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he said they used "confidential human sources," which is what the fbi calls spies. as he put it, "facts matter." hilarious. then comey turned serious, or series as a buffoon can pray in spying on the trump campaign he said was "tightly regulated and essential to protecting the country." he went on to point out that asking the questions about any visible "do lasting damage to america." shut up and obey. we could go on and on but you been watching television lately, you knows what lies they are telling you. jody jennifer is a former district attorney and he joins us now. the ironies in this, jim comey beginning a tweet with "facts matter" are self-evident. to the specifics to mothers spying, use of confidential human sources is tightly regulated. did i judge to sign off on this? >> no. the judge usually doesn't sign off on it. what happened was, this was not
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the. traditional use of a sourc. this wasn't spying on a campaign of the opposing party of the incumbent president, who at the time wasma barack obama. what you are hearing from clapper and comey is gas c lighting. this is charles poirier talking to ingrid bergman, trying to make her think all the things that she sees in front of her are not real. they are lying in the most unbelievably brazen and insidious way. if they were not spying on the trump campaign, why didn't they justan tell the trump people, te russians are coming after you, be careful? because that iss not what they were doing. they were spying on the truck campaign, trying to frame people, set them up, the use of mr. halper, stefanas halper, planting evidence so they could blow it back and use it in fisa warrants. comey, clapper, and brennan, they are psychotics who can't stop lying. >> tucker: what i'm interested
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in, among many things, the response from the left, the self-appointed civil libertarians who have been telling us for generations about protecting the right to the individual against the state. i ask a member of the house intel committee,al eric swalwell of california the other night, who signed off on this. he suggested that a judge knew about and approved this spying. you are saying that's not true. >> no. well, the fisa surveillance -- >> tucker: of course. >> but not this intrusion into the campaign. this was done with our traditional -- >> tucker: why wouldn't we want to know more about how this happened, why it happened? there is no precedent. why iswe this not a big deal in the eyes of liberals? >> liberals are no longer liberals. they are progressives. they are into the woodrow wilson format, everyone is an enemy who isn't on your side. they hate drum so much that they weren willing to besmirch the constitution to achieve a goal, which was his ultimate defeat at the ballot box, and if that didn't f work, to have him
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removed. >> tucker: i feel like i'm going crazy. i'm reading these stories day after day that are denying what they are reporting. here's one, just pulled out of a hat. some guy called justin miller at "daily beast" ," he refers to i, "the false claim that the fbi spied on the trump campaign. was going >> >> and informant a spy. a confidential informant that weasels into any organization as a spy. james clapper, while fumbling for his television appearances, has conceded that it was spying. in his words, it was good to spying. >> tucker: how could the president, who oversaw the fbi, not have known about it? >> he did. you remember that memorandum that susan rice wrote on inauguration day, memorializing the meeting on january 5th. on january 5th, the president, joe biden, sally yates, rice, they were discussing exactly what we are finding out now, and
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they were trying to figure out a way to explain it because they knew, since hillary didn't win, now it was going to come out and theyey needed a story. obama knew all about this. the notion that he didn't is ludicrous. >> tucker: it's shocking to me that nobody sees this as a terrifying precedent going forward, that one administratio administration, suspicious of its political opponents, would use our most powerful law enforcement agency to gather information on them. do we want that to be the president? >> we do not. what's tragic, and the course of doing that, they destroyed the fbi. it will take a f generation for the fbi to return to the respect of the american people that it deserves. james comey, who says he loves the fbi, has actually slit its throat. >> tucker: it sure seems that way. joe,fa facts matter, says james comey. >> lawyer. >> tucker: thank you. aou former trump campaign advis, who has been a sect of the
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middle of all of this after interviewsws with mueller's investigators not a moment ago. michael, you said recently in another interview that you became aware of working on the campaign during 2,016 of another potential spy working onn behalf of intel or law enforcement agencies controlled by obama. tell us what you know about that.. >> i discussed publicly the last couple of days, in early may approached me by a former government contractor and the national security arena, through an intermediary, tried to get to me and tell me that the nsa had hillary clinton's emails and that we could get a hold of them if we wanted them. this conversation continued for aa couple of weeks. i eventually toldd them, i have no interest because i thought they would be classified material. as a former army veteran who held a top secret clearance, i knew that was probably peril. >> tucker: and you believe that was in effect a trap
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designed to lure you in to compromising the trump campaign in some way? >> ie will tell you what, tucke, for two years i didn't know what it was. i gave the information to the house intelligence committee, the senate intelligence committee, and the mueller investigators when i sat with them two weeks ago or three weeks ago. they didn't seemt interested. i didn't know what to think of it, i scratched my head. the intermediary, an old friend of i mine, we talked about it or dinner dozens of times. we can figure out what it was. then the news came out aboutth best buy -- the spy latching one trump campaign, and the light bulb turned on, and i realized, if this wasn't a tangle of some sword from the fbi or whatever, this was a strange enough where i needed to bring into the investigators weren't interested. they didn't even take notes when i told hi about it. ie thought i should bring it to the public.
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>> tucker: can i stop with a really quick? i'm confused. that is pretty close to the b heart of the topic that mueller is purportedly investigating, why would they not be interested in hearing more about that? >> right. if the u.s. government had hillary's emails in early may when this government contractor was telling us, we could get them, then why aren't they interested? i got to tell you, that is what really set off a red flag for me because they just didn't seem the least bit interested at all. they didn't even take notes. i offered them a timeline i was reading from and my interview and they didn't even take it. >> tucker: that is just absolutely remarkable. we've been following your personal story for a number ofng months now, and you got sucked into this, i think, and it's turned your life upside down. do you expect to have more contact with mueller's investigators? >> i brought this to the public just last couple of days and there is another approach to me
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that was done in late may -- the last half of may, by somebody who i believe was organized by the investigators. i can't talk about it on television because i think the mueller team wanted to talk about it a lot, so much that i think they sounded like the authorsed of it. "i want to talk about it with te doj office of inspector general, now that i know that they are responding too the president positively and they are looking into these dangles in front of the trump campaign, i want to talk about both of them, the one i talked about in public, the former national security government contractor who came to me through an intermediary in the first week of may, and this other approach that happened in the last half of may. my attorney is writing a lettere to the office of the inspector general, asking to be invited to testify on this. >> tucker: i hope you will be becausee unlike mueller's investigators, i am interested.
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michael, thank you. >> tucker, you see these fbi agents that want to go in as well. they are asking for subpoenas so they conduct the ig about what they saw sitting in the office of the fbi. there are a lot of great men and women who are line agents of the fbi who want to talk and i want them to know, if they are watching, they don't have to wait for a subpoena. and all those legal fees are really expensive. our legal fund at captuo legal fund.com, we'll pay their legall fees. if they go to the inspector general, reveal what happened, we'll pay their legal fees. >> tucker: their work has been besmirched. there is a lot of decent fbi agents and they must be -- >> most of them. >> tucker: michael, thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: mexico's top politicians, all four of them, agree on one thing, their country should continue to funnel migrants into the u.s. is it time to treat mexico as a hostile power it is? a univision anchor with no interest in being tough on that country joins us next. ♪
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♪ >> democrats are sticking up for ms-13. you heard nancy pelosi the othel day trying to find all sorts of reasons why they should be ablet to stay. these are stone cold killers. vicious killers. when you hear families like that and see families, these are incredible families, they lost their daughters in thise, case. you had some other people in the room that lost sons. this should never happen. >> tucker: that t was the president today in long island talking toto brian kilmeade. he spoke about the menace of that machete wielding salvadoran
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streetet gang. nancy pelosi and other animal rights activists have rallied to the defense of ms-13 but sadly other people have learned the hard truth about it. rob's daughter was murdered by ms-13 and he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. >> thank you for have to make may, tucker. >> tucker: what is your reactionon to the president's description of ms-13 as animals? >> he was being very polite about it. he can't see what's on his mind because people take things out of context. what they did is a -- he nailet right on the head by calling them animals. >> tucker: why do youpe think people will defend them? >> because there's always going to be somebody who's going to take something that the president says and take it out of context and then they are going to be on the opposite side of what the president is trying
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to do, which is just basically trying to help us, not my family, but helpless, the united states, that it makes it of the united states with the problem of ms-13, how it's routing families. >> tucker: ms-13 did not exist when you were a kid. >> no, it didn't. i think they've been around for maybe 20 years in the united states. >> tucker: yeah. tell us what happened to your daughter. >> my daughter was attacked the eve of her 16th birthday. she was walking back with her best friend back to her house and these vicious animals approached them and decided to kill both over a dispute that happened in high school between kayla and one of the members of ms-13. >> tucker: that had nothing to do with your daughter. >> my daughter was just at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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she really was. >> tucker: i'm sorry about that. >> thank you. >> tucker: would at the presidentt say to you today? >> her: said, we are working ha, will continue fighting to eradicate this gang and america has given us nothing but support about what happened to us, and to the other families that also suffered the same way, through the crimes of the ms-13. he's sticking behind us 100% answer on my. >> tucker: i'm sorry. it's really a shocking and sad story. thank you for coming on and telling us that. >> you're welcome. >> tucker: mexico's presidential candidates disagree on many things but they are all united on one point, they want to ship as many people as they can to this country illegally. during a recent debate in tijuana, the border city, across from san diego, all four mexican presidential candidates said if elected, theyy would assist central american migrants traveling to the u.s. illegally through mexico.
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a news anchor for univision, a frequent guest on the show, joins us tonight. and ricky, thanks for coming on. >> great to be here, tucker. >> tucker: this is, among other things, a criminal conspiracy to subvert american act of hostility aimed directly at our nationalts interests, by all four of the potential future president of mexico. why a should we not consider mexico and an emmy in light of this? >> candidate say a lot of things when they are campaigning. president trump said he was going to build a wall at the border and mexico is going to pay for it weighed 17 months into his presidency, we know that's not going to happen. i think they showed a willingness to cooperate with the u.s. on issues like immigration and border security. >> tucker: you make an interesting point.t. let me just suggest a difference between the two pledges. the president pledged to build a wall on american soil with american tax dollars. he did not propose forcing mexico to pay at gunpoint.
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he said, i will convince them to pay. i don't think he will. he did not suggest breaking mexican law. he did not suggest subverting mexican national security. he did not declare war on mexico.en all four mexican presidential candidates just did that. why should we not consider mexico a hostile foreign power? >> like i was think i might have the candidates showed their willingness to cooperate with the u.s. on issues like border security. the problem is when you have cabinet members traveling to mexico, like secretary nielsen or secretary mattis, to gloat about the cooperation, sign agreements left and right, and then two hours later, president trump tweets that mexico is not doing anything for us. >> tucker: i don't know if you heard my point. i understand, it's a rocky relationship and both sides are at fault and i understand. this is something different from what we've seen. all four men running for thecy presidency of mexico are pledging to intentionally break
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american federal immigration law and help flood our country with people we don't want here to our detriment. that has never happened before. no one has said that out loud. all four of them just said that. why shouldn't we pause and reassess our relationship with mexico on the basis of that? >> it should make us pause about how president trump is unfairly criticizing mexico. this is why. since trump became president, mexico has arrested and deported over 200,000 immigrants. 200,000 immigrants. president trump insists that mexico is not doing anything to help the u.s. >> tucker: for the fifth time, they just yesterday said -- >> we might as well not do anything and let those immigrants just go through mexico. >> tucker: really? what would happen, if the united states, which they could do with one day, stopped all remittances from mexican citizens working here and
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floating the damaged corrupt mexican economy with american dollars? what would happen to mexico? oh, it would collapse. so the truth is, without illegal immigration in the united states, mexican leaders, who are mostly rich, get to ignore the social problems that mexico and transfer them to the backs of american taxpayers. actually, we are doing mexico a massive favor. to give us the finger like this, why should we p put up with tha? >> they are not referring to mexican immigrants. they were referring to central american immigrants coming through mexico. mexico, through cooperation and agreements like the one that secretary nielsen and secretary mattis gloat about, the ones that president trump undermines, throughout cooperation, mexico is dropping hundreds of thousands of those immigrants. mexico is saying, why should we keep cooperating with the u.s. if we are going to be unfairly criticized? >> tucker: how would you feel as a journalist if, and his next
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round of presidential elections, all the candidates said, we'll take our poor people and send them to mexico. we'll help themm get into mexico and go on welfare there. would you see that that is a provocative threat? would you blame mexico for that? >> that's an excellent question, tucker. >> tucker: it is. thank you. >> in the campaign, we heard president trump refer to mexican immigrants as rapists and criminals, a we've heard unfound criticisms about mexico, while we are neighbors and strategic partners and -- >> tucker: we are not strategic partners. are you kidding me? we float the kleptocracy of mexico through our pinal benev. mexico is a corrupt country run by a tiny oligarchy of blond people for their own benefit and we make that possible. >> the u.s. does, too. mexico has corrupt politicians but it's not a corrupt country. it's a great country. >> tucker: then why are people fleeing at? >> they are making mexico great
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again, just like trump promised america. >> tucker: you don't give an inch. i will let our viewers decide. enrique, good to see. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: the nfl is finally taking some action to halt or hide the national anthem protests. it took them two years. we will tell you what they decided to do next. ♪ h a higher risk of stroke due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin, i'm up for that. eliquis. eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis is fda-approved and has both. so what's next? seeing these guys. don't stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily
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viewership by the nfl has realized the public was turned off by the controversy over players kneeling during the national anthem. today roger goodell, who runs the league, announced a new policy banning public anthem protests. if players don't want to stand, they have to stay in their locker room or that he will be fine. already they have protest the rule, and the new york jets said they will play the fines if his players protest. jason whitlock is with fox sports 1, frequent guest on this show and he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: i read the statement, it seems fine. this line stuck out. "we are dedicated to continuing our collaboration with players to advance the goals of justice and fairness in all corners of our society." which made me wonder, are they going to take positions on tax policy or an after next? i thought it was like a football league. [laughs] >> they are not going to -- listen. i think we are triggered out nfl aretr trying to please everyone.
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i'm not sure if you can accomplish that. i think some people are heartened, okay, the players can take the field, be called upon to stand or respect the national anthem and the play, but i think he is opening an opportunity for a conversation about the players that don't come out on the field, and that will drive a discussion about the nfl that might be a bit uncomfortable and not what the league wants. i really think, tucker, they should have done 1 of 2 things. they could have said, look, we're just going to remove the national anthem from your involvement, everybody stay in the locker room, we'll do it with our fans.s. that would have been option one. option two, it might have been the one i would've preferred, i wish he would have just said, look, if you come out and you disrespect the national anthem, youl want to play. you'll still get paid, but you won't play. and so, that will force nfl owners and coaches to be a bit
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more vigilant about who's on their team and whether these players want to hurt their team by honoring their protest during the game, make some real consequenceson for that protest. >> tucker: very smart. why didn't he do that? that is kind of a brilliant solution. why didn't he do that? >> i think the goal was to please everybody, players, the left-wing media that hates football, and then also t trying to please the actual sports fans and the consumers of football, who just want the players to respect the flag, respect the anthem, and put on an entertaining game. people go to sporting events to be distracted from our politics and debates about race. sports and football stadiums have been where people of all kinds of different backgrounds, economically, race, politics, all come together and root for a
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common team. it has been a place to go to discuss politics. >> tucker: that's right. it's great to have a respite from w all the insanity. jason whitlock, host of "speak for yourself," great to see you. >> thank you. >> tucker: thanks. one of the most affluent cities in california has decided that stormy daniels is a national heroin. they've given her a key to the city and naming a day for her. details i had. ♪ de the digital divide is splitting this country. we have parents who are trying to get their kids off of too much social media and computers, and then we have parents who would only hope their children have access. middle school is a really key transition point, right. the stakes start changing. students begin to really start thinking about their futures. what i like about verizon's approach is that
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>> tucker: well, creepy porn lawyers clien >> tucker: well, creepy porn lawyers client, stormy daniels, has had aa long, successful career in a permanent southern california industry. the city of west hollywood says that she is a national figure in the resistance to the trump administration entry is a profile in courage and deserves great honor. the mayor has declared today stormy daniels day and afforded
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her the keys to the city, not making any of this up. a radio show host in california joins us tonight. ethanoo, the city has a lot of actors in it but they chose this actor. i'm not familiar with her work. what is your favorite film is used on and how would you celebrate stormy daniels day? >> i don't know any of her films either, tucker. here's the deal. hollywood is known for its lgbtq community. the trump administration, regardless of the rhetoric from president trump on the campaign trail, has not been particularly lgbt friendly. so the city has chosen to use -- she's fighting the president. >> tucker: how do you celebrate stormy daniels? be specific. >> in thisey case, they are givg her a key to the city. i read the stories to my kids, at bedtime, i'm sure you do the same thing, i read them -- >> tucker: for not stormy daniels related stories, right? >> no.
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not stormy daniels related stories. but she's been very brave. how many people want to take on a sitting president, somebody who's been inin an industry that is not typically celebrated inke his country? >> tucker: should we be celebrating her industry? is it an empowering industry for women do you think? >> i think that there are a very select few women that view it that way and there are some feminists that say that, if you choose to enter that industry -- >> tucker: [laughs] don't even say that. it is not empowered to amend. it's all disempowered, obviously. it's degrading.. let me ask you to sincerely. i'm not sure what what the sins here. the allegation is that there was an act of congress between adults who weren't married to each other. is that considered over the line and west hollywood? do they frown on that? pretty heavy duty evangelical community? were they mad about what stormy daniels? >> itac goes back to the lgbtq
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topic. west hollywood is a very friendly part of town, and so they are concerned about the attacks that have happened on the communities. >> tucker: hold on. a straight woman who said she had a voluntary sexual and character a white man, she is now part of the lgbtq resistance? >> in this case, the lgbt community, represented in west hollywood, they have seen stormy daniels being brave, standing up, supporting her attorney michael avenatti and his efforts to bring president trump's, some of these dark parts of president trump, what the people have done around him -- >> tucker: dark parts? i'm confused. i'm very familiar with west hollywood. i used to live in l.a. i don't remember it being a puritanical place. are they upset that trump is alleged to have had this
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relationship outside of the bonds of marriage? what is the sin that they are protesting? >> i would suggest that there is some hypocrisy here. if you are going to be taking anti-lgbt stances -- >> tucker: no one and this is gay. this is insane. >> it is the administration -- >> tucker: i don't know what that has to do with stormy daniels. i disagree with your premise but i don't know but it has to do with stormy daniels. any other porn as far as they? >> she's the one who is leading the fight. look at what happened with michael cohen. the taxi can clipped, new information out of the bbc aboum ukraine, a lot of dark things -- >> tucker: i'm not attacking stormy daniels. with the study of west hollywoo, wooded deer have a thomas jefferson day or george washingtonor day? to what extent are they
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degrading themselves? honestly, are you proud of this? this is your standard-bearer? >> for as much as you like to pick up michael up michael avenatti and stormy daniels -- >> tucker: i don't know who r:at is. >> michael avenatti. >> tucker: oh, creepy porn guy. >> he's a zealous advocate for his clients, -- >> tucker: zealous, for sure. >> he's driving home the support of his client -- >> tucker: ethan, great to see you. i appreciate it. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: the elites of both parties tell us that empowering china would make us richer and happier. it did make the merger and happier. how's the rest of the country doing? part three of our series on china is next. ♪ insurance that won't replace
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>> tucker: one of the biggest economic events in th >> tucker: one of the biggest economic events of his country, a seismic event since world war ii, wasn't something that mostme americans barely noticed when it happened. china's admission into the world trade organization. that was the moment when trying to fully emerged global stage as an economic power. it only happened because america allowed it to happen. leaders in both parties told us that letting china into the wto would be great for everybody, especially us. here was bill clinton's pitch back in 2000. >> for the first time, our companies will be able to sell and distribute products in china made by workers here at home. without transferring technology and manufacturing. it never happened before. for the first time, china will agree to play by the same open grading rules we do. never happened before.
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meanwhile, two tough new safeguards against searches of imports which would threaten to throw a lot of americans out of work in a short time under. unfair trade practices. >> tucker: george w. bush became president the following year by the policy remained the same. china was allowed into the wto. four years later, president bush declared that deal a major success, "china's membership in the wto has been a good thing for america." but t has it been a good thing r america? that our leaders lie to us? consider these numbers. in 2001, our annual trade deficit with china was $83 billion. today, it is $375 billion. since 2001, the american manufacturing economy has all but collapsed. our apparel, text tile, and wood furniture industries are now half the size they were. a2017 study from the economic policy f institute found that america's trade deficit with china cost us about 3.4 million jobs between 2001 and 2015.
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over the same. max, this country lost 60,000 factories. wagesmp and markets that are competing directly with china are lower by more than $200 per adult per year. when theych joined the wto, chia was supposed to follow international fair play, that was the point of it. but they don't and they never have. china relentlessly steals americanan intellectual propert, the annual cost to us, hundreds of millions of dollars per year. china restricts the export of natural resources, like magnesium, silicon carbide, if no such restrictions violate the rules of theen wto. foreign companies operating in china see their technologies stolen, often, forced to partner with local partners who add no value. this a is effectively a shadow tariff on their companies. china's biggest g8, though, is on currency. from 200,022,014, china suppressed as national currency
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against the dollar, giving it a huge advantage in the exports. that definitely violated wto rules but the u.s. never took serious action to stop the chinese government from doing this, even as thousands and millions of factory jobs across the united states were annihilated as a result. the people who got us into this deal are still around or they are doing great, they are prosperous, bill and hillary clinton, the bushes, members of congress, business leaders, they are in fine shape, not worried about their jobs, their incomes are higher than they've ever been. the center of the country, though, if you've driven through it recently, you know, has been hollowed out. earlier we talked to lou dobbs, host of "lou dobbs tonight" on the fox business network. >> tucker: thanks for joining us tonight. >> great to be with you. >> tucker: china's entry into the wtos in 2001 began hurting america almost immediately and of course 17 years later, it is clear the damage it has done anr yet they remained bipartisan support for it. why? >> because of both are supported
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by the same groups. wall street, the business round table, the chamber of congress, and the koch brothers. driving u.s. multinational interests throughout, we've seen it going back to president clinton, in which he talked about china entering the world of nations and playing by the same rules as did p george bush, as did m president obama, and it's been nothing more than a pipe dream and the reality has been trillions of dollars lost in economic growth for this country, millions of middle-class jobs lost, as you know. >> tucker: what does that mean? you see china cheating on the mic under the terms of its mentorship and you decide to do nothing about it, have you conve yourself you are helping america by allowing china cheat? >> they were convincing themselves with a considerable amount of grace and the systems from, a gun, k, lobbyists, the
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vessel establishment, who are multinationals and focused, so s all about who is owned, and both have been owned by the establishment for all this time. what happens with president trump? the fact is he is the only candidate with the guts, courage, the principal, and the understanding of both business and economics, as well as national security, to have attacked the establishment and the consequences of their horrible policies that they followed in both trade and national security over the past threeti decades. >> tucker: so the bipartisan response to trump's mentioning how we are getting hurt by china by these trade agreements was to say, even among liberals, you can't tamper with the precepts of free trade, you'll startad trade war, people who never free trade before were
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out there carrying the banner for free trade. what did you make of that, as a long-time conservative? >> the absurdity is, liberals don't understand economics to begin with or they wouldn't be liberals. secondly, the idea that this president is trying to reverse the consequences of all of those misbegotten concepts, values, and ideas over the course of three decades, he is really the only one who has the guts to stand up over the course of these three decades. i imagine this, and say, we are not going to take it anymore, we are going to focus in the middle class, focus on traditional american values, and search u.s. leadership once again, at least over ther free world, if not our own future. this president is going a long waysng toward asserting that control of our future. he's the only one talking aboutl the future. >> tucker: i don't want to oversimplify, evenn if the midde class has withered and died, no
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longer their majorityy in this country, theaj top echelons have gotten richer than any group is ever been in human history. do you think that phenomenon is tied directly to china trade? >> i think it is certainly implicatedwe. we've lost millions of jobs, estimates range anywhere from three to 4 million jobs, outsourcing alone. then you have those jobs ripped out of this economy because of labor arbitrage that is cheaper labor producing goods and china, going to have a competitive advantage over u.s. middle-class wages and workers. thee result is onerous, why we have seen the middle class shrink rather than prosper. >> tucker: meanwhile the finance economy hasas bloomed. lou dobbs, thank you. that was a great description of a sad phenomenon. i appreciate it. >> great to be with you, tucker. >> tucker: while, a 30-year-old manchild has finally been forced to move out of hisea parents basement, court order is making him. cathy areu, the liberal sherbrooke, supports his right to stay.st
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>> tucker: theater-year-old michael lived in his parents basement for eight years rent free. his parents kept asking him to leave. they asked five times. they gave him a thousand bucks to help him find a new place but he did not take the hint. finally his parents wentin to court. a judge has ordered himt to leave. the boy manchild claims he shouldn't have to leave because he doesn't want to leave. watch. >> i'm not a burden to them in the home. they don't provide laundry or food. it's really a moot point for them to seek me to be ejected. >> sean: cathy areu is the founf "catalina magazine." we were interested to hear what she thought about him. he's 30 years old, but he says he doesn't want to leave. should he be forced to leave?
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>> why? a third of 18 to 35 euros in this country live with their parents. he's actually normal. michael loves his mom. he wants too be with his mom. what is a wrong without? ... parents. he is normal and he wants to be with his parents at a time when he's not ready to move on. you would think his parents would welcome him there. his mom would want to be a good mom and have her son lived there. >> sean: they don't sell my grateful parents. at the age of 30, you're not ready to leave your mom's basements, why are you ready to vote or drive a car or drink alcohol or serve in uniform? >> we don't know if he does any of those things. but we do know that he's not ready tor leave,n he has a bedroom, he does not live in the basement. >> tucker: sorry. i didn't mean to impugn his character. what is wrong with loving your mother. in the future, maybe she will want to live in his bedroom in his house when he is more interested and feels better and has prepared for the world.
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maybe michael will have a nice house, maybe a mansion. thankful for their support that they wouldn't spend that money on the lawyers but on him and his future, on their son. >> tucker: i'm trying to discern meaning here. if you love something, you get for free, which i understand. if i love a rolex watch, do i get it for free, if i really love it? >> this is apparent in a child. if you are a parent, you're always apparent. she's always a mom. if it is on, he's always a sign. they should always love each other. they shouldn't hire lawyers" against each other in court. >> tucker: but one of love the watch and i need to know what time it is becauseha otherwise, you need to know what time it is. i love that watch. as a sincere love. why were they call the cops on me? >> it's about responsibility. she gave birth to that child, you do not give birth to that watch. that's different. his mother should understand, it's your responsibility.
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it's good for society, for her to take care of this child, her child, no matter how all this child is, and make sure her child is ready to face the world. >> tucker: you can't a jet of this arrangement. once you are born, you have a moral and legal right to sponge off your parents forever? >> i think he loves his mother. michael loves his mommy. he wants to be with her. >> tucker: michael is 30. we've only got 20 seconds. are you concerned about the explosion of man children in our society? is that good for women? >> women and men, 18 to 35, are living at home with their parents. a third of millennials are living with her parents. this is what is happening right now and we seem fine as a society. make america great again, right? >> tucker: nothing like living with mom when you're 30. it is that the brave new world that we shouldew resist. we disagree. cathy areu, great to see you as always.
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