consequences every day since. and i still believe this "me too" movement is long overdue and should be supported. >> we are always fair and balanced, but let not your heart be troubled, laura ingraham is next. next.i am 11 an d 12 >> laura: good evening from washington, this is "the ingraham angle." believe it or not, gennifer flowers joins us live for her first interview in years. she has a new bombshell allegation against bill clinton. you won't want to miss this. plus, president trump makes a statement by celebrating the nation instead of the national football league. but first, we have big breaking news from capitol hill. former fbi director andrew mccabe is offering commitment. former attorney general loretta lynch to testify when the ig

report on the hillary clinton email investigation is finally released. and catherine heritage is reporting this. the fbi espionage chief has been very cooperative with congressional investigators. the source says that struck play larger role than we thoughtally in the clinton email probe and the russian investigation. let's discuss all of this now with congressman ron desantis, democratic strategist richard goodstein and a former deputy assistant attorney general robert driscoll. gentlemen, it's great to see all of you. where e begin, let's start with this immunity plea for mccabe. every time you hear someone connected with trump who might want immunity, it's like, oh, my gosh, you want immunity, you must be guilty. what's going on here? james comey stood tall and was a model leader and now he wants immunity because he knows he's jeopardy with his conduct over this investigation, both the clinton and the trump investigation. i would not give him immunity, i would make him go, if he's going to plead the fifth amendment then he should plead the fifth amendment but the idea that he should get some type of get-out-of-jail-free card for this is not something the american people will want to see.

>> laura: richard? >> the president said in tweets about mccabe, lied, lied, i would not give him immunity. he will plead the fifth ma'am. idea he get getow of jail previous card is not nothing the american people want to see. the president said in tweets about mc cape, lied, lied, lied. he called mccabe a loser. class classic move. lied. he called his wife a loser, classic move. big -- >> we have very limited time, i

want to keep us focused on the former deputy attorney general wanting immunity. if he had nothing to hide a company if he was a bore and had information to release to the media, why was he asking for immunity? >> that's all i'm saying. when the president asked for the fifth amendment, please bring that back. >> laura: when is e esident asking for the fifth amendment? >> here's what i mean. if you have an president that issues pardons willy-nilly, mccabe would be out of his mind not to seek immunity when you have somo is at the top of the justice department. >> laura: richard come his own lawyer is saying he's concerned. >> he should be concerned when he has the president going after people like crazy. >> laura: this is a criminal referral, though that was made by the inspector general. the inspector generally the predicate for this. i get it that you don't like trump. it's a big nation and i'm glad we have opinions on the show. but this is essional inspector general,

called his credibility and he basically said he was prevaricating, to put it kindly. now he has been asked to testify robert, you can chime in, you have experienced, and he wants immunity. this is a wild series of developments that we have had with the former fbi deputy director. >> and smart move by his lawyer because if he gets immunity by judiciary than he is free from 'd ratr han by doj. embarrassment then due time. it's always a trade-off between transparency and justice when the congressional committees and doj are deciding whether or not to grant immunity. everything he knows and everyone will hear it. i think the chairman would have to weigh that against waiting to see what happens in the day-to-day prosecution which would take additional months.

>> i think also, does he have evidence, there are at least some reports suggesting that he may have affirmative evidence. comey said he didn't authorize that so if he was producinging >> laura: but he always backs up comey. before, when the trump conversation with comey at the white house, he basicall it, he basically said to me what he put in his memothe file. >> on the leak, you said he approved it and he said he didn't approve it so they are in direct disagreement about that. so this ig report, the president obviously very frustrated. again, i wouldn't be tweeting about why it was delayed but the president is going to tweet. but on the issue of the ig report, why do you think this is delayed? we keep hearing is going to be out every day. >> that's a problem, laura, we

have a bureaucracy that is not accountable to everybody. so we had all these major problems and the democrats were the ones who wanted the report. if it takes a year and a half to conduct an investigation it's not just -- you need a speedy trial, you need a speedy resolution. shows 500 pages, could that request for immunity have some relevance here in this delay in the inspector general report? >> i think people are over blowing the delay. when the report is done, everyone represents someone who has been mentioned in that report, they get to review it alone in a room and not take it with them and they have a week to get back with any comments to the ig who then decides whether or not to take them into account, or not. so the fact that two weeks after it's done is about on time -- i'd be concerned if it took another weekight abis when it should be coming out, in my experience, from when the report is done to

when you work through that process. this is the circumstance and there are lots of high-powered lawyers involved and making objections. >> laura: a lot of lawyers make a lot of money here. >> i want this to come out as soon as possible but i have different reasons. one i think we will hear what rudy giuliani was getting away of the southern district from fbi agents which allowed them to basically say before it happened that the second comey letter was going to come out. second, i think we will see that he acted inappropriately but in ways that help the trump campaign. he sat on information about the russian investigation, and the trump campaign, and he was way out there in ways that broke the rules both in july and october i what he said about the hillary email investigation. so, i'm with you. i agree, i hope it comes out tomorrow. >> laura: what do you guys think about this new text? it's a text between peter strzok and lisa page.

now we learned this today because this was released as part of the 500 pages of text released by the senate today. here's what this looks like. it says, he will get our lures are approved, which is fbi lingo for spies. so the question tonight, with these spies potentially sent in to target the trump campaign going back to december o15? and if so, that could be fairly explosive, could it not, congressman? because comey said, this investigation began in july. july 31st of 2016. that text, again, and we will learn more, and the house is not exactly where the senate is on this. but when you read that text, it certainly appears that they were looking to put more lures into the campaign in 2015. several people are reporting this tonight and we will learn

more, i believe. but what do we think about that? why did they redact that word? it initially came out and it is like, oops, it says lures there. >> so the question is why would that have been rejected? is hathat referring to a foreign spy. i think this idea that cross fire hurricane start this on july 31st,that's not tr. you had comey, mccabe and lynch deciding not to brief trump in april when they were supposedly concerned about carter page. you had stefon halper reaching out to the campaign before that so this did not just start on the 31st of july. comey testified. >> i think he has exposure as a result of that testimony. i don't think he was telling the truth there. >> so is there any way he wouldn't have known, if this is true, that it started earlier? perhaps in may? so he is like the head of counterintelligence and peter

strzok west's number two. basically said strzok was basically the main guy in both the hillary and the russian collision investigation. obviously he wanted hillary as president and hated trump with a passion but, he traveled to london in may of 2016. that was, again, two months before the cross fire hurricane 'm going to disagree w the congressman element here. what's twisted about this is at the end of the day, strzok drafted the comey letter before the election. he also said bad things about ernie, chelsea and holder, in addition to trump. the same things that marco rubio and ted cruz were saying during the campaign. the fact is, fbi, when you look back, they helped trump by sitting sitting on information about him. >> the reason they put the letter out was to protect their own behind. strzok wanted to protect his behind and comey's behind.

but once he came out and gave the press conference, a kind of had to give the letter. >> laura: we will learn more but they redacted the lures. again, lingo for e the word spies but they use that word. noncontiguous unidentified informants. so, that acronym, and then lures was unredacted. so again, you get all of our lures approved? i love the little smiley face. and you know, it goes on from >> i think the timeline is the most damaging thing here because people are using a bureaucratic term when they say come investigation wasn't open. while that means nothing if there was investigative activity going on before the investigation was opened.

so even the fbi said, some of these contacts from our informants/spies occurred well, it's kind of like,igation. create the earth? who created that, who created that? but some what he has to approvbe this thing was supposed to have begun kind of sort of when that list of trump foreign policy sors, national security advisors came out, carter page and george papadopoulos, their names were on it in the spring of 2016. but if this goes back to 2015 again, what were they worried about? i mean, strzok -- they were petrified of trump. who knows, maybe they thought he was going to catch on. >> one of the pages in the text was, potus wants to know everything we are doing. ja everwhat did obama know about this? >> can we just are never that we

have had a whole segments on shows like this about the strzok secret society come about strzok lost emails? let's try to figure out tly -- i agree we need to get to the bottom of this. >> laura: i'm putting caveats aim, and i agree with you but those are technical acronyms that are used within the bureau. those aren't love messages between the two of them. i'm sure people are fascinated by those, but those are technical terms. so it seems like, did you get approval for these lures? and, waiting for the answer. >> but there were pies. there was one guy that made a couple of approaches to people that were targeted by cia and fbi. are >> laura: we know it was not just carter page >> oneour people have ephen miller being in that same event papadopoulosd here's the thing. in "the new york times" and their big article, they said at least one person so there is the possibility that there was more

than just stuff on the halter. >> so it looks like they were o get alof the ex-ascent nationalists. stephen miller is really a russian plant. but again, the timeline is is important because we don't have documents, do we? we don't have a lot of fbi documents from that time. before july 31st. that's why you are gradually getting the text. >> we heard from papadopoulos and others that the russians were trying to get dirt on hillary, one person in the trump campaign went to the u.s. authorities, not one. that's a fact. >> laura: do you think this papadopoulos -- this character accompanies trolling bars in london and going to trump tower and saying, i'm going to set up this. alexandriaed i never heardut mails i heard dirt.

>> australian ambassador. the deck of car in leak. upon next the reason the ats big term election dream might be turning to kind of a night marry, don't go away.

>> laura: the headless useman. that's the focus of tonight's angle. if you are wondering whether the democrats are on the verge of blowing what is traditionally a huge opportunity to pick up seats in the midterm election cycle, you might be onto something. normally the party in power loses seats in the cycle following an election. so democrats thought picking up dozens of going to be pretty easy. all they needed to do was to run against trump. nationalize the election, on the house majority would be there. but now, they must confront or try to distract from trump's stellar economic record. now they are in a difficult spot because they have to convince voterso te again the own pocket books this fall. that's a tough climb. but let's ask a few fundamental questions here. what is the future of the democratic party?

and who will lead it? massachusetts democrat congressman seth moulton addressed the question on msnbc earlier today. >> who is the leader of the democratic party? >> who is the leader of the democratic party? that's who she asked. >> does my silence say something? that's the challenge that we have right now, i don't think that people are looking at pelosi, all due respect to her, and saying here is the future of our party. >> so who is the future of the democratic party? he's honest there. let me think, california senator kamala harris. >> if you had to be stuck in a elevator with either president trump, or jeff sessions, who would it be? >> does one of us have to come out alive? >> what about new jersey senator cory booker? >> why is it so disturbing for

me, why am i frankly seething with anger is to mark your assignments in your amnesia is colicity. >> laura: he's very angry. what about massachusetts on her and her elizabeth warren? >> my aunt bea has walked by that picture at least a thousand times and it remarked that her father had a high cheekbones like all of the indians do. >> laura: or joe biden? yes, i said amtrak joe biden who is touring the country on a book tour. >> good to see you. god love you, what i'm i talking about? you cannot go to a 7-eleven or dunkin' donuts unless you have . >> i wish you were in junior high so i could take him behind the gym. and punch him in the mouth.

>> laura: i was in the car earlier and i was screaming if you are in a bad mood, watch joe biden on youtube. we've been told that trump uses olent rhetoric, but biden is always ready to punch someone else. rtz is rtey mulling a move into politics. >> it concerns me that so many voices within the democratic party are going so far to the left.i asd how are we going to pay for all these things in terms of things like single pay or people espousing the fact that the government will give everyone a job? i think we have to get away from all of these falsehoods and a start talking about the truth and not false promises. >> okay but there's only one problem for democrats. has been speaking truth and has been delivering real promises, as president.

now he is connected with the forgotten voters that the democrats now seek and he has actually made their lives better. trump's real clear politics approval rating average is now 4.6%. unemployment is at its lowest level in 17 years, and the rcp politics average on the direof the country, that the country is going in, it is up to nearly 40% up from 27% two years ago under obama. so all that's left for the democrats to prattle on about our all these side issues. the cable newsp, irrelevant to the lives of most people. but do americans really care about whether a cabinet secretary bought a used mattress of the trump hotel? or whether jerry krishna got security clearance or the endless speculation about the whereabouts of the first lady after surgery? if you are like most people, you care about pocketbook issues. your safety, and your culture

and decline all around you, and your children. all the things that trump is fearlessly addressing and winning on. so the left gripes and moans about the only things they have left to them which is basicay the small stuff. it's meant to distract the president and lure him onto turks. it is not working. they will need a new game plan if they are getting to the two big things that the democrats lack. a leader, and an agenda. and that's the angle. let's discuss this with monica crowley, senior fellow at the london policy research, and chris hawn, former made it tosee all right chris, i have at it because it's your party and you will cry if you want to. go ahead.

>> well look. we didn't know that donald trump would leave the republican party two and a half years ago, and look what happened. we never knew that barack obama would lead the democratic party in the midterms of 2006 and the democrats what the power in 2006. the republicans swept the power in 2010 with the tea party movement that had nothing to do with one individual republican and i truly believe that in this midterm election, you will see the democrats ke great waves, not because of some big national leader that they pick but because individual candidates running in races are going to show how the trump agenda is not doing what he promised. and also, remember this. a lot of people who support donald trump, even if they like him right now, there's a good percentage of people who still dot wae congress that will put a proper check on him and that's what they will vote for in november. >> laura: and frank? >> your introduction is a best one that i have seen. you don't even need us. number one, nancy pelosi is the most unpopular don't politician today.

number two, the democrats can't point to anything they've actually done. and number three come up with the economy as strong as it is, i'm surprised you talk about the tax cuts because with every month people realize they are keeping more money in their pockets. when you give them three reasons to vote republican, all the g.o.p. has to do is two things. one is getting a vote on speaker before election day to force the democrats action in the second is, one more piece of legislation such as a job requirement for food stamps. that's a kind of thing that makes a difference. >> monica, this is doug schon, and he worked tirelessly. right after that 94 a new gingrich historic win, and he said this last night. >> let me say it bluntly. the democratic party is in a civil war between the moderates, a shrinking group that i speak for and represent in my own way, and the use urging progressives who represent basically

socialism and a series of policies that guarantees outcomes rather than opportunities. >> laura: i mean, is that fair? robert schultz sounded kind of moderate and that sound bite, he said we can't keep spending money we don't have and he sounded more like bill clinton frankly then he did someone like cory booker or elizabeth warren. >> if howard schultz decides to run the company will get run over like a mack truck because the broader ophthalmic democratic party is barack obama's party. as we talk about the democratic party having any natural leaders, given that bill clinton just blew himself up and mrs. clinton is still whining, why me? the de facto leader remains barack obama. it is his ideology that is guiding this party and anybody who wants to have any success in the party has got to be a member of the radical left.

that does not translate into widespread electoral success in this country. obama was the exception to the rule. he was an extraordinary candidate and what we have seen since then is that that coalition that he put toer, the one that one for him in 2008 and again in 12 was unique to him. mrs. clinton couldn't recreate it and certainly nobody else on the democratic side could. >> laura: they have the gun-control kids that are out there, they are going on and doing all sorts of stuff. they say they have energy and mojo and they are turning out to vote. chris matthews made some interesting comments about creeping elitism in your party. let's watch. >> a true democrat, lowercase d, thinks they know better than anyone else. and they start to think of themselves as one of them, instead of being better than them. but let's get back to the party of the people. and they are not there yet. there are too many elitism's. it's so outrageous.

>> that's the old bubble of, the late tom wolf said america is in the middle, the coast of the parentheses. and i think he knows what he's talking about. >> i think you could find that in any party, and everything that doug schoen said in the clip, i could show you a clip from 2010 that says the same thing about the republican party. >> right, that's why we have donald trump and his historic victory. >> we have the situations where, there is an insurgent's coming on right there in the democratic party. it slightly to the left of where it's been and that will have to bring a lot of energy with it and it will sweep the power. we will have our own will legal marts get elected that year and people will say, how is that person a congressperson. but watch it, it will happen. >> i say the people in montana that were supposed to stand up and be this big moderate force,

they are not the cool crowd in the democrat party. they're kind of like the ugly stepchildren of the democrat party. that's my sense, but you are out there polling. >> i will give you specifics. joe kennedy, he is a whole generation younger than nancy pelosi. what would happen if they put him up as a leader, or joe crowley from new york? but democrats have a whole generation that are waiting to come through and she won't give up and that's a big mistake for them. on the senate side, democrats had a significant opportunity to pick up as many as three or four seats and they are not going to this time. i actually think that now if you look at the generic numbers, the republicans are in a better position today than they have been in any time in the last 11 months. but i will tell you that the g.o.p. is putting together the ingredients for that success but what they better not do is they better not divide themselves and to better focus on the economy. >> but look -- i know what you

are about to say. >> yes, mitch mcconnell on the recess. monica has to get a word in here. but canceling the august recess, i've been begging them to do thisons monica, that's exactly -- we are doing the people's biness so they can do whatever they are going to do. >> yes and i think he made absolutely the right moves today and i hope and pray that they follow through on it and actually do work through august. you will recall laura that last year senator mcconnell made the same move and said it, we are going to work for two weeks through august. they didn't even last through the first thursday of the first week. so i hope that they mean what they say on this and that they will be there and they will confirm the president's nominees and get the spending bill through. >> they are staying but they are not staying just to confirm, they are staying to watch the president. they are very concerned about what the president may or may

not do >> that's not it at all. >> i think that if your job is to make stuff up, make up something believable. >> mcconnell will be on our show exclusively tomorrow night so we will talk about all of this. it could be an amnesty deal in the making, who knows. stay right there, fantastic panel, all of you. we will have some other breaking ws now on bill clinton in just a moment when gennifer flowers joins me for her first interview in six years. wait until you hear what she is now ready to reveal next.

>> laura: bill clinton is stumbling as he tries to explain his past in the "me too" era. on he lost his cool yesterday on the today show he was flustered again lastwe night when claiming he doesn't owe her a face-to-face apology. >> i apologize to my family, to

monica lewinsky and her family and to the american people before a panel of ministers in the white house, which was widely repor >> i can barely hear him anymore. tonight, he will have something else to explain because gennifer flowers has a shocking revelation and it joins us now for an exclusive interview. her first in six years. gennifer, it's great to see you. i know this must have been wild >> great to be with you you. for atch ts over the last few days, all over again. first, your initial reaction to watching him. he clearly had the body language, arms crossed, and he was very angry that this rerter asked him kind of some fairly logical questions i would imagine. >> right. while my first impression was he is not as good of a liar as he is to be, or not on his game

where that is concerned. i think bill is afraid. and i am advocating that bill be prosecuted for his sex cri just like harvey weinstein has been arrested and bill cosby is about to be sentenced. why not a bill clinton? he's nervous. that's why he is acting that way, and probably has some health problems and it has affected histy to respond as well as he used to and tell lies as good as he is two. >> laura: if you are a young woman, 27 years old when he first got involved with him. he was married and that you were not, and you started having this relationship. at some point, you have now decided that it became a nonconsensual harassment relationship, which doesn't really comport with how you were originally classified this. so now how are you all these years later claiming that it was nonconsensual at some point?

>> it's very interesting because in 1977 when i met ll didn't have the laws to protect us. we as women, i was in the work world and i had to do that could. when i first met bill clinton it was when i was sent out on my first story by myself after my training with my camera man. he came out on to me that night, i told him to knock it off. he proceeded to continue to come onto me for three months before i decided that i wanted to have a relationship with him, which at that point was consensual. in today's standards, and in hindsight, it was definitely sexual harassment. i was a little bit ashamed to admit that because in a way, i felt guilty because i was a willing participant, at a point. so i felt guilty about saying that i was sexually harassed in the beginning. but it definitely was,

absolutely. and then -- >> laura: when he is they want him prosecuted -- >> why not? >> laura: for sexual harassment, that's a civil case. for criminal prosecution -- >> he juanita. i've met her, she's a beautiful person. like hillary i wanted to be in denial, i wanted deny these things could happen because i felt like that wasn't the person that i had known. but when i met her the first time and realize that she was a very genuine person and had no reason to lie about that, i had to come to terms with the fact that he was very capable and it did do that. why shouldn't he be prosecuted for rate as bill cosby has, and harvey weinstein?

why shouldn't he be? why don't they arrest hillary as a coconspirator because she she has allowed him -- she has been the person that has let him go. and be the enabler that has let him go and do what he has done to women. >> laura: by the way, we reached out to the clinton foundation come to bill clinton's personal attorney david kendall about this story and about your new allegations, and we did not get a response, so we did attempt to do that. >> of course not. >> laura: i want to play a snippet from bill clinton, this was also from the new york event last night. let's watch. >> i support the "me too" movement, and i think it's long lways tried to is supported in the picies i've advanced. >> laura: while he says he

generally supports the movement, gennifer, and he wants people to believe him at this point. >> that's the fourth biggest lie, and you know some of what the others are. he would say that, of course. what would he say that but that he was a in support of it. i would like for the "me too" movement to recognize myself and paula and wanita and other women that many, many years ago have come up with claims of sexual harassment by bill clinton. we are the "me not" movement is what we are. >> laura: why do you say that? seems like the clinton a

bullet proof. thingsnd this is just with stance othat. he hasn't been held accountable. >> laura: i think the "me too" movement, lots of good stuff going on but sadly a lot of it is politicized. kind of like wanting a broad record, they don't count. people like kathleen willey, they don't count. how are you doing, by the way, w are you doing after all these years? you look great, by the way. >> gennifer: thank you, and god bless you. i love you by the way. i'm doing fine, i'm doing a reboot of my book. i lost my mother in july of last year, so that has been a huge thing to overcome. but i'm doing good, thanks for asking. and thanks for having me. >> laura: absolutely, gennifer. we appreciate your perspective. the clintons never seem to go

away, and we do appreciate it. president trump reminded the nation today why we stand for the national anthem. when we come back, the real story behind the canceled eagles white house visit.

>> laura: and president trump celeed america instead of the super bowl champions at the white house today.

the presidenphiladelphia eaglesr learning that only a few players plan to attend. >> president trump: we stand to honor our military and honor our country and remember the fallen heroes who never made it back home. we stand together for freedom, we stand together for patriotism and that we proudly for our glorious nation, under god. >> laura: we should note that fox is reporting that no eagles kneeled during the protest during the national anthem last year, although some did raise their fists. but today we did learn about a new timeline that suggests the eagles may have been trying to set the president up here. well fox news chief correspondent john roberts discovered the eagles appeared to be playing games of the administration. originalmitted me theagles 70 names to attend the event, mostly players. yesterday they said only two or

three people and the mascot in the costume would attend. the eagles even tried to reschedule for next we the whole wod knew the president is going to be in singapore. let's debate what's going on here with former g.o.p. presidential candidate herman cain and civil rights attorney a talk radio leo trel. all right, herman, the eagles did not kneel during the national anthem, which i think is a great thing. they did not kneel, a lot of them don't like president trump obviously but my view is, they should have just come to t e. you don't have to like everything president trump does. fans love to see you at the white house, it's a fun event and it's not political. your reaction? >> my reaction is, they were trying to embarrass the president. odinhe world knew at next week was focused on the summit between the usa and north korea.

to ask the president to reschedule is an oxymoron. the man is a little bit busy trying to run the country, trying to settle international affairs, so the whole thing in my opinion was to try and embarrass the president. i have been invited to the white house several times. each time i go. if you are invited, you go or you don't go. you don't say, could you take a rain check? that does not work. >> laura: right, it's not on your schedule. >> you change your schedule. he is the president of the united states and i happen to believe that they were trying to embarrass the president. he said, you are not going to embarrass me. you are uninvited and he had every right to do that because he is the head of the house for the united states of america. >> that sounds pretty reasonable. i mean president obama -- i

think of an entire team, basically an entire team did the same little thing was president obama, little trick, it's classless. and then it's like, oh yea, they are going. >> hears the following fact. jerry jones, sworn deposition. he stated very clearly that donald trump told him, this is the issue that he can't lose. he is using this flag issue to hijack the midterm election. you said earlier in your broadcast, donald trump talked about pocketbook issues. this is an issue, he is playing the american public on. there is no qution about it, this issue is about racial injustice. why is he spending time worrying about the nfl? i will tell you why because, it resonates with people because he hijacked this issue. ask jerry jones. for him to single out the

philadelphia eagles who never kneeled during the regular season is outrageous. more importantly, ey are not going tohehisimple reason. they don't like the president. they have that right. >> laura: classless. leo, let's say, if you did it to president obama, i'd say the same thing. when the president of the united states invites an entire national -- not regional, national championship team to the white house, you do what nick sabin did with alabama, the crimson tide act. roll tide. the whole team goes, they stand and they are polite. they shake the president's hand. that's what you do. so i think a lot of these players are great guys, but this was classless. >> . there you go.

lyo police don't talk over me. allow me to talk,lyo. >> i did not talk over you. >>aura: he didn't, i probably did. jerry jones is not the president of the us. number two patriotism is not an option. he is the president of the united states and decided, you will not make patriotism an option in my house which i am the head of for the united stes of america. that is the point here. it has nothing to do later later quick. >> there you go. >> >> mr. kane -- it's my turn, hean. >> know it's not, i have not finished. >> he is a president but not a dictator. >> you are taking what i said -- >> laura: all right guys, this

is fascinating but we have to get to miss america. i have to be the time dictator. i love you both. miss america is next.

>> okay, the miss america beauty pageant will no longer be a auty pageant. it will be a competition.

the organization announced today in a statement, we are no longer a pageant. miss america will represent a new generation of female leaders focused on scholarship, social impact, talent and empowerment. but this competition will not include the swimsuit competition with the organization stating," will no longer judge our candidates on their outward physical appearance. well, let's debate this. medicine, a former miss ohio in the miss usa pageant. this is wild because, if, madison, outward appearance has no relevance whatsoever to this whole thing, then why don't you just do it like, on the radio? i host a radio show and a color made a comment today. i was screaming laughing. i was thinking, u don't have to do the makeup or the hair, you could just talk. >> they are exactly right, i'm not impressed with what miss america organization has

decided to do. when you look at the definition of pageant, it is a contest. of course outer beauty is not the same as in her beauty but it doesn't mean that outer beauty should not exist. women should be able to express themselves, have a positive body image and to show off their physical fitness. there is literally nothing left. evening gown can be anything you want. it can be any outfit. so, i didn't know that it was in the 90s that -- it was when the bikini started. so it was like 97 i think they started doing the pekingese, which you know, by men like it but it is a little much on the bikini. but the one piece, i thought that was pretty and dignified and also and attractive. but, this, is it the "me too"

thing, like don't hate us? >> i can't even keep up with the feminist part. the first thing everything was women should be empowered and be able to wear whatever they want and now they are saying women shouldn't be able to wear whatever they want. i can't keep up, it's ridiculous and totally off base. i don't think they are making a positive impact on the "me too" movement. >> and they are casting aspersions on people like you. now you were miss ohio, and you just took the bar, pass the bar, congratulations. so many people in these pageants and competitions go on to do incredible things, maybe they are professional moms or doctors, lawyers. but just because you are attractive doesn't mean you also don't have all these other things you want to do in life. >> exactly. it should never be mutually exclusive and that's i think what they are trying to make it. >> is there a real rivalry

between them miss america people and the usa people? >> the joke has always been come miss america is the girl next door ms usa as the girl you wish and lived next door. that's all i have to say on that, so there is definitely a rivalry here. because you will be a huge success, it's great to have you on. we will be right back. just like us. and just like that we felt a little less alone. but then something happened. we had to deal with spam, fake news, and data misuse. that's going to change. from now on, facebook will do more to keep you safe and protect your privacy. because when this place does what it was built for, then we all get a little closer. ..

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