger than watergate. he just might be right.

now the times published a follow-up story saying: allies to the president are pushing to find out what goal the informant played in the russian investigation. retired fbi agent and bob and a democratic strat edgest and jeff boddi boddie. bobby, this headline from the "new york times" saying the fbi used the informant to investigate russia ties and not spying on trump. what do you make of that? >> in my reading of it it's disturbing it's the direction they took with this informant. they had a source and heard there may be ties with

papadopoulos and russia and ran this source at several members of the trump campaign. papadopoulos. carter page and flynn. he lured papadopoulos over to london for a meeting. he had a young woman with him. having a new young woman at a meeting that later invited papadopoulos to a separate meeting that's a recruitment tool. they were using aggressive tactics to look at papadopoulos and carter page and to general flynn. during the time, we call that tickling the wire. trying to get conversation you may overhere on your wiretap, in this case fisa. they didn't run this informant at the russian side of the rumors that they. they ran him at the trump side. they ran him -- and i have

worked a lot of informants -- they ran him pretty aggressively and came up with nothing. >> richard, bobby said they were aggressive at the trump folks. a quote from the "new york times" that caught our eye. listen to this. mr. papadopoulos relied he had no insight into the russian campaign despite being told that the russian had dirt on mrs. clinton: would you feel the same way you do right now, i know you don't agree with some of the previous assessment. what if this was the obama campaign and the fbi was pushing informants to gather information on that campaign? wouldn't you look at that side ways? >> for starters, if we can, pete, let's take the word spy

and embed is out of this discussion. that's not at all what happened with the president and rudy giuliani. >> [overlapping talking]. >> people are looking into it. >> we have no evidence to believe it did happen. the assertion is being made over and over it did. i will concede i know no more than you know that what the "new york times" is saying. what i say to your question. in the obama campaign had 2 of the 5 foreign policy advisors -- remember which donald trump was asked during the campaign -- >> they are back benchers come on. >> he said he could name five people. papadopoulos and page were 2 of them and the fbi believed they were consorting with russians. i think if you had with a presidential candidate somebody who has contacts who are suspicious with russians -- yes,

they had it with the mafia, is that something they would want to get to the body of. that's good law enforcement practice. we are talking to two guys that did this for a living. >> jeff, is this good law enforcement or surveillance that looks too political for an agency that says it doesn't do politics? >> well, i particular depends on where you are sitting. right now we have limited information. the information that came out today that you just briefed us on talks about the fact that it's been stated that there was some information about russian contacts with the trump campaign that were a concern. i think it's interesting as to who might have provided that information or how that information came about. nonetheless, the thing your viewers should be aware of, to do a confidential informant and run an operation like that, you don't need to go to a judge. you don't need a search warrant

or prove probable cause. , in fact it's a preliminary step trying to generate probable cause. there is no judge involved. this may have been approved at a high level. that brings into question the motivations of some of the senior fbi leadership. they may have used confidential informant as a fig leaf about the russians to do what they wanted. that fig leaf is hard to shake loose. >> absolutely. bobby, the guy at the center of this clapper has been talking. listen to what he said. >> they may have someone who was talking to hem in the campaign. the fbi gains a lot of valuable informations from informants. this is incredible. >> he said it's a good thing they had an informant inside the

trump. trump campaign. one thing that is missing is the evidence of a crime. we knew that hillary clinton committed crimes with the email service. if you don't have a crime but searching for one, you go in ways where you don't have to get a warrant >> i agree. i think the crucial word in this article by the "new york times" they thought the contacts with the russians was suspicious. what was that contact? what made it suspicious? then they operated the source and ran hard at these three individuals in the trump campaign. the contacts alone are not improper. what made those contacts suspicious? why are they using that word suspicious? after they ran this informant at them, it produced no tangible

results. after fisa if there was anything on that fisa that incriminated him in any crimes, carter page would number jail by now. >> outing the identity of this informant is dangerous. the fbi and cia can't do their job if informants think they will be outed for political purposes. >> stop right there. >> [overlapping talking]. >> i work criminal matters. when i brought somebody into a criminal court he has a constitutional right. >> but if every informant for the u.s. around the world knows that somebody in the white house can expose them -- >> it's been the doj and the fbi and others. >> having worked the cia angle, there is subtly here that needs to be brought out. people talked about early articles and this individual provided in the past reliable

information to the cia and the fib. i think we will see more of a cia rollout of what their involve. was in the early sages of this. second the information in the "new york times," talk about protecting sources. the information in that series of articles is sufficient. for a halfway descent foreign intelligence service to identify the individual. but this individual had contact with state agencies where he was help of the united states. that may be the greatest danger to the source and the people the source was in contact with. >> there is more flexibility in the cia starting the investigation. they could point to john brennan. we will know if to follow this. thanks for your time. the trump administration unveiled a plan today that could

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>> ♪ >> well, the trump administration is proposing a change that could cut deeply into federal funding for planned parenthood. the 260-million dollars program is for family planning. the administration's position: it's abortion and not family planning. end it. abortion supporters are outraged. >> when you remove the federal funding and women don't have access to save abortions women

die. >> it removes the guarantees that our doctors will do the best for us that they can and not what politicians tell them to say. >> this is an issue that should enrage the american public. particularly women. it's an attack on them. i don't know why member of congress think it's their job to tell women who to do with their health care. >> the debate. i presume you are excited by this change. was there a reason the bush administration did not make this move? >> they should have. this is not about making abortion illegal or stripping women of their rights. this is about separating taxpayer funds from abortion operations. in fact, planned parenthood would not be stripped of their

funds if they disentingled their family planning from abortion. they call themselves a woman's health organization but performance a small number of health services and make the vast majority of its money from abortions. last year over 300,000 abortions and mask their true priority with the help of democrats and the mainstream media. million of christians are forced to subsidize this group even though they think abortion is murder. >> planned parenthood can conduct abortions, but not on the taxpayer a dime and that's the line we are drawing. >> well, pete, they are not doing it on the taxpayer's line. there is an amendment --

>> [overlapping talking]. >> i want to clarify that. >> if the hyde amendment is enforced and planned parenthood makes sure they are following those rules. your first question around the outrage coming from the left. what is outrageous here is that no one would be surprised if president trump himself had not personally funded multiple abortions. >> do you have evidence of that? hold on? >> no, i don't have in evidence. >> how you can go on national tv and say that without evidence. >> [overlapping talking]. >> that's inappropriate. >> hold on. >> this man president trump has made a ruling that will take away women's access to basic health care. >> stop spreading this

information! this is ridiculous. >> doing this to turnout republicans in the mid-term elections. when you look at the consequences of that decision, consequences that he probably did not have to say in his position where he said he went through the vietnam war era. >> now you are talking about the vietnam war. i don't know how we got to vietnam. >> [overlapping talking]. e >> if i could just get a word in here: every time we talk about defunding planned parenthood, she and her friends on the left launch these irresponsible misinformation campaigns. when 2011 when texas defunded planned parenthood. >> women lost access to health care. >> hold on. they looked for non-existent

information about a public health crisis in the state. since 2011 public health has been on the upswing in texas. fewer teen abortions and fewer teen pregnancies and no wave of unwanted or unexpected pregnancies. >> [overlapping talking]. e >> this is to scare women from the left and treat them as though they are some sort of special interest group. it's a shallow attempt by the left. >> [overlapping talking]. >> we only have 20 seconds. >> i am glad she brought up the fact we are at at a historic low for teenage pregnancies. through this rule. i don't understand. the president and this administration that cares about records so much. they will walk that progress back. that's come through the health care that planned parenthood

provides to low income women. the std testing and cancer screening and breast exams. >> they do less than 2% of cancer screening or 2% of breast exams. women are smart enough to get those. >> 41% of the women who receive title-10 funding go to planned parenthood centers for health care. that's a fact. >> [overlapping talking]. e >> abortions have not declined because of planned parenthood. they declined because public sentiment. we have seen people as a whole in this country turn more to -- >> [overlapping talking]. >> technology has shown us what a fetus looks like.

>> planned parenthood did a good job with sex education. that's why. >> has president trump made a big change in his approach to north korea? details next. ♪

>> well, president trump made what some are saying may be his first public concession to north korea. cancelling a military training exercise with south korea. kim jong-un complained about the exercise and threatened to cancel the summit. will kim see this as a sign of good faith or a sign of weakness. joining us is michael.

thanks for joining us. the key question: he said we don't want to make concessions up fronts. but does this make a deal more possible? >> these war games have been happening for 4 decades. they have back door negotiations. the fact they are doing it publicly is to humiliate us. it's a small price to pay. >> do you think he is talking to his domestic audience saying we are still in a strong mode? >> no, i think he is talking to us and making it clear if i need to stamp my foot, i will. just because i am playing nice, i can play not so nice. >> how do we not get sucked into that game? that's the game they have played

for decades. >> because president trump said i have no problem getting up and walking away from the table. if he comes expecting nothing, we already got 3 hostages. >> what did kim jong-un care about the most? >> maintaining his hold on power. >> he is not giving up a thing unless we back him? >> he doesn't want to end up by hussein or gaddafi. >> what would create an actual path to denuclearization? >> they needs nukes. >> they believe their propaganda. >> they believe nuclear weapons are effective deterrent to

invasion. >> thank you very much. up next, we head back to texas with a new update on today's tragic school shooting. stay with us.

>> let's get caught up on the latest on today's deadly school shooting in santa fe, texas. a live update. >> well, it has quieted down quite a bit at this vigil. earlier hundreds came out to support and pray for each other during this tragic event. it was before 8 o'clock this morning when the shooter entered an arts classroom and opened fire. striking multiple students. that shooter was identified as 17-year-old dimitrios pagourtzis, a student and member of the football team. he is charged with capital murder and denied bond after

being seen by a judge. 10 dead and 10 others injured including a school police officers who is now in stable condition. one student was a foreign echange student from pakistan. he had a shotgun. both weapons came from his father who owned them illegally. >> various different kinds ever explosive devices have been detected. one was a co-2 device. another was a molatov cocktail and other times of explosive devices that have been identified. both in the home and in a vehicle. >> governor greg abbott said that pagourtzis planned on committed suicide but was not successful in carrying that out. resources will be coming out

here tomorrow to help those family and friends find comfort during this time. >> thank you very much. tough stuff. hopefully tomorrow we will learn in about the family and what in the world could have motivated him. that's all we have time for tonight. if you are up early tomorrow morning, you can join yours truly from 5 to 10 a.m. on fox and friends. every angle of the royal wedding. special coverage. not my cup of tea, but it might be yours so be up early. i will be there at 5 a.m. eastern time. i will do my home work tonight. i am pete in for laura ingraham. she will be back on monday. follow me on twitter. that's all we have from new york city. shannon bream the one and only and the wonderful is up next. >> ♪

>> ♪ >> ♪ >> ♪ >> shannon: tonight you will hear from people personally impacted by school shootings and expert analysis. plus according to the president's lauer rudy giuliani, special counsel robert mueller agreed to narrow down the topics for an interview with the president. we have an inside look how the president may prep and the president made good on a campaign promise to direct your