layered and getting intriguing, juap? >> it reminds me of a fog machine. i don't know what is true or not truchlt i think that is what the president is doing here. the goal is to undermine mueller and the intelligence agencies that are the basis of the agency. wait a minute that is the goal. what is interesting here, two layers. you got the sort of idea that the justice department is so politicalized that they are responding to a tweet. no president directed them to go after the sxeem the media strategy. >> thank you, juan. what exactly happened out here. you think that the russians consphired to think that he won the election.

>> no, i think what is shown by the intelligence agency and report that the russians interfered in the campaign and had a clear intent to help donald trump to win. >> it seems like it doesn't seem there is hard-core evidence that advisors connected to the campaign had isolated incidents. and we still don't have that. and what they are saying now. we are seeing more opposition research that led to a mueller investigation. the president is saying you have to look into the fbi and figure out the motive against me. that is a real problem and that potentially is a crime. >> harris: just one second. you know, what is mind boggling about the whole problem though. if they infiltrated the presidential campaign and for that not to be something that

everybody can be agreeing about troubling, isn't it? >> kennedy: it is troubling. you will not have the branch of law enforcement just wander into a presidential campaign like someone wanders in a bar. that person was directed to do that. there are so many powerful tools at the disposal of the fbi and cia, that is what is mind bogbling and something we don't talk about and democrats need to be careful here, at some point they will run a candidate for president and a close campaign, if you have unfettered power and this kind of access to the tools in the hands of a political opponent you better hope that right now we make reforms so that there is more transparency and whether we dial back if there is too much hands

concentrated in the hands of few. when they are politicalized and try to change the outcome of an election that is dangerous and unamerican. >> don't forget the republicans. >> kennedy: this is not just donald trump. devin nunnes concerned about the campaign. that's not what concerns me. it is it a system too powerful and third parties should know concerned about this. >> the big problem is here, there was a threat to our democracy and you have in the case of george papadopoulos and carter page and others prior contacts with russians that was known to our intelligence agency and they recruit someone and asked someone who is an inform apt in the past to help. no one was embedded in the campaign which was the initial claim by the trump tweet. they that is gone.

they were using somebody. >> i don't have a problem necessarily with that provided all of the intentions were above board and not what ken eddy was talking b. >> we are not in the business of hurting agent and we know the scenario. >> harris: you know the agent's name, too? >> sure. >> harris: you know all of the facts? >> i don't know all of the facts. >> harris: there is potentially going to be an investigation and uncover things we don't know. >> that's what rod rosenstein said he would do. >> we should know the answers to this and what the heck was that guy or gal doing there in the campaign itself and then you have to ask was it politically

motivated or a security concern. >> by the way the president has the power to declassify all of the material. and if he had nothing to hide here, we need to know the facts that devin nunnes and trey gowdy have not received the president can get them released. >> kennedy: they are not necessarily trying to make them public. but fewer redactions. if you think they are so facist and a they'rian territorial. you have to be careful siding with the deep state. they will use powerful weapons against you. >> you are making a libertarian argument about the power of government. i appreciate that. that is not relevant to this

discussion. it is the president using the power of the presidency to politicalize the justice department. >> you say the opposite is going on. and he said i.t. is in reverse. >> rod rosenstein is trying to placate a president that was in a rage over the weekend. >> doesn't that bother you? >> that intelligence pursue russian interference. >> were they there for legitimate reasons. that is the story and we better be working and i wouldn't be surprised if it was on both sides. >> you don't know that. >> harris: you are saying ken eddy is making a libertarian. she is making a neutral argument. >> no, i don't think so. >> they are not staying in the scope.

if they find it is politically motivated. >> kennedy: the abuse of power. it is not good truth worthy people who want to keep it safe. it is the few people who want to abuse that power and those people are political and if those people want to change the outcome of the election and they may want to do that in two and half years. they may want to do it. >> who is in charge under the obama administration. james clapper and are john brennan. they made it clear how they feel about president trump. >> harris: and when you look at the information that the intel told on one side. and gop leadership is trying to get and look at the letter that representative jim jordan and the members of the freedom caucus saying what you said. you have a power to move the material forward so we read it

in an unredacted manner. that tells me, that there is more to look at here. when you say you have all of the answers and at least some of the answers. i do think we need to see that material. if not us as the political. but the people tasked need to see it in the raw form as president. let me finish. if that means the president needs to declassify, not only does he have the power. but he has a demand letter. mr. president would you do this for members of congress. >> the reason we are not discussing the name of that intelligence source here today, is because it is dangerous. they put their lives on the line for america. and they are trying to -- let me finish. can i finish just a second? so that person is at risk for us as americans trying to find out

about a foreign government's interferrance in the presidential election. instead you have people who are trying to put and she you see that in devin nunez and trump supporters. >> harris: it is okay you do know it. >> conservative media is putting the name out. >> where was that leaked from? >> believe me it is all over. >> where did it leak from that is the other question. sometimes it is leaked for their own benefit. >> this is not coming from the scombrensigence committee. >> you don't know that for sure. >> i tawning to people and they are not talking. the ones who are talking are people on the trump side who want it out and i think you hear this. the attacks on jim comby and pressure on rod rosenstein right now. and that's why rosenstein has allowed congress to look at fisa

memos and put out text between the fbi. it is unbelievable. >> kennedy: it must be so wonderful to have the secret and psychic powers you feel like you know better than other people and other people can't make their own decisions. >> if that was the case that would be terrible. i think journalist should ask questions endlessly. but you have to think wait a second. what point am i serving a political agenda as to fiendifiennding the facts. >> whose are you serving? >> i hope i speak the truth as an american. >> harris: you don't think other juni

journalist are asking questions. >> we get dilunged and it is a fog machine. >> harris: that's why it helps to have all of the information. >> there are real facts. >> you are better off than us? harris there could be an interview between president trump and mueller. >> harris: he wants to get the interview if he can. and the president's attorney said we need to know what happened if our campaign was infiltrated. >> and interview the spy. >> maybe they can without the name. you don't seem to have faith anybody. >> congress would use it. >> harris: if you keep saying it is all going to leak. what a way to stifle information. >> and why a rogue nation is warning the administration that it could face sanctions. and post or after the iran deal,

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when we are complete. iran will have to make a choice. keep life support at home and it will not have resources to do both. >> kennedy: pompeo's come as european union expressed concern. the european union president said looking at the decisions of president trump, with friends like that, who needs enemies. frankly we got rid of the illusions. you we realize that if you need a helping hand, you will find one at the end of your arm. >> heads, shoulders and knees and toes. >> where are the europeans taking a separate path? as much as secretary pompeo is right and we can impose added

sanctions with iran. if they are doing business with europe, german and italians and french. it doesn't matter. it will cost our airline manufacturers and the like business. and will it infact, have the pulling back on curtain on teheran's terrorist. >> harris: boeing said they would be fine. >> juan: let's hope. >> kennedy: if you rejiggered the dial and the president pulled out and impose sanctions in a way that europe, here's the thing, europe has no problem funding terror. this is all about hesbollah. if you separate having a nuclear weapon and adherrance of the obama cult believe that iran has

no longer that capability and they are trustworthy. you still have the problem with hesbollah. europe is fine funding the regime through european banks into teheran and they don't have a problem with hesbollah at all. >> juan: i am no defender of the europeans, iran clearly has been involved in funding terrorist activity. the difference is people standing in europe. the goal was to deny iran nuclear weapons and that's what we did. and all of the international specter and even the u.s. congress certified that iran was not in violation. >> kennedy: we have evidence from the israelis that indicated otherwise. and our president believed the other. given where we are now. part of the question is, can we enforce the sanctions in a way

that inflicts pain to generate behavioral differences in iran. the answer is yes. we have the world's biggest economy. and the german and french and all. -- >> kennedy: europe needs the united states. there is no doubt about that. but as far as the sanctions, the horse left the barn. >> harris: having just been in israel and seen the situation where the gaza strip and what they are doing with a host of positions knots the least of opening the jerusalem embassy, and pulling out of the iran deal. palestinians are bringing in. and i understand the course of action. bringing people to insight violence. you have iran on the ground inside of syria. and that's why the president was looking to bringing our troops out and then the chemical weapon's attack.

eventually we may leave earlier than anybody anticipate. iran is on the ground killing our guys and on the othered hundred thousand strong hesbollah paid and trained fighters on the border with lebanon. if you don't think this is part of the deal you are naive. you have to think about our asset in the middle east and some of those assets for the other side would love for us to kaputulate and not be tough. >> kennedy: it is not only syria but yemen. >> harris: it is encircled. you tell iran maximum pressure same way with north korea. >> kennedy: and you may get

somewhere. >> abby: president moon will be meeting tomorrow. and they discussed whether north korea has any intentions of giving up its nuke and what should happen with the planned summit. this as national security advisor told colleagues, he doesn't trust the summit will go well and has a belief of not trusting the north koreans and the president remains committed to meeting with the dictator, but that time is running out to nail down an agenda. senator lindsay graham is testifying fox news, that the president will take care of north korea one way or the other in the first term, watch. >> there is no place to kick the can. president trump said he will end

it in a win/win way, he thinks that is possible and if they pull out and play him. he will end north korea's threat to the american homeland and i will let you surmise what that looks like. >> trish: he talked about the military threat and safrpgszs meant to north korea and china. can the president can be successful here? >> kennedy: it is history. it is like mean girls diplomacy. and south korea and the united states are talking, they are the blastics and keeping north korea on the outside of the conversation. north korea changed its tone when china reinserted itself in the dialogue. china wants north korea dependent on them and they want to control the outcome of the korean peninsula and south korea

has a different vision for their own strategy and future that doesn't involve being controlled by china. they have tasted -- >> abby: the timing of china sending the bomb in the south china sea. to your point kennedy they want control. and the summit of north korea, they are concerned about that. >> harris: we sent our uss vincent off of the coast of vietnam. we brandish might. >> abby: i will say though you mentioned john bolton the head of the nsa. you want to make sure the trump administration is on the same page. the way they are communicating it is through the media outlet. you have to make sure.

when the president is speaking. he said if they do not denuclearize we will walk away. >> trish: he could go down in history. >> juan: nobel prize. >> harris: the goal is to get the rogue regime to back away from nuclear power. >> juan: it is the key point. do north korean and kim think what we are discussing is allowing them to hold on to existing nuclear weaponry in exchange for financial support for developing their economy versus the usa, and donald trump. and we say you have to give it up. >> harris: senator tim scott of south carolina.

he told me a couple of weeks ago, it is like the websters are broken. he did use websters. everybody has to get on the same page of what denuclearization means. everybody is talking through media channels and that definition is important. >> trish: ending the russia probe is important x. there are growing concerns about the scope of it in terms of the special counsel 'probe. rudy guiliani said the president is wrapping it up. we have all summer to talk about it. if the commander and chief sits down for an interview. should the president comply? we'll be back after this. the best simple dishes ever?

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the ongoing probe could hurt republican in the midterms. president trump tweets this. no collusion with russia and now looking at the rest of the world. mike warner said taking the report very seriously. he is. >> but if the times' story is true. we have a second or third nation trying to lean in to this campaign. i don't understand what the president doesn't get. if you have a foreign nation interfere in an american election that is illegal. >> harris: rudy guiliani said mueller is aiming to complete the investigation by september 1st if the president

sits down to an interview. as a person on the couch whose dad run for president. >> trish: it is a unique experience. you want to do everything for them to win and i understand the motivation to take the meetings, you never want to be in the business to undermining the democracy. >> harris: there is. you can do opposition research. >> abby: but when you go to other nations that hurt our democra democracy. >> harris: the other countries outside of the bounds. >> abby: you are running for the united states of america and that is my opinion. opposition research will be done. hillary clinton and her camp are not clean of this either. you are more interested in winning for yourself and then

the democracy. that's when we get in trouble. >> harris: you are saying meetings, clinton may have done it. and meetings can be taken where are we in the scope of this? >> trish: in other words, where do you draw the line. hillary clinton doesn't just take meetings, but her foundation took money from dubious places. it is one thing to talk to someone, it is another thing, to have the appearance of a quid pro quo and a conflict of interest because you took money from a country that is going to want to win favors. i think countries thought she would win. >> harris: hillary thought she was going to win. >> trish: where i come out on this, it is a personal and ethiccal thing. i wouldn't be taking information

from the russians. >> abby: you get the subject line in the e-mail. russian officials want to meet with you. that is a immediate no. there is always something they want in return. >> harris: kennedy? >> kennedy: absolutely right. that filled desperation in the trump campaign. you are working with a machine like the clinton machine. and they have been through this. they know how to gather resource and build an army and here you have a bunch of public neophytes trying to play in the same playground and the question is, what do you do? how far do you go? there were lines clearly overstepped with people in the campaign, but i am not so certain that hillary clinton and her operatives were not doing

the same thing. >> juan: that would be a hell of the story if clinton people met with foreign government. >> kennedy: every time huma abedin and scheduled with a donor and if that were met with the same level of skrutine. >> juan: it was front page news from the new york times and wall street jaurnal. they were on the foundation angle. i think most people know, you can't have a foreign government involved in an american election. >> abby: you are american before you are. >> kennedy: anyone knows running for president realize it is not worth it. >> harris: i just asked basic questions because this is where we are going and talking about it. if it is all of the other

countries not russia, where are we going and what is the end game. a penalty that is applied? >> juan: kennedy is on to something with education. >> trish: we are socially in the idea of others having influence in the campaign around the world. >> juan: it is not influence. they are buying something, that's what you said, abbey. >> harris: another set of primaries tomorrow. republicans in the trump era, have reason to be hopeful. can the president help them for a victory. stay put. prudential asked these couples:

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>> trish: welcome back. voters are heading to the polls in four states. georgia, arkansas and texas. this comes as analyst see new reasons for republicans to be excited. and the economy is generally seen as being on the upswing. pollsters are looking at one measure and a recent cnn poll show that 58 percent of the things are going well. that is up eight points when the president was elected. >> the battle for keeping the house on track and getting the economy to move with the tax bill. the american's main focus is

economy. we are working with a president who understands that. and it is the recipe for getting the economy moving again. >> abby: democrats say the numbers do in the reflect enthusiasm on the ground. let's discuss, juan, what is the strategy for democrats? when it comes to people going to the polls, they vote with their wallet and how they are taking care of their families. numbers are good and so if you are a democrat you can't go straight to attacking president trump. what is your message? >> juan: there is a good news for republicans, a generic. it is midterms. and some cases it is in the margin of error now. but when you look at voter

enthusiasm, that tends to be on the democrat side. we saw in the special election in pennsylvania or in alabama and the like, and here you can see democrats talking about local issues and talking about health care, and the need for people to have health care and talking about opioid crisis and counting on the fact that you have active people to turn out because they are upset about president trump. >> abby: trish, it is common. >> harris: they don't have an economic message then. conner lamb was agreeing with the president. vote with the president 60 percent of the time. just economic issues. no one can deny the people's paychecks. >> juan: well, no, in that very election it was evident. >> harris: and that is part of that, too.

>> juan: in the tax cuts. >> harris: don't you think any of that helps the democrats is that work something > juan: no. >> harris: they had jobs more jobs people like us. >> juan: that progress was under the prior administration. >> harris: wow. >> trish: republicans that are successful the majority of them want to run with president trump and they want him to come to their state and town to campaign with them. >> harris: that is. >> abby: he's on to something and personalize in terms of his cha ris maand what he enfuses the american public with. >> trish: that said, he has to get things done and i would argue that you are being short

sighted on that tax cut because it takes a while for people to start feeling better and better. but juan, having more money every week in your check that goes a long way. >> harris: and having a job. >> kennedy: in the labor force, it is anybody's ball game at this point. there are no certaintys and may be more enthusiasm. but the republicans have the edge on the economy especially if it goes forward and a sense of security and peace. that is better. and it depends on who capitalize their slice of pie. >> abby: conservative were invited to speak at the top 45 colleges this year. and democrats are getting prime speaking role and making clear she is not happy with president

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a conservative to address graduates and 26 schools invited a liberal speaker. >> harris: was that before or after the russia hat. she will not get political. >> kennedy: it is so embarrassing for her. and so beneath the dignity when she was our serving our highest diplomat. >> abby: this is how terrible the country is, nancy pelosi and michael bloomberg and elizabeth waren and talk about a noninspirational speech. college students are looking for advice and getting excited to go out and live my dreams. >> trish: doesn't it bother you universities who are supposed to welcome a diversity of thought have a 38 to 3 ratio. >> kennedy: these are idealists.

>> harris: yes, it is bothersome. it would be in any regard that tilted. >> juan: i used to. >> harris: you are not putting on a russian hat. union jun i thought it was a joke. conditioned kenned is she carrot top. >> harris: you think it is an accident she chose that one. >> juan: no. >> what if it were 38 male speakers to three female. >> juan: what is interesting to me, is most of the time when you give a commencement address, kids want to be celebrated and the parents want to celebrate the kids. >> harris: there are good nuggets. >> juan: campuses do lean left in terms of the academic and administrator and the people who select speakers. >> kennedy: i had cookie monster

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