president. that's all happening. brian kilmeade. we thank you for being with us. you make it happen every night. we thank you. we'll always be fair and balanced. we are not the destroy trump media. let not your heart be -- what wise acre comment tonight? >> laura: well, where do i start? >> sean: i've been preparing it all day. go ahead. >> laura: i have a question. i mean, i didn't get a fruit basket or anything for giving kudos to your son for apparently beating everybody at tennis yesterday. i got nothing. >> sean: they won the ncaa national championship. >> laura: so awesome. >> i know all the kids on the team. they are amazing kids. they have an amazing coach tony bresky. and, you know, he is a freshman. it probably the greatest experience so far in his life. >> laura: college sports. i'm sorry, i know everyone likes professional sports, a lot of big sports go on tonight. go caps. >> sean: i'm done with the nfl because of the kneeling. i've had it. i'm watching college

football. >> laura: go alabama. >> sean: where are you going on the show? >> laura: the president is coming on but he is going to walk to the studio any minute. >> sean: there is a tease. laura ingraham, false -- headline. laura ingraham lies to audience and says the president is walking in. didn't walk in live. >> laura: thanks so much. great show. >> sean: have a good show. >> laura: good evening from washington. i'm laura ingraham. this is "the ingraham angle." we have a jam-packed show. james comey attacking trump again but a report says he left the f.b.i. in such a mess that the agents are begging congress to let him testify about it. also president trump holds a round table on ms-13. we talk to michelle malkin about how to rid america -- i don't want to call them animals because it's an insul to animals but -- insult to animals. and facebook -- this has to be a joke -- wants them to send you nude photos. we explain that in the seen and unseen segment. but first, unbridled power of

the surveillance state. that's the focus of tonight's angle. was the trump campaign -- comprised of private citizens surveilled by the obama administration? was information collected and then retained about them? these are questions that should frighten every american no matter what your political affiliation. was the government spying on its citizens? well, we know for certain that carter page on this program earlier in week was targeted and surveilled by the f.b.i. he was approached by an f.b.i. informant who was reportedly sent out to make contact with page and other trump campaign aides. the big question, did president obama or high-ranking white house officials know of, and authorize spying on a political opponent? mainly, trump and his campaign staff. well, this is certainly not the first time the government surveilled citizens or captured information on them.

i want to take you back to a hearing from 2013 when senator ron widen posed this -- ron wyden posed this question to the director of national intelligence james clapper. >> i want to see if you can give me a yes or no answer to the question. does the n.s.a. collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not? >> not wittingly. >> laura: then yesterday, clapper appeared on "the view" where he tried to defend himself against trump charges that he is basically just a liar. >> the president is calling me a lying machine. well, okay. [laughter] what that stems from is an exchange i had with senator wyden five years ago in march of 2013 about surveillance program and he was asking me about one and i was thinking about another. so, i made a mistake.

but i didn't lie. that is what occasioned -- >> laura: yeah. occasioned the lie. well, even megan mccain could see through clapper's offiscation. >> in 2013 when you were asked about it you said no. that is a lie. >> no, it isn't. i was thinking about something else. >> what is he thinking about? it's a lie. it amazes me that he continues to go on national tv and shamelessly with a straight face deny what we already know to be true. information leaked by edward snowden, the national security contractor, completely contradicts clapper's claims. the question from wyden was simple and clear. wyden himself called out clapper for this repeatedly. i think the most damning moment of "the view" appearance is this one.

>> was the f.b.i. spying on trump's campaign? >> no, they were not. they were spying on -- a term i don't particularly like on what the russians were doing. trying to understand were the russians infiltrating trying to gain access and leverage. >> i like how he does this. spying. like he doesn't like the term. he is the man who oversaw massive surveillance and intel collected by spies. he has a problem with the term "spying"? are you kidding? the laughing making it very believable. none of this was lost on the president who today tweeted "spygate" could be one of the biggest political scandals in history. then he doubled down. >> president trump: if you look at clapper, he sort of admitted they had spies in the campaign yesterday inadvertently but i hope it's not true. but it looks like it is. we now call it "spygate." you're calling it "spygate." a lot of bad things have happened. >> laura: bad things, mr. president, have been

happening for some time now. remember when clapper and sally yates were confronted by senator chuck grassley about the unmasking of trump officials? they were surveilled, remember, at trump tower. >> mr. clapper, did either of you request the unmasking of mr. trump, his associates or any member of congress? >> yes. in one case i did. i can specifically recall but i can't discuss it further than that. >> did either of you ever review classified documents in which mr. trump, his associates or members of congress had been unmasked? >> oh, yes. >> you have? can you give us details here? >> no, i can't. >> miss yates, have you? >> yes, i have. no, i can't give you details.

>> laura: there is little doubt in my mind that we have witnessed an outrageous abuse of our intel and law enforcement agencies. not because brennan or comey or clapper were convinced that russia was rigging the election. but because they wanted to hobble a much bigger threat. donald trump. the obama crowd was so brazen and so confident that they were doing the right thing i think in the end they were really sloppy. at least serve trump associate -- serve trump associates are suspected of being you are vailed. bannon, conan, jared kushner, carter page, george papadopoulos. we also know that four top obama officials requested that the names of americans be unmasked. for samantha power this was reportedly near daily undertaking in the 2016 campaign. that year. 2016. here is why all this deep state intrigue matters. the obama team had a material

interest in spiking the hillary clinton e-mail probe and making way for the trump russia investigation. their careers and their legacies hung in the balance. as andy mccarthy of "national review" points out in a column today had hillary won the election many of the officials would have retained their jobs and would have been able to cover whatever schemes they ran during the obama tenure. they simply could not permit trump to take the presidency. and once he was within striking distance, i think they got really desperate. desperate to wrap up that hillary probe so maybe she could take the white house like they thought desperate to collect dirt on trump to destroy any chance of the candidacy. it's a rich irony that the very people who claim that they want to stop russian interference in our elections, adopted the tactics of a totalitarian state. like russia. to stifle political opponents. and to subvert the election of donald trump.

given all of that, it made me howl when chuck schumer said this yesterday. >> the president's behavior is the kind of grossly autocratic behavior we'd expect in a banana republic. not a mature democracy. >> laura: no, chuck. banana republic is a place that opponents are spied upon, charge and unjustly imprisoned. what trump is attempting to do is expose corruption in the intel and the law enforcement services which congress and the president must exercise their oversight over. in the wake of 9/11, conservatives were willing to trade privacy for security. we're now being photographed by the government. how many times a day? can't even count. our money, and our persons are tracked at home and abroad. well, we the people and our elected officials should

not be endlessly trail and treated like dangers to the state. we shouldn't spied upon for political reasons. the ever expanding surveillance state is a threat to the freedom, and some within the agencies think they are above the law. they are not. this president will not be manipulate and he is insisting on full transparency. a novel concept the deep state better get used to. that is the angle. let's discuss the deep state run amok with the former secret service agent dan bongino. and chief political correspondent byron york. danielle brian, the executive director of the project on government oversight. byron? >> the thing that struck me, you mentioned congressional oversight at the end of that. that is the thing that is going to tell us what happened

and what is striking how difficult it has been for congress to find out what was going on. think about the dossier. we first hear about the dossier, it's fishy. then we find out later it was funded by the clinton campaign. then we find out later the f.b.i. actually wanted to hire the author of the dossier to continue the work during the campaign. then we find out it was used to get a wiretap warrant for carter page. we find out more and more. all the time, every step of the way the f.b.i. and the justice department drag their feet and resist the efforts to find out those things i just mentioned. the same thing is happening now. >> laura: overly redacting documents they are finding out later the names, it was exculpatory for people they were targeting. dan bongino, play for you, james clapper was on tv again tonight with judy woodruff and said this. >> it's what i would call my informed opinion that given the massive effort the russians made and the number of citizens that they touched

and given the fact that it turned on less than 80,000 votes in three states, to me it just exceeds logic and credulity that it didn't affect the election and it's my belief they actually turned it. >> laura: dan, he has been proven to be a liar. and now he is on tv saying that the reason donald trump is elected is because of a corrupt, basically, dictatorship in the former soviet union. >> james clapper should debate barack obama if you remember gave a speech in the rose garden in the transition period where he mocked the idea that the russians could overthrow and overturn an election. he thought it was hysterical. so jim, you should debate the person who appointed you, barack obama. laura, the biggest open question this, what people like jim clapper and john brennan and the f.b.i. director, former director james comey are running from what was the genesis moment of

the campaign? what is point zero? nobody can explain that. i notice you cited anthony mccarthy doing great work. he brought this up in another article he wrote. why are they referencing late spring for the initial meeting with the whole thing was discuss and not a specific date? all the people met for an important meeting about russian collusion in the election? nobody can remember the date? it seems strange, doesn't it? the reason is they viewed the carter page and the george papadopoulos appointment as the trump foreign policy advisers as opportunities to spy, not threats to our republic. >> laura: yeah. byron wrote a great piece on that. "wall street journal" picked up on it today. danielle, dan mentioned president obama. we found an interesting piece of tape from 2013. let's watch. >> and what i can say with confidence is that when it comes to our domestic operations, the concerns

that people have back home in the united states of america, that we do not surveil the american people or persons within the united states. that there are a lot of checks and balances in place designed to avoid a surveillance state. >> laura: danielle? >> well, that is unfortunately not correct. one of the points you were making before is post-9/11 there was a huge overreach, right? we gave -- well, actually, in some cases the intelligence community took a lot of powers that weren't authorized. since then some of them have been pulled back. the freedom act started to pull back some of the bulk surveillance concerns we had. what president obama is saying there is not right. there is a type of fisa surveillance that is still capturing americans. this is part of what we are seeing and what has come up with some of the trump associates. what is so frustrating is there was an opportunity in january when the fisa act was being reauthorized to reform this and create checks and

balances so americans didn't get captured. and it didn't happen. there are still reforms. there are three reforms that still have to take place. >> laura: they still use national security letters that are -- >> absolutely. >> laura: where they avoid the usual type of scrutiny and the check and balances. >> almost no checks and balances in those. in the case of the 702 surveillance, when you have a target who is a foreigner -- it doesn't even have to be a bad guy -- if americans and in this case we have seen the cases where the trump associates speaking to the u.a.e. prince, right? so in theory they are surveilling him but they capture the conversations of americans. but those kind of surveillance have no warrants. there is no checks and balances at all. even if someone -- i think carter page has been talking about if they get caught up in these, even if you are a criminal and you were going through our criminal system, if you were surveilled you have the right to be told about this. >> laura: you don't get any rights here. >> none of that happens. we don't know how many americans have been caught up in this. >> laura: byron, there is an

effort to kind of say look, we should be grateful that these informants were out there. this is dan goldman. watch. >> this president, the head of the executive branch to continue to bash the career professionals who are day in and day out trying to enforce our laws and save our national security is incredibly debilitating, incredibly destructive. the republicans need to stand up and say this is unacceptable anymore. there is no deep state. we need to stop talking about it. >> this is a problem. march 21, 2016, trump goes to the "washington post" editorial board. remember, he had been under a lot of criticism. who are your foreign policy advisers? >> laura: give me a list. >> he gives them a list and on it was papadopoulos and page. shortly after that, james comey and andrew mccabe brief the attorney general loretta lynch about this. later on, they brief what is called the national security council principles

committee, which is everybody. the secretary of state, defense, c.i.a., attorney general, white house chief of staff, u.n. ambassador, everybody. they considered giving what is called a defensive briefing. call somebody high up in the trump campaign and say listen, you have someone -- >> laura: you have a problem here. >> who has unsavory connections with russians and we fear it could be a threat to your campaign. >> laura: they decided not to do it. >> twice. >> laura: why? >> we don't know why they didn't do it. if they were doing all of this to protect the campaign, certainly a defensive briefing would have been the thing to do. >> laura: but dan, here, like we know that susan rice was doing a lot of unmasking. this picked up on samantha powers part, the top official in the obama administration in 2016. we know they wanted the names of jared kushner and others -- by the way he got a security clearance today. all the critics of him, he got his clearance. they try to do it. and that has just gone away. the reason i mention it tonight in the angle,

people forget the unmasking of the names of americans, sitting in her office going i want to know -- why did she have to know that? why would that be in her purview at that moment? we still don't know this. >> and remember, laura, say man that power insists it wasn't -- samantha power insists it wasn't her that insisted on the unmasking. they may have used my name but it wasn't me. there is so much dirt in this you have to dig through the dirt to get to the dirt underneath the dirt. the foreign intelligence surveillance court did an audit of the queries in the n.s.a. database. you can see it. it's out there online and open source now. and found out that there were third party contractors given access in to the n.s.a. database to do queries. and that mike rogers was very concerned about this. and conveniently goes and briefs trump up in trump tower during the transition period to which trump exits trump tower after that, goes up to bedminster and doesn't do meetings afterwards after

in trump tower. >> laura: real quick, the final thought. >> i think what we have to remember is michael horowitz, the d.o.j. inspector general is a serious guy and i'm glad he is looking into this. >> laura: no subpoena power, though. he can't do any prosecution. we'll get a report. what we do with the report, that remains to be seen. great to have all of you on. fantastic panel. meanwhile, the president is lashing out at james comey. there may be stunning evidence to back it up. >> president trump: i did a great service to this country by firing james comey. and excuse me, a lot of people have said it. you go into the f.b.i. and a lot of those great people working in the f.b.i., they will tell you i did a great service to our country by firing james comey. >> laura: well, f.b.i. agents are so disgusted with comey that they are practically congress now to make them testify. up next.

>> laura: president trump and james comey accusing each other of lying over "spygate." that is what trump called reports that the f.b.i. had an informant in the presidential campaign. comey tweeted today attacks on the f.b.i. and lying about work will do lasting damage to our country. trump responded by suggesting that comey should worry about the upcoming i.g. report.

>> if you look at what he did, if you look at all of the laws, the tremendous lies -- if you look at the lies, the tremendous lies, all that is going on, james comey has a lot of problems now. >> laura: among the problems according to the report from the daily caller the rank and file f.b.i. agents want to testify to congress that politics and incompetence at the top are destroying the bureau. let's discuss that with senator ron johnson, chairman of the homeland security committee who recently sent a letter to f.b.i. director christopher wray requesting information on comey's briefing of trump on that infamous russia dossier. great to have you in the studio. >> hello, laura. >> laura: tell us. what is going on here? there are so many different threads it's hard to unpack. try to keep it simple. >> there is a lot of smoke. we're trying to get to the bottom of this. this is like 1,000-piece jigsaw puzzle. miller probably has a few hundred pieces. i.ig horowitz has a few less. he doesn't have the power and he can't bring in witnesses outside the government.

the press has more pieces than the members of congress. >> laura: they're getting a lot of leaks. selective leaks. >> people need to understand what are those leakers trying to accomplish? trying to get ahead before the public has the truth. this entire investigation is backwards. this is a political investigation. i think congress ought to get the information first. write the reports and then if we see the criminal activity refer it to the justice department or a special counsel. the problem is criminal investigations makes it difficult for congress to get any information whatsoever. we have some information. i'm trying to lay it out in timelines. chuck grassley talking about the recent tweet that is getting prominence. on august 5, the white house is running this. combine this with the tweet we got in a lot of trouble for publishing in one of our reports >> laura. put it up so people can see it. a quote from grassley to rosenstein today in a letter and said as one example of

the text from lisa paige and peter strozk they want all the texts. one example an official's name was redacted in reference to a text about the obama white house running an investigation. although it's unclear who this investigation they were referring. going back to my question in the angle, who knew about this? >> we have so many redactions we can't put pieces together. there is a lot of smoke. if you combine that with the tweet we published id just got bashed for in the press a month later. september 2. potus wants -- this is from paige to strong -- page to strozk. potus wants to know everything we are doing. this is after they closed up, exonerated hillary clinton. that is what we will get an i.g. report on. horowitz did an excellent job. mccabe got him, caught him lying and laid out 32 pages exactly why the deputy and the acting director of the f.b.i. lied to the f.b.i. okay? i mean, if anybody ought to

know that is a crime, that is the man who should have done so. it's no longer martyr mccabe. these type of the texts here are unbelievably revealing. >> laura: the question i asked in my opening angle, who basically knew how this was going down? carter paige is the reason you are opening up a big investigation where you end up putting an informant out there? and then you enup surveilling the trump tower and cushion cushion and the guys to get the phone calls listened to? then you have a russian billionaire visited by the f.b.i. in september of 2016. they are trying to get him to agree to -- this is a collusion thing going on. what are you talking about? they were looking for -- c'mon, help us with the collusion stuff. even the russian billionaire who hates paul manafort, the ollie -- oligarch says i can't stand him but this is ridiculous. >> it doesn't take much imagination to look at this and say this is a setup. the white house running

this and potus wants to know everything we're doing. the hats start putting two and two together. we maybe got 25 to 50 pieces out of that 1,000 page -- >> laura: are you good at jigsaw puzzles? are you good at it? >> i get frustrated. right now we are waiting for the i.g. report on the clinton e-mail. hopefully the clinton foundation. that has been our investigation. three years we have been trying to get this information. we'll get that. but we are on the case. i'm writing to christopher wray. what is the process for document production? who is doing the redaction? what is the criteria? what was it? what is it now? we can't even get that information. >> laura: how do you your oversight? it's not supposed to be that it is this taffy pull. i know there is always historic tension among the branches of government. people don't like to show everything. i don't ever remember it

being this bad. i don't. >> what surprised me is we haven't had f.b.i. agents come forward to the committee. they will go to the press -- >> laura: they want to testify on what, senator? >> well, we heard that when comey exonerated clinton that they actually wanted to, they were going to blow a gasket basically. why didn't they come forward? come forward to my committee. we will protect you. >> laura: you should bring the russian billionaire in, get him on video. get the russian lawyer. get veselnitskaya. they didn't talk to her. >> it would nice to have more evidence before doing the interviews but we may do the interviews to get the evidence. >> laura: they will tell you a lot. thank you for coming in. >> thank you. >> laura: imagine how bad things must be at the f.b.i. if agents are practically begging congress to ask them about that. let's discuss that with retired f.b.i. agent jim who served in the f.b.i. for 34 years and a former f.b.i. agent and the book "chasing phil" by david howard. this gets wilder by the moment. your thoughts on the state of things now?

>> highly unusual, laura. the agents wants to come forward to testify. here is what has happened. changes have been made. f.b.i. director wray has fired mccabe. still others have been forced to meaningless jobs like peter strozk and others forced out like lisa page and michael cordon. i talk to retired agents all the time. i run a website for retired agents so agents just leaving i talk to them. they now have the ability they think to not be put aside or hurt if they come forward. so they are willing to come forward. they do want to testify. they are sick what happened. they think that the f.b.i. guidelines have been violated. incredibly violated and they want to talk about it. >> laura: jim, f.b.i. agents, they are not like thrilled about going to testify before congress normally. this is not like they are dying to testify before congress.

how extraordinary it is for them to want to go tell their story about, you know, what they think the agency should be and what happened to the agency. for the agency to be turned into a political pawn, this calls the whole thing into question. i know people who used to work with me, work at the f.b.i. these are the greatest people. they must be infuriated. they have to be. >> they are annoy and mad. i had an agent tell me when he goes into a group of folks he doesn't readily mention he is a retired f.b.i. agent anymore just because of this incredible outrageous controversy. >> laura: you knew the informant.

tell me about him. >> stephen helper. they forgot history. he was in 1980, he was doing spying for the reagan administration and getting documents from the d.n.c. on foreign policy and he was handing over them to the bureau as an informant. now 30 years later it's happening again. >> laura: long career. >> exactly! here is the other thing, laura. you need to know the guidelines say if you are going to use an informant to infiltrate a political organization, you need a clear criminal predicate. national security is not a criminal predicate. >> laura: bingo. that is the critical question. we have to have you back. especially with senator

johnson here. it seems like a lot is a joke today about what is happening on social media. you will not believe the next story we'll tell you what facebook wants from you now. stay there.

>> laura: time now for the seen and the unseen segment where we expose what is behind the big cultural stories of the day. why facebook wants you to send them your nude photos. i can't believe we're doing this segment. here to explain this is the "new york times" best selling author of the children series and the fox news contributor. raymond, what is the story? facebook wants your nude photos? >> they want your nude photos. preemptively. >> laura: why do people have nude photos? >> that is a bigger question. they want to fight revenge porn where people in relationships post nude pictures of the partner when the relationship ends. >> laura: who are these people? >> i bet we could name a few but we won't. they want you to submit

your photos, the most secretive photos you have to facebook. they then encrypt them, they take what they call a fingerprint of the picture so not the picture themselves. they say they don't store it. it will be off the server in a few days and they will block that image ever posted on facebook. here is the problem, laura. who is looking at these images? how long are they on the server? the bigger question facebook had a 50 million person breach last year they admitted to. in march. they admitted to this. how sure are we they can protect the images and that the employers are not catchpying them -- copying them? >> laura: what if other people have other nude photos. this whole thing is -- forget "seen and unseen." we'll call this the end of the civilization segment. tommy, make a new graphic. tommy is like i don't make graphics. >> we should move on. >> laura: a new york man who is 30 years old. >> my gosh.

>> laura: sued his parents or sued by his parents. we call these people boomerang bats. you throw them out to the world and then they come back and stay at home. >> a 30-year-old who says look, i'm trying to be a father. he has a child of his own. i'm trying to be a father and i need to live with mom and dad. they gave him five notices to get out. five eviction notices. they deprived him of food. >> is that him? >> he sat with another network and said this. >> laura: do we have the audio? >> why couldn't you guys resolve this without the court? >> i would consider much of what they were doing to try to get me out as attacks. >> a third of millennials are at home with the parents. >> laura: attacks? how about get a haircut? it looks like cousin it. that was scary. >> here is the scary thing. a third of the millennials are at home. >> laura: look at him. >> this has gone up from

25% to 34%. >> laura: he is stroking his hair. he doesn't have money for haircut. >> tough times. >> laura: if your kid is threatening to come home after he went to college or something turn the room to a home gym with no couches or anything like that. >> then the judge ordered them -- the judge ruled that the kid has to vacate, the man has to vacate. and they are calling for an investigation by adult protective services. i hope that is for the parent and not for the son. now the big story of the night. >> laura: stormy daniels is getting a key to what? >> no, today she got the key to the city of west hollywood. this is the mayor john duran. listen. >> as you know, lady godiva rode naked through streets of england to protest injustice in taxes and we have our own lady godiva in the city of west hollywood. she held her head up with dignity and she fought back. when she foughts back and

mr. avenatti fights back, they are fighting back for all of us to get the country back into our hands. >> laura: did he use the word "dignity"? do you spend a lot of time in west hollywood? >> they have asked for impeachment for trump. >> laura: impeach the mayor. >> nothing says you are honored like getting the key to the city in front of a sex shop owned by a drag queen porn director. this is the level of honor bestowed on stormy daniels stand great star re -- and the great star reacted this way. >> i'm not sure what the key opens, i'm hoping it's the wine cellar. this community has a history of standing up to bullies and speaking truth to power. i'm so very, very lucky to be part of it. >> you know, they said she was a profile in courage. she is a profile in cleavage. i hope the key opens the door to talbots so we have full coverage. >> laura: i threw my blue

card in the air. >> we didn't talk about the nfl policy. no kneeling, $20,000 penalty if a player does it for the club. this is going to change things. >> laura: they are losing money. they had to do something. thank you. great as always. up next, president trump determined to rid the country of the blood thirsty and the barbaric ms-13. we will show you how he will bring the fight to their turf.

>> laura: president trump held a round table discussion

in long island, new york, today on defeating the savage ms-13 gang. law enforcement, elected officials as well as gang victims were in attendance. trump has vowed to destroy the elsalvadoran gang whose control whose motto is "rape, control and kill." >> president trump: democrats, nancy pelosi, for example, are trying to defend ms-13 gang members. i called them "animals" the other day and i was met with rebuke. they said they're people. they're not people. these are animals. we have to be very, very tough. >> laura: now long island is where ms-13 gang members beat and stabbed to death 16-year-old kayla cuevas in 2016. >> my daughter kayla was a beautiful girl. she had dreams.

and they took that away from her. you said the other day that the individuals were animals. you are correct. they are animals in how they kill, how they get these kids and they torture them. >> laura: joining us now from colorado springs conservative review senior editor michelle malkin and san francisco, clara long researcher for human rights watch. clara, start with you. you take extreme issue with president trump referring to ms-13 as "animals." why? >> laura, thank you for having me. it's not okay to call anyone an animal. we see that kind of rhetoric showing up in human rights abuses around the world and in history. the nazis called jews rats. rwandas hutu called tutsis "cockroaches" and listening to the clip of the mother who lost her daughter. i want to explicitly state we

should stay focused here on the pain of those victims. >> laura: e called them animals. she is a mother who lost her 16-year-old daughter. i'm an animal person so i agree that it's an insult to animals. but i don't get how human rights -- michelle, you can chime in here -- this is where the left i think, they take it a step too far. most americans watching the decapitations, the brutal torture. michelle, you have written about this for years and years and years. they have no problem calling this what it is. it's evil and animalistic but this is a pure moment of evil to see what the people do. >> it is. evil does something in that it exposes people for their hypocrisy and the double standards and for their deflection. human rights watch does a lot of good work. a lot of the good work concerns calling out and blowing the whistle on and combating sex trafficking.

ms-13 for anyone who is inform and anyone reporting on this as i have when i started my career in los angeles and watch ms-13 metastasize across the country because of the radical open borders ideology knows that the monsters in the ms-13, i will call them "monsters." that is what they are. if you're an annual rights person and -- animal rights person and don't want to call them that. the way they subjugate girls who are exploited by the illegal gang that has gone from violent crime to lucrative enterprise, criminal enterprise of child sex prostitution rings across the country. the ground zero of that was in long island and was in montgomery county, maryland where i used to live. they have taken over the malls, and they use the homeless shelters and middle schools and high schools to subjugate the women. where is human rights watch

to unequivocally condemn the men, the monsters who are doing this to girls and women in our country? >> laura: clara, your reaction? michelle is right, you do great work but i mean on this one you should be praising what donald trump is doing here. you don't seem to be. >> you know, we certainly -- we all agree that the united states has a responsibility that localities have a responsibility to protect women, girls, people. that no one can condone horrific violence being committed by gangs. of course. but the problem here is that the president is playing a game of bait and switch. he is proposing a solution to a real problem of ms-13 and of gang violence that involves cracking down on the asylum system. the asylum system, a system designed to protect the victims of gangs. often noncitizens fleeing from other countries but nonetheless, the gang, michelle. that is what clara is saying.

>> so let me dispel the open borders ideology and the fog that clouds so much of this discussion and this debate. on the left and on the open borders right. ms-13 is what happens when a government and a country allow open borders ideology to metastasize. all of us agree, say human rights watch, on the left and "wall street journal" open borders editorial board on the right, all of us agree we shouldn't allow bad people to come in to the country. and then when you have a president who actually says nope, i'm not going to let them come in the country, i'm going to deport them when they finish up jail terms for doing things like subjugating women, raping people, using machetes to chop off hands and heads and gang rapes and all of these brutal heinous things that human rights watch condemns in every other country except when it happens in ours. >> laura: clara, final thought. >> i would take issue,

michelle, with the characterization of the origin of ms-13. it was a gang developed in the united states. and then grew through hard, immigration policies that deported people who had grown up here, who had lived here and who had no other option. >> 1986 reagan amnesty. stop repeating the mistakes of the past. >> laura: this is -- i mean, i know it's not a democrat/republican thing here, i guess. but i imagine you don't like trump for a whole bunch of reasons. i'm just guessing. i'm glad you came on the show. you not or not like trump, that is fine. but what he is doing to get rid of these people from this country who as michelle said are doing the most heinous things to communities, including all the legal immigrants that you want more of, they are destroying communities. >> but laura, you cited this "wall street journal" article that says that -- >> laura: open borders.

"wall street journal." >> but the way, the policy that the president is doing are making it harder to address the problem of gang violence in our communities because it's making people fearful of collaborating with the police. we have seen stories like that on long island. >> laura: this is the argument. we need more immigration because otherwise we won't have have cooperation with law enforcement. for illegal immigration and if we don't have a flooding of people in the country we will never find the guy who robs a bank. >> no, no, no. disconnect -- >> laura: no one is buying the argument. god bless you. no one is buying the article. because the "wall street journal" has an opinion piece. the next minute you are trashing the "wall street journal" for what they say about the tax policy. god bless you. great conversation. you know even when trump by the way gives the left exactly what they want, you know, they fight him tooth and nail. you see this. up next, the anti-trump hypocrisy from the democratic politicians that may actually upset their own voters.

>> president trump: prison reform is an issue that unites people from across the political spectrum. an amazing thing. our whole nation benefits. if former inmates are able to re-enter society as productive law-abiding citizens. >> laura: president trump is seeking common ground on an issue long championed by the left but many democrats

objected to a prison reform bill the house just passed. here to tell us why is congressman doug colins from georgia who con sponsored the first step -- co-sponsored the first step act. thank you for being here late. you do something with hakeem jeffries, isn't he pushing impeachment of trump? i can't remember. it all confuses me. that is something people want more of, bipartisan work. and yet the democrats are kind of all torn up about this. except hakeem and others. >> i think what you find here when you get a president who is willing to work on issues and who is concerned about the working class and concerned about everybody in america, putting us first. you reach out and my partner on this, we understand that you can actually make a difference in people's lives. isn't that what we are supposed to be about? making difference in people's lives and giving hope to those in cells now. these things. when you vote against the bill, if you're a democrat and you voted against the bill you voted to keep the ladies shackled giving birth in prison.

you voted to not let, or those who need help when they come back out, over 90% of the folks come back out of prison, we want to make sure we are doing a good job spending federal dollars to make sure we put those away that need to be locked away like ms-13. they need to be locked away forever or put away. we need to take those coming back out to society to give them tools like the president said to be productive citizens when they come back out. >> laura: second chance at redemption is a powerful narrative in the literature and the country's history. give money to new funding for prison reentry programs and we spend money on recidivism so you save money if it works but it is dividing the democratic party. kamala harris against it, cory booker against it. they are running for president and they want to shore up the left wing even though the left was for this. van jones said this on cnn today. let's watch. >> if you hold out for everything, sometimes you get nothing. now the obama

administration, we held out for everything and we wound up with nothing. i think at the end of the day, what we are going to learn about this country is that where we disagree, we are supposed to fight and fight hard. but don't forget where we agree we are supposed to work together and work together hard, especially for people who don't have a voice. >> laura: well, he was supporting, at the event, supporting the prison reform bill. he is being trashed. a tweet today, oliver willis on van jones. van provides window dressing so racist administration can point to their black friend without really doing anything. >> it's amazing. what has become of many of these attacks on this and attacks on van like that, tallrance is agree with me. what we have become is when we actually express views like you said, you fight for things you believe in. you find areas of agreement. when you have a group right now the left saying we want more and we want more, they have saying we don't want to do anything. we like the issue. we like the fact we'll be on this issue and not help anybody. >> laura: they are worried

about the black vote turning even 5% more for the republicans. giving them a chance. maybe listening to them. they don't want that. congressman, i'm glad you are doing what you are doing. keep doing more of it. this is your third term in congress. you want to be here much longer? >> as long as we are doing stuff like this and working with the president we'll continue to work. >> laura: fantastic. thank you so much. the media has been trying to convince us that schools are the most dangerous place in america for kids. a new report up next that may surprise you. maybe you could trust you won't have to actually talk to your neighbor. are you watching the game tonight? maybe you could trust that lady in the robe isn't home. is it locked? maybe you could trust the super has a spare key. or... ...you could just trust duracell. ♪

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>> we want to show you where headline that may cause you to do a double take. even the new york times says school is the safest place in the country for children. you might have gotten the opposite impression from school shooting coverage for the times acknowledged federal data show between 1992 and 2015 few written 3% of children, sides occurred in school. now and then the old gray beatty finds news fit to print. that is all we have to night. now it is time to hand it off to shannon breen. shannon: we begin with this fox news alert. new guidance from the department of justice on high-level intel briefings tomorrow, details coming in minutes ago.

it and re-on bipartisan meetings, one of them, he got off the phone with an outraged devon nunez. peter king sat next to the pres. during the ms 13 roundtable. he will way and on what he heard. the left claims the pres.'s fear mongering. the justice department is number 2, what did he get himself into by announcing the inspector general will