very closely. a lot happening in the world and a lot good. 500th day. look at the economy. like world is changing the a positive direction. all the time we have lefthis evening but we will always be fair, balanced, never let the destroy from media let your heart be troubled, what comment would you be making tonight? laura : >> it's a great time to be in america. this is awesome. anyone who's complaining complaining about this economy, i don't know when they think it's going be better in the future? >> sean: how great is "the new york times"? we run out of descriptions about how great it is. it's got to be killing them. this is why all this mueller crap needs to go away. speak. >> laura: imagine if he did not have the invitation investigation hanging over his head. >> sean: look at the atlanta fed where they are projecting 4.8% second quarter gdp growth. if it gets near that, even 3.5%, it would be historic.

>> laura: hannity, great show as always. >> sean: have a great show, laura. >> laura: good evening from washington, this is the "the ingraham angle." you do not want to miss a moment of the show. so much to your brand-new story breaking, things happen right before the show. but the metoobeencatchingupwithbill cli bill coming unglued, during the interview with monica lewinsky. juanita broaddrick and catherine wiley here to discuss the question that nbc failed to ask with. also brian york has new piece, new information that could upend the government's case against michael flynn. plus the supreme court rules on the religious rights of a baker who was sued by a same-sex couple. but mike huckabee says it settles nothing. but why is the border patrol union she is now saying deploying the national guard to the border was a waste? you will want to stick around for his explanation. but first, bill clinton and a

party in denial. that is the focus of tonight's angle. 20 years later, bill clinton and the democratic party refused to learn the lessons of the past. even when confronted with reality, they have a problem processing the truth. during an interview to push his new thriller that he cowrote with james patterson come up warmer president bill clinton was asked this by nbc anchor craig nelkin. >> in 2018, with everything that's going on with the #metoo movement, how would you have approached the accusations differently? >> i don't think it would be an issue because people would have the facts instead of the imagined effects. if the facts where the same today, i wouldn't. a lot of the facts have been conveniently omitted to make the story work. >> laura: which facts are

those? maybe this fact? >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> laura: this came to light in a sexual harassment case brought to light by paula jones. >> that's an utterly false statement. is that correct? >> it depends on the meaning of the word "is" is. >> laura: "is" is it still ridiculous that he said it? yes, it is. every time i hear that, i still can't believe he said that. the president eventually admitted to the relationship with linsky and called it wrong and a recent vanity vanity -- constituted a gross abuse of

power for the most powerful man on the planet. 27 years my senior with enough life experience to know better. he was, at the time, in the pinnacle of his career, while i was in my first job out of llege. when clinton was confronted with all of this, he got very, very defensive. >> asked if you ever apologize, said he had. >> i applies to everybody in the world. >> you did not apologize to her. >> i did not talk to her. i -- i do not -- i never talked to her. i do say publicly on more than one occasion, we always see it. that's very different. >> laura: continued to press the president about a private apology causing his coauthor james patterson to rush in like alex cross. >> this thing, it's 20 years ago. come on.

talk about jfk. let's talk about lbj. stop already. >> laura: stop already? is that the name of one of his new books? is some of harvey weinstein's crimes take place 20 years ago, did they not? to be forgive and forget all those egregious assaults against women as well? bill clinton red-faced and indignant refused to give an inch. >> do you think president president kennedy -- do you believe president johnson should've resigned? i promised to do a good job since then with my life and my work. that's all i have to say. >> laura: i like how he tried to turn the tables on the reporter. bill, he's the reporter. he doesn't have to answer the question to reconcile with his public path. you do. even clinton's own party at this point, he just wants him to go away. this is the ruined path of the

party confronting its pathetic resident. because, like clinton, the democrats refused to learn the lessons of the past. despite the prio embrace of sexual creditors from weinstein to spacey, the democrats have arrested a #metoo movement and political infrastructure they hope will deliver female voters to the polls in november. but bill clinton remains a bothersome obstacle, if they are assuming the moral high ground on sexual harassment. found 80% of democrat voters consider sexual harassment a top issue for them. bu only 38% of republicans feel the same way. the democrats believe that this is their new wedge issue. obama and hillary clinton, come on, let's remember, they were all about dividing americans using race, gender, to drive people to the polls. amazingly, democrats have embraced that approach today.

and while obama disparage working-class americans as bitter people cling to their guns and religion, hillary clinton dared insanity for darg tvo for trump. beyond the impeachment and shameful behavior, bill clinton could actually teach the democrats a lot. of course, he was a committed globalist on issues like china getting into the wto and nafta, he was also a southern democrat, and he did understand that blue-collar sensibility. the working people. and remember when clinton declared this in his reelection year state of the union? >> we know and we have work to give the american people a smaller, less bureaucratic government in washington. d we have to give the american people ones that live within its means. the era of big government is over. >> laura: clinton oversaw welfare reform, collaborated

with republicans to pass a balanced budget, and he signed that the defense of marriag act -- a l of people fort that. this was after the '94 shellacking the democrats had in that mterm election cycle. clinton is like, well, i have to work with the republicans now. that made sense. even during his life's campaign, he reportedly confronted her staff about their seeming disinterest in working-class americans, and he reportedly urged them to reach out to those voters who were feeling ignored. his advice was dismissed. led by robbie moo, hillary's campaign decided to double down on targetingoung, latino, and black voters in their effort to win the presidency. that worked out well. like bill clinton's failure to read the signs of the times, and appreciate the lessons of the past, democrats refused to acknowledge and respect the voters that trump has brought into the fold.

should this continue, clinton and james patterson may want to reconsider, like, a new title, may be, for their book when it premieres in paperback? the democratic president is missing. and so are his voters. and that is the angle. if clinton got that upset discussing lewinsky, imagine "the today show" had asked about the women who told him no. joining us now are kathleen willey and juanita broaddrick, author of the new book "you better put some ice on that: how i survived being raped by bill clinton." i've been thinking about you all day, and also, paula. juanita, i want to start with you. bill clinton did approach you, did he not, in 1992, to apologize? >> yeah. yes. he did. it was in 1991.

i was in little rock at a nursing home seminar and someone comes to the door and says, i wanted in the hallway. i go out and the man points down around the corner by the elevator. and so i go down there. as i round the corner, there stands bill clinton whwo his arkansas state police guards. and he rushes over to me and he starts this profuse apology and saying, i'm so sorry for what i did, i am a changed man. i'm just not the man i used to be. even said, i'm a family man now. and i just looked at him, laura, and i -- i was just flabbergasted. i said, you go to hell. i walked off. i could not believe it. and the nurses who were with me followed me out. and they came over to me and they said, what did he want? and i told them. and then i began to feel a

little bad that i had said that, i kept thinking, well, maybe he really meant that, maybe he really was apologizing. >> laura: then what happened? then you realized... fast-forward, he was running for president and you were perhaps going to be an obstacle for tha that? >> right. that's exactly it -- a weak leader after he apologized, he responded he was running for president. >> laura: a week later question mike that's really subtle. kathleen wiley, you watch that interview. i've got to say, i'm always done that. why am i stunned? he has not learned anything about this experience. he's actually a smart guy. i'm almost speechless. your reaction? >> i'm speechless too. i was outraged. i could not believe the words that were coming out of his mouth. he was so arrogant and pompous about the whole thing. i think he actually does believe that he didn't do anything

wrong. and just a blanket apology. he has apologize to people that he worked with. and the people he destroyed, the women he destroyed, he has apologized to me, he has not apologized to paula, he apologized to juanita, but there was a purpose for that. and he hasn't apologized to leslie or numerous other women who have come forward and say they told stories about him. he never will. he doesn't get it. just the way it is. >> laura: he seems to think -- he handled it well. to watch that interview, he didn't say he would've done anything differently. everybody makes miske in eir life. could have,uld have, would have. lord knows we all do. but 20 years later to say, you know, i wish i could turn back the clock and, you know, show better judgment.

but, i mean -- i do that 50 times a day. id do that" -- it's a little strange. on cnn, offered somewhat tepid critique of this performance. let's watch >> there could have been a more practice answer, or one, i would think, alluded to the notion that t was a change in the past 20 years. obviously, the rules were different and he would've done something differently today or he would say something differently about it today.au:ea more practice answer. juanita. >> my god... be when he could've also not portrayed himself as a victim. how does he become the victim in all of this? >> i know! i know. i saw this decrepit, angry old man who was trying to play the victim card. the same man who 40 years ago raped me. it was disgusting.

>> laura: kathleen, it would've been really amazing -- i am shocked that melvin asked these questions. >> i am too. >> laura: it would've been really amazing if he asked about wanita, you, the others, but he focused on monica wilensky because that was the impeachmen. even joe lockhart -- let's play this quickly. joe lockhart, former white house press secretary said that yesterday. let's watch. >> highlights the vast difference between what was it like 20 years ago or today. in the interview, he succumbed to being the victim and feeling victimized. >> laura: victimized, kathleen kathleen. >> he left the white house $16 million in debt? let me tell you what being in debt is light and not being abl get a meaningful job after being through all of that. he hired all these women who worked in his office and has a

sexual harassment policy. he had a lot of women around so he could, you know, assault the them. there is no sexual harassment licy in arkansas. there never was one. there never was one. >> laura: kathleen, if he had called you today and sai look, i know it came up bad in the interview, but i'm really sorry for causing you pain, sorry for what i did, would you accept his apology? >> no. i tell them the same thing that juanita told him. >> laura: which would be... >> i would tell him to go to hell. >> laura: juanita, same question. everybody can be redeemed, right? we are supposed to believe in redemption, all of us. most of us do. >> i don't believe -- i don't believe there's any redemption in regard to bill and hillary clinton. i do not believe that. i would probably tell him the same thing again today. >> laura: all right.

thank you, both -- >> i suffered. >> laura: thank you both for being here tonight. >> you are welcome. glad to be here. >> laura: i'm still speechless speechless. guys, as i described the angle, the democratic party is facing problems far better than clinton's, this is substantive problems, especially the refusal to recognize they lost a huge chunk of the white working class in america. let's get insight from democratic pollster doug schoen who helped clinton rebrand his message after the shellacking in the '94 midterm. it's so great to see you tonight. i was watching bill clinton's press conference that he did in the white house. i know you remember it well -- >> i do. >> laura: we were all young back then. we were all kids. >> we were. >> laura: he said, look, i take responsibility. take responsibility, partial responsibility for what happened, the voters want to change. i'm going to work with republicans. i'm not going to turn my back on

the goals, but i'm going to work with republicans. basically said because that is what the people want. that is what the people want today too, i believe. >> it absolutely is. that's why i am so upset with the current direction of the democratic party where the progressive left is pushing the party further and further, redistribute, resist, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed health care, but no the visual initiative, no job creation, no helping business. no inclusive polities , , policies, we brought the contract on the country together, balanced budget, welfare reform. i'm proud of that, he's proud of that. frankly require apologies, no pride, we heard that today. he does have, i think, a record that represents a better

direction for the democratic party than the current one. >> laura: that november election in '94 was historically the house,fter 50 years, being shut out, went republican, gingrich rising. they were real ideas. there was a real debate about ideas. i say this to my democrat friends all the time, doug what is your ide how are you going to get the 4.7% gdp if the atlanta fed prediction is right? how are you going to get the record low unemployment for african-americans? how are you going to get business confidence? well, mueller. every time -- robert mueller. paul manafort. okay, i get it. that's important. but how will you make the lives of average americans better, doug? they do not want to have that conversation. >> let me say it bluntly. the democratic party is in a civil war between the moderates, a shrinking group that i speak for and represent in my own way, and the surging progressives represent basically socialism

and a series of policies that guarantees outcomes rather than opportunities and i think it's bad for america, bad for the democratic party, and i think you are right. sadly, all of that was what we were able to do in the '90s has disappeared. i, as a democrat, i disagree with the president on a lot of things, but it's hard to reject the extraordinary job numbers of last week and i hope donald trump will work to bring this country together in a way that it really needs. >> laura: you think about cory booker and kemal harris voting against prison reform russian mark which is historically been an issue the democrats have embraced because donald trump was for it? even the right to prior legislation? some democrats, no, we don't want to do special care and lack of life, they did not want to do that. they do not want to do this and amnesties for the 2 million legal immigrants last february

that donald trump said we have to do something about chain migration. that is insane! that is not governing or that saying no to everything. >> look, i agree. i was one of those who said to bill clinton, you've got to work with newt gingrich, you've got to work with the republicans, we've go compromise on a balanced budget, welfare reform, debt reduction, you are absolutely right about immigration, you are absolutely right about policies to benefit the economy. i -- i -- i don't understand why the democrats are doing what they are doing, they sure are not helping them in the polls. if they go on this course, it will lead to them losing the senate as most observers predict, and evenalling short winning the house, which is something that still remains within reach for them. >> laura: while the. >> it is! makes no sense. >> laura: so great to talk with you tonight be a very important. speaking of00 days, trump now has the backing of h own party like few presidents have had

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>> laura: will come back to "the ingraham angle." this morning, the president tweeted, this is my 500th day in office and we've accomplished a

lot. more than any president. very competitive. in fact, most republicans do agree, based on gallup numbers, trump has the second-highest ratings ever by a president's own party after the 500 day mark at 87%. that second only to george w. bush and that, of course, was nine after 9/11. does this spell trouble for democrats after they lost their big lead in the midterm generic election goal tell my polls? let's dive in with match lap, chairman of the conservative union and democratic -- we are going to do our report cards as well. 500 days in, matt, i thought trump would do well. i didn't think he would do this well. i did not predict. i predicted he wod win the presidency.

historic lows, the list goes on. jerusalem, all of the stuff -- i am speechless about that. >> i am amazed that the flooding of decisions, promise made, promise kept on issue after issue, presidents like the space it out, take a breath. this president -- i had to write it all down. couldn't keep track of it. there's so much getting done. i agree with you. it's amazing. >> laura: your report card for the president, do we have separate rosters for them? i think we do. domestic policy report card, you give a president a... >> an a. >> laura: the reason? >> how do you do better than a growing economy, neil gorsuch on the supreme court -- the one you have your own report card. i love it. why you in red? that usually for a f. >> the republicans in congress

might not want to defund it or take the steps to do it, but the president is willing to do it. on issue after issue after issue, the final thing rolling back regulations, that's the biggest impact onhe economy and that's why we are growing. >> laura: the tax bill in there. >> good, very good. but i think that regulations are bigger but i do not think the obama regulations had a bigger dampening on the economy. >> i'm the 54% of america not happy on the side of the table for you guys are at 46% that is happy. i'm the 54% that is not happy. >> laura: tell us why. why you gave them a f. >> you are giving me a hard time during the break and i said, i'm sorry, that's what it is. listen, this president has been an abject failure and he will you measure people entered this presidency able to afford t gas, they cannot now. also, the social security, medicare has been put in rest by the president. he has been a complete and total washout as a failure as of the mets get policy president.

i'm surprised establishment republicans haven't stood up more to this president to fight for some of the values they claim to care about. >> laura: here is an establis republican, ryan costello from pennsylvania. trump won pennsylvania first time since gw won in '88. >> instances where you see republican pushback in the house and senate, i found myself very, very frustrated because we have the right, we have the left, but we do have a center. i think a lot of folks in the center do not know what to believe. you get your head chopped off if you're in the middle of trying to use common sense. >> laura: he picked up his marbles and went home. he's retiring. >> a little young to be retiring. >> a lot of these republicans in the house who aren't running for reelection, they thought trump was so atrocious that they ran out of town. >> laura: that is funny! we have to go to foreign policy. joel, you are a little more

genuine. more generous. you have to give them more than that. >> we'll have another segment for that. >> laurat's leave that behind. you gave them a d+ pure white? >> i put the plots. i put a minus, i think the grade is incomplete. we got to see with north korea. i'm not a fan of this president. i'll give in the first person to give them credit if he can actually bring peace. if he stabilizes the korean peninsula, and will give them credit. he's embarrassed us on the world stage. destabilize the middle east -- >> laura: how did he destabilize us in the middle east? >> of let me finish, i will explain. destabilize the middle east -- be when he killed ice is off ices is gone. also it was impossible for the death of a lot of innocent women and children a couple of years ago. >> laura: obama never -- drones -- the left trash obama for drones. foreign policy?

vehicle b+. would say -- i didn't give him an a because he's upsetting the apple cart i'm happy about nafta, i love north korea. but we've got to see the next step is. i think he has a step to be transformational on foreign policy. it's about execution with fulton and pompeo. >> i will move them up to ac for north korea. >> laura: i want to get your thoughts on something that develops amid reports that many players refusing to show up to the white house tomorrow, president trump disinvited the philadelphia eagles ahead of their visit to celebrate the team super bowl win. the president and the statements go to the team over the refusal to proudly stand for the national anthem handover heart. >> is it smart to just invite people who were coming? i feel bad for the fans made the trip to be here. i don't think there's anybody in america who feel sorry for nfl

players. >> laura: the nba is much better about this. >> i was at the cavs game -- >> laura: how does the nba manage to do this right? >> even though all the eagles with the entire year, no one else, no one sat down to check "the washington times." none of them knelt. none of them want to be there because they do not want to be associated with them. >> president obama -- by the way, president obama, many people did not come to the white use over the eight years of president obama did. did he ever just invite one? not one. this guy is a snowflake. he can handle criticism. he can handle a tough crowd. if he can't handle carson once, hopefully he -- >> laura: i wouldn't have disinvited them. first of all, joel, he beat the clintons, the obama's -- vehicle yes, he beat them by minus 3 million votes.

did a great job. >> laura: okay, mr. get rid of the electoral college. you can do that next show. he beat hollywood, the g.o.p. establishment, hear clear cut the whole field -- >> a race to 43%. >> laura: he's afraid of competition? rubio, kasich, all of them gone. unfair criticism. he took care of them and clear cut the field. by the way, should new information because i cling to retract his plea deal? is that even possible? information that can change everything next. ." i say, "i'll go my own way, with anoro." ♪ go your own way once-daily anoro contains two medicines called bronchodilators that work together to significantly improve lung function all day and all night. anoro is not for asthma.

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i was up the middle of the night lastht in bed on my phone, which you are not supposed to do and i was reading your piece, which is really sad. but it was good because i learned a lot. but mike flynn, we are led to believe he lied he lied about his contact with russia, now we find out with the white house account making a memo to the file in february, that might not have been true. >> you and i have talked about how james comey, fbi director at the time, told congress that the agents who interviewed flynn did not think he lied. what we learned now is everybody in the white house knew that in real time that basically flynn had told people that the fbi agency told him that not only did they think he had not lied but they thought they were winding this down. you can say maybe we should entrust flynn on this, but it's consistent with what comey told

the house and senate. it also means on february 14th last year when james comey wrote that memo about meeting with the president and the president said, i hope you can see your way to letting this go, letting this flynn thing go, it appears the president, one, near the fbi didn't think h had and, two, thought the investigation was all but over. >> laura: so you cannot obstruct a investigation that is all but over, so why do we say let it go, what was he letting go of the investigation was over? >> if it's all but over -- come on, wrap this thing up, please. >> laura: white house counsel toward the president and shared what happened with the president, correct? >> absolutely. talked about meeting with the president. >> laura: mike flynn pleads guilty to false statements because he wants to avoid -- this happens all the time. jail for his son? going bankrupt, family

difficulties? is that what we think happened? >> we should say we are speculating about this. flynn has not said a word about this that i'm aware of. dependence will have pleaded guilty or waiting sentences usually do not talk. >> laura: i have to ask you this. can michael flynn withdraw from a plea deal, if indeed this went down as we think it went down, comey confirms it, mcgann confirms it in this memo to the file. what gives here? >> absolutely, it's unusual. but prior to sentencing in the interest of justice, the lawyers for flynn can convince the judge that the predicates for a guilty plea, which the judge's obligation to find out, whether the person is pleading guilty voluntarily without duress, that's one factor here that you just mentioned that's potentially a factor. number two, the predicate fact for the guilty plea, it's not for the judge to accept someone's guilty plea if the

facts are not there. at the facts are not there, this is a judge who has recently after the plea order the government to disclose the brady evidence, the exculpatory evidence to the flynn team. that indicates to me that the judge has a question as to the predicate facts. now it's up to flynn's lawyers to tell the judge that the plea is not judged on full information. >> i have a question. can the judge decide to reopen this? can he or she do that? >> it has happened as well. for example, or a judge has a concern about adequacy of counsel or may be the mental fitness of a defendant typically where that happens. but i think that was a hint. a lot of us raise the eyebrows, make sure you give over the evidence. maybe there is a -- -- >> laura: it's getting very interesting.

i want to talk about the pardon issue, because that has taken everybody's attention now. since yesterday when rudy giuliani, he gives an appearance. he does manage to monopolize the narrative. chris christie heard what rudy said about, yes, the president can pardon, but he's not going to do that. the absolute authority, this is what happened on abc. let's watch. >> we will have to open up the possibility of the president pardoning himself even though he does not expect to do it, he does have the right to do it. >> there's no way that will happen. it then becomes a political problem, george. if the president were to pardon himself, he would get impeach. >> laura: why are we even talking about this, why am i talking about it? this is how the media -- they follow it down this rabbit hole there may there is a method to the madness of giuliani getting people on this? i don't know. >> back in the campaign, republicans were saying if hillary clinton were elected, she would have to pardon

herself. marco rubio actually said that at one of the debates as a matter of fact. >> laura: weird headline, let's show that on the screens. "if hillary is indicted, president clinton could pardon herself and congress might be helpless." 's the headline. there it is! that's the headline. a great thing about the internet. you can look up these headlines. i have to play for you, speaking of rudy, he was on cnn tonight with this back and forth. let's watch. >> why you tnk they chose to lie about his role in drafting this statement about trump issuing his meeting with the russians? >> that's the danger. you can make a mistake -- please let me finish. >> go ahead. >> you can make a mistake and then if you don't -- if you want to, you can say -- it was a mistake! i swear to god, it was a mistake. he made a mistake. i stand corrected. >> laura: they hammered sarah huckabee sanders today on this question at the briefing.

what of this? i mean, initially the president was involved in the response of his son, now apparently he dictated his response. >> there is an inconsistency that rudy was pointing out there that doesn't mean there is a lie. it simply means there is an inconsistency. exhibit a for a while you do not fall into the democratic trap of even opening up this issue is general flynn that we just spoke about. there could be a question posed a while without the significance being down, then all of a sudden it turns into a major federal crime because there was a witch hunt going on. i think that's what it is issue not a great thing, but it is important to clean it up, hopefully his current counsel is giving him the correct advice on how to do that. >> laura: vibrant, we don't have enough time, but this is w. smiling off on all the pardons. >> the position was it was not a lie. but if it was a lie, it's only to "the new york times," and that's not a lie. >> laura: they lie to us all the time and that does not really matter.

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>> laura: the supreme court ruled today in favor of a colorado baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple. but the high court didn't address the larger issue of religious liberties versus individual rights. let's discuss today's 7-2 decision with former arkansas governor mike huckabee and law

professor mark ramsey, president of the second fund for religious liberty. great to see both of you. you are not wild about this decision. and i know it's because justice kennedy, we call him amk at thee initial, kennedy wrote the opinion. why are you not thrilled? >> it's not that i'm unhappy. i think it was a great decision for the baker. it was a good first step. the court didn't really get into the religious liberty, but it is very significant that it recognized that the government had overreached and had essentially told someone who has is a creator, an artist, the government cannot tell an artist what kind of art to produce. it would've been different, laura, how they said, you know, the baker wouldn't sell anything in his bakery to people who were. but that wasn't the issue. he was open for business, but he wasn't going to create something

that violated his conscience. by the way, he didn't create certain things at halloween either because it violated his conscience. this was a good decision. it could have been better. it certainly was an important decision and a very vital first step to stay that you cannot have a government just telling people what they will believe and how they will practice their craft. the government doesn't have that kind of power. >> laura: this is what justice thomas, mike looks and full disclosure, he wrote a concurrence in the judgment. he wrote the following. the majority -- we cannot stigmatize gay americans. when the court affirmed whites are premise to burn a cross or conduct a rally on martin luther king's birthday or circulate a film banishing

weapons. i want you to decide, respond to this, mr. ramsey. the justice is right they weren't cbout stigma then. justice kennedy -- he was playing pretty soft on this. i think this is a very clear-cut case. >> i think is a clear cut case and i agree with governor huckabee that this is a really good first step. here's what happened in the decision. justice kennedy said for seven members of the court, pretty broad agreement, that when the government says that your religious beliefs are illegitimate or like racism, or you are wrong and need to be extinguished, then the government is violating the free exercise clause. i think what you are going to see is in a lot of these cases, that's precisely what the argument is. people pounding on the race card. this is just like racism. this is like supporting the holocaust. things like that. that kind of argument is gone and it's going to make government policy illegal. >> laura: there is very little guidance to the lower court. there's not a lot of guidance how you determine this expressive conduct.

i think a lot of gay americans are like, make me a cake. but this guy, he said he'll make cakes for showers who have, birthdays, other celebra he ally said that. a lot of people who just read the headlines didn't know that. this man was going to do lots of things for this couple. he was willing to do that. but just not the wedding cake. which i think tipped it over the edge for -- >> i think that tipped it over the edge. it makes it clear it's not about a cake. it's about some people trying to drive out religious believes that they think are illegitimate and wrong. it wasn't that people need a cake, they need a bouquet of flowers, they really is they want the government to drive up believes they do not like. >> laura: governor huckabee, when you think about religion in the united states today and how it is portrayed in the popular culture, how it seems to be demeaned, we look up at billboards at easter time or

christmas, is it a affront to christians -- i think they feel regulated, tolerated. it's like, the christians are not going to kick up a fuss. in this case, this figure decided, you know something? i'm not a bad person. i'm not going to be driven out of business, i'm going to fight for my right. a lot of other religious americans of faith have to be willing to fight for their own rights, just like gay people want to fight for their rights. doesn't make them bad people. >> god bless jack phillips to have the courageous courage ane tenacity to go through this. what are you going to do? are you going to tell an orthodox that runs a delicatessen that if somebody comes in and says i want bacon wrapped shrimp for mn that he has to do it? nobody thinks that is legitimat legitimate. why should a christian -- for that matter, a muslim, have to create something -- again, not something that is on a shelf that he regularly makes, but something that is a part of his

artistry, something that is above and beyond and is a unique creation for a specific occasion and a person in business should have a right to say that's not really within my creative capacity or it violates my convictions and conscious, and i simply cannot do it. i will help you find somebody else. >> laura: he was vilified. he received death threats. anyway, great conversation, guys. it was good, by the way, it was good that president trump sent national guard troops to the border? one of the nation's top experts in border security tells us why next.

>> laura: the head of the border patrol agents union was glad when president trump sent an additional 1600 national guard troops to the border. but now he calls it a colossal waste. he's here to tell us why, brendan judd. i saw your comments. i've got to get him in the studio appeared what's going on quick mike i was like, okay, this is good. reading in arizona, 1200 arrest because of border patrol getting help from the national guard. good stuff there. what gives? >> you've got to understand. i do not get to control the

headlines of print video or i get to control the context of putting in my quotes. i will say that my quotes were accurate except for maybe one. but that was a 17 minute conversation. >> laura: wasn't a colossal waste are not? >> no, it's not a colossal waste. the context of the competition was if we do not know that we are deploying our agents properly right now, we don't know if the national guard was needed. i have testified before congress, "the washington times" wrote a great article about how we are not deploying our troops properly, agents properly. if we don't know that, we don't know if the national guard was needed. ashe problem with the contact. >> laura: what about now? jerry brown does not want the national guard -- >> the national guard is needed. the national guard absolutely needed. what we have to know is the scope of the deployment, we have to use them properly, and if we are not using them properly -- be one who determines that? the head of the border control? >> the departmentf defense and department of homeland security.

>> laura: are they not coordinating enough? >> they are coordinating, but i have complete incompetence -- she is a great secretary. i do not have confidence in the obama holdovers, they are being promoted within our agency, giving us all the failed policies, they catch and release policy, the unsecured border, those individuals who are giving her the advice, we have issues with. >> laura: you are going to be at the white house tomorrow, the philadelphia eag are n coming. but you will still be able to get the president's ear on this. he watches the show occasionall occasionally. the homeland security said that while the national guard deployment has not reached full capacity, it clearly and in questionable been a success with thousands of additional apprehensions and drugs kept thf our country. i want to move to the jeff merkley's not that happened today, the democratic senator senator from oregon tries to enter a immigration center. let's watch. >> yes, can i go in with you?

>> no, sir. >> my team contacted this facility and ask for permission for me to come and see what is going on. i'll make inside with these children. that.do not haveny permission >> laura: the homeland security responded and they said at 2:00 p.m. friday, the senator asked to visit a dhs facility where children are present and we work with him to provide him access. this presented obvious and serious privacy concerns for the kids in there, not to mention disrupting operations. he was able to visit the facility on sunday. stunned, not stunned? >> it was a complete stop. he knew he was going to be turned away. just because you're a congressman or because you are an elected official does not give you the right you can do anything you want to do. >> laura: these people are okay with california not letting our officials, dhs officials, go into -- the tables are turned! >> of course. you expect that from the

democrats. we always expect that. >> laura: have fun at whhouse tomorrow. there is, like, a touch football game. >> my son can get out there. >> laura: going to get a hater on. we will be right back. stay with us. talk to your neighbor. are you watching the game tonight? or... ...you could just trust duracell. ♪

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warriors, amazing game last night. sports is important part dumb i part of the culture. shannon is a huge sports fan. >> shannon: i am all about the college football, though, and i'm counting down the d >> laura: have a great show. >> shannon: thank you, laura. this is a fox news alert. breaking news on the inspector general probe into the clinton email controversy. plus rudy giuliani speaking out again on the president's pardon power. and senator lindsey graham revealing the latest on his inquiry into whether deputy attorney general rod rosenstein should recuse himself from a special counsel probe. we've got news on that. plus, some are calling it a huge supreme court win for religious freedom but othersoint out that the cake is not totally baked yet. tony perkins from the family research council tells us where the fight goes from here on religious freedom. after the justices decide that the baker who refused to create a custom wedding cake for