oh, wait, hold on. earn 3% cash back on dining, 2% on groceries, and 1% on all other purchases. what's in your wallet? c ♪ >> tucker: good evening, welcome to tucker carlson tonight. we're coming to you thisve thursday unfortunately from a very sick city, a place where c many of the people in charge aren't just wrong butci increasingly are irrational. washington is in the grip of unprecedented mass hysteria over russia. yes, russia. take three steps back. it's a freezing, poor country on the other side of the globe where the average life expectancy is lower than that in bangladesh. russia's economy is small smaller than the economy of texas. it's a country that could barely produce a working escalator or non-poisoning vodka. that country regarded by sober people as sad as increasingly

relevant is, according to democrats in washington, in virtually complete control of the working of the u.s. government. they tell us that every day and they're starting to seem like they believe it. that's demented. most striking example comes from former director of national intelligence jim clapper. in an interview yesterday, j clapper claimed that russia flipped to the results of the 2016 election, got trump elected over hillary. as for evidence of that, clapper admitted he didn't have any because, of course, he doesn't have any! no one else has any either! there is no evidence that any foreign country changed a single american vote in 2016. by the way, that was clapper's position just two years ago whet it was the position of the obama administration that vote tampering by a foreign power was completely irresponsible and impossible to contemplate. now that trump is in office, of course, clapper and other democrats are warning that russia will try to subvert this year's midterm as well. they have no evidence of that either. now, keep in mind that jim clapper is not some fringe radio show host or back bencher in congress.

for years, he held one of the top intelligence posts in the country, yet he's delusional. that's terrifying. and he's not the only delusional one. the cia operatives spying on the trump campaign sounds like he's unbalanced. report today from the daily caller finds that that man once falsely accused a russiands academic at cambridge university of being a russian infiltrator.t this afternoon, congressional leaders received a classified briefing from doj and intel officials about actual spying that took place in 2016, not spying from spooky russian agents sent from the kremlin but from the obama f.b.i. that might put some of this in perspective. tom fitton is the president of judicial watch. mollie hemingway is a measure of "the federalist" ." thank you for joining us now. hate to start with a media question but it determines how

people understand this story, what they read and see on television. there's still news outlets as of tonight that are pretending like there was no spying on the trump campaign. can you just say definitively, do we know as a factual matter that the obama f.b.i. spied on the trump campaign, or don't we? >> everyone knows there was a spy and in fact people who were involved in the spying are admitting there was a spy. they're saying, though, because the government term is "human intelligence informant" orau something like that that therefore it's not a spy whereas normal americans understand when you're gathering information ons someone surreptitiously, that's the common definition of spying. more than that, that's just a stunning revelation this is happening under the previous administration that there wouldr be this kind of surveillance, not just at least one human intelligence informant, but also wire taps, national security letters which is how could you secretly get a subpoena and who knows what else is going on? actually like widespread spying involving multiple people in the trump campaign and we still don't really know what's going on because they're trying to fight >> tucker: that's the point. i should point out in the interest of honesty these are agencies controlled by the trump white house. it's not clear to me at all why we don't know this and why the committees in congress who have

oversight over all this don't know. there was a meeting today famously about this, tom. do you think members of congress get charged with oversight of this stuff know the answer as of tonight?th >> they're being strung along. this meeting was for show. we want to see the documents. >> tucker: why would they be strung along?w. >> these agencies have contempt for congressional oversight. you have this extraordinary situation of a republican controlled justice department and f.b.i. attacking and undermining the congressional oversight activities of a republican controlled house and senate, and they didn't want to turn over the documents, so they said we'll have a a meeting. we'll talk about the secret spy game we had, but it won't be public. we won't tell you what we have in terms of turning over documents, which is still the big fight. judicial watch specializes in the freedom of information act, because we recognize the government documents really tell what you went on, and government official descriptions of whatt

went on, as we're learning from the obama gang that is describing this spy as an informant and in a dishonestha way, we need to see the documents. we need to know how much money was this person paid? was money transferred as a result of his involvement with the trump campaign? who else was he working with?? were there others? >> tucker: there's a time limit here. sand is passing through the hour glass here. if democrats take the house and take majority control of these committees, then how will we find out? they have no interest in gettino this information to the public. >> that's why it'll be nice if both sides of the aisle would understand that spying is not good for having americans have confidence in the f.b.i. >> tucker: have you heard liberals say f that? >> there's been a few, exceedingly few. mark penn is one that's been making that argument. in addition to the issue they are accountable to no one, i think it must mean the

information is really damaging, really dangerous, but they're willing to subvert any authority in order to keep that a secret. so this is something i think they think they can keep this from getting out. i don't think they will actually do that. >> tucker: the pretext they used to hide this information from public view are dishonest. tonight, a reporter in w washington has a piece explaining that one of the many facts redacted by the f.b.i. in documents obtained through foia reveals andy mccabe spent $70,000 on a piece of office furniture. they held that back onof grounds of national security. does that imperil us, tom, as a country now that our enemies know that andy mccabe spent $70,000 on a piece of office furniture? >> of course it doesn't. it shows you the fbi and the department of justice can't be trusted to evaluate fairly whether documents should be released or not. and the president, who constitutionally runs the agencies, needs intervene and stop himself from being strung along by his appointees and tell them to release these records.

review them quickly. >> tucker: never listen to your lawyers. if there's one piece of advice i have for my children it's don't listen to your lawyers because they don't have the truth at heart.aw >> take their advice into account and get the information out. >> tucker: just do the right thing, i would say. thank you both, very much. greet see you.u. richard goodstein is anar attorney, by the way. we're going to listen to him. he was part of hillary clinton's presidential campaign. he joins us tonight. richard, thank you very much for coming on. democrats are telling us not only did russia definitively alter the outcome of the 2016 campaign but they're predicting that russia will affect the outcome of the next election. why should we be taking steps right now to protect ourselves? why shouldn't we do a forensic search of all voter rolls to make sure no foreign citizens are registered to vote? russian agents, for example, that only american citizens can vote? why wouldn't we do that if we take this seriously?

>> it's not just clapper that is saying the russians are trying to meddle in the elections, it's mike pompeo, dan coates, director of national security, mike rodgers. >> tucker: you're missing it!re i'm pretending to believe it. >> they're republicans. >> tucker: i don't care about people's party i.d. there are many republicans i wouldn't trust for anything. >> that's up to you. >> tucker: let's pretend it's true. the main espionage threat is w from russia, if we really believe that, why don't we make sure only americans are determining the outcome of the election? >> i think we should make sure the voter integrity is as upheld as possible. >> tucker: democrats would freak out and call it racist? >> here is what you said about mr. clapper i think is not funny. your advertisers on fox news spend billions of dollars a year to move people's opinions about things, right? if they didn't think that was effective, they wouldn't spend it.he what clapper is saying is that the russians reached through

facebook 126 million people. 135 million people voted, okay? the point is, they were trying to move opinions. if you think that doesn't work, then -- >> tucker: hold on, what he actually said was i have no evidence that what i just said was true. he just said that on television. >> no, he didn't. >> tucker: actually, he did say that. >> what he said was we weren't charged with assessing what exactly happened. >> tucker: i just watched the tape, whatever. here's the point. i'm not contesting the coreat claim, though i believe it to be untrue. i'm just asking you in the most sincere way possible, if we believe that the russians are going to do this again and they really are a threat then why aren't we doing something about it? why are we allowing electronic voting? the democrats like loose voting rules because they benefit from voter fraud. >> that's a perversion of the fact that -- >> tucker: why aren't they doing something about it? >> people inclined to vote democrat, blacks, hispanics, so, forth, are the ones who

ultimately are i think held to a standard that's going to be very hard for them to meet in terms of ids and so forth, driver's licenses. statistically, the people in lower socioeconomic status don't have a driver's license. you have to go 150 miles away to get that i.d. >> tucker: that's a patronizing thing to say about a large group of people. >> it's statistically true. >> tucker: it's not statistically true. i dug into the stats. it's a lie. let me get to what we can do in the future. why wouldn't we say paper ballots only? why wouldn't we say why not go through every voter roll in america and make sure only american citizens and not spooky foreign agents are allowed to vote? >> we should make sure only americans are voting, as we should make sure only americans are trying to influence campaigns, not russians, not all these people that don trump jr. met with. that's against the law. >> tucker: what's hilarious isr. we both live in this city that thrives on foreign influence and

we know 25 people who have gotten rich in our city from foreign governments, not russia. let's stop lying about that. this city is totally influenced by foreign governments, just not russia. >> it's against the law to try to influence the campaign, right? so these people who are foreign agents trying to influence what department or another >> tucker: so you would be in favor of examining every voter roll in every state to make certain every person on those rolls is currently an american citizen? would you be in favor of that?t? >> i'd like to see the same effort put into registering people who have been kept from registering. >> tucker: no one is being kept from registering. that's a lie! >> it's demonstratively true. >> tucker: i want to get you on the record here, you would bed for, in the name of protecting this country and the integrity of its elections from foreigne influence, making sure only american citizens are on the voter rolls, period? >> i think only americans should vote.>> >> tucker: american citizens. vote.

>> american citizens should vote. that's what i consider an american.f >> tucker: take everyone else off the rolls or not? >> of course. nonamerican citizens shouldn't be voting in our election.tr not what donald trump said about the millions, right? that's a lie!ul and he should take that back. that's dishonest to the american voter. >> tucker: democrats can't even concede we're allowed to ask on the census form whether you're a citizen or not.de on the census! >> because that affects other things having to do what money might go to a particular state or country. >> tucker: there are municipalities here in the d.c. area in maryland that allow noncitizens vote. you must be against that. that would be a prime way for russians to influence our election. >> only american citizens should vote in federal elections. >> tucker: what about state elections? russians can't influence the state elections too?n you could have vladimir putin come to silver springs, maryland and cast a vote. >> you think it's a laughing matter the russians did what they did.ou >> tucker: i don't think it's a laughing matter.r. >> most americans don't think it's funny that the russians meddled and favored trump --

>> tucker: what i find is hilarious is when democrats care they pretend to care about the integrity of elections. all they care about is power, you know that, and whether their candidates win. that's the sum total of what they care about. to pretend you care about integrity is ludicrous, that's not the truth. >> we would've had impeachment hearings. >> tucker: russia has a lower average life inspected sea than bangladesh is secretly in control of our country. [laughter] >> it's not secretly. >> tucker: richard, it was great to see you. thank you. s >> tucker: north korea has responded to president trump's cancellation of a planned summii and astonishingly, their message is not angry. s north korea's foreign minister says his government is still willing to sit down with the united states, "at any time, at any format." and is "willing to give the united states time and opportunities to reconsider today's cancellation." not quite sure what that means,

but we'll continue to follow this story because it's amazingn well, the russia hoax is backfiring. democrats are now trying to do another tack going into the midterm elections. this is attacking the president over rising gas prices. wait, haven't the democrats beei demanding higher gas prices for more than a decade? huh. mark steyn may remember that. he joins us after the break.

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assume they can ride the russia scandal to the polls. now they're going after the administration's economic record. unemployment is pretty low. the stock market is pretty high. instead, the attack is on gas prices, which are going up, ando that is bad for the middle class, something to be worried about. the problem, of course, is the democratic party has spent years vowing to increase gas prices if elected in the name of stopping global warming. the 2016 platform literallyy demanded a higher tax. mark steyn is an author and columnist. he was alive in 2016 paying attention. he may remember that plank in the platform. what does he make of it now? hey, mark! >> hi, tucker. it's kind of a port in the storm. the blue wave is petering out as it comes toward shore. you said the russia hoax. i mean, you have to think in the

world right now if all of theha people who told us that trump had no chance to win in 2016, if somehow the blue wave doesn't happen and the republicans win the midterms, there's a huge opportunity for a sinister foreign power out there that they could get the democrats to blame them for stealing the election so we can have a slovenia investigation or a tajikistan investigation or a solomon islands investigation. if you're the solomon islands ambassador, now would be a really good time to book a lunch with, say, mitch mcconnell soo it'll look suspicious on the wednesday morning after in november. and i don't want to give any ideas to the dnc or the f.b.i.,n but if the f.b.i. has any spare cambridge professors lying around that it would like to, you know, say to minor trump officials, you know, maybe a staffer to mitch mcconnell, oh, you know slovenia has the dnc e-mails.

you've got to figure this is the time to move onto the next plot now that russia hasn't worked out. >> tucker: you're laughing about this, but the next independent counsel or four independent counsels for now will pull this tape and using it as evidence in your trial. >> that's right.n what did i know and when did i know it? but i mean, i mean, one other thing -- i mean, just to be serious here for a moment, because i don't really take this thing that seriously.hi i think the democrats actually have a problem with a lack of message, and to profess now to be concerned about gas prices after they've derided the trump tax cuts as crumbs and all the rest of it, i mean actually the solution is not to replace the russia investigation with gas prices. the solution is to figure out that trump connected with millions and millions of people

who switched on the tv and found neither the republican norhe democrat establishments and the least bit concerned about them. that's the difference. >> tucker: of middle-class life expectancy as of yesterday was down for the third year in a row. they don't care. that's the problem. i got to ask you about harvey weinstein. because i can't control myself. he is set to turn himself into authorities in new york on sex crime charges. the story, this is, do you want it to put a bow on it? >> you're right about the hillary connection. they actually had lunch to discuss after her defeat harvey weinstein making the documentary about hillary's defeat. that's how tied in they are. i think this is quite important, though, because the me too movement, there's an element of moral panic to it.

there's no doubt about this guy. he's been credibly accused of rape by actressesd in the united states, canada, the united kingdom, france, new zealand, all over the planet, and this tells us something about the way wealthy and powerful men use things like confidentiality agreements to silence people and get away with their crimes for decades on end. that's the lesson here. don't live in silence. don't live in fear. and frankly, things like confidentiality agreements i think should have a far more circumscribed place inin americn life. >> tucker: there's also --ed i agree with everything that you said, but there's also als sublesson here which is if you're wondering what people arn up to, look at the behavior that they denounce in public. it's probably the very same thing. harvey weinstein was this great champion of women, as was schneiderman. the one thing i'm not in favor of is hurting women. they were doing the exact same thing. i don't think that's an accident. >> i think that's a liberal

thing, by the way. you profess to care about people in general, so you care aboutib third-world people in general or gays in general or muslims in general, and you take that as a license to trash and abuse people in particular.ce and that's what ties harvey weinstein, schneiderman and a lot of these mostly democrat, s mostly liberal figures together. they said all the right things in public, and then they've got the, you know, the door lock t button under the desk in private and they've got the standard nondisclosure agreement stacked in triplicate under the desk. that's what they all have in common. they love humanity in general and abuse humans in particular. >> tucker: if reading and writing still exists once this revolution is over, i'll be really excited to read the history of this period. s

i hope you write it. mark steyn, thank you. >> tucker: democratic party and open warfare against ice when congressmen attacked the agency for doing their job. very amusing tape. we wouldn't let the night passen without showing it to you so we will next. liberty mutual stood with me when this guy got a flat tire in the middle of the night, so he got home safe. yeah, my dad says our insurance doesn't have that.

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democratic congresswoman nanette barragan of california decided she couldn't waste the opportunity and berated him for the crime of doing what he is paid to do. watch this. >> we love to talk about this issue about the ms-13 gangs. we love to paint immigrants as criminals. that is not the complete facts and that is very offensivee for me to see continuing to happen. it's continuing to message this, this anti-immigrant agenda. >> first of all, no one on this panel is anti-immigrant. we're law enforcement officers enforcing a law that you all elected. to say we're anti-immigrants is wrong. >> tucker: we invited that nanjing is member of congress on the show and explained her reasoning. she declined. we're joined by new york attorney and illegal immigrant cesar vargas. thank you for coming on. >> tucker, thank you for having

me again. >> tucker: this is the mostng amusing thing i've ever seen. here is, i guess a member of congress, going head to head with the director of ice andto claiming that it is wrong for him to do what he's paid to do. what does she think ice does? >> well, any law enforcement agency, their job is to keep us safe, correct? their job is to ensure the community trusts law enforcement to ensure everyone is safe. >> tucker: no, it's to enforce the laws. >> why do we enforce the laws? to keep us safe. ice is tripling the amount of people arrested without people arrested with violent criminal records.mo the congressman is right on that point. not only is ice going after the rapists and the murderers,s, they're going after grandmas. >> tucker: hold on. you're the attorney. i've got a question for you. the law says ice could only arrest people with certain kinds of criminal records or commit certain kinds of crimes? is that what the federal law says? >> federal law says immigrant and custom enforcement others

and custom enforcement has to detain people who violate laws like murder or like anything like that, but they also the law also says that ice, any law enforcement agency has the discretion to pursue the most violent criminals. ice is going after the grannies instead of the murderers. ice is going after the day laborers instead of the rapists. ice isn't doing their job when they're just focusing on everyone -- >> tucker: no. no.. so you're, for example, hold onr you're here illegally, correct? >> no. no. i had daca. now i'm in the process of changing my immigration status, so, no.. i'm an attorney. you're not. your viewers are not. >> tucker: you may be an attorney but you're misstating a fact, which is that people who are here illegally are by definition violating federal law. and so ice absolutely has a right, in fact its charter is to enforce federal law. it has a right to detain them and the united states government

and its citizens have a right to deport them. whether they choose to or not, that's another question.it but you can't attack someone for enforcing the law as written. by the way, it's written by the congress in which that member of congress sits. so i don't know if they taught you this part in law school, but what she said is insane. >> no, i think it was very clearly -- listen, ice has a job to do.o no question about it. the congress has their job to do. and you're right, they haven't got their job done in years. they haven't passed immigration reform. they haven't passedse proper education -- >> tucker: that's not what i'm saying. >> i think it comes to the point of where we are at this moment. we need to keep this nation safe and ice should go after people k who violently threaten -- >> tucker: i don't know why i'm taking a lecture on ice lawste from someone who broke our laws to come here, but hold on, if you think that's true, then you're obviously not bothered by the president's emphasis on rounding up known members of a murderous street gang. but i bet you are bothered by that, right?g, are you one of the animal rights

activists who has wept when they used the word animal to cry ms -- describe ms-13? >> i think we should keep our law enforcement safe. law enforcement has a job to do whether it's lapd or ice. they have a job to do. the president is confusing two things, like many things. ms-133 is a product of the u.s. we created ms-13. >> tucker: this is the one thing that does irritate me. i want to cut this short because i don't want to w get mad at yo. blaming the united states for fentanyl o.d.s, for ms-13, the waves of people coming into this country illegally, and your description, it'sou always our fault. we deserve this. >> it's a fact! we created in the 1980s -- >> tucker: i don't have any patience for this, so i'm not going to let you continue because you don't know what you're talking about and i don't

want to mislead my viewers. let me ask you really quickly, if you think thete job of ice is to protect american citizens and they ought to go afterer violent criminals, then why wouldn't you be encouraging them to round up every ms-13 member in this country illegally and deport them tomorrow? but i bet you're not for them. i bet you're defending ms-13 like everybody else on your side, right. >> i think if ms-13 or any gangmember violently commits a crime, kills someone, they should spend the rest of their life in prison. >> tucker: if you know someone is a member -- if you believe someone is a member of ms-13 and here illegally, you don't think that's enough to deport him? >> well, why are we going to -- >> tucker: oh! oh, okay. >> why will we exacerbate the problem? >> tucker: it's america's fault. we created. what do you mean we? they are not even citizens. thank you. i appreciate it.

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total. best of five wins. are you ready? >> i'm ready. let's do it. >> tucker: question one, the "wall street journal" reports this week amazon the company may now terminate your account if you do what too often? holy smokes! >> she's on fire. >> too many refunds. you return too many items. send them back. >> tucker:ds really? >> uh-huh. >> tucker: roll tape. >> some amazon customers say they were banned from the site for making too many returns. whoa, i know some people in that category. >> according to "wall street journal," dozens of users have>> had their accounts canceled without warning and aren't allow to open a new one. >> i covered this story for fox business news. >> tucker: the decisiveness of that slap was impressive. >> it was strong. >> tucker: let's see if you can keep it up on round two. making me nervous. question two. i there was a hairy situation this week in san antonio international airport. a wild animal got loose and ran around that facility. what kind of animal was it? griff jenkins?

>> let me think.y i got to get my ape species. it was a baboon. >> tucker: a baboon. wow, that's specific. i thought you were going to say lemur. was it a baboon? t roll the tape. >> there was just one monkey wandering around the airport cargo hold. the rhesus macaque was confined to the area away from passengers. it took dozens of animal workers an hour to capture the elusive guy. >> tucker: this is -- i don't know what they're called. we have a whole panel of judges. did they just ding you? >> they dinged me. they dinged me. come on, arm. come on, arm. this is tough. this is tough. >> tucker: our judges did just say due to technical difficulties, your total is not reflected on the screen but it's one to negative one. >> i have a long way to go. this may be it. >> tucker: we're the final call here. question three, one of the most talked about moments at the royal wedding was a performancee

by the kingdom choir. ofy sang a gospel version which 1960s classic song? >> i heard it. i watched it! >> "stand by me." >> tucker: "stand by me." is that correct? >> ♪ stand by me ♪ stand by me ♪ stand by me >> that was the first time that they had "stand by me." >> tucker: i didn't see the wedding, but that was nice. 0-1. you're coming back. this is multiple choice. new york city mayoryo bill de blasio is backing a proposed bill this week that would ban which plastic product from all city restaurants? is it a, bottles? b, utensils? c, straws? griff jenkins?s? >> i'm guessing here, straws.

>> tucker: straws. is it straws? >> advocates say too many straws end up in landfills and the oceans.. one of the proposed bill restaurants and fast food chains would be barred from giving straws out. >> tucker: i don't know how we found ourselves in the final round in sudden death tied 1-1. i told you, kristina. sort of the laid back politeness and physical incapacitation. final question, ready? during a yale commencementst speech on sunday, hillary clinton, former secretary ofng state, tried her hand at prop comedy by putting on what kind of hat? griff jenkins? >> a russian hat. >> tucker: a russian hat? >> a russian hat. >> tucker: kind of warm for that, isn't it? does the tape back up griff jenkins? >> a russian hat. >> it would have been a great joke if she didn't say anything and just put it on her head! >> i love the way that hillary is now doing visual comedy.

i think vladimir putin should make cheap comments on that. >> tucker: just one of those valuable lessons about working here at fox, kristina, i know that you will be here a long time now that you know it. never compete with griff. >> in the end, she'll be reporting from washington here. >> tucker: i love that. great. welcome. great to meet you. s griff, here is erik wemple mug, >> do you have many? want to give this one to me? >> tucker: he's got many. >> i've got a collection of them. me and the sling, i'm collecting them all. >> tucker: that's it for this week. follow the news each and every week in seaview can beat our experts here on fox. we are back next thursday, memorial day. will be airing the ultimate "final exam" featuring the best moments from them o best year of this segment, and it's good. we'll be right? back.

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not the conservative guy, travis allen. what about this john cox? talks a big game... but what's he done? a chicago lawyer? huh? thirteen losing campaigns - seven in illinois? cox lost campaigns as a republican... and as a democrat. gave money to liberals. supported big tax increases. no wonder republicans say cox is unelectable in november.

>> tucker: well, if you look carefully, you'll see subtle signs of decay throughout our society. >> tucker: well, if you lookst carefully, you'll see subtle signs of decay throughout our society. starbucks, one example, recently announced going forward its seats and bathrooms will be opened to nonpaying customers. that's bad news if you want toed bring your kids there. pretty good news if you're a vagrant. meanwhile in new york, a couple had to evict their 30-year-old son from their basement because he refused to move out. many defended his decision to live there forever. mike rowe is the host of the tbn show "somebody's got to do it." latest season of that will debut soon. he spoke to us about these stories and how they may be connected. here it is. joining us tonight is mike rowe. good to see you, mike. >> tucker, thank you. how are you? >> tucker: can't be better. but bewildered. starbucks announcing you no longer have to buy anything to lounge around its stores or usec the bathroom.

meanwhile, 30-year-olds are suing to stay in their parents' basements. are these stories connected? do they tell us something bigger about where the country is going? >> dogs and cats living together. mass hysteria. >> tucker: exactly. >> look, personally, i'm in the midst right now of doing what i do every year which is try and give away work ethic scholarships.ch it gets harder every year, so, um -- >> tucker: wait, wait. it gets harder to give away money? >> we've given away $5 million over the last five years, and, yes, every year, it gets increasingly difficult to affirmatively reward work ethic. there's some things mymy scholarship requires you to do that other scholarships don't. you have to write essays and make videos and sign a sweat pledge. when people are often confrontey

with these hoops through which i ask them to leap, they take umbrage at that. i find it fascinating. it doesn't bother me so much because i understand that a valuable thing is almost always a thing that is in demand and work ethic is very much in demand. but to answer your question, why is it harder to find it? i think that probably does have something to do with the expectations that have evolvedit out of the safe space movement which you've done a lot to talk about on your program. and i'm starting to think that maybe there is a link between the expectations a patron mighte have at a starbucks vis-a-vis the expectations a squatter whoa just happens to be genetically tied to you might have vis-a-vis the basement in which he currently dwells, etc., etc. you know, i mean, of all the divides in the country, i think you could probably make a pretty interesting case that there's a fissure running through the expectation of what happens when

we elevate safety and feelings to a level of primacy. i think it creates a real disconnect that people are struggling to parse. >> tucker: wait a second! are you saying safety isn't the most important thing ever? >> i'm saying that everybody wants to go home safe at the end of the day. safety always would be a delightful bromide a wise platitude. safety first is the stuff of idiocy. it allows us to begin to believt that somebody other than us might care more about our well being than we do, and the minute we buy into that nonsense, then we embrace the warm grip of complacency. so, no, safety is not the enemy, but if you make it the priority, then let's just wrap ourselves in bubble pack and drive at speeds approaching 5 miles per hour and never assume anything that could ever be confused with risk. >> tucker: that is really deep.

when you say safety first, you're assuming -- no, i'm serious. this is one of the many unarticulated assumptions that govern our society and no one ever examines them in the light of day. youum just did. when you say safety first, explain that. you're assuming someone out there cares more about your well being than you do? >> yeah, on "dirty jobs" my cre- and i sat through over 100 mandatory briefings. through the first couple ofn seasons, they were very effective, because we listened like this. we were very concerned.. we were in a dangerous, hostile, unknown environment., but over time, the big safety first placards and the mandatorg boxes you have to check and the lock out procedures, those things start to sound like the teacher in charlie brown. wah-wah-wah.

you stopqu listening. the unintended consequence of telling you nothing is more important than your safety is the very dynamic that has people walk across fifth avenue when the little man says walk instead of looking both ways. vt it's not a coincidence the most dangerous intersections in the world are intersections that has have signs to tell when you to walk.nt again, we've talked about this with the minimum wage, we've talked about it with a lot of different things but the unintended consequences of magnifying a virtue to a placeed it doesn't deserve to occupy will always come back to kick us in the throat. >> tucker: really deep. so are there safety briefings on your new show? you have one of the biggest digital shows that's ever been. how much safety is in that show? >> well, safety, like i said, is always present in everything i've done. dirty jobs, somebody has to do it. returning the favor. we always focus on going home in one piece, but part of doing that in my world is to say safety third. now, that's controversial. that makes people go, what are you talking about? what's more important than safety?

now suddenly you're having a conversation aboutut something that will ultimately redound to personal responsibility. w safety third is just a way of cutting through the warm milk and the soft tissue that makes everybody comfortable. when i say everybody, i mean actuarial accountants, h.r. and insurance adjusters. you've done it. how many times have you gone on a plane and been told by the pilot that the most important thing is to get you home in one piece. just once i'd like the pilot too say, look, sit back and relax because i love my wife, kids ane i want to get home in one piece. strap yourself in and enjoy the ride. you've never been in better hands, adios. >> tucker: you can't control your life. if the plane goes down, prayer is all you've got. let's stop lying. joy and achievement are more important than safety. mike rowe, that was great. it was great to see you. thank you.u. >> you too. >> tucker: diversity obviously

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♪ >> tucker: diversity is our strength, nobody ever explains what that means but that's our new national motto. turns out diversity is also lucrative on college campuses. who knew? mark perry took on to tallying the total payroll of diversity positions at michigan university, just one among hundreds. overall, michigan employs anan army of 88 people as diversity and inclusion bureaucrats of various kinds and 24 of them make more than 100 grand per year. tscollectively, these 88 make about $11 million per year, enough to fund in-state tuition for 742 students per year, at a single school.

so it turns out that principal is making a lot of money for a small group of people. surprised? that's it for us tonight. tune in every night at eight to the show that's the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. that's it for us from washington. jeanine pirro, the great judge, sitting in for the sean hannity from new york. >> judge jeanine: i like how you name the enemies of sworn pomposity. l have you ever named anyone named pomposity? >> tucker: no. >> judge jeanine: welcome to the special edition of "hannity." the trump agenda. president trump pulling the plug for now on a potential nuclear summit with north korean dictator kim jong un. and tonight, north korea is responding by saying, it still willing to sit down with the