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watch. >> he basically seems to assume that everybody is part of ms-13. very strange to hearar president of the united states speak in such dehumanizing terms. >> clearly the president wants a war against latinos. >> you might make that distinction between members of ms-13 and the rest of the latino community and the rest of the immigrant community. i assure you that most of americans don't make that distinction when he says we're animals. >> tucker: "when he says we're animals." things are moving fast in this country, by 2020 defending central american street gangs will be a key plank of the democratic platform, it's close now. you can see it, maybe bernie sanders will feel the bern a little more literally. kamala harris' campaign will certainly be stronger together with the added muscle. of guatemalalan street gangs. don't laugh. it's actually more plausible than you think it is. don't believe us? here is what cnn contributor anna navarro said this wednesday about trump's animal remark. "trump is in very bad company, nazis referred to jews as rats. slave owners viewed slaves

as subhuman animals. now, here is what navarro herself had to say about trump just two years ago. "should trump drop out of the race? yes, he should drop out of the human race. he is an animal. apologies to animals." apparently donald trump can be dehumanized and that's fine, ms-13, a gang that butchers high schoolers with machetes, that's too far. on the left, that's the state of play. ms-13 runs drugs, of course, and terrorizes entire immigrant communities but they don't ask questions about diversity. so they are okay. questioning diversity is the highest crime you can commitrd according to the left. questioning diversity imperils their entire world view. if suggests that people are not interchangeable and the particular people who inhabit a particular country matter. that's unacceptable. far more unacceptable than murdering a teenager in long island, that doesn't even warrant a serious attempt at deportation. joining us tonight is leslie marshall, she is a

progressive radio show host and a keen observer of the democratic party. leslie, good to see you. >> good to see you, tucker. >> tucker: you are seeing all the leaders of the democratic party, schumer, pelosi, its surrogates, the entire news media virtually singing from the same song sheet. this is a coordinated story line. who thought of this? what consultant convinced democrats running in defense of ms-13 was a good way to go into the midterms? w >> first of all, i think it was very clear quite frankly and i know fellow democrats get angry at me that the president was answering a question that the sheriff posed regarding the gang members. the issue here, tucker, is not support of gangs or gang members. i have an 11-year-old son. and as you know, ms-13 starts as young as 11 and goes up to 40. it's calling human beings animals. wait a minute, i know when you look at what ms-13 does, it's hard to say are they human beings?13 when you have an 11-year-old child who is fearful for their and their family's life in a very impoverished

area and you think, how can i protect myself and you are offered protection by some of these older ms-13 gang members, regardless of the fact they are going to beat you to a pulp or perhaps even take your life in 13 seconds, a very slow 13 seconds, you look to them because you think, how can i be considered tough? how can i and my family not be bullied and be protected? i don't think those 11-year-old children, quiteed frankly, are animals and i don't think we should refery, to human beings even if they are bad human beings as animals. >> tucker: people have all kinds of reasons for doing what they do. sometimes it's understandable. people had reasons for becoming concentration camp guards. if i called a concentration camp guard animal, is he not a animal.ti he's a human being, get it is he horrible. expressing outrage what he does. if i said that no one would bat an eye, that's because concentration camp guards are not potential democratic voters. this is about winning a constituency.s. this is a political decision

democrats have made, we are on the side of ms-13, not because we love murder. i'm not saying democrats love murder, i don't think they do. they don't want to alienate anybody on that side including, i guess, ms-13 members themselves.. i mean, let's be honest about what's happening. >> i don't agree with you there. although we are certainly in an era where left or right, a lot of things come into the landscape and are argued for political gain especially with midterm elections coming up. i don't think that's the point at all here, tucker. you know we liberals claim to be passivists, we claim to care about everyone and terminology very unsettling to people. >> tucker: liberals are passivists? >> yes, liberals are passivists.iv >> tucker: you're watching liberals across the spectrum from nikki haley to chuckum schumer pushing for more war in syria. they are blood thirsty actually. >> when did nikki haley start wearing a democratic cape? i must have missed that one. >> tucker: when she started pushing for more pointless wars. if i came out and described

a concentration camp guard as an animal, nobody would have a problem with it, i certainly wouldn't have ait problem with it, no normal person would have aha problem with that. normal people don't defend murderers but the democratic party is defending ms-13. i'm just making a political observation which is that's not a wise strategies going into election because normal people aren't going to go for that, are they or maybe they're. >> i'm going to go back to your concentration camp argument. being that i have one jewish parent i think you know and did have relativesnt that perished in concentration camps, there were a few types of guards in the camps, quite frankly. one would be fellow jews who wanted to survive and have a lot of guilt and there are many documentaries about that, too. many people said they were just following orders. they were not referred to as animals and quite frankly many of them escaped anyui type of criminal wrath. >> tucker: i don't want to get off on world war ii tangent and that was one of 100 examples. jeffrey dahmer. anybody who commits murder

for the pleasure of committing it, i think it's fair to criticize in the harshest possible terms. it would beir surprising if an entire political party came to that person's aid in defense. as the democrats now are to ms-13. i'm just asking, like, whose idea was this? it's not happening accidentally. john horowitz from the "new york times" and chuck schumer and nancy pelosi saying exactly the same thing. somebody thought up this line. and i'm just wondering, do you think it's a smart thing to say? >> i don't think anybody thought up the line. i think what happened and it's happening almost every day, the president says something or tweets something and then there is a reaction. and certainly there is a strong reaction on the left and there has been a reaction in the latino community because, you know, a lot of the headlines were that the president said this about all immigrantssi at first. and then when people readn the transcript or they listened to the actual taping of what occurred in that meeting, then it became more clear that he was speaking about ms-13 and it was a response by the sheriff's question regarding ms-13, but you also have to

remember, tucker, some people that are in ms-13 in this country begging not to be deported aren't a part of the gang. they just can't get out because the only way out is to be killed. >> tucker: let me ask you this, and final question. this is the deep ironyth undergirding all of this is, ms-13 preys upon immigrants. who do you think their victims are? overwhelmingly salvadoran immigrants. if democrats say we are the champions of immigrants, why are they defending people who prey upon immigrants? it doesn't make any sense. >> i don't feel that democrats are in any way defending murderers. i feel that democrats are saying that the president's choice of words was not palatable for them and that no human being, how terrible a human being they may be, should be called an animal because an animal doesn't choose, they are part of a life cycle. >> tucker: hold on. pt's be honest. they're holding the president to a different standard than h they are holding ms-13. if you came out and said

trump is an animal, i don't think for a second nancy pelosi would give you a lecture about christianitylo or whatever she was pretending to believe the other day, the spirit of god in every person. i mean, they wouldn't even notice it because they think trump is an animal. right? but they are offended when a you say that el salvadorian street gang? it's a sincere question. >> honestly i'm not a fan of the president but i would defend him if somebodyde called him an animal and i don't think a human being should be called that. americans should be a higher standard than a street gang. >> tucker: denounce that i can't remember her name. the cnn contributor. crazy on tv, you called him anib animal. leslie, great to see you. >> good to see you, tucker. >> tucker: dan bongino, secret service agent and nrtv contributor.

he is with us tonight. you ran for office. do you think it is smart to defend ms-13? >> you know, tucker, this is the genius of trump. whether he plans these things or they are just extemporaneous moments in which he says they probably are, that's not the genius in calling them animals. although i agree with him 100 percent. the genius is he doesn't apologize, he doubles down and, listen, i'm no big fan of the establishment g.o.p. swamp rats. they are not necessarily the geniuses in d.c. i can tell you this, tucker, assuredly. the democrats are most assuredly the dopiest party in d.c. because theyop constantly get baited through their anti-trump animus. >> tucker: totally true. >> into doing things they wouldn't ordinarily do. coming out and defending a group whose motto is rape, torture, and kill and going hey, listen, they are just human beings. i love leslie. she is my friend and i think she is great. >> tucker: i like leslie, too. >> some of that commentary was outrageous, tucker. think about what she said we are not comfortable with anybody being called animals. a list of what democrats are comfortable with. comfortable with calling nra memberss terrorists. obama comparing republicans to iranian hardliners,

tyrants. calling americans deplorable who vote for trump. none of that -- i mean, really? i love leslie to death. the phoniness of these comments is a little bit too much. >> tucker: you are right that trump baits his opponents into getting so far over their skis that they're exposed for the lunatics they are. i don't think chuck schumer, pretty smart guy, sober guy anyway, calculating guy at all, would have stood up and defended ms-13. he never would have done that because that's crazy. and now he is. >> tucker, the examples are legion. think about running on the wall and mexico was going to pay for it. the wall is pretty practical. honestly, mexico the counting of that, is probablyst not. trump knows that. what does he also know? accounting there is probably not going to work. right? the beauty of this he never apologizes. he never backtracks and the

democrats, instead of giving some kind of a reasonableea answer and counter punch, what do they do, tucker? they come out, open borders. everybody should come into the united states. everybody has a claim to the united states citizenship all over the world and we all should pay for it and w the beauty of it is trump is the first candidate to not back down. not apologize -- but this is the key.ey by doing that he gets the democrats to pull their pants down and show their t butts for the first time. i don't mean literally, obviously. but show the american people who they really are. >> and this is what turned off wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania swing state voters. the democrats jumping. >> tucker: totally true. as a political matter, it's brilliant. the downside is if people who would defend ms-13 ever take power, real power, we're in trouble. w >> it's dangerous. and they are frauds, too, tucker. them jumping to religious offenses, quoting the bible about calling people animals.

call it the bible. i know you in the womb, how about that one? >> tucker: abortion party is quoting the new testament. >> right. actual human beings in the womb aren't human beings but ms-13, god forbid we don't refer to them as human beings. the phoniness of the whole thing just stinks. >> tucker: i know. nancy pelosi who is like absolute extremist on the question of abortion lecturing us aboutik christianity. dan, great to see you, thank you. >> yes, sir. >> tucker: top obama officials have moved fromm denying spying on trump campaign now saying it's a good thing. was the trump campaign the victim of a setup? amazingly starting to look that way. we have the details straight ahead. ♪ >> live from america news headquarters, i'm jackie ibanez. ten people are dead, victims of the latest school shooting, this one in santa fe, texas, a small

town of about 13,000. about 35 miles from houston, 17-year-old student isn't because to become a charger capital murder. authorities say he may face additional charges. he was denied bond at his video arraignment. the alleged shooter was armed with a handgun and a shotgun. both of them legally bought by his father. the shooting started about 8:00 friday morning during the schoo school's first class of the day. one student on the other side of campus said he heard the fire alarm and thought it was a drill. another student had this to say. >> i heard that my friend got shot and resume as the alarms went off, everybody started running outside, and the next thing you know, everybody looke looked, and to hear a boom, boom, and i just ran as fast as i could so i could hide and i called my mom. >> i saw some girl, she got shot in the kneecap, she had a bandage, she was limping, and a fireman got her. >> she called me and said, mom,

i wasn't shocked at school, not far away, turned around, got here as quick as i could, stayed on the phone with her, told her to stay quiet, calm, to breathe. and just waiting and waiting and finally, thank god she's okay. >> ten others were injured in friday's shooting braid the worst since the 17 people were killed at a high school three months ago in parkland, florida. authorities say they have no motive for friday's shooting. i'm jackie ibanez. now back to "tucker carlson tonight." for all of your headlines, log onto foxnews.com.

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>> tucker: despite many campaign promises and a majority in both houses, congressional republicans have continued to >> tucker: despite many campaign promises and a majority in both houses, congressional republicans have continued to fund planned parenthood to the tune of billions and billions of tax dollars every year, amazingly. now the trump administration is taking unilateral action. they claim to issue new guidelines that would bar any facilityer that receives federal title x funding from performing abortions in the same building. the move obviously is aimed at planned parenthood which performs 40% of all the abortions committed in america. founder of the anti-abortion group live action joins us tonight. >> thanks for having me, tucker. >> tucker: is this a big step?hi >> a slush fund of $60 million a year for planned parenthood coming right from taxpayers going right to the biggest abortion chain. so to cut that money, you still have over 400 million they are getting through

medicaid reimbursement, big step in the right direction. big question now is enforcement going to happen? once this rule goes into effect, we need to make sure that the enforcement happens they are not weaseling their way inin getting more money to the facilities that are referring for abortion. >> tucker: you have to imagine that will be blocked by a federal judge somewhere along the line. >> a lot of blocking, that usually happens. >> tucker: that'sd for sure. planned parenthood takes us money, hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer funding every year, obviously a component of the democratic party, which is his own conversation, but it raises an obvious question, which is, there are no other private sector organizations that can providear the health care planned parenthood provides but that don't supply 40% of the portions oful this country. >> is ridiculous. there are literally thousands of federally qualified health centers that are far more qualified to provide holistic care, that don't commit

abortion, that could receive a medicaid reimbursement money and title x money and other providers that could receive that money but planned parenthood is, again, in the pocket of the dnc, and once they get the half a billion dollars a year from taxpayers because of the democrats unfortunately right now and the republicans in some ways enabling it by not fighting enough, then they turn around and found the democrats and their elections. it is a real pass-through of money. this is a corporation, tucker, that is killing 320,000 children every single year in this country. they are in scandal after scandal. they are -- there are other services they came to provide have gone down according to their annual reports. their total number of patients has gone down, no mammograms, prenatal services almost negligible. abortion is their cash cow and they will fight this new rule from title x from the administration because this is the way that they survive. >> tucker: any idea, if you were to strip out the federal

funding, what percentage of the money planned parenthood takes in every year comes from abortion? any idea? >> for clinic income, they are making -- the actual money they get from the clinic operations, to the donations from george soros andot warren buffett, it s now the donations from taxpayers, half a billion dollars a year from taxpayers, it's about 50%, nearly 50% of the income is from abortion. if you strip away this money from the wealthy billionaires, and you strip away the money from the abortionon activists in the money from taxpayers, you are really left with a portion being at the cash cow at planned parenthood. a few hundred million dollars is left of clinic operations and of that, well over 100 million in abortion. >> tucker: it's all about abortion obviously, let's not pretend. >> politically in every way. >> tucker: if we have more abortions, the democrats are telling us, we'll be happier. a you think that's true? >> it's horrific. how dare they say that to women andin girls.

this is a line that is so post-revolution, outdated, antiquated, outright false, abusive,ha killing children. it's telling women that somehow abortion is good for them. abortion is not health care. it's an act of violence against a child who is innocent and forming and against a woman's body. this is a shame, a scandal, and when you have democrats or folks getting up there pretending to carest about women and standingp there, maxine waters, saying they represent women, shame on then. is the furthest thing from the truth. >> tucker: no one ever calls the monitor. the core assumption is a lie. thank you. >> >> think i'm a tucker. >> tucker: it increasingly looks like a trump campaign was the target of a concerted spying effort, not by the russians but by the obama administration. details on the next. hey shrimp fans - this one's for you.

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>> tucker: looks like there was a sinister espionage part of may 2016 election. wasn't created by russia but own intelligence services under the command of the obama administration. according to house intel chairman devin nunes, there is reason to believe the 2016 trump campaign was, "set up from the very beginning with the steele dossier and other pretext used to justify the fbi investigation that flowered into the mess we are now watching unfold." former obama intelligence director jim clapper says that if the trump campaign was spied on, that's a good thing. watch this.n >> the focus here, as it was with the intelligence community, is not on the campaign per se, but whathe

the russians were doing to try to substantiate themselves in the campaign or to influence or leverage it. so, if there was someone that was observing that sort of thing, that's a good thing because the russians posed a threat to our -- the very basis of our political system. >> tucker: kim strassel is on the board of "the wall street journal" editorial page and she joins us tonight. you heard jim clapper say it's a good thing. do you think it would be a good thing putting a spy in every presidential campaign going forward? >> why not? it sounds like it would be a good thing, tucker. look, you and i have been doing this for a long time.g can you think of any time in history when this has happened or when anyone thought it was okay for -- by the way the department of justice is being run by one political party. surveilling, electronically

surveilling, and then also spying on the leading candidate for a nominee for the opposing party running for the presidency. >> tucker: it's almost too big to get your head around. and have you got to think -- >> it's mind boggling. >> tucker: at any other moment in the last 50 years, if it came to light, it would be considered a stop the presses moment.at it would be a legitimate constitutional crisis and a scandal, people would go to prison and, yet, this is passing almost without comment except really on this channel and at your newspaper. why? >> well, the mainstreamm media doesn't want to have to put this the way it is because they still want the russia collusion narrative to be true. they want a pretext to get this president out of office. people are no longer using standard measures. look, i'm a libertarian. i don't want the government spying on anybody in any situation that's illegitimate. i try put that statement measure out there.

but one other thing, too that i think is so astounding and that also deserves some note is the games of the department of justice is playing in terms of coming clean with this information. they have now flouted a subpoena from chairman nunes for weeks. saying that there is no way they can give him the information he wants because it might put this source of theirs at risk. yet, they have over the past couple weeks, leaked more information about this person than was prior known and would be known and they're doing it all in order to get friendly media to write stories about how they did everything right in 2016, which of course we know they didn't. >> this person the mole who fed the information to the feds from the campaign, there has been a lot of talk about this person. whispering about his identity, apparently it's an older man. do we know who this person is? can we say with certainty and if we find out for sure, i mean, what are the consequences of that? >> well, here's the joke. i'm 99.9% sure that i know who this person is. >> tucker: i do, too.

>> i did not get that from any congressional sources but i also cannot get them haven'trm it so i used the name. the funny thing is, tucker, one of the reasons i'm so monumentally certain i'm correct and i'm sure you are, too, because of the details of the department of justice itself has leaked about a source that it claims to so much want to protect. >> tucker: why would -- i mean, take three steps back. the president of the united states is at the top of the executive branch pyramid.es the department of justice is beneath him. he runs that agency. there is a picture of him in the lobby of it. why doesn't he pick up the phone at some point and get this information?it it's not clear why. are his lawyers telling him not to? what's the answer? do you know? >> yeah, my understanding is despite some of things that the department of justice has said, is that they have been given an order from the highest ranks to accommodatean this request. they are using that word with as

much enthusiasm as they can. what they are doing is, see the documents. he wants to look at them him self. he knows exactly what it is he wants to see.e. they are saying no, you are going to have to be satisfied with us just briefing you on it. we all know what that game is he will go in with questions. they will dance around. they won't give the whole picture. and we know that's the case because that's how they have reacted every time they have been faced with a request for information that might be potentially embarrassing to them. and third world. your column, one of the few functional parts of all of this. thank you for your reporting. >> thank you. >> tucker: almost three dozen defense department personnel have died in plane crashes in just the past eightgh months. is something going on? it looks that way. s we'll get that story to you next. ♪

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>> tucker: term nature is getting closer >> tucker: the age of terminators is getting closer, courtesy of the pentagon. the dod expects to spend a billion dollars deploying military robots. as technology advances, the military is struggling to keep current equipment functioning properly.on military plane crashes you may have noticed are at a six year high. since october 1st of last year, there have been 12 fatal accidents that have resulted in 35 pilots and crew dying. colonel david hunt is a fox news military analyst. he joins us tonight. colonel, do you see a pattern here and if so, what does it mean? >> yeah, we have been -- this pattern has been coming since 2013 when sequestration was approved on top of a 17-year war. constant deployments. this is expected. on top of some very bad leadership from senior military and pentagon officials. we got planes falling out of the sky and ships runningwe

into each other all over the world. sailors, marines, airmen are getting killed. nobody seems to care about this. part of this is less than 1% of the nation serves. but we have become bludgeoned by 17 years of war. but this is very bad business and this new budgeter will take about five to 10 years to correct some of this maintenance issue. but the leadership issue can be fixed right now. >> tucker: so when ships first started colliding with one another, u.s. naval vessels started hitting each other, hitting other objects, there was a suggestion that maybe their navigation was being jammed by a foreign power. you think that's been discounted and really just incompetence? >> yeah. it was absolutely discounted and the navy had to come -- this is a basic thing. i'm an army guy, not a navy guy, ship on the ocean goes and avoids other ships on the ocean unless you have a war and shootout. they run into each other and killed sailors and relieved

a couple of admirals and did a one-day standdown for safety. with 17 years of war and sequestration, which is hurting the budget, everybody in uniform knew that we were going to be short of money while we are fighting a war. and they have done nothing about this.er look, it's devastating to me because we are losing soldiers, sailors, marines, not in combat, but because of incompetence, plain and simple. that can be fixed rightt now. all the money in the world will not fix the bad leadership that led into this.ip >> tucker: yeah. i bet that's exactly right. given where we are right now, and you have just been explaining theav death toll from it, are we ready for a new and expanded conflict somewhere else in the world right now? >> no. again, less than 1%. we're still in the middle of afghanistan and iraq and syria.f north korea from an air standpoint, okay. but on the ground, battle in

north korea, very, very difficult to do with terrain. not mechanized friendly. my answer is no. 17 years of constant war. we have a great military. but they are tired and the gear that we are talking about now is giving out and the next will be the guys. so we have got to figure this one out. we simply don't seem to want to. >> tucker: very quickly, would it make a difference if we shut down the afghanistan operation after all these years, close to two decades, and moved those resources somewhere else and give the people involved a breather? would that help? >> absolutely. it's not just the guys shooting. as the five to ten people behind them but get them to the field. those are the guys that are churning out and heating up. afghanistan this has been going on for 15 years too long anyways. but yes. that's an example ofof something that would certainly help the maintenance of this and the soldiers.

this is a tired, great force but very, very tired. >> tucker: of course they are tired. they have got to be. colonel, thank you very much. i appreciate that.he >> welcome. >> tucker: parents are being ordered to get consent before they change their baby's diapers. that sounds like something insane. so insane that might not happen but you never know. we will check with the liberal sherpa cathy areu just to make sure. ♪ in the middle of the night, so he got home safe. yeah, my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. what?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.

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♪ >> tucker: in a recent appearance on australia television pink haired said that parents should ask

babies for their consent before changing their diapers. b the intent is to foster a culture of consent for babies who would be, of course, in deep trouble if they actually needed to supply consent for anything. that's obviously crazy but that doesn't mean it won't happen or become the law in this country and so to check on what the future is goinggis to look like, we bring our liberal sherpa cathy areu to join us. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. a >> tucker: so consent for diaper changing for babies. >> yes.in >> tucker: leaving this off whether it's a good idea,, it raises the obvious practical question. >> yeah. >> tucker: how would a baby give consent?tl >> well, the idea isn't exactly the baby is not going to say yes or no, but the baby a few moments. talk to the baby say, is it okay i'm going tong change your nappy, she is australian that's how they say diapers. >> tucker: you wouldn't say that to an american baby. >> i don't think an american baby would understand. actually just teaching consent, what consent is, teaching body autonomy. teaching, i'm not going to touch your body if you don't want me to.

it's just like talking to a baby about anything. "mommy loves you." "daddy loves you." so people talk to babies all the time, so why wouldn't the concept of talking to a baby while doing something so serious as, you know, changing a diaper be so ridiculous? >> tucker: because youcuou typically don't expect a baby to respond in a wayay that can you understand. again, how do you know what consent looks like?w let's just do a little role play, if we could. >> role playing, i'm the baby. and you are changing my diaper. >> tucker: i'm going to make this change. >> um-huh. >> tucker: and you, how do you express your consent or lack of consent for that? >> well, if i start crying, something's wrongs, so you probably don't want too do anything at that moment because you wouldn't want to make diaper changing something that goes along with crying. you would probably want me to be in a healthy state of mind so that in the future, when it comes to those private things, i have been in a healthy state of mind. i will be a well-adjusted adult.

>> tucker: maybe the child's crying because his diaper is dirty. >> right. obviously. yeah. so, i mean, the parent would have to be the best judge of that. but, i guess you would make me cry if you asked me if i wanted you to, and then i started crying, maybe you should get a hint, take the hint. >> tucker: would it be like an eye gesture? you are a mom. do your kids -- can you read their facial expressions and know that what they are saying? >> super healthy. a baby expert said from 0 to 2 are the trust years. during the trust years, you want the baby to trust you. so there is nothing wrongst with talking to a baby and those situations, justst teaching a baby how to trust. so, this is a moment where you are teaching a baby to trust you. so i don't think the baby is expected to necessarily give consent. you are just teaching the baby to trust you. you are asking the y baby for bodily -- you are asking the baby to express bodily autonomy. that's the big point here. >> tucker: babies are not super great at understanding english.

in my experience of having a number of them. maybe other babies are more intelligent than mine were. what if the child keeps saying no like over a period of weeks and you keep going in there and really like to changes the diaper but the child refuses to give me consent, at some point it becomes neglect and also nasty. >> it's the concept of teaching consent. talking about it, during that moment so many parents do not discuss it and they -- the babies grow up and in the english language, they're not even used to talking about those things. the concept is teaching trust, it's trust issue. >> tucker: you don't really discuss anything with a baby. >> you discuss everything with a baby. "i'm going to touch your arm. i'm going to put this lotion on your arm." you talk about everything. "i'm going to dress you." parents talk to babies all day long. "i'm making dinner for you." >> tucker: what about thehe polio vaccine? >> yeah, you're going to get a vaccine. yes, people have to give consent. you can't give organs if you don't give consent.

even dead people can make decisions, why can't babies?nt >> tucker: dead people can make decisions? how do they do that? >> you have to give consent to have the organs taken after you die you can give consent from a baby year to your death. people should always give consent if their body is going to be touched. >> tucker: so, right, if the child says, no, i don't want -- the baby indicates by crying or rolling his eyes i don't want a polio vaccine, then you just don't give them a polio vaccine then? >> i think it's the idea of discussing it with the baby. the consent, i don't think, is necessarily the issue. it's the idea. >> tucker: oh. >> you are developing trust.de >> tucker: even if the baby says no, no doesn't really mean no. >> the baby can't talk during the diaper years. >> tucker: with babies, no doesn't mean no. t i totally get that. where does the obedience part

come in? is there any part of the relationship where the child learns to obey what you say? is it a give-and-take, when does it become a colloquy with the mute person? >> this is a conversation. it's talking with a baby. it's not disciplining, these are the discipline years. as a child expert said. >> tucker: is there a t point where the baby says mom, stop talking. >> or dad. hey, parent, stop talking. >> exactly. i don't think these are the years that the baby would be able to respond but it's just getting the concept of i'm touching your body. you have bodily autonomy. you should have a right to say yes or no if somebody is touching your body. i'm going to teach that concept during the trust years. >> tucker: i like the concept kids do what they're told. that's my favorite concept for kids. do what we tell to you do. cathy areu, thank you so much. w >> thank you. >> tucker: great to see you. >> good to see you. >> tucker: well, our forefathers fought and many

died to free us from the chains of monarchy. many americans still can't resist getting excited about royal weddings. there is one tomorrow. we'll go to london and show you the final preparations with ainsley earhardt who is standing by in front of a crumbling stone building waiting for that to happen. we'll be back. ♪ here you go little guy.

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♪ >> tucker: we are just a few hours away from the highly anticipated royal wedding between prince harry and meghan markle. the final preparations are comingds together right now. "fox & friends" cohost ainsley earhardt is in windsor, england e right now, where she's been for a while, getting ready for this. she joins us with the highlights. the reason i want to talk you about this is that i have literally no interest in this at all but i know most americans do and i know that if anybody could get me excited about it, you could. why should americans care about

english people getting married? >> >> tucker, i will tell you, m sure your daughters and wife care. tucker, this is pretty amazing, it is a true cinderella story. she comes from a crazy background. she's going to -- this is part of her life now. tucker, all the girls here, all the guys here, we are happy for her because she's come through so much, worked so hard, to get all of this. it's pretty incredible that there is a real castle behind me. it's not like disney worldd whee there is a make-believe castle, cinderella castle, but this is a true castle. it's like "downton abbey" ," watching "the crown," there is something about the royalty, the tradition here in london and the history. so we've learned tonight that she is going to begin the bridal procession alone and then prince charles, she has asked to lead her down the aisle, walk her down the aisle. her mother will be here in the

carriage with her.er her father, he told tmz that he's very embarrassed about the paparazzi photos and he has a heart condition and a surgeries of his doctors are not allowing him. she has a half-brother. he's gotten into some trouble, arrested in january for putting a gun to his girlfriend said. his sister has written a book. i haven't talked to ten years. she wrote a book called "the diary of the princesses princes sister." they clearly don't have a good relationship. >> sean: [laughs] apparently. >> aren't you proud of her? doesn't that tell us?a look at melania trump, she speaks five languages,no and now she is the first lady of the united states. i think we a are all excited. she is a divorce, biracial, she's an american, and to look at how far the monarchy apparently has evolved, tucker. there is so much to be said. queen elizabeth uncle abdicated the throne because he fell in love with an american who was a

divorce. so that's elizabeth's father became king. and then her own sister, she didn't allow her own sister to marry the love of her life. and look at prince charles, marrying camilla, who he was love in love with originally, we all love toy. diana, after her deat, he got to marry the love of his life. i think they learn to come after so many divorces, that you just have to let your little ones marry the one they love. they l c have come so far. i think we are all excited for them. >> sean: i don't know if you are convincing me. let me just ask you -- i didn'ts know most of that. in ten seconds, the answer to this question -- >> you were just talking to that ladyno about the baby. >> tucker: i know. it's not my world. what is she going to live over there? does she know how much it rains over there? >> this cracks me up. tonight we were learning that they are staying separately even though they live together which made me laugh. yes, she will live over here, but tucker, are you kidding?

>> tucker: it's awesome. we are out of time. they are in my ear. >> okay. >> tucker: you're the best. have fun over there. >> look, you would love to hunt here. >> tucker: we'll be back monday. have the best weekend. ♪ >> sean: thanks, tucker. welcome to "hannity." we have breaking news all over the place tonight. the deep state abuse of power that we have been covering for over a year is even tonight far worse than any of us could have ever imagined. this is watergate on steroids. remember, the nixon scandal, about a third rate burglary. this is a deep state, political hit job, now spying on an opposition party campaign, fbi spies during an election. it gets worse. the deep state isn't even trying to hide it, and what they did, they are not bragging about it. the former obama director of national intelligence, james cl i