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got into 17-year-old student that killed ten at his high school. there were no signs that detected he was the powder keg that was about to blow. that's until they started digging deeper. doug is in santa if a with more. >> authorities were suppose to reopen the parking lot so staff, teachers, students, and parents could retrieve their automobiles. what threat those pipe bombs actually pose have some degree of doubt. one of the pipe bombs was a co 2

canister. one sophomore baseball pitcher was shot in the head and was sent home. he's the luckiest young guy in the world. >> it went in through the back of my head in the middle and came out right here. i saw a guy with a pistol. i jumped under the table. i flipped the table up. i took off running. i still had no idea i had been not yet. i took off running throughout the door. there is a seven foot wall out there. my adrenaline was so high i

propelled myself over the wall. >> another great shooting from police officer john barns. he worked 23 years from the police officer to move south down here to be a police officer. he ran to the sound of gunfire. what a contrast of who we saw a few months ago. he entrepreneure helped neutralr dimitrios. the suspect made his first court appearance last night. here is more with mark henry. >> you have any questions? all right, we are finished. >> governor greg abbott said the

teen had no signs. his social media postings gave other ideas. he had photos that said born to kill. he had pictures of a dead frog. what degree of troublesome he presents is unclear. back to you. >> thank you, doug. >> the county judge, mark henry. he oversaw the arraignment of the hearing of the shooting suspect. he is joining us now on the phone. judge, thank you for taking the time. how did he strike you when you met him and briefly chatted with him. >> good morning, neil. he was realtiveltive -- relativy emotionally. this was a bond hearing and i

denied bond. >> what will happen next? >> as far as the criminal investigation the police will investigate. the fbi might have federal charges for him because of the explosives. he will be assigned to trial court and it will be transferred for the duration of the case. >> judge, you made the comment that he didn't enter a guilty plea or any plea at the time being. is that usual? >> that's typical for galveston county. we don't ask for a plea. we establish or don't establish probable cause. i did find probable cause. i read him his rights. i offered him a court appointed attorney, he requested that

yesterday. i read him his rights and no pleas were entered. >> were his parents in the room? >> no, no one was in the room except myself, himself, and the guards. >> he appeared in a room like this when? >> he probably won't appear in that room again. that's designated for magistrate hearings at the county jail. his next hearing will be in front of the trial court which is what a courtroom will look like with a bench and black rope. >> i'm reading off images. i'm making a leap that i shouldn't. he seemed relatively composed and calm. he didn't seem emotional. your thoughts? >> i would agree with that. he was relatively unemotional. >> much has been made, i'm going

outside your purview. the texas governor said there were no red flags and no signs. i'll get into that with other guests on the show. nothing to indicate he was violent or do harm to himself or others. i know you meet all sorts of individuals. you don't run across a mass killer everyday. your gut feeling from that brief meeting. >> i really don't have any gut feeling. my information came from galveston county investigators that briefed the governor and i at 2:30 yesterday afternoon. they said they couldn't find at that time. that was pretty early in the investigation. at that time they couldn't find red flags. no criminal history. no indication they should have watched him. >> all right, judge. thank you so much, mark henry.

let's go to pat. since you and i chatted none of his weapons were his own. they included a shotgun and 38 8 revolver. >> no surprise. he had access to these weapons. they weren't properly safeguarded. he had a predisposition of violence. he had social media rants, through clothing he wore and conversation he had at school. he was that kid. the shooters turnout to be the kid, the odd ball kid that everyone gives a wide birth. we have seen it numerous times. even if all of the red flags are there law enforcement has finite

resources. they can't follow him 24/7 until he decides in his crazy mind to go operational. >> we don't know what that trigger point was to be fair. we were chatting yesterday. he was wearing a trench coat on a hot humid day. 150% humidity. he had been wearing this for weeks. some said for months. some of the evidence shows he was a football player and was joining the j.v. team and opted not too. he was quiet and stuck to himself. more antisocial activity. not to the point where it would be worry some but people noticed it. at what point when you talk about if you see something say

something or if you know something intervene or whom do you intervene to. >> this is a rubrics cube. he has a slow introduction to antisocial norms. he's wearing the matrix trench coat in warm weather. he starts with the violent ranting. >> it wasn't a lot. >> it wasn't a lot. >> it was very little. >> you can talk about the trench coat but nothing like nikolas cruz. >> at what point do you assign a gauge to that. is it just enough to show and tell or just under the line. more importantly what happened. john doe, a colleague goes to personnel in charge and said

he's asking odd. they convey that to the resource officer. what goes from there? little if any. the fact is what could they do? they could bring him in and talk to him lightly. they could bring in lightly and see if there is more of a likelihood of violence. unless you follow him and glue yourself to him 24/7 how can you stop him. the timeline is in his mind. that's how it becomes easier. this is at a very low level. like you said, he was just beginning. >> do you think he targeted people. there is no sign he did. he did take the time to tell authorities upon his arrest that i didn't go after, i'm

paraphrasing here, people i liked. what do you make of that? >> he had an ax to grind. there was more detail relating to the charges. there was more of a plan to it. that's a telling statement if it's fact based. it's way too premature to know about the it's fact based. >> i know the governor would like a summit similar to what rick scott did. among those ideas is more aggressive faster background checks. what do you think of that? >> i think it's empty whether it's false narrative. more aggressive background checks is not the answer. there are 300 million guns in america today. they are in holsters, mailboxes, trunks, and safe.

unless you can devise a weapon that can make them all inoperational -- in operational. the answer is in technology. the answer is in training. the answer is in the school resource officers with a weapon. you have to be able to trap these guys when they come into the school. that's the key. >> prevent them from going farther in the school. you will still have fatalities but they won't get to the kids. >> thank you very much. what does it feel like going through something like this. it's a recent feeling for andrew. he lost a daughter in parkland and he's here today.ed that's next. much money do you think you'll need in retirement?

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i'm very angry this happened and it keeps happening. 9/11 happened once and they fixed everything. how many children have to get shot. it stops here with this administration and me. i'm not going to sleep until it's fixed. there should have been one school shooting and we should have fixed it. i'm pissed because i wouldn't see my daughter again. >> he put a face and angry one on parents that lose children senselessly in violence. he lost his beautiful girl. what happened with one of the more recent school attacks. now we have santa fe.

it's good to have you back. i'm sorry under these circumstances. >> yeah, neil, i can't believe it happened again. i haven't slept. it's been a rough day for me yesterday. just feeling the hurt and there are another ten parents that feel the way i do. enough is enough. when will the country say enough is enough. we need single point entries with metal deto com detectors af this happens again. after 9/11 we fixed it. there hasn't been another hijacking. why does it keep happening? it's sad it keeps happening, neil. >> when you were at the white house, it's clear and understandable. the president indicated there

were no sacked cows that will bring more security onto school campuses or for that matter hire more guards or arm teachers or councilors. all of these ideas are being bounced around again. what's the most important thing to do? >> it's layers of security. you have to start with the security of entry points. you need metal detectors and armed guards. it's really three. three layers of security. >> well, the big thing we want to orchestrate with rick scott is to have one law official like a deputy sheriff that's there for every 1,000 students. that would have meant at least

three armed guards that would have been at your daughter's high school at the time of that shooting. again, we know of the armed gun that was there he went onto sue. there is no guarantee that he or she will do the job. >> another part of that bill is training for armed guards in a school. there was of $67 million in that bill. poke county the school board voted 7-0 in training personnel. not teachers. the top of the list is veterans and retired law enforcement. i'm excited about it. i've been working with poke county. the first cadets will be

happening at june. poke county is doing it abdomen i think that's the case across the country. we will have to train professionals. what's better than having veterans at our school. give them a purpose and protect our teachers and students. i'm very happy about a project like that. >> i know you have gone onto sue the deputy sheriff that stayed outside the high school as your daughter and others were getting shot. where does that stand now? >> we are still doing it. i'm not sure if you saw on the news he just got his pension of $8,700 per month. >> $8,700 a month? >> yes, you look at teachers that are way underpaid. they are back at school and have no workerman comp.

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at least ten dead and ten injured. three are in serious condition. they are expect the to live. of course, you know, you are watching this midstream. people left cars there and book bags. they can't get back there until late this afternoon to retrieve not only cars but anything else left outside the building. not necessarily inside the building. authorities will let people do that. students and teachers and anyone else who might have left things outside the school to retrieve the vehicles but not to go inside. with me is pennsylvania republican congressman lou on all of these developments. congressman thank you for taking the time. the governor would like to convene a summit of sorts. among the idea coming up to get a tighter reign on guns.

they raised the age to 21 and i believe you have to be 21 to own them in texas. this shooter retrieved them from his father's gun safe. so it's a different issue. once again the gun issue is coming up. you are looking at his arraignment. your thoughts? >> you know it could be debated separately. that won't do anything. what we need to do is simple. we need to make sure the department of homeland security intervenes and uses it's authority in treating our schools as critical infrastructure like we do other federal buildings and other sectors that are listed as critical infrastructure. i'm on the department of homeland security committee.

i'm the chairman of a subcommittee that over seas federafed -- oversees federal buildings. you can't walk in a federal building and do what we just saw in a federal building. congress needs to appropriate the funds to make sure we do that. if they can't get in the school they can't harm our kids. it doesn't need to be a gun. they also had explosives. >> would you be for what they are kicking around now? this is coming from texas governor abbott. speedy background checks. making sure those who shouldn't be considered to buy these weapons don't. >> this is similar to the guy in florida. would you be open to that? >> i would be open to making

sure anybody who shouldn't have a gun doesn't get a gun. now if we talk about how do we protect our kids that's nod the answer. the answer is don't let people in our schools. there are two different issues here. every time we have this debate about guns we are putting our children at risk. what we should be talking about is getting money to the schools and letting them assess the buildings so the next people can't get in there. we are wasting time talking about guns if they can't get in the school make sure the kids are safe first. we can have these other arguments and debates. >> part of what florida did is get a better sense of locking down schools. parteninpardoning schools. what i want to be clear on here is if you were open to stricter

background checks and more immediate background checks. so if you have any comments deemed threatening on social media you have to wait to get a gun lie -- license. >> shouldn't we already be doing that. why are young men doing things like this. shouldn't we be looking at a lot of other issues. in the meantime, while doing that, let's not people in our schools. >> it didn't need to be a gun. my concern is we are still talking about it after parkland. critical infrastructure means something. there are resources to assess the properties and make sure people can't get in. we are wasting time by not making sure we do that first and

we can have these other discussions that aren't warranted. >> understood, congressman, thank you for taking the time. we reached out to the congressman opponent senator casey. he didn't get back to us. we talked to him in the past. it wasn't the recent past. hopefully he will join us. good news out of the white house. the first lady has returned home this morning. she's resting comfortably we are told. she's in high spirits. she goes onto say she wishes all of those who wished her well and quoting here we thank everyone that has taken the time to reach out.to more after the break. ru lane. but what a powerful life lesson. and don't worry i have everything handled. i already spoke to our allstate agent,

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we already know texas governor greg abbott would like an emergency discussion to do

what rick scott in florida did after the parkland shooting and talk to anyone and everyone including students and teachers. get them all in a room together and come up with an idea to make sure something like this doesn't happen. he recommended something like this when 26 people were killed in a baptist church shooting not too far away. this has been more vigilent. they convened a similar powwow at the white house with andrew who's daughter was killed in the attack. they are trying to come up with ways to make sure this doesn't happen again. the question is what could they do differently. molly has more on what they are cooking up. >> president trump called it a sad day and said the school

shootings have been going on for far too long. he re-tweeted something he tweeted yesterday. we send our support and love to everyone effected. to the students, family, teachers and personnel we are with you in this tragic hour and will be forever. >> my administration is determined to do everything to protect our students and secure our schools and keep weapons out of the hands of those who pose a threat to themselves and to others. everyone must work together at every level of government to keep our children safe. >> vice president pence spoke on the tragedy. a 17-year-old killed ten people most of them students. >> i saw to the students,

family, and teachers we are with you in this tragic hour. our hearts go out to the victims of family and everyone in the santa fe community. >> president trump said they would work to ban bump stops and anything that will make a gun a machine gun. they are pushing for lawmakers to do more. congress must show as much courage as they have and act now to ensure no other community or family must endure the unthinkable. our children deserve real leadership. democratic national committee said it's time to change our laws to protect our children, neil. >> thank you very much. in the meantime other things we are monthing closely a half world away the june 12th meeting with the north koreans.

the north korean leader said i don't know if i can be there. not in so many worlds. the united states is trying to remove or ease one of the impediments he had. that's one of the exercises we do with the south koreans. this kept the green light on. committee member ben has more on these developments. senator, thank you for taking the time. >> thank you. >> senator on this development where we held back on the exercises for the time being. i'm not sure if that will last until the june 12th talks. what do you think of that. >> we have to be strategic. the only way to eliminate the threat of the nuclear confrontation is through diplomacy. we have to be wide-eyed as to

how kim jong-un will behave. we can't rely on what he said. we have to try to denuclearize the region. we have to be clear on objectives and how we use dip d. >> is that the not enough? >> we have to be clear we have issues with what's going on in north korea. what we try to achieve is deal with the nuclear confrontation. we need to have those type of confidence building discussions that make it clear there are other issues in addition to the

nuclear issues. >> do you think we are negotiating with the chinese on trade. the white house might be taking a far more delicate approach to this if not for the north korean situation. >> china is a major partner here. north korea depends upon china's economy in regards to the sanctions imposed. it's important china be in the same strategy as the united states in resolving north korea. having said that dealing with the way the president has on trade is extremely controversial and inconsistent. one thing that disturbed me was the approval and cooperation of congress and there has been little conversation between this

administration and congress as to the strategies going into these negotiations. they need to improve that. >> there was little conversation about the iran deal. >> that's true and congress acted with a review statue because we wanted to make sure there was that type of interaction between congress and the white house. we haven't seen it republican leadership just yet and how we'll engage in the brownsville, texas' conversation with north korea. >> senator thank you. good seeing you again. >> thank you,. >> i want to pass along good news. we have been covering so much bad news. i'm not talking about the royal wedding but melania trump is back at the white house and in good spirits. more m after this. put us in a . go someplace exotic? yeah, bermuda. a hospital in bermuda. a hospital in bermuda.

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17-year-old shooter. he didn't make a plea at this arraignment. he did indicate there was flustration he was feeling at the school and with certain individuals. he said he didn't target individuals he liked. we thought about if he was targeting those he did not like. we know a number of democrats are tweeting about stricter gun control. governor abbott would like to have a discussion with lawmakers, students, and parents and discuss this and do something about this. we have a lot to talk about this with darrell. congressman, what do you make of

what your colleagues are saying. we have to do something about the 300 million guns out there. maybe what florida did after the parkland shooting. >> neil, the congress does two things extremely well, nothing at all and over react. this is a situation in which a 17 year-old got his father's weapons. other than taking away his father's weapons. apparently a law-abiding well individual. the president has shown leadership by saying if you modify a weapon that's been ban we should find a way to deal with that. so, i think if we would do what the president called on us to do based on a well understood criminal act in something that should have been different if

these pump stocks weren't available that's an example where we know enough facts to legislate some sort of solution. as we sit here today knowing a 17-year-old was deranged and got his father's weapon is a long way from having the kind of control my democratic friends call for every time something tragic happens. >> what do you make of someone like dimitrios making comments that were disturbing on social media but not as bad as nikolas cruz. do you think that should be looked at before they give you a gun license. >> this judge doesn' -- gentlemt have a gun liens. we need a strict standard that

you have to be sound of mind to in fact, assert your second amendment rights. you have to not have a criminal or violent background to assert your second amendment rights. >> would that include a social media search? some of your colleagues said with stricter background checks that would include that. >> i think it's inevitable that social media will be an indication or determination if someone has a criminal intent. i see that happening but i don't think we lead with social media. congress doesn't mandate we check social media. we have had one after another tragedy in which there was clear signs someone wasn't stable and in many cases the schools didn't act when they could have. the police didn't act when they could have and didn't do enough.

all of us in washington say where is it we need to make a material change. the president is calling for us to find a way to stop the conversion of fully automatic weapons. we haven't acted on this. when it comes to the over react anything you are talking about a specific action today. in fact families are still grieving is the over react. i sever on the committee that would have to deal with this and i think there are things we could do. we should work on those with the president's leadership. not going off on tangents. >> you are very patient with the breaking news. i would like to meet with you next week on the clinton e-mail probe. >> i look forward to that. >> thank you very much, congressman. >> thank you.

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of a letter that's come to us from the independent school district to all effected parents on all of this saying our community has suffered a terrible tragedy and we mourn of loss of ten members of our santa fe family, eight students and two teachers. our hearts go out to the families of loved ones and we're feeling the overwelcoming grief and we'll make sure they receive the support and care they need during this tragic time and something they're planning today that will be going on all day for victims' families and crisis counseling that will be going right through 6 p.m. central standard time in santa fe, texas. more events and activities planned as needed. gabriel banks is a reporter from the houston chronicle, she's been keeping track of all of these tragic developments and the very latest. right now, gabriel, i understand

there's no access to the school grounds for anybody that left cars there to retrieve them later on. >> i've been closely covering what's been going on profiling the shooter, so i'm not on the scene right now. i've been following the shooter, that aspect of the story. neil: that's full-time in and of itself. what have you learned about him? >> well, he was 17 years old and lived in houston in a working class town south of here. a classmate said that he talked about guns all the time. he wrote in journals about shooting people and committing suicide and he had laid out items on his facebook profile, a shirt that said in block letters "born to kill", german nationalist systems. a pin that dylan klebold had worn in the columbine massacre and a song "humans are such easy

prey" and this young man, who admitted to doing the shooting, came to school in a trench coat with his father's remmington shotgun and pipe bombs. neil: now, gabrielle, governor abbott had said yesterday, here is the red flag warnings were either nonexistent or imp imperceptib imperceptible. i know his facebook post was taken down, but these citings that you reported, did anyone else note it, colleagues, friends, students, was anyone aware of them. >> i don't know that he jumped out at people. a lot of kids thought he was weird and had these proclivities, but i don't know where you draw the line and how you know which kids are going to act on them. i think there's a lot of kids that express some extreme feelings on the internet and he hadn't committed--

he didn't have a criminal record that we're aware of. he had a penchant for guns and he was really into them. neil: yeah, but nothing like the online rantings of nikolas cruz in florida. any distinction there? what did you report? >> you know, i haven't looked at all of these different suspects around the country. so i can't do it analysis of where he is on the-- you know, scale of one to the other. >> right. >> just to say that he had a lot of these signs and we spoke to an expert who said after the act that people always find these things and before the fact, you know, some person here or there, you're going to find was a little bit suspicious and he's in that category, i would say, there are probably people that are going to come out that had fears about this kid, that knew about him, that you know, were freaked out about him, but i

can't, you know, i can't say what a fbi expert would say about how many signs there were when somebody is not suspected of a crime, you can't really jail them. he did tell police during his statement to them yesterday that he -- he intentionally did not shoot kids that he liked so they'd be alive to talk about him. neil: so, does that mean he targeted those he didn't? >> i don't know. neil: yeah. gabrielle, thank you very, very much. all right, the texas attorney general is with us right now. ken, i don't know how much you were an i believe to hear, but if it's-- >> yes, this is ken. neil: it's neil on fox. >> i can now. neil: okay. good, i apologize for that. i don't know if you heard much of what this reporter was saying that the shooter avoided those

kids he liked, which begs an obvious question, maybe simplistic on my part. he with as going after at least initially those he did not. do you know anything at this point or anything you can share? >> no, but i will say this. you know, a lot of times in these cases almost every time the shooter is deceased, either kill themselves or they're shot by law enforcement or somebody else. so in this case, it is going to be interesting to have the opportunity to interview him and talk to him and try to understand exactly what was going through his head when he did this and what his motives were and why he shot who he shot. neil: do we know whether the governor and maybe my extension, maybe your office, are going to take a different posture with this than texas took after the baptist church shooting last november, which 26 people were killed? the reason why i ask you that, attorney general, is that now it looks like the governor is more

open to doing things, for example, that the n.r.a. might not slip over and those include tougher, faster background checks, obviously, keeping guns away from dangerous types. that's not exactly anthema to the n.r.a., but it sounds like the governor is moving in the direction of what rick scott was doing in florida. am i interpreting that correctly? >> i think there's definitely openness to ideas that will work. i don't think it's just about preventing people from accessing guns because that's not going to be enough. we've got to figure out a way to prevent people from getting in our schools. we have to use technology to our advantage. we have to, i think, arm more people at our school for professional law enforcement or for teachers. we can't just let our kids be sitting ducks. so i like the fact that the governor is going to have this conversation with various stake holders and people that care about this issue. neil: this kind of stuff, as you

know, requires a good deal of money. when you talk about hardening schools and you know, make them more secure, whether you're talking magnetometers in schools. that doesn't come chief. they've committed a good deal of moan in florida to do just that as well as raise the age to purchase such weapons to 21. i believe that's the baseline already in texas. beyond that, can you envision other ideas that go beyond f flori florida? >> there are alert systems in the schools so people more quickly now. training what to do and how to act, teachers, administrators, and maybe even students, just so a little bit of time may end up saving lives and certainly, here, you had people on the scene that could return fire. little changes might give them a bet are opportunity to react

more quickly and basically stop this or at least make the damage a lot less. neil: you know, there are froo he -- free speech advocates, who are concerned, an idea expressed by some to look at people, social media postings before they get a gun or certainly a license to get a gun and extending it to recent social media posts and they fear that that would go a little bit too far and be a little bit too intrusive. but what are your thoughts on that? >> so, i think, i mean, we need to look at everything. i'm not sure that's the right answer, but it certainly should be looked at as the legislature conditions our options and certainly the debate will be about free speech and whether that's going too far and i think that the debate should be had and that's what i liked about representative government. we actually get to put this stuff on the table, you know, hear the down side and the up side and the debate needs to

happen and figure out whether that's the best way with that process. neil: ken, as you know, and you keep tab of these things, this is the ninth fatal shooting they've had in 2018, the most significant since parkland and more than any other country on the planet, even on a per capita basis. why do you think that is? >> you know, it's societal. you know, we have problems with families, we have problems with mental illness, it's clearly a problem with our culture. but i also think that we can more quickly address some of this. we at least need to quickly figure out a way to arm people at the school so at least they know that there's a deterrent and lets people know, hey, you come into this school, there is a possibility you're not going to get through and second, you know, it's obviously a faster way to protect our children. so, you know, we can talk about gun regulation all day long, but

i don't want to spend forever talking about gun regulations when we're risking our students and not providing protection. that needs to happen quickly. neil: ken paxton, texas attorney general. thank you so much. again, the meetings the governor wants. he wants as soon as next week. that's about the same time period of which governor rick scott convened with only a couple of weeks to go with the legislative year to get something on the books and done and he did in rapid fashion. then, of course, you might recall that the president of the united states convened a summit at the white house a week after that tragic event in parkland. and whether it will happen it's too early to tell. and governor abbott has changed his mind some on the baptist church shooting, this one ten lives, but it's the latest one might, might, at least in texas

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now. there's no mystery to this, supervisor. so, are you surprised so many media groups that pounced on this, wrongly, and generallylized about it wrongly, that no matter what you think of the president, he did not say what they said he said. >> the media owes us an apology in this case. they were in the very same room where i sat. they knew the context of this and the media was reckless, using this to further a narrative that's absolutely nals false. everybody in that room, including the media knew the president was referring to ms-13 gang members. the worst of the worst offenders out there that kill people in public, decapitate people, murder for fun. to use the word animals, doesn't even begin to describe ms-13 gang members. if anything, the president was soft using that term. shame on the media for sharing this narrative. it didn't happen.

neil: and by the way, nbc's chuck todd, now, not one prone to give the president an easy time, did agree with him on the reference to ms-13 members for being just that. but having said that, i mean, i was hearing one discussion, why remember the network, if you'll indulge me, where they were saying, well, it sounds like something donald trump would say and not even thinking for a moment to retract the comment that was obviously wrong and misinterpreted, and just say, we botched it. >> people hear what they want to hear. neil: absolutely. >> the reality is, watch the full tape. you will see exactly the context of this comment. it's really quite unfortunate. you can see where the president feels the way he does, calling the media fake news, if this is what he experiences on a daily basis, i can support what the president is feeling about the media. you know, i trained at the walter cronkite school of

journalism, walter concrite, he told stories about covering the war and where have reporters like walter concrite gone? >> and he won't be the first president to be flummoxed. and this it's quite, quite clear, we'll talk about afterwards. >> ms-13 gang members, if they don't reserve a certain threshold, i cannot tell ice about them. >> we have a lot of people coming into the country and we're talking people out of the country you won't believe who these people are, these aren't people, these are animals, and we're taking them out of the country at a level and a rate

that's never happened before. and because of the weak laws, they come in fast, we get them, we release them, we get them again, we bring them out. it's crazy. neil: you know, the reluctance to even identify ms-13 members any other way is also kind of crazy, isn't it, kristen? >> absolutely, it is. and what the president was referring to, these weak sanction wary -- sanctuary state laws across the country as well, they're placing back into our country, 142 gang members. california has taken the brunt of it with nearly 90 gang members put right back into our state. in california, we have a governor who has compromised the safety of 0 your residents. it's put our sovereignty as a nation at risk. we're fighting back against our own governor who is so soft on

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>> billionaire ken langone, he's written a book on the subject, i love capitalism. he wasn't always a billionairement he started out quite poor until he came up with

an idea like home depot and he didn't have a handy bone in his body. take a look. >> could you have done that in any other country? >> no, only in america. that's why it's an american story. neil: why do you insist on that? why do you think you could not have done it anywhere else? >> look. neil: haven't you heard what bernie sanders has been saying? >> that's why i wrote the book. folks at random house asked me to write the books and no, no, i'm watching television, but i've seen kids who haven't started they've given up. i said, wait a minute, that's long, look at me. i always wanted to make a buck. i was selling newspapers, i was collecting scrap cardboard. i was working-- >> you seemed like a young guy like a pain in the assments i was a pain in the ass. neil: and oh, no, not ken. >> i was a fresh mouth. and the older guys, i was sharp with words and they were slow and they'd get frustrated and whack me. neil: and were you a go-getter,

and nyu and bucknell. and you wanted to be a success and make money. did you ever think the day would come when you'd be among the richest people on the planet? >> not in a million years. and you know what? truthfully, i don't know how much i'm worth. neil: really? >> yeah, i don't care. i can pay my bills and i know when i give money to a charity, the checks clear. neil: rigbut does the family kn and you have trusts set up? >> i've got three wonderful sons and they're grounded and good. of course we're wealthy, who flows around in the global express unless you have money. neil: and god forbid something happens to you? >> no, never once have my sons said to me, what happens when you check out and what am i getting. neil: you've given a lot to the catholic church, the ken langone

medical center and hundreds of millions. do he ever think that that's money that's not going to them? >> never once. neil: that's what they tell you. do they have lawyers? >> what they tell me-- let me tell you about my kids. neil: okay. >> every phone call ends with, i love you. i love you, dad. i love you kenny, i love you bruce, i love you steven and every time we're together we hug and kiss, okay? as far as i'm concerned, that says it all. now, we're at-- >> you didn't answer my question though. do they expect that they're going to get the money? >> no. neil: okay. you seem very-- >> you were surprised. neil: i was very surprised. >> let me tell you right now-- >> and let me, bernie madoff. i didn't realize the connection until reading this book. >> i had just sold the company for a lot of money, a lot of cash in 2008. the world is coming to an end. that same friday-- lehman went broke on a monday and the following friday, and 4.3 billion dollars in cash, and i had a nice piece.

neil: so you had a good read of him early on? >> i had a read of him for one reason and he said to me i've had people around me for 30 years, but i'm going to give this to you, not to them. and i'm saying to myself, wait a minute, that means if i was with him for 30 years he'd screw me like he's screwing them. i don't want to do business-- >> that was a fascinating read. >> the bible, do unto others as you have others do to you. neil: did you ever predict what happened to him would happen to him. >> no, let me tell you right now, this scares me. this guy was going down. when he was talking to me, he knew he was going down and that's why he was talking. this guy was as cool as a cucumber, it was scary, there was not the slightest indication-- >> this was a circle. some who were decent human beings and salt of the earth, others mike bernie madoff, not so much. how can you distinguish the charlatans from the good eggs?

>> you know, neil, i've thought about that and i've got answers. when i was a caddy in west bend-- >> sure. >> it's amazing how the players would either beat up on you for their bad golf or it wouldn't bother them for their bad golf and after a while, one or two holes into that game when you're carrying you can figure them out. if i'm thinking about hiring somebody for something, i want to go with them to a restaurant and i want to see how they treat the waiter or the busboy. neil: that's interesting. >> you know why? that's the magic. bring everybody to-- home depot, what is home depot? these 400,000 wonderful kids, they're under 82, that's why they're kids. i'm 82. [laughter] >> the 400,000 kids that come to work every day and work their butts off and make sure they do everything they can to have the

customer have one of the great experiences. neil: well, it's like you said, you react more to people who treat people who can do nothing for them very well versus those who can. >> you know what? i still think of myself as the poor kid. the father is plumber, and mother in the-- aunt worked during world war ii and one aunt was a seamstress. neil: a lot of people say you lucked out. >> i have a lot of luck. neil: you heard that bernie sanders and some campaigning for the next election already saying guys like you should pay more taxes and realize how lucky you are, guys like you should carry more of the weight in taxes. >> they left one thing out. neil: you say? >> guys like me shouldn't get any entitlements in addition, i should pay more taxes, i'm prepared to pay more taxes as long as we're headed in the right direction. neil: is you paying more taxes than someone else also in the top 1%, is there a difference? >> neil, let me tell you what i

don't do. i don't tell anybody else what they should do with their money, that's one thing and the other thing, there are a lot of self-made people out there in this world. i'm not one of them. i go out of my way in the book to remember as many names and as many people i can think of across my life all the way to my child who who give me a push or shove on helping hand along the way. i'm being honest, i'm not self-made. i'm sure there are people out there that are self-made i'm not one of them. the joy that i get and elaine gets sharing our good fortune with others, doesn't mean everybody else should do it. it's their money, they earned it, or however they got it, they got it. i don't judge anybody. >> when donald trump cut taxes, do you think that that was a waste of time? >> my taxes didn't go down, my taxes went up. but i'm saying his push was to

spark the economy, it looks like it's working. do you agree? >> yes. neil: do you like trump? >> like what he's doing. neil: that's not what i asked. >> i don't know him. how when you don't know him? you seem edgy. >> that would be unfair. i know him, he knows me, i've never had a meal with him, never played golf. let me tell you why. he's got a job and i like the job he's doing. neil: do you think he's doing okay? >> getting the three guys out, that's good enough for me right there. they were there before. neil: would you support him for reelection. >> right now, i would. depends, but right now absolutely. would i go with hillary? absolutely not. don't forget, we had-- >> struck me as a bernie sanders guy, i was wrong. >> and bernie sanders writing that book in a negative way. neil, honest to god, it's the

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>> the new york times is reporting right now on what might have motivated dimitrios pagourtzis to do what he did when he showed up at 7 a.m. central time at the high school. one student said he didn't yell anything, but a couple of people said he said surprise. another person said he said you're going to pay. i don't know if he was talking

generically about everyone in the room, it was an art class at the time. and that's where the shooting began. what to make of this as we go what, where and behind the attack. the american military hero is joining us right now. you may recall a couple of he and his buddies stopped an attack by a knife wielding man in paris. and star in the clint eastwood directed may have of the same. it's very good to have you, alec and i appreciate you taking the time. >> thanks for having me, i appreciate it. neil: you know, i was thinking of you because in that case, it was a knife-wielding crazy guy, right? i mean, we're so focused on gun, but if you have a knife and you're hell bent on killing people, you're hell-bent dangerous, right? >> he had an ak-47 and a handgun as well, but fortunately, for us, he didn't know how to

operate them that well. neil: what made you do what you did? the reason why i ask, there's always this divided school of thought, do you take on the attacker when he comes into a school or in this case, a train, or what do you do? >> i mean, i don't think i can speak on that. in our situation, it made sense to do what we did because we had no place to go, we were going to die anyway and we gave it a shot and it worked out. neil: so you were weighing it, we're in deep trouble, one way or the other, but we might as well go out fighting. could you tell-- just go through the event itself? >> yeah, sure. well, we were kind of sitting there playing on our phones, or asleep and i heard a gunshot and breaking glass come from behind me when i turned around, basically to see what was going on, and there was a terrorist with an ak-47 standing there, spencer, who was on the aisle

seat woke up and i tapped him on the shoulder and basically said go get him. he took off and made it to the guy and tackled him and i followed up and took his weapons and we just kind of beat him up and spencer put him in a chokehold and hit him in the face with the ak, he went unconscious and spencer went to take care of the passenger that was shot and i took care of the weapons. neil: what were the others on the train doing? >> not a lot. >> yeah. >> most people were in total shock, a couple of them offered to help us which was incredibly helpful especially because we didn't speak french. but, yeah, it was just really a state of shock and i wouldn't say panic, but just kind of almost confusion and shock. >> you know, that always does seem to be the-- yours was a very different situation, i grant you. but i wonder, i think in these school shootings and people in shock, they don't know what the heck is going on.

i know advice is cheap, but advice from you, i don't think is so cheap. i mean, we think about our kids in situations like this. what do they do? i mean, they're told, alarm goes off, run out and sometimes you can be a shooting target in that event. others say, you hide somewhere, anywhere. what do you think? >> i mean, that's -- that's really tough. i really can't say, it just depends on the situation, i would say a moving target is harder to hit for sure, if you happen to be stuck in the open, just keep moving and going away from the shooter, but if you're struck in a classroom and he enters and you don't have anywhere to runny would say fight it out because that's going to be your only hope at that point. >> it's clear from the movie, at least and knowing what i do of your situation, you could have froze, you didn't. but a lot of people, quite

naturally, i don't care whether they're from france or the united states, or anywhere in between, they freeze. the understandably they freeze, but you seem to be saying from the outset you're at that point where you have nothing to lose, right? >> right. and i mean, our situation was also unique because i was with my two best friends that i've known forever. not like i was with total strangers and we had kind of talked about that situation before, what we would do and i think that's a huge help, too, just kind of trying to imagine yourself in situations look that and thinking about what you would do so you have the answer for yourself ahead of time and so you're not in a state of shock and what you want to accomplish. neil: this is ancillary, when clint eastwood put this together, he didn't want to use actors, he wanted to use you and your buddies, the actual heroes. you dismiss the hero term so

i'll leave it at that, but what did you think of that, in that he wanted to do a movie based on what you guys did, starring you guys? >> well, we were just as shocked as anybody else when he asked us, honestly, because he asked us only a week and a half before filming started so we didn't have a whole lot of time to prepare or anything. neil: is that right? >> and it was just, we were just totally shocked and humbled and we were-- we had said, yes, obviously we were very excited to do it and i wouldn't trade it for anything, as the experience of a lifetime. neil: amazing. amazing, amazing. alek, thank you very much. >> thanks for having me, appreciate it. neil: we will have more. yogi is a bear. when it comes to hibernating, nobody does it better. he also loves swiping picnic baskets. hee, hee, hee yoooogiiiiiii!! but when it comes to mortgages, he's less confident. here, yogi. thank you boo boo. fortunately, there's rocket mortgage hmmm. hey. by quicken loans.

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>> man, oh, man, i'm looking at the menu they're having at the reception for prince harry and his new wife here and, man, does

it sound good. it's wrapped in smoked salmon and citrus clam, fresh, i'm told for foodies among you, it's a sour cream dairy product, up to 45% sour cream so light on the calories it is not. poached free range chicken, with a light yogurt and roasted apricots. and the shallot jam, i don't know about you, and a fricasse of free range chicken with mushrooms and other things i cannot pronounce. this is a step up from my wife and i at our wedding at the pig and whistle. but that was a long time ago. [laughter] >> greg palkot, no stranger to this fine cuisine in windsor, england. greg, man, oh, man, that's a lunch. >> neil, i can see where your

priorities are. neil: absolutely. >> listen. it might not have been-- absolutely. might not have been the wedding of the century, but it certainly was the highlight so far of this social season. prince harry hitching up with american actress meghan markle. it happened right here at windsor castle right next to us. kind of a coming together of u.s. and u.k., old world traditional and some real modern stuff. meghan, of course, looked stunning in her wedding dress and there were a whole bunch of celebrity guests, including george clooney, thrilling the crowd and harry looked nervous at first and started joking around with his brother william and saw his wife to be and, hey, he was fine. and the ceremony, well, it featured a fiery sermon by the head episcopalian bishop in america, michael curry, a soulful rendition of "stand by me" after it was sealed with a kiss, they hopped into a carriage and head into town here in windsor and thrilled, again, tens of thousands of people who

had come out. we understand one reception with that menu that you were describing, neil, has wrapped up. elton john also sang a bit at it just to help the digestion and there is an amazing after-party tonight at a nearby mansion, neil, i understand you're invited if you hop a plane and get over here, the price tag, we know you're a business show, for the wedding, profit for businesses, it's said about $100 million. and the benefits for a brexit battered britain something as wonderful as this turned out to be, absolutely priceless. i'll send you tonight's menu, too sweet, back to you. neil: amazing, great reporting, my friend. and they are having cured ham, lamb and pork from the windsor estate, but this event you're seeing heritage tomatoes from

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>> you know, it's a good thing i wasn't covering this wedding today. i culturally wouldn't be up to speed. shep and everyone else were up to it. from my wedding experience, do you want the chicken or beef. if you want the chicken stand in this line and-- >> orange creme brulee tartlet. yop what a tartlet is. i'm with lizzie macdonald and

they're providing the class that i cannot. ten-hour slow roasted windsor pork belly with apple compote and served with champagne and pistach pistachio, and canapes. . finger food. neil: what do you think? >> i think it's wonderful. i was thrilled to wake up this morning to wake up to news about love. neil: there you go. >> we have-- we are daily inundated with political infighting and international. it's wonderful to see the brits in the u.k., the brits and americans coming together on this lovely day. neil: we've been friends. >> i think it's beautiful. neil: there was the dust-up with the revolution. >> we went from enemies to frenemies to this today. neil: lizzie, if there's any

foodie expert i know, you're our galloping gourmet. >> watch him. neil: but, man, that's a menu to-- >> yeah, i was focused on the cake. i've been obsessed with the cake. neil: do we know how big the thing was? >> 40 pounds of butter. neil: that's like my lunch, wow. >> 500 eggs, fresh eggs from suffolk in there. and it is a lemon elder flour. >> elder flour. neil: you're from new zealand. similar cuisine, pretty much, right? >> yeah, we were are commonwealth country and we do the commonwealth games and we're enmeshed in that. the queen is still the head of state. neil: is she really? in a symbolic kind of a way. neil: if you get unruly. >> she could hit us with the stick on side eye, no, kiwi, none for you.

neil: it's got people in a good mood, but, man, this is a long day for the couple. >> it definitely will be a long day. i've been watching since i got up, you know, i was really interested in how each culture celebrates joy, you know, how the u.s. celebrates joy, how the brits celebrate joy. the brits are about detail, and it's in the detail of what they deliver and shows how much they care to the flowers to the symbolism on her gown, her tiara, to prince harry saying you look amazing, and then the brits going wild when she approached the altar. we're wondering what he said to her and she hit the altar and he said, you look amazing. neil: a lip-reader and-- >> yeah, they picked it up that way. we're sharing in a family's joy. this feels like a family celebrating. neil: but daniela, i'm looking at this and i'm thinking, i'm

the money guy so indulge me, who pays for this? >> it's a great question. i'm not entirely clear, i know the british taxpayer likely pays for some. the police and the security. and the british royal family is extraordinarily wealthy. neil: i don't want my daughter to get a lot of ideas. that was really nice. >> and her mother. her mother and the emotion on her face. it was just a beautiful-- >> you know what? you talk about the investment in this, i think for the british people, they feel like this is part of their brand and economic power that transmits around the world, possibly 2 billion people watching the pageantry here and the country coming together to a celebrate a couple madly in love. >> do you think when they were planning the meal. i know, because it's very-- i'm-- did anyone come up with chicken

wings or subs, or those little, you know-- >> the expert, daniela. >> let's put it this way. i love there was african-american culture infused into the ceremony, the choir. neil: not in the menu, i don't see a pig in a blanket. choose doodles, chips. >> it's a royal wedding and i think that the food is ip dick tiff and demonstrative of the realty and the kind of affair that it is. we can all get our-- >> there's a reason why i'm not there. >> we aren't either. neil: you're here to cover it. >> always. neil: thank you, good senses of humor and i'm not criticizing, i'm envious of them and all the things we could have done, my wife and i, when we got married. chicken, beef. in case there are daughters out there looking at this and saying, you know--

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>> new details emerging outs of a deadly school shooting as two of the wounded remain in critical condition at this hour. we're on the ground in santa fe and we'll talk to them. >> and melania trump is out of the hospital following her successful kidney surgery. elizabeth: and we're going to have the highlights from the royal wedding between prince harry and his american bride meghan, now the duchess of sussex. we'll take you