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it's only tuesday. an optimistic way of looking at the week. let's get started. a president trump is set to welcome south korean president moon at the white house. this just three weeks before a plan summit between the president north korean leader kim jong un. if they were growing concerns over whether the summit will actually happen. we've been hearing some harsh rhetoric from the rogue regime and there are new questions over kim jong un's commitment to denuclearization. last night, vice president mike pence telling martha maccallum that the administration is ready for anything and warning the north koreans not to try and deceive president term. >> it would be a great mistake for kim jong un to think that he can play donald trump but the truth is president trump has made it clear that this administration will not tolerate the regime in north korea, possessing nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles that threaten our people, that threaten the united states of america,

threaten our allies in the region. if >> sandra: does is meeting happen? >> lawrence: we don't know. if this guy is unpredictable character. what i will say is this is a different president that is in the white house right now. he is not going to just get some type of iran deal. he is going to want inspections, not going to be any type of self reporting when it comes to north korea and so we will see. i think the president had tough rhetoric going in. he softened it up at the negotiation tool but nobody knows what's going to happen until they actually get in that room and start negotiating things. at the end of the day, whatever deal they come up with, you still can't trust north korea so that's where we are. >> sandra: a lot is on this president who has made it very clear that he wishes this to happen and this would be a big deal for him, big deal for the country. >> katie: let's go back grow quickly to whether or not this is going to happen. president moon, chief of national security came out to the foreign press pull of the white house earlier today saying

they are 99% sure the south koreans are still going to move forward and they are still talking about what is going to happen to come to the table successfully with some agreements and how to implement those agreements successfully as well which brings up the question about what's the goal of the summit going to be? initially it was just a meeting to introduce each other and to develop that relationship, but now it seems like they are trying to develop something that's actually put into play. >> sandra: you can hear the camera snapping there at the white house, the flags flying in the president has stepped out to receive the south korean president moon, who has just arrived at the white house for this meeting. in all of this is happening ahead of this plan to summit which makes it an incredibly important meeting. >> harris: one thing i would say because it's so important that south korea would still see a 99% chance. a journalist in north korea have already begun arriving to take a look at the dismantling of what they promised would be their

program and so as you see those two men walked into the white house, and want to bring up we know which journalists weren't allowed to come into the country? so if they still are optimistic based on the fact that north and south have kind of fallen away from that handshake that we saw the make last month and how monumental that was, if they're still optimistic, then i think that we just have to see. nothing in the rhetoric can tell us that this won't happen. >> sandra: the president greeting president moon on the steps of the white house, and this is president moon's third formal summit with the united states, with this president, the two have also talked by phone several times this year. so they have now gone into the white house in their discussion. >> lawrence: you have to applaud this administration because there was a period of time where this talking wasn't happening. the rhetoric was so high and the tensions were so hot that we weren't able to have this

conversation. we don't know where it's going to go but i'm glad that finally the heat has simmered down a little bit, we are talking this out and who knows what kim is going to do. he's a unpredictable character. he could be trying to string the president along this entire time and pull out of the top, we don't know. but the conversations are happening. >> jessica: are definitely happening. in terms of pulling out, i think that he is well aware of how terrible this would be for his country if he got this far at this point where he hasn't been since 2005. the last time that we actually got to denuclearization conversations. the stakes are high with the advance role the train is playing in this which is different than it has been. i am heartened to see south korea still say 99% which shows how used they are to the bullying and rhetoric that comes out of north korea. they're just like no big deal, and let him say whatever he wants, we are going ahead with our plans and he'll show up. >> harris: even though we won't let her own journalists in, the russians and chinese are able to come in with their

journalists. >> jessica: the ap is good enough for me, will take whatever coverage we can. whatever ensures lifelong safety for our nation and a unified korea. i think the president is certainly getting his due credit here. even saw jimmy carter saying he might be out for a peace prize and to get jimmy carter who is mocking him in his commencement speech this week and at liberty university. >> lawrence: there's been some people on the left that it appears to be rooting against the president. >> jessica: i usually see it but i don't see it this time. >> lawrence: they even said they felt like the president was being deceived, leaders talking about -- and this is a change because at first i thought he was being too hard and now he's being too soft. it does seem like members of your own party don't want this deal to happen. >> jessica: i don't think that's true. i think what members of my party including john bolton who is the one that really ticked him off by saying we are not going to be namby-pamby about this and getting the verifications and doing inspections ourselves or whoever we want them to making

it clear that this is someone that you can't trust but we will go forward with it, i actually think this has been a bipartisan moment in honor of president trump's. >> harris: the polling that showed that within the hill on the democratic party, the president was getting a lot of support among democrats. i talked last weekend he said this is really positive. it may not work out but it may not have worked out for any president. we haven't seen anything like this before. >> katie: the truth is, south korea might have some differences with the u.s. about how they approach the denuclearization of north korea, seeing reports now that they might have something different in mind of the united states, but the bottom line is that north korea is a threat united states of america, the president of the united states cannot allow a foreign country to continue to threaten a large population of innocent people with nuclear war, which kim jong un has done. the other thing is that kim jong un continues to put on

the table the south koreans in the united states of america stopping their military exercises which is illegal, totally illegitimate under international law exercise. he is asking again for us to exchange legality with our allies in exchange for illegal threats of nuclear war. we just spent another warship to japan which also sent a message to north korea that we are not playing that way and is the same argument they put on the table before so it's good to move forward and understand north korea lies, they mislead but they have more news than we do. >> sandra: one professor is quoted in this most recent article in the "los angeles times" that moon will naturally want to avoid any agreement that goes against south korean it interest when he meets with the president right now and they are now behind closed doors. we are going to get comments from them shortly. >> lawrence: one interesting note that i want to talk about because we are talking about his involvement with congress, he says he wants whatever the come up with to be a treaty which is

different from the past administration were they had the steel that didn't go through congress. this is going to have to go to the senate and i think the president having a willingness to involve members of congress is going to be better for the steel in the long run. if >> harris: more transparency. i've had members of congress say they've seen some of the side deals. it did any of it ever get repeated? the transparency also for the american people is to have as many eyes on that is possible. >> katie: also requires that senators and people on the hill are held accountable for their actions rather than being able to criticize something down the road without having any skin in the game. >> jessica: you could definitely look at that with the iran deal and also obamacare as well. the tension that comes out among people in congress and the american people when they feel like no one is being held accountable for something that was pushed through. i understand democrats voted for but it was not bipartisan in any way with obamacare. as i think the president is actually learning from mistakes

that prior administrations and trying to do his best to at least level to blame and get as much input as possible. he does have those rare moments where he recognizes he doesn't know and everything about everything and they are going to be some people who are better equipped to be advising on this. >> harris: where democrats are end of the world can see it. it's interesting moving forward. >> sandra: a lot more coming up on this tuesday. >> harris: a hope for friday. we continue to await those comments from the president as he meets with south korean president moon appeared to be will bring those to you when we get them. plus a new effort to crack down on sanctuary cities. when g.o.p. lawmaker introducing a bill that would punish local officials for tipping off illegal immigrants to federal immigration raids. we'll have all the details on that plus president from meeting with the leaders of the fbi and justice department amid allegations federal officials spied on his campaign for political purposes.

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their closed-door meeting in the president's opening remarks, we know he talked about trade and yes, north korea and the dictator kim jong un, the possibility of a summit coming up between the president and that dictator in june. more notes about that and then also we will get just a moment to go look with tape of those two men as that happens, we will bring it to you live right here on out numbered keep watching. >> it's all very troubling to those of us that hold the fbi in such high regard that they are even that people were assigned to surveilled or even spy on our campaign would be very troublin troubling. to millions of americans that that took place. >> harris: with the words of the vice president, this is heating up, weighing in on allegations that an fbi informant improperly spied on the trump campaign. yesterday, president trump met with director of national intelligence, fbi director

christopher wray and deputy ag rod rosenstein. they reiterated the justice department is committed to looking into this matter and after weeks of back and forth, the doj says it will reveal new information about the russia investigation. white house press secretary sarah sanders released a statement "it was agreed that white house chief of staff kelly will immediately set up a meeting with the fbi, doj together with congressional leaders to review highly classified and other information which they have requested. we are now learning that meeting could happen as early as later today. we will tell you about it as it comes together. all of this is former trump campaign aide michael cavuto says he believes multiple informants and federal agencies were directed to infiltrate the trump campaign. watch. >> let me tell you something that i know for a fact. this informant, this person that they are tried to plant into the

campaign, he is not the only person that came with the campaign and the fbi is not the only obama agency that came with a campaign. i know because they came at me and i'm looking for clearance from my attorney to reveal this to the public. this is just the beginning. >> harris: i think you did just reveal it. if it's heated up. teeing it up, this is a problem no matter what political party you're in. >> lawrence: a lot of shady business and the people that are calling for a special counsel to investigate this have it wrong. there is an attorney general that has authority to investigate this. jeff sessions should be investigating not because it was a presidential campaign about the fact that they as spied on americans. violating the constitution. >> harris: ricky was all from the russia investigation, the way that i see it, i don't know if it has anything to do with this. >> katie: i think the president is very frustrated with the way that jeff sessions has handled this entire situation as he had made clear throughout the past year.

i don't think he's going to get rid of him but i do think is very frustrated. in terms of the specific spying allegations, let's go back to last year we found out that in samantha powers, former u.n. ambassador was responsible for unmasking american citizens. we had susan rice, former national security advisor for president obama lying saying that she never asked anybody and then when she was caught unmasking people, said she was doing it on behalf of her country and that it was important to be doing these things for the sake of national security. there were major questions about how the obama administration handled the 2016 election. barack obama spied on reporters, why wouldn't he spy on a political campaign with his legacy was at stake and he needed hillary clinton to win? in terms of the surveillance and the informants who are working, we still need to hear about who they are, what they were doing. at the bottom line is a lot of this has happened under the guise of nontransparency, will try to figure out what happened and hopefully they can relay some of that information to the

american people in a way that doesn't compromise the inspector general investigation for ongoing investigations. >> lawrence: they gave the authority to a lot of these people through their vote to do this. >> harris: are presented of of florida who was part of this push is about to get that information that katie is talking about and is the least amount of reductions as possible has said you can get to that information without compromising that informant's that's been an argument from democrats in terms of who infiltrated the campaign. but look, if there is several people, you heard another person just there say he's asking his attorney if he can talk about i it. but the stars to get complicated. is not just about that informant so why would the democrats supported finding out about what really happened? >> jessica: i think now that rod rosenstein has said he will look into it that's way that democrats think about it. i think the people who were being honest and bored about it are saying we want to get to the bottom of all of these things because this is the problem with

an institution that doesn't just belong to one president. it's now crossed over. i think that's important. i think it's also important to disentangle all of the threads here. when you're talking about a five is a abuses versus talking about russia and collusion, those are very separate things in hillary clinton's emails which is part of the second special counsel. there are so many moving parts to this story and i'm sure you've all share my frustration every morning when you wake up and think i need to know everything about this and there's so much coming at you all the time. so i think that spending time in having dan coats and christopher wray and rod rosenstein fully committed to making sure that they are looking into as much as they can and releasing as much information that won't put people in danger. but i find concerning about this is that it seems like the president is ordering for information that pertains to his own case with the mueller investigation to be made. they're supposed to be independent. and there are many people on both sides of the aisle. i don't think so. there are people on both sides.

just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should. stay when it doesn't mean that is also illegal. i want to bring sandra in here. we saw house speaker paul ryan is a little while ago talk about this. and what i thought was interesting about that is yes the question, why are we just finding this out now? >> sandra: i think people are looking for size and scope. i don't think we learned that much from the speaker of the house when asked about this and comment on that earlier but how big of a deal is this? working off allegations of multiple informants targeting the trump campaign. just how big of a deal is this? >> lawrence: it's a huge deal but i keep going back to matt gates is another one that voted for reauthorization trade when you get the government this power, all these republicans, calling them out. they voted for this. >> harris: a rand paul tried to tell them.

with fisa section 702, and you and i have talked about this a lot on the couch. when you don't drill down on this and give that much power to the government, this is what can happen and it doesn't matter which party paid >> katie: this can go both ways, that's the thing. >> harris: is making news today and we are all over it. the democrats have a new plan to win back congress. by turning the tables on the president's own plan to drain the swamp. whether this can be a winning strategy. we will talk about it. plus a group of congressional republicans calling for a second special counsel to look into alleged misconduct had the highest levels of the doj and fbi. we've been talking about this. we will broaden how the with fresh points on the debate. is it necessary? to close. >> we have at least 19 members of congress who will be introducing today at 12 12 page house resolution detailing misconduct at the highest level

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>> sandra: as he saw the top of the hour, south korean president moon jae-in's meeting with the president right now. if we are expecting a taped playback of that meeting that we are getting some notes as to what is being discussed in that room. in north korea, the president is making some news in there right now. he is refusing to say whether there are conditions for the north korean meeting. he has taken many, many questions on this. john roberts is in there and he is letting us know what is being said. the president said he would like the nuclear's and of the peninsula to be all in one. don't want to explore other ways but would like it to be all in one. he says he can guarantee kim's safety. he will be safe and happy. at the president says his country will be rich, he will be extremely happy if it works out. in the opening remarks by the south korean president, he

started out by addressing something is happening here at home, give condolences for the texas school shooting, congratulated the president on getting the american detainees out of north korea and then he went on to say he is looking forward to the summit and calls it one step closer to peace. the president saying -- president trump -- things are moving along with the north korean summits. these are just some of the things that are being said right now inside the white house in that meeting. we are going to get those comments for you shortly. if he will turn those around and show you them when we get them. meanwhile, fox news alert, more than a dozen house republicans introducing a resolution that calls for a second special counsel to investigate alleged misconduct at the fbi and the justice department. the resolution focuses on three areas: the ending of the investigation into hillary clinton's personal email server, the progress of the trump russia probed from its origins to the

appointment of robert mueller and alleged fisa abuses. here are some of the lawmakers behind the resolution. >> in just the past few days, we learned of the doj, fbi, or both appeared to have planted at least one person into donald trump's presidential campaign to infiltrate or surveilled the campaign. it's time we get to the facts. it's time we appoint a second special counsel. if this fact pattern doesn't warrant a second special counsel, somebody tell me what does. >> sandra: all of this comes as a justice department is asked its internal watchdog to investigate whether the fbi or doj infiltrated or surveilled of the trump campaign for political purposes. lawrence jones shaking your head. >> lawrence: i'm so sick and tired of special counsel after special counsel, seems like the only person in the department of justice that is doing their job is the inspector general. seriously. he is the only one they can

complete investigations, give people information about investigations, go after people, can't prosecute everyone. this has nothing to do with russia. i don't know what the attorney general is going to do. is he going to recuse himself? >> katie: let's talk about why these republicans have called for a special counsel now which is bolstered by the new spying accusations and in the past, they say the inspector general is respected, he's important, he produces a normative value in terms of shedding some light and dark areas within the government. however, he doesn't have jurisdiction outside of the justice department. so he cannot talk to political appointees under the obama administration after present trump came in and he cannot talk to people who are no longer working for the department of justice which limits the amount of scope that he has actually get to the bottom of this. also as you said, doesn't have the ability to prosecute anybody. however, he does have the ability to refer people from prosecution to the u.s. attorney

which he has done before. it's a jurisdiction issue about who can be interviewed which is why they're asking for special counsel. >> harris: 's a politically speaking what i hear you saying is with this attorney general do well for himself to do what he can do? you can wait for a second special counsel and you can do all of that, but there are some things that sessions can do at this point. on this issue, on the hillary clinton issue, what things are favored or unfair in her favor in the investigation, what he can do regardless of his recusal for the russia investigation. why not do it? >> lawrence: americans being spied on abuse, doesn't mean that the attorney general has to come to the conclusion immediately before the investigation starts. he can appoint a u.s. attorney, deputy a journey to find a conclusion of the investigation.

he goes to the department of justice, not asking him to come to a conclusion. >> katie: is not doing it because the inspector general is currently about to release his investigation he is finishing about the hillary clinton investigation. so they're saying we're going to wait for that report to come out and then go to the other side. they would argue and have argued that we are waiting for that report for recommendations and then we will move forward to based on how serious the results of that investigation are. >> jessica: i'm just struck by the list of topics that are included in the need for the special counsel. so you have the origins of the mueller investigation which is something that i know ticked off a lot of people on the right. then you have the fisa abuses which seems to be what you are primarily concerned with and a lot of libertarians are focused on and then suddenly, hillary clinton is thrown in there again. we've also completely glossed over the conversation that we should be having about effectively fbi and hillary clinton's run for president. donald trump is all up in arms about what happened to him but we know that jim comey coming

out 11 days before that election and saying there were more emails. the fbi was very concerned with making sure that the trump campaign wasn't being treated unfairly. they've made that perfectly clear. we didn't want to say we're doing an investigation but they had no problem coming out and saying that anthony weiner has emails on the laptop and actually we are not going to do anything about it, sorry that we just took up for new cycles and hurt her chances. i'm not saying she was a perfect candidate but it did hurt her. >> harris: she said yesterday, she can't let it go. it can't let it go. >> jessica: i am over that, i have accepted my fate. are you guys kidding? >> harris: what i understand as you put something extra on a special counsel's list that you would like also to be looked at. >> jessica: i don't want a second special counsel and for

people to say a special counsel in the first place is a waste of time which a number of republicans have, how can you then be wanting a second one? it's completely hypocritical. >> harris: from wanting to talk just about kitchen table issues, handling the corruption allegations swirling around the trump administration in the run-up to the midterm election hoping to tap into a successful strategy. he delivered them control of congress pray to chuck schumer, nancy pelosi rolling out the latest blank of their messaging more on the steps of capitol hill. a watch. >> president trump has embraced the most egregious establishment republican norms and appointed the most conflict of interest rate and cabinet in my lifetime. the swamp has never been more foul or more fetid than under this president paid >> instead of delivering on his promise to drain the swamp, president trump has become the swamp. we want to republicans and their

big corrupt big donor agenda to get out of the way. it is giving the american people a raw deal. >> harris: the anticorruption plank just one arm of the democrats broader messaging plan which they call "the better deal." that they first unveiled the plan last summer but has largely focused on economic ideas which is why my brain was breaking. why not the economy? >> lawrence: bad move, but jessica's party. >> harris: it's not all jessica. >> jessica: they were more of me. >> lawrence: they focus on things that americans don't care about. identity politics, anti-trap, russia, all the stuff that america doesn't care about. they care about their living paycheck to paycheck. >> harris: there are some bright spots in this economy that democrats don't want to talk about. just a question. >> sandra: they probably don't want to talk about the fact that this president is following through on creating jobs and bringing growth to the country as far as gdp. there is hard evidence that

things are shaping up for the american people when it comes to the economy. that being said, is a district further anti-trump message to drain the swamp, is in that the messaging that didn't work for them before and to say that they're going to have a better plan come the midterms, should there be a plan in place now? it's going to be crunch time here soon. >> jessica: i thought there was one in place which was a better deal and focusing on economic issues in health care which is an economic issue. >> sandra: what is the message they are? >> jessica: what they were talking about, the country works for everybody, for middle and lower income americans. that means not giving tax cuts to corporations. if you're just going to say oh, i'm just telling you. that's what it means. that's what the message was. >> lawrence: do you believe in that message? >> jessica: i believe in large individual tax cuts rather than corporate tax cuts. i don't think trickle down works.

i think it benefits people at the top and corporations. and it benefits donald trump. >> harris: emma to present him with something jessica said because i almost heard something coming, i thought it was about y it's not. >> jessica: it is about the economy. what they're trying to do was get away from saying russia and to focus on corruption which as he pointed out. >> harris: so from collusion to corruption. >> katie: democrats are really concerned about corruption, they would be for smaller government because the bigger the government, the more corruption is bad especially in washington, d.c. i find it interesting that now democrats are stealing the slogans of president trump to try to win back some of those democrats that voted for trump. a better deal, who talks about deals all the time? president trump. talking about a better deal for america, all those things, making a deal grade again, all these things. the thing is if they can't talk about the economy because the

economy is going well, unemployment is down to levels we haven't seen in a few decades, manufacturing is up, regulations, the administration has more regulations and they promise to do which is enabling companies to build more and do more. they don't feel like there's a wet blanket over the economy like they felt for almost a decade now. so democrats have to go to another place because talking about the economy only gives credit to the person. >> sandra: are they going to steal the build the wall? >> jessica: definitely not, no walls. >> harris: see collusion, corruption. how about cash, the economy? we will move on. a new twist in the battle over sanctuary cities. speaking of laws. he knew that was coming up. now i have a congressman steve king is introducing a bill that threatens jail time for sanctuary mayors like oakland who warned her residence of immigration raids. is it time to hold sanctuary officials accountable legally or

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>> sandra: the president and south korean president moon jae-in are in the white house right now and what is turning out to be a very lengthy conversation. the president responding to many questions on the plan to submit with north korea and kim jong un. he says to quote, "things are moving along with the north korean summit." he refused to say whether there are conditions for the north korean meeting. he says that he would like the nuclear's and of the peninsula to be all in one. he doesn't want to have it otherwise but would prefer it be done all in one. he then took a question on

christopher wray and rod rosenstein and of course the news of the day saying that if they spied on the campaign, it is a "disgrace to the country and would make every other political incident look small." and would be unprecedented. so the president is making quite a bit of news there as he continues his conversation with the south korean president on this plan to summit and billy putting out there that this meeting might not happen in jun june. >> lawrence: we should have assumed that when these conversations first started, like i said at the beginning of the show, kim is so unpredictable. but again, this is such a fluid situation. this is why part of my problem is that i hate that we are having this negotiation between donald trump, kim jong un, and the press because they were so many moving parts and this back and forth. >> harris: there's also propaganda. i don't miss it. kim jong un waited until the date was set and the location

was set for him to say maybe i'm not going to celebrate dismantling and maybe i'm not going to denuclearize and you can't tell me that that man doesn't understand what the meeting of that word is. >> sandra: while he refuses to say whether there are conditions for this north korean meeting, and as i said, he would like the denuclearization of the peninsula to be "all in one," he cannot guarantee kim's safety. he can guarantee that you will be rich. if it works out. >> katie: so they are trying to reassure kim jong un that he will be able to preserve his regime even if they denuclearizing because his entire premise of his own negotiation require that he keep his nuclear weapons with the ability to preserve his regime. and he has looked at things that have happened around the world over the last ten years. john bolton's comments about that, made it hidden take a

second look at that and the president is trying to reassure him that even if we do nuclearize, the unite states will be there to make sure that you do not get murdered. >> harris: this is a country, he's got propaganda, his people the answer to as well. you might say this rhetoric courted out for the very reason. >> sandra: the president also saying this on a summit, we are moving along. and if it doesn't happen, maybe it will happen later. you never know about deals, made a lot of deals, you never really know. working on for june 12th. he will know soon. >> harris: forgive me if you touched on this and i didn't catch it. also from the pool today is fox news and john roberts, when the president was asked if he was pleased with how trade talks were going, according to john, he said the president insinuated that president xi may have tried to move kim jong un away from the summit.

mood also answered questions, says he is very much aware that they are skeptical views about the success of the summit and whether the north koreans will denuclearize but we should not think it will fail just because past attempts have failed. >> sandra: just a heads up that the tape is out. we are going to play this back to you when we get it. that should be happening. >> harris: not in our voices. >> lawrence: that's exactly what i was thinking. there were other players to this negotiation. >> katie: during the entire sanctioning of north korea, china has been sending oil on ships and then deny that they were doing it. so they have a stake in this is about. >> jessica: if trish was here with us as well, she would be saying china. china is the key to all of this. hearing that, that they were cheating and doing that certainly shows what kind of control they have over that

country and how kim jong un certainly feels. this is a country that doesn't produce anything for themselves and is not like japan or south korea is going to be sending them a gift basket. >> harris: is not with the president is saying. he is saying you will be rich if you come to the table. to think about china for a second. the americans are going to come to the table and they're going to satisfy north korea's financial needs. where does that leave china? >> katie: china has always worried about north korean refugees flooding into china, having that being an economic burden for them, it's helpful for china for secretary pompeo to go on fox news sunday and say we are willing to put in a 15% of north korea's gdp because that takes china off the hook for the responsibility of north korea. however, the military side of this is that china has no interest in having the united states and north korea have more prevalent military power on the korean peninsula. >> jessica: you have to add to that japan that we don't talk about.

this is an enormous region of power. >> harris: we haven't talked about it today. >> jessica: in this conversation that we are having right now about the summit. over japan all of the time. >> sandra: is interesting because this is the strategy on the part of the president. he's confirming things are moving along. he sounds optimistic almost at this meeting will happen. >> lawrence: optimistic but cautious. >> sandra: almost indifferent in saying this could fall through at any moment. >> lawrence: if he read the book, then you realize that is what trump is doing right now. i think we have a tendency -- members of the press just freak out, the deal is getting ready to be done and in fact, it's a part of the negotiation. it's not typical for what we are used to as americans. we have politicians. >> harris: less transparency quite frankly. maybe some dealmaking was going on but we didn't even learn about the obama letter.

until far after they had it. >> harris: look at the time, how long these men have been meeting. you talk about the entire hour, moon jae-in was greeted by the president on the steps of the white house at the top of this hour which we are being told is about 35 minutes. that's a lot of time to make news and to change that story. we're getting a lot of the words that are being exchanged by these two world leaders but this is a key as you said earlier, high-stakes meeting. >> harris: i'm curious what democrats are going to be saying because we are learning so much about the relationship building that is president has been doing. you don't spend that kind of time with somebody unless you've been working on some stuff in the components of the summit coming together when the north and south now decided they're not going to talk to each other officially right now because of the military exercises. so we understand through rhetoric and propaganda.

they are in there. >> jessica: are definitely in there and definitely have built a solid relationship and this is something that people who do oppose the president have had to contend with all the relationship with french president mccrone for instance where people thought there's no way he's going to like him, he is our climate change guy and ask to have one of the best relationships if not the best relationship that is out there. it's important for both sides of the aisle that they act with restraint about this because we are dealing with in predictable actors there. >> harris: we know what you mean. >> jessica: for the rest of you, i met unpredictable. you are dealing with kim jong un and we have no idea what he is going to do here and also a president who knows if it doesn't happen june 12, maybe it will happen in july or august. doesn't really matter to him as long as he gets it done and all the terms that he wants. >> harris: 25 years of i don't know if it's a completely failed but certainly constipated.

because now you have something different. we've had those failures not because of the united states but because of north korea why we are going to have to move forward in dealing with north korea. so the president right now is behind closed doors meeting with the south korean president, a big meeting in which the two are clearly discussing the future of those talks with north korea. that summit scheduled for june 12th in singapore. it the words exchanged by these two leaders told moments ago, seems like it's being called into question at some point. we will see what the president says although he says that things are moving along with those discussions. this is moon jae-in's third formal visit with the president. >> president trump: it's a great honor to have president moon of south korea with us. we become great friends of the

years and we have now known each other for quite some time. we are working on many things, obviously north korea is a big one no matter how big trade is, north korea in this case is the big one and we will be discussing that. we will also be discussing trade. we have a big trade arrangement that we are renegotiating right now is south korea. they have been excellent people to work with for the trump administration. and we will have some pretty good news on trade and we will be discussing other things. the big topic will be singapore and the meeting, see what happens, whether or not it happens, if it does it will be great, a great thing for north korea and if it doesn't, that's okay too. whatever it is, it is. but i look forward to spending quite a bit of time with the president, i think a lot of good things will happen. i want to thank everybody for

being here. mr. president, great honor, thank you. >> "[speaking korean]

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>> translator: i would like to thank you mr. president for your warm hospitality and for sharing much of your time with me. i know you have a very busy domestic calendar as well as the all important summit approaching. i heard the tragic news that many innocent lives were lost due to a shooting at a texas high school a few days ago so i'd like to convey my condolences to you and the american people. on a brighter note, i like to

congratulate you for the safe return of the american citizens who have been detained north korea. thanks to your vision of achieving peace through strength as well as your strong leadership, we are looking forward to the first ever u.s.-north korea summit and we find ourselves spending standip closer to achieving complete a denuclearization on the korean peninsula and world peace. all this was possible because of you, mr. president, and i have no doubt that you will be able to complete -- accomplish a historic feat that no one has been able to achieve in the decades past. i have to say that the fate in the future of the korean peninsula hinge on this and as such, i will spend all effort to the end to support the success of the upcoming u.s.-north korean summit and stand with you all along the way, mr. president. as max thank you very much. i do think he's serious. i think he would like to see that happen. at the same time, he's going

into a future that's different from what they've had but i think he is absolutely very serious, yes. go ahead. >> can you give us an update on where things stand with the summit? president moon's national security advisor on the way here seem to think that things are on track and that this will indeed happen. >> president trump: we are moving along and we will see what happens. there are certain conditions that we want and i think we will get those conditions and if we don't, we don't have the meeting and frankly, it has a chance to be a great, great meeting for north korea and a great meeting for the world. if it doesn't happen, maybe it will happen later. maybe it all happened at a different time. but we will see. but we are talking, the meeting scheduled on june 12th in singapore and whether or not it happens, you'll be knowing pretty soon. we are talking right now.

>> reporter: how will denuclearization will take place? >> president trump: i have ideas and strong opinions on the subject. i have strong opinions that north korea has a chance to be a great country. and it can't with a great country under the circumstances that they are living right now. but north korea has a chance really to be a great country. and i think they should seize the opportunity and we will soon find out whether or not they want to do that. yes. >> reporter: have you spoken to kim jong un? >> president trump: i don't want to say that. there is no reason to discuss that. i can say this, for a short period of time, we have been dealing with north korea. and it's been, you know, good experience. we have three hostages back. they are home, they are living with their families, they are very, very happy. i can only speak for a very short period of time. it's been a relationship that seems be working. we'll see how long it

continues to work. hopefully it will work for a long time. john? >> reporter: unrelated, mr. report, tell us more about the meeting with rod rosenstein and christopher wray yesterday? >> president trump: a routine meeting. as you know, the congress would like to see documents opened up. a lot of people are saying they had spies in my campaign. if they had spies in my campaign, that would be a disgrace to this country. that would be one of the biggest insults that anyone has ever seen. it would be very illegal aside from everything else. it would make probably every political event ever look like small potatoes so we want to make sure there weren't. i hope there weren't frankly. but some man got paid based on what i read in the newspapers. and on what you reported, some person got paid a lot of money. that is not a normal situation, the kind of money you are talking about. so hopefully that would be -- and i think the department of justice wants to get down to it and congress does so hopefully they will all be