>> you got anything? >> what will you do now? >> i'll go prep for my next show on "outnumbered", join us. rick nice to have you here. >> "happening now" starts right now. >> jon: a fox news alert on the high-stakes talks to salvage the historic nuclear summit talks between president trump and kim jong-un. i'm jon scott. >> julie: i'm julie banderas. mike pompeo meeting with the north korean official. pompeo describes it as a good working dinner last night. president trump weighing in on the action a short time ago. >> president trump: the meetings have been very positive. we'll see what happens. it's a process. it's all a process. we'll see. hopefully we'll have a meeting on the 12th. it's going along very well.

>> julie: david lee miller joins us live in new york city. any indication what's happening inside that meeting? >> so far not a great deal has been said but a few moments ago, julie, we noticed some activity. some of the cars in front of this apartment house started to move. it may be an indication that perhaps the delegations are coming out. it may just be that someone wants to park their car. we're keeping an eye on it. the meeting has been underway for just about two hours time. mike pompeo tweeted out a couple of photographs and also tweeted out a message that said welcoming back the delegation from north korea led by kim yong chol to the second date of meetings in new york. last night the vice chair kim and secretary had dinner at this apartment house used, by the way, by the deputy u.n. representative. they arrived here this morning ignoring questions from reporters.

a state department spokeswoman said secretary pompeo spoke last night with president trump and the national security advisor john bolton. pompeo has said the u.s. is committed to complete verifiable irreversible denuclearization. we have to convince north korea nukes only make them less secure. before the meeting got underway two hours ago the two delegations were served chocolate croissants and cinnamon rolls. a sweet start to what appears to be an historic event. >> julie: certainly. david, the north korean delegation might end their trip today but now that may not be the case. can you explain? >> that's right. the original plan appeared to be that the event talks would last two days and that this

afternoon the north koreans would return overseas. now it appears that may not be the case. it has been reported, president trump has said that they have brought with them a letter from kim jong-un and president trump has indicated that it is very possible the north korean delegation may, in fact, now travel to washington to personally deliver that letter. very quickly i should say one reason that the meeting apparently took place here in new york was because it is in new york that the north koreans have a diplomatic facility to represent them at the united nations. it allows them to communicate back with pyongyang. if the talks were held in washington, d.c. they do not have an embassy there. we don't have a formal diplomatic relationship with north korea and they would not have been able to communicate in a secure facility. but it now appears that the talks may be going very well

and the president has suggested that the north korean delegation may travel on friday to washington julie. >> julie: all right, david lee miller, great to have you back in new york city. >> jon: more on this now with raj shah, principal white house deputy press secretary. in the famous letter of may 24th president trump called off the summit. what got it back on track, raj? >> thanks for having me on. i think you're seeing what has gotten is back on track. the north koreans responded the right way. we have talks ongoing in new york that you guys just discussed. also there are talks at the dmz and talks in singapore led by the deputy chief of staff joe hagen. right now we have ongoing conversations. they are going very well as the president indicated. and we're looking forward to the expected summit on june 12th should things go as they have been going over the last few days. >> jon: the president said his goal is denuclearization of the

entire korean peninsula. if the north koreans are not willing to offer that as a reason for coming to the table, will this summit go forward? >> i won't set conditions on anything. the u.s. policy is the complete verifiable and irreversible denuclearization of the korean peninsula. that holds. now, it is our job to work with the north koreans to get both sides there and they've asked for security assurances and some help with economic revitalization and access to foreign investment and the like. so there is a deal to be had. and we're working with the north koreans to try to get there. secretary pompeo is doing incredible work and our delegations at the dmz and singapore are doing great work as well. >> jon: will the north korean sanctions the u.s. imposed remain in place? >> those continue to remain in place. i won't get ahead of how any

talks will go and what any kind of negotiated deal with look like. that's up to the president. i think the signs are all moving in the right direction again. that's something that we should all be encouraged by. >> jon: the president has an awful lot on his plate, including meeting tonight with some of the families of the sante fe high school shooting victims. tell us about that. >> look, the president was moved by what happened several weeks ago in sante fe. we all are. these events are very tragic whenever they happen. and the president wants to extend his condolences and talk about the issue of school safety. there is a meeting today that our school safety commission, which secretary of education betsy devos is chairing to look at ways to improve school safety. look at ways to ensure that schools are hardened and look at all kind of a range of issues to prevent the tragedy that happened in sante fe and

lakeland, florida and elsewhere from ever happening again. >> jon: it is unfortunately one of the roles of the commander-in-chief to also be consoler-in-chief. >> that's right. the president of the united states but also a father. also a husband. and he obviously understands what it's like, you know, to love someone and then to lose someone. and so i think he is approaching these situations as a human being and as an individual, as a parent. and not necessarily as a politician or as a leader. and i think he just -- you know, he talks to families, he listens and he wants to learn. >> jon: he is also back tweeting today about the russia investigation. here is what the president tweeted out. not that it matters, but i

never fired james comey because of russia. the corrupt mainstream media loves to keep pushing that narrative but they know it is not true. why bring that up now, raj? >> well, it's a non-stop narrative of the media. and it is something that frankly isn't true. the president fired james comey for a variety of reasons. he said on national television it is because of james comey's handling of the clinton investigation and the letter that the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein had sent him. there are also a number of reasons. he has leaked confidential information. he gave false statements under oath to congress. there are a myriad of reasons to fire james comey, not just one. and he was -- as he has repeatedly said it is one of the better decisions and one of the best decisions he has made as president of the united states. >> jon: it's a busy day at the white house and another issue on the president's plate is

pardoning conservative filmmaker and writer desusa. that is going to happen today? >> yes, that is. desusa is an individual who, you know, has made restitution and accepted responsibility for his actions. but these are infractions and crimes that are rarely prosecuted and many believe that he was the subject of some selective prosecution from the previous administration. he has accepted responsibility and the president thinks it's appropriate he receive a pardon after community service, paying a fine and doing other things that the judge has required. >> jon: also tonight it's my understanding the president is going to allow the tariffs on steel and aluminum from canada, mexico and other trading partners to go into effect. that has royaled the markets some today, raj. >> well, yes, the president is taking action under section 232 to protect american aluminum

and steel. we deal with an oversupply, a glut of supply from china through unfair trade practices and we've been working country by country working to try to address these concerns in a different way. >> jon: if china is the problem, why slap tariffs on canadian and mexican steel? >> because they depreciate prices through their glut of the worldwide supply and they are increasingly taking over the global supply in a predator manner. so the president's actions are about protecting american steel and aluminum. critical for national security. he has worked to exempt certain countries and allies where we have trading or security relationships. in these instances it wasn't possible. the president took action. >> jon: the market is down 240 points right now. partly in response to that news. busy morning at the white house.

raj shah, thank you. >> thanks, jon. >> julie: news about a secret memo written by andrew mccabe. what the document says about james comey's firing and who it has been handed over to. plus a woman arrested in connection with the killing of a tennessee sheriff's deputy as the search for the shooter intensifies. >> we just ask for your help in getting the photo and information out so that we can hold this person responsible and fully accountable. ♪ ♪ i love you baby applebee's 2 for $20, now with steak. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood.

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shooter as steven joshua wiggins through nearby surveillance video. a reward is offered for his capture. this woman, believed to be his girlfriend, is accused of participating in the incident and is charged with first degree murder. >> julie: there is a secret memo written by former f.b.i. director andrew mccabe about the circumstances surrounding james comey's firing. it's now been handed over to special counsel robert mueller as his team continues to investigate the 2016 trump campaign and whether the president's decision to fire comey was an attempt to obstruct the investigation. a source familiar with the news and in the memo telling fox the document recalls a conversation between mccabe and deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. let's bring in the white house correspondent for "the washington examiner". thank you for talking to us. i want to call this an alleged

memo. we haven't seen it. the president said mccabe never took notes during the meeting. so with that said, how can the f.b.i. then be so sure the memo wasn't written after the fact because if it were written after the fact, would it not make it irrelevant? >> that's a huge concern here is verifying when this memo was written by mccabe. whether it was drafted after he and president trump had several meetings. whether it was drafted in a way to help james comey and impact the mueller investigation. these are questions that investigators will certainly have to look at to identify and verify the authenticity of this document. but it is certainly problematic for rod rosenstein if it does, in fact, exist and was written according to the timeline that mccabe provided. in this memo mccabe alleges that rod rosenstein had told him in their own conversations that president trump requested that he insert a line about the

russia investigation and president trump not being included as the focus of that investigation in his letter detailing the reasons for james comey's firing. and if you go back and read that memo, detailing the reasons for comey's firing we did not hear anything about russia in it. the reasons that were given were related to comey's mishandling of the clinton email investigation. mccabe is allegeings that rosenstein helped cover for president trump. if that ends up being the case and he becomes the focus of the mueller investigation in obstruction of justice probe this could lead to rosenstein facing calls for his recusal and it would inject further chaos into this entire investigation. >> julie: this source tells fox in one of the memos mccabe describes a meeting he was present where rod rosenstein told those in the room that president trump wanted rosenstein to include russia in his memo which was later used as the basis to fire comey. the president has repeatedly said he has not, did not fire

comey based on russia. mccabe says he insists he was fired because of what he witnessed in the aftermath of james comey's firing. two completely different stories. what is now mueller to do with this letter since it's in his hands? >> it is a he said/she said situation. that obviously creates a lot of problems for mueller and his team. they'll look at all the public statements made by both mccabe and president trump. president trump tweeted this morning he never had russia in his mind when he was looking the fire james comey but that contradicts what he told lester holt last year following the firing of james comey when he said he was, in fact, thinking about russia when he decided to terminate the f.b.i. director. so i do think that those statements are going to be taken into account. obviously mccabe's statements will be taken into account and the fact the president alleges he was never taking notes in his meetings like you said, it is something that will be taken

into consideration by this team when they are reviewing this memo and trying to figure out the impact it will have. >> julie: the president has said that he wants to sit down and be interviewed by mueller and this has been going on for months and months. his lawyers have now said the focus would have to be on russia in order for that to happen. i'm wondering if the president's lawyers would let this letter be subject to questioning if he does ever sit down with mueller. >> it's a good question. i imagine he will be asked if he does sit down not only about his interactions with james comey but his interactions with mccabe, rosenstein and others. that's one of the reasons why they are trying to narrow the focus of a presidential interview if it does, in fact, happen. we saw reports out this morning that suggest that rudy giuliani, the president's outside attorney, is now prepping him for a possible interview with mueller or his team asking him questions, making sure he has the right answers and doesn't find himself in a position where he could perjure himself or create further problems. this is something that i'm sure

rudy giuliani will be talking to the president about. something that they will be dissecting in the coming days and figuring out how to navigate this memo going forward. >> julie: the president has railed for months against mccabe on twitter. i'm looking at a tweet from april where he says basically he lied, lied, lied, referring to mccabe. he said mccabe was totally controlled by comey. mccabe is comey. no collusion. all made up. this is the narrative from the white house and mccabe, who is policeing mccabe is the question. the president is saying he is lying. is anybody investigating mccabe? >> i think there is a lot of scrutiny that mccabe has found himself subject to in the past few months. he was fired by this president hours before he was due to retire and receive his pension. no secret he and president trump don't get along. president trump has criticized him long before he became president out on the campaign trail he went after mccabe and his wife and their relationship

with the former virginia governor. so there are a lot of -- there is a lot of tension between the two leaders here. the former f.b.i. deputy director and the president. i do think that all of that is circumstantial and something that will be taken into account as mueller's team continues to look at both mccabe and president trump in the broader scheme of this investigation. >> julie: gabby, great to see you. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. >> jon: president trump is headed to texas to raise some campaign cash and meet with victims of the sante fe school shooting. we'll have his arrival for you when it takes place. plus harvey weinstein officially indicted by a grand jury in new york. the charges he faces now and what his lawyers are saying about the case. un-stop right there! i'm about to pop a cap of "mmm fresh" in that washer. with unstopables in-wash scent boosters by downy. ah, it's so fresh. and it's going to last from wash to... ...wear for up to 12 weeks.

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>> jon: disgraced movie mogul harvey weinstein officially indietd on rape and other sex charges in new york city. the first case to arise from dozens of allegations against him. laura engel joins us from the newsroom. >> the indictment was handed out hours after harvey weinstein's attorneys told prosecutors he would not testify before the grand jury in in case. after he turned himself in to police on friday to rape and criminal sex charges. he was cuffed and arraigned and released on $1 million bail. the judge gave him until yesterday to decide if he would testify before the grand jury. the legal team asked the district attorney for more time to prepare him. the lawyers say that request was denied so they advised him not to testify. he is charged with two counts of rape as well as a first degree criminal sexual act. he could get 25 years in prison

if convicted. the charges involve two women. his lawyer benjamin bragtman has said the encounters with these two women were consensual. the d.a. says we're confident when the jury hears the evidence it will reject these attacks out of hand. as to weinstein's defense, his attorney spent 90 minutes in judge's chambers this week with the assistant district attorney handling the case to discuss his concerns that weinstein would be able to get a fair trial. he issued a statement yesterday that reads mr. weinstein intends to enter a plea of not guilty and vigorously defend against these unsupported allegations that he strongly denies. we'll soon formally move to dismiss the indictment. if this case proceeds to trial, we expect mr. weinstein to be acquitted. weinstein continues to deny the charges and is scheduled to be

back in court july 30th and under investigation in los angeles, beverly hills and london with up to 80 women who have accused him of various acts of sexual misconduct. >> jon: how the mighty have fallen. laura engel, thank you. >> julie: the efforts to save the upcoming summit with north korea. what is going on behind closed doors at the meeting between secretary of state mike pompeo and kim jong-un's right-hand man? and what both sides need to hear to make that summit happen. ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months, ... with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla.

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>> jon: the taliban reportedly holding secret meetings with afghan government officials to discuss a possible cease-fire which could put an end to the wave of violence in that region and ultimately end the war. mike tobin live in our news bureau with that. >> despite new attacks a top u.s. military commander in afghanistan says members of the taliban have been secretly meeting with afghan government officials about a cease-fire. it gets confusing. april 25th the taliban declared their spring offensive and yesterday gunman attacked the interior ministry demonstrated their boldness, ability to attack inside the capital. afghan government forces thwarted that attack. the u.s. military is striking back. marines fired rockets killing more than 50 taliban leaders in

-- general nicholson described them mid level to senior commanders. last february afghan president offered the taliban recognition as a political party if they would accept a cease-fire, recognize the afghan government and constitution. nicholson says it doesn't mean a trend of increasing environment. general nicholson says the levels of attacks are 10 to 20% below the five-year average. we should note that multiple cease-fire discussions with the taliban have failed in the past. jon. >> jon: mike, thank you. >> julie: fox news alert on the critical talks now underway between secretary of state pompeo and kim yong chol here in new york. the highest ranking north

korean official to visit the u.s. in two decades with the pair hoping to finalize plans for the nuclear summit with kim jong-un. >> president trump: our secretary of state has had very good meetings. he is meeting again today. i believe they will be coming down to washington on friday and a letter is going to be delivered to me from kim jong-un. so i look forward to seeing what's in the letter. >> julie: joining us now congressman mo brooks a republican from alabama a member of the house freedom caucus and sits on the house armed services committee. hard to believe this is actually happening but it is. two meetings in one week, possibly a third. kim yong chol is likely to convey pompeo is serious about the summit and discuss the contents of a joint statement to be issued at its end. what kind of joint statement do you expect to come from these

two? >> well, i hope the joint statement will basically initially work out the logistics of this summit. not only the logistics but the security and things that have to be implemented so the leaders of north korea and the united states of america can satisfactory accomplish their goal. in that vein what president trump is doing is a breath of fresh air. it has been a long time since there has been this kind of reach-out to north korean leadership. if that is successful, who knows. peace may break out on the korean peninsula. great for that region of the world and great for the united states of america. >> julie: it is great. while these talks are a positive sign, let's remember reality here and the history of north korea and why they can't be trusted. the outgoing head of u.s. pacific command reminds us all and also the president's pick to be the ambassador to south korea says north korea remains america's most imminent threat.

in september they tested a hydrogen bomb successfully. shouldn't weapons inspectors be part of the talk and north korea allowing them in to confirm they did permanently destroy their nuclear facilities? >> well, president reagan had it right when he was referring to the soviet union and other geopolitical foes, trust by verify. it's one thing to enter into an agreement to denuclearize the korean peninsula. another thing to have enough confidence to think it has transpired. there will have to be verification to ensure that all parties to this agreement are abiding by the terms of that agreement. so i'm very comfortable with north korea verifying that we, the united states of america, south korea to the extent south korea is involved, that we're complying with those terms. at the same time we need a similar verification to ensure the north koreans are complying with their end of the agreement.

>> julie: i wonder if kim jong-un truly understands who is driving this train. after meeting with kim jong-un last week south korean president moon jae-in said that un is unsure whether he can trust president trump's promise for a security guarantee. north korea is afraid it can't trust us, is that a problem? do you see that as a bit of an issue? >> well, if it's an executive-type of agreement as president obama had with iran, that agreement is only good for the term of the presidency. so if it's that kind of agreement i can understand the hesitancy of the north korean leadership. on the other hand if we do something bold like have a treaty that ends the korean conflict which is still ongoing. we have a cease-fire, not a treaty that puts a permanent end to it and that treaty is ratified in the united states senate, that binds the united states of america as a country and as a government to adhere to the terms. i hope that if we're able to

put into place a treaty with north korea preferably also including south korea that we will achieve one of three major goals. denuclearization of north korea, another one is peace between south and north korea, preferably long-term some kind of mutual agreement where those two people can reunite as one family again and finally us in america having enough confidence in peace that we can bring our soldiers home. >> julie: the president isn't going into this blind eyed. he knows the history and trust factor here. speaking of trust and kim yong chol, he is the high-level north korean official, 72 years old, first person from north korea at his senior level since 2000. he is the vice chairman of the ruling workers party and previously headed north korea's military intelligence agency and believed to be behind two attacks in 2010 killing 50 south koreans and a 2014

cyberattack on sony pictures. this is who we're supposed to trust to have good intentions for south korea? >> well, that's all the more reason why we need to work out an agreement where we look at the interests of north korea, south korea and the united states of america and we try to come up with an agreement that meets the interests of all three countries and that we reach some kind of satisfactory accord that puts this kind of activity behind us. certainly north korea's people can do much better than they have as they divert scarce resources to a build-up of the military. if there is no longer a threat in their minds and at the same time if they no longer have a desire to invade south korea, that frees up a lot of resources that can be used to improve the lives of the north koreans. for that matter make more secure the north korean government and hopefully where they don't have to engage in some of the rather barbaric tactics.

there are ways everybody can mutually agree and profit from this. i hope that president trump is able to coble together and agreement that achieves some of the major goals i outlined earlier. >> julie: we aren't getting a lot from the white house. mike pompeo saying not much other than he had a good dinner meeting in new york. the president tweeting this morning very good meetings with north korea. but that's about all we're getting. i'm wondering how volatile the summit is and why we're getting less after john bolton made his libya model comments which broke down previous talks, if they're approaching it differently this time. >> well, this is a rather unique situation. bear in mind we go all the way back to president eisenhower and every president since then hasn't been able to enter into a lasting peace agreement with north korea. the united nations hasn't been able to. they were a major player during the korean conflict. i think it's important for

everybody to damp down a little bit -- tamp down a little bit the expectations of the various parties. hopefully we can enter into a series of negotiations that will consummate in the reaching of our three major goals. if we can do it in one meeting that's outstanding. understanding the relationship between the countries that may be a high bar. if we can start building a relationship which president trump seems committed to doing over time we can appeal to the self-interests of everybody involved with a plan that works for everybody and mr. trump is a master deal maker. i hope he can pull it off. >> julie: they have already pulled off what any other president has been able to do. we'll have to see it if continues. thank you. >> jon: great story here, a youth football team from idaho living up to its name the boise

black knights were like knights in shiny armor to a couple trapped in their overturned car. they worked together to lift the car and get the couple out. in case you are wondering, yes, the team won that game. holy cow. >> julie: wow. all right. coming up president trump will be taking on the role of comforter in chief when he meets with the families of victims from the sante fe, texas, school shooting. we'll take you live to houston once the president arrives. plus president trump signing the right to try act into law. what this could mean for terminally ill patients all over the country who have exhausted all other options. will it give them hope? dr. marc siegel will join us next to discuss this landmark move.

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>> jon: the highest level meeting between any korean

official and u.s. officials in the united states since the clinton years. secretary of state mike pompeo and north korea's former military intelligence chief are wrapping up their meeting right now in new york. you see them getting into their waiting limousines there. they had a dinner together last night and now it's this meeting trying to lay the ground work to revive the president trump/kim summit for sometime in early june. that's still expected to take place in singapore if these two have been successful in getting the talks back on the rails. we'll keep you apprised. >> julie: we're awaiting the arrival of president trump in houston and here is a live look now at the joint reserve base where the president is expected to land. he is traveling to texas to meet with the relatives of victims from the deadly shooting at sante fe high school. the white house says he will be personally offering his condolences and support. we'll take you there live once

the president arrives. >> jon: busy week at the white house. the president has signed the right to try act allowing terminally ill patients access to treatment that is not yet fully approved by the fda. president trump signing the bill into law in a white house ceremony saying it is a positive change for many patients and their families. >> president trump: to try also offer hope for those who don't qualify for clinical trials or exhausted all available treatment options. there are no options but now you have hope. you really have hope. >> jon: let's talk about it with dr. marc siegel. a fox news medical correspondent. it seems like a no-brainer to me. these are people who are terminally ill, they want to try medicines that have not been given full approval yet by the fda, right?

>> yes, jon. the fda has expanded access where 99 1/2% they were approving it. this is a positive move. we're entering an era of genetic therapy and personalized medicine where it doesn't work for everybody but might work for you. if you're very sick and you can't get into a clinical trial because you are too sick and you are sitting there waiting for a drug that's already passed phase one so we know it's safe. we don't know if it works or not but if you're dying you will say even if it doesn't work i want to give it a shot. this is a path directly to that right to the drug company. the problem now will be will the drug company be able to provide it for you and will insurance cover it. those two hurdles still remain but a big step forward. >> jon: how many of these medicines are out there? a dozen, 20? >> i think we're talking hundreds. maybe thousands soon.

when you are talking genetic therapy you are talking about a disease like alzheimer's we're figuring out the genetic aberration for that and cancer and -- you take the white blood cell out of the body, technique and reengineer it put it back in the body and it fights the cancer. dramatic treatments on the immunotherapy fronts on cancel you get directly even if you don't qualify for a clinical trial. the fda has told me they'll clarify it. for terminal use only, not the general population. for people that no other hope as the president says. >> jon: i have heard from opponents of this who say that it opens up the possibility that snake oil salesmen will come out of the bushes and say hey, try this, it might save yir life. >> i don't think so. i think it's a legitimate questions but two reasons it

won't happen. one, it has to pass phase one clinical human trials. i expect the fda to clarify it and keeping it for terminal patients only. it will be fairly well regulated and plenty of drugs out there that need to be tried in this kind of setting. i have so many patients that say i have no hope left, why can't i try that immunotherapy? i struggle to get it for them. it will make it easier. >> jon: a criticism, just because a drug exists the drug companies aren't required to furniture it to that patients. there may be drugs out there that might help somebody but it doesn't guarantee them access, right? >> that's been a huge problem until now. this will shine a spotlight where it belongs on the drug company. how altruistic is the drug company? are they ponying up the immunotherapy that are working. studies have come out in the last few weeks with lung cancer

that immunotherapy has doubled life span. we see big changes. genetic front, immunotherapy front. it costs a billion dollars to bring them to market but they get a lot of positive publicity if they bring these out to people that are dying and it saves them or gives them hope. >> jon: interesting. julie. >> julie: and we are watching as the president's plane touches down in houston. he is going to be meeting with families of the victims of the deadly shooting in sante fe high school in texas. the president has said that his administration grieves for the families. he intends to do whatever necessary to keep guns out of the hands of those who can create such harm such as this. the president also saying his administration is determined to do everything in their power to protect our students, secure our schools and keep the weapons out of the hands of those who are a threat to themselves or others.

we'll take you live to houston but we'll take a quick break and be back right after this.

>> coming up on "outnumbered." the president just you a reive in houston a short time ago to meet with families of the deadly sante fe school shooting. he could remark on today's big meeting between secretary of state mike pompeo and top north korean official over the summit. will it happen? and what will kim jong-un give up for it? >> comedian samantha bee used a stunningly vulgar term to describe ivanka trump. will tbs fire her? would it be different if it was

the daughter of barack obama or chelsea clinton? we'll have that discussion. >> julie: we take you to a live picture of air force one there in houston. you are looking at the ellington field joint reserve base where the president is about to depart his plane there. he traveled to texas to expect to be meeting with relatives of the victims from the deadly shooting at sante fe high school a couple weeks ago. and the white house is saying that he will personally meet with families and offer his condolences and support. some interesting news that actually took place on board this plane while en route to houston. we're told per a pool producer, that's a producer that travels with the president and then shares the coverage with other affiliates. that they were speaking with the president off camera mostly off the record on a number of issues. there was something interesting that came up that was on the record. you remember recently the

president pardoned a couple well-known folks who have been serving time in prison. the pool was called to the president's office to speak off the record for 30 minutes and then at one part he put on the record he is considering pardoning or commuting the sentence of former illinois governor and martha stewart. we don't know what led to this conversation and we don't know if one of the producers perhaps had heard a rumor that the president was considering pardoning these two? that's what the president said on the record. here comes president trump as he departs air force one as he is about to meet and greet and offer condolences to the families of the victims of the sante fe school shooting. >> jon: he will meet texas governor greg abbott and ted cruz and ken paxton the attorney general. what news the president has been on something of a commuting role lately.

he is considering pardoning desusa, the conservative filmmaker and author. he recently pardoned the late boxer jack johnson, and he has been issuing other pardons, scooter libby among them. the pardoning of the illinois governor would be the first high profile democratic pardon if it happens. this was an on the record conversation with a pool producer and the president is considering pardoning the former governor of illinois convicted of influence peddling and also martha stewart in everyone's living rooms and coffee table for insider trading. >> julie: where do these thoughts come from? yesterday when he met with kim kardashian a lot of people were surprised and taken aback. the cause is a good one. prison reform.

she brought up a very positive story about somebody who is actually in prison who had been convicted on a one-time drug charge 20 years ago, a grandmother and there are many of those that are in the prison system currently whether they're politicians or former boxers that are being pardoned. who the president perhaps believes were improperly imprisoned or should be pardoned. this does kind of go in line with his prison reform conversations he had. the same day mike pompeo is here in new york talking to a top north korean official about the summit. prison reform is one issue and sante fe dealing with the gun control issue calling it a gun control issue when he talks about wanting to do whatever is needed to get guns out of the wrong hands. what he means by that we don't exactly know but as you mentioned he will be meeting with the governor and i'm sure they'll talk about that.

>> jon: he also pardoned joe arpaio, the well-known former sheriff of arizona now running for the senate seat in arizona. he was convicted of criminal contempt and the president pardoned him. he was one of the early pardons of the trump administration. there you see the president once again. i believe that's the back of senator ted cruz's head to the right just behind the military officer and mentioned also texas governor greg abbott is there and the attorney general ken paxton and a number of other texas political leaders. a big day for the president. he always keeps us guessing, does he not? >> julie: he certainly does. >> jon: those potential pardons a couple of seconds ago. >> julie: i was really surprised. you shouldn't be surprised. this president always has some surprises up his sleeves and keeps us on our toes and fascinating. >> jon: it is fun to watch.

thank you for joining us on this thursday. >> julie: "outnumbered" will continue coverage and we'll hear from the president later this afternoon as he meets with families of the sante fe school shooting. >> jon: president trump has arrived as you can see he has touched down on the ground in houston, texas, where he will be meeting privately with families of the victims of the sante fe high school shooting. you'll remember 10 people were killed in that massacre nearly two weeks ago. yesterday texas governor greg abbott announced his plan to make texas schools safer in the response to the tragedy. the president took off a short time ago, a couple hours ago heading -- making his way to texas. this was originally a trip built around the fundraiser, first a luncheon and another one this evening in dallas, texas. they decided to have him go down and meet with the victims and the