>> tucker: amazing how fast that went. a metaphor for life. that's it, tune in every day to the show that is the sworn enemy of lying pomposity, smugness and groupthink. sean hannity next from new york city. >> sean: all right, breaking right now, a date has been set for the release of the inspector general's report that in fact will examine the 2016 clinton server investigation. big news tonight, a huge fight breaking out earlier today between the doj and rob rosenstein after documents were promised a congress that were supposed to be delivered this morning, and they were not handed over. just as we predicted, i believe and i'm suspicious that they are bearing the report of the ig in the wake of the president's historic summit in singapore. two days later, i'm suspicious. so what are the doj and fbi

hiding? in moments we will answer questions. also tonight, we have brand-new development surrounding president trump's upcoming historic summit with kim jong un. many around the world are tonight hopeful that the united states of america could in fact be inching closer to peace on the korean peninsula. meanwhile, the mainstream media in this country has been rooting against the president's efforts from the very beginning. let's see, we will have peace there may be peace in the middle east after that. we can all hope. one particularly deranged mainstream media host actually pushing the most bizarre conspiracy about the president and the white house, we will tell you all about it. also, many in the media spinning in circles over me. yours truly. they lost their minds last night and we will tell you how revealing it actually was essentially one of the most played examples of fake news this entire year.

and good news from alice johnson. this is a great story. great grandmother experience and freedom in over 20 years granted clemency by president trump. and even more good news on the economy tonight. we will have all of this and more. buckle up, an amazing night and opening news monologue. this is great news, the date has been set in the inspector general michael horowitz anticipates the release of his all-important report, this has gone on 18 months and the data set for next thursday, one week from tonight. for weeks we have been predicting that these findings what effect be buried and released when all eyes would be fixed on the president's historic meetings in singapore. sadly, i think my prediction was somewhat right and it's only two days after this big summit takes place. and then of course this will be released. what has the justice department potentially redacted or changed? they've had it for over two weeks now, did they alter any

language? how will the american people, will they get the truth in all of this? will they be prevented from seeing the truth? in other words, are we going to get unfettered contents of inspector general horowitz's report? next week on hannity we will be analyzing that report page by page on what will be one of the most consequential days in modern history. that is two days of course after the summit. sorry, i am suspicious and hopefully i will be stand corrd next week. one good development to report, the inspector general horowitz is set to testify before the senate the monday following the thursday release, and of course all of this on the heels of a nonstop effort that we have seen by congress, by the department of justice to congress to obstruct congress from doing its constitutional duty. and that his oversight in their investigations. according to senator grassley's office, the doj is now refusing

to make documents and at least one witness available for their oversight into the fbi's ongoing general flynn investigation. add to this the doj constant slow walking of those documents to all the house committee is, the house intelligence committee, the oversight committee. sarah carter will take down i can tell you all about a huge fight earlier today and how the doj has reneged earlier this morning on a previous commitment to supply documents that are related to the investigation. the big battle, it ended up that the department of justice now added unprecedented new rules on how they plan to brief members of congress. what we need is for you, the american people come up to be able to see it for yourself. yesterday we reported on how rob rosenstein arrogantly rebuffed senator lindsey graham in his letter demanding to know why the head of the mueller in the investigation has not renounced

himself. including his key role in in te decision to fire james comey periods witness number one in that case and of course, he was the person that signed off on the third subsequent renewal application as it relates to the pfizer warrant that of course was spying on a trump campaign associate. senator graham is responding. >> are you satisfied with whether rob rosenstein had been recused? >> no. you talk about a counterintelligence investigation and i get that. the question is, the obstruction of justice. they need to take a serious look as to whether or not it was an obstruction of justice by firing him. he's a fine guy and i have nothing against him. i think he is doing a good job. i understand why jeff sessions can't do this. i'm really curious as to how rosenstein could be involved in overseeing this investigation if he's going to be a witness. >> sean: we will have more on this throughout the show but, first we have an and extremely

important bit of news. the president's historic impending trip to singapore just days away from holding these talks with the north korean dictator, kim jong un. they are going to talk about the complete and total denuclearization of the korean peninsula. all of that is on the line. earlier today, the president gave a preview of the upcoming trip. >> president trump: i hope the upcoming meeting in singapore represents the beginning of a bright new future for north korea, and indeed, a bright new future for the world. the denuclearization of the korean peninsula would usher in a new era of prosperity, security, and peace for all koreans, north and south. and for people everywhere. we could absolutely sign an agreement. we are looking at it and talking about it with them, talking about it with a lot of other people. that could happen, but that's really the beginning. it sounds a little bit strange

but that's probably the easy part. the hard part remains after that. maximum pressure is absolutely ineffective. we don't use the term anymore because we are going into a friendly negotiation. perhaps after that negotiation, i will be using it again. he will know how well we do in the negotiation, if you hear me saying we are going to use a maximum pressure, then you know the negotiation did not go well. >> if the summer dumb acts on go well will you invite kim jong un to the united states? speak to the answer is yes to the second part of your question, certainly if it goes well. and i think it would be well received and i think he would look at it very favorably, so i think that could have been. all i can say is i'm totally prepared to walk away. i did it once before. you have to be able to walk away. i really believe that we have the potential to do something incredible for the world. it's my honor to be involved.

>> sean: the secretary of state mike pompeo has paid plaa very important role in these discussions that lead up to all this and he weighed in on these upcoming talks. let's take a look. >> the fact that our two leaders are coming to the table shows the two sides are very serious. the diplomatic model we use today is different from past efforts. our efforts give us hope that we can find real success where past efforts have fallen short. president trump is hopeful. but, he's also going into the summit with his eyes wide open. we have seen how many inadequate agreements have been stuck in the past. you can be sure that president trump will not stand for a bad deal. >> sean: here we are only days away from diplomatic progress. the former president obama frankly only dreamed of and the majority of americans, are responding overwhelmingly now supporting the president's upcoming summit. all of this after the mainstream media doubted. there was fearmongering, talks

of nuclear war, and in a sad way, i think many, because i don't like president trump and they want the democrats to win, actually rooting against the president success here. that's not for the country. take a look. >> the idea of a nuclear showdown with north korea keeps you up at night, i'd recommend deleting your twitter app. >> is not being cavalier about nuclear war companies being cavalier in a way that makes him seem demented. >> these are messages from a leader who is not fit for office. >> president trump is goading kim jong un to test a nuclear missile again, to prove its reliability, to show him wrong. and fundamentally, i think it comes across as to kindergartners who are jostling each other, except each has nuclear weapons. >> it was too late, after 100,000 americans died. for after a million died. >> and that's where we are, this is not an exaggeration.

>> sean: trumps comments about nuclear weapons have experts worry that he could inadvertently trigger a catastrophe. typical conspiracy theory. these nuclear test so far, let's go through this. no more missiles fired over japan, guam is not being threatened and route the region is not being threatened. we do have three american hostages, thank god they are home and have been freed. what you saw was just fake news, we watched kim jong un walk across the dmz right into the arms of the south korean president, and the dismantling of one of his nuclear test sites. because this is 1 of 3 egregious examples of fake news that we are highlighting tonight. here's number two. over there, conspiracy tv, msnbc, there you go. they can't help themselves. usually mika spencer morning pushing theories about the presidents mental health with of course joe scarborough, who is the liberal.

but today she ventured out on her own and floated this insane rumor. >> i will tell you a couple of things. first of all, the hypocrisy is astounding because i know someone who spoke to donald trump recently about life in the white house, and it donald trump's biggest complaint was that he is not allowed to watch in the white house. >> i bet they have those 1900 numbers blocked, too. >> i'm not really sure. >> sean: are you proud of that? does this is what is so called news over there at 30 rock? this is so insane, honestly, i can't even bother. let's go to our third. yesterday on my radio show, i made what are obviously sarcastic remarks highlighting a clear double standard as it

relates to our justice system. equal justice under the law, equal application of our nation's law. laws, and i was talking about hillary clinton and comparing hurts to what she did for those that have been targeted by mueller's witch hunt. >> maybe mueller's witnesses, i don't know. if i advised them to delete all of your emails and then asked to wash the emails on your hard drives and phones, then take your phones and bash them with a hammer, use bleach bit, take the same card, then hand the pieces to robert mueller and say, and hillary rodham clinton, this is equal justice under the law. how do you think that would work? i'm certain the result would not be the same as hillary's. mueller wants everyone cell phones. my advice to him would be, not

really, i'm kidding, bad advice. follow hillary's leader. >> sean: i said it, if words actually mattered. if i told them. believe it or not, the insane left-wing media in this country, headline after headline. they picked up these comments. they are so dumb and gullible. they had a full on, i can only describe as a fake news freak out. look at "newsweek," sean hannity's advice to comey's witnesses, bashore home with the nonacademic phone with a hammer. from the business insider, sean hannity suggests that comey probe witnesses should destroy their evidence. and more fake news from the daily cost, channel sean hannis the law on tv telling witnesses to destroy evidence. and "vanity fair," sean hannity: trump associates, you are not obstructing justice hard enough.

bashore phones into pieces. "gq" got into the game. sean hannity encourages comey witnesses to do even more crimes than they have already committed. i could go on for another 20 minutes. but then that hysteria gets even worse. let's take a look at how andy lack's network handle this. >> sean hannity is now telling potential witnesses and subjects in the comey probe to destroy -- mueller probe to destroy their phones. they may call that sarcasm or poetic license, but words are words. sean hannity lives off of his words and we all know they have a huge impact. if anyone actually does what sean hannity says they are, they would be committing a crime. >> what sean hannity admitted to was, and enticing people to do,

it was destroy evidence which is a violation of the witness tampering statute. >> no responsible person on television, no responsible so-called journalists should be advocating for people to destroy evidence in a serious federal investigation. i don't think that we will see him prosecuted. a federal prosecutors give people a very wide berth on first amendment related conduct, so unless there is something more specific to link it up, this will be what we often categorize as awful but lawful conduct. >> if he was out there advocating for molar witnesses, maybe the mueller should speak to him. >> knowing mueller, i don't think he will light that fire under someone who gets free airtime every day. but one angle would be to say, i'm going to a judge and i'm going to have you cease and desist this activity on national television. secondly, i want to talk to you

and see if trump has gotten this idea from you or vice versa. >> sean: words matter. if i devise them? and by the way, it's really dumb, it's not going to work out well for you. the great irony in all of this is, they are more angry that i was basically saying that hillary clinton did it all. she did every bit of it. and by the way, i love the idea. i would like to meet robert mueller's mary brand. i would like to meet that man who put people in jail for a year to be overturned by the fifth circuit that was excoriated by judges not once but twice and costing tens of thousands of people jobs. i have questions for him and jeannie ray and bob mueller. now, the mainstream media would put me under investigation and lock me up for merely highlighting and then obviously

sarcastic way the double standard and what i have been pointing out our two-tier justice system. in the same people don't get the fact that hillary actually did all of that. she wiped away, acid washed her hard drive, deleted emails or subpoenaed, had aids smashing phones with a hammer and lied about all of it. are you really that dumb? tell me it's not true. you would think that one under mueller's plan would be able to get away with that. if robert mueller ask for your phone, don't do what hillary did. as i said last night, a warm and well for you. you won't get the same treatment, which was a point of it. now the media, when you think they have hit a new low, they just dig and dig and dig. one more news story that the media hates to, the president granted clemency. the woman's name was alice johnson, a great-grandmother and sentenced to life in prison for one nonviolent drug crime.

20 some odd years in jail. her first day in freedom in 20 years, she thinks the president and moments ago she spoke with our own martha maccallum. >> the only way that i was able to make it through that time, and this is the truth, it was my faith in god. i knew that one day he was going to bring me out and i live my life with an eye toward it one day walking out of those doors a free woman. in the day i got the news that president trump had to granted my clemency and given me a second chance at life was the best day of my life. >> sean: god bless you, we wish you all the best. and you know what? i think there are more of these cases we can find. give people second chances. joining us now, the author of the russia hoax, fox news legal analyst greg gregg jarrett. he is writing a book, and this will be a best seller also come up they will be fighting against each other. the case against impeaching

trump, harvard law professor alan dershowitz. i think the books are complementary, and i think we could do in our debate, you guys signed books and i could have a beer. >> happy to do that. >> let's do it. >> sean: first i have to ask you about this whole issue with me. professor dershowitz, you did know that i was being sarcastic. >> first of all you have the perfect constitutional right to make the comparison. i agree with it, that's a constitutionally protected argument. obviously, you did it with a sense of sarcasm saying, look at what she did, but you won't get away with it if you don't do it. do it. it's absurd. >> sean: i have lawyers that will take me on as a client right here. >> you wouldn't need us. i could find you a first-year student that would win that case. >> sean: how do these people get on air? that's crazy. >> i suspect the people that were criticizing you never actually listened to what was

being sent to. i played the first clip, someone saying a cease and desist order should be ordered against you. if that guy had a lawyer, he's as dumb as a bucket of hair. obviously satire and parody as a protected speech. sarcasm does not constitute inciting a crime. most people are you for that have no idea what they are talking about legally. we want everyone at home, you just saw why these books will be best sellers. all right, the doj, there was a spy, probably two or more. you are a constitutional attorney, congress has a constitutional role in oversight. checks and balances and separation of powers. why won't they turn the documents over? >> they should. i'm a civil libertarian that goes back to the antiwar movement when informants were put in the antiwar movement. they were put in the anti-martin luther king movemen movement. >> sean: martin luther king was spied on in a horrific way.

>> that's right. so as a civil libertarian when you put someone in a campaign, you'll want to see the justification. maybe there was justification, maybe it was business as usual, but the american public has the right to know everything about that. >> sean: this is a scary time. listen, i am as pro-law enforcement as anybody. i love -- my mother was a prison guard. my dad worked in probation. it was a big deal, all of my family, many of them more police and two may be fbi and that was the top of the hill. >> i never pass a policeman in the street without thanking him. i always do it. firemen, police, school teachers. people who work hard to give us protection or education, i want them to know i appreciated every day of the week. >> sean: i do the same. so, they won't hand it over and then you have rosenstein's complex.

i'm thinking, they promised to hand it over, why? >> congress has every legal and constitutional right to see these documents. those seeking it actually has security clearance, the gang of eight. so there is no legal justification for holding it and yet the justice department and the fbi have a long and distinguished record over the last year of concealing evidence of redacting records under national security terms. then we find out when they are unsealed, there was no such thing. what i would recommend however is for congress to immediately write to the justice department and say, do not destroy a single draft. we want to see what the original looked like, we want to see every change, we want to know who changed it, why it was changed and when it was changed. >> and the inspector general would have it. >> you cannot trust a briefing as trey gowdy said. they are just telling you what they can get away with at the bare minimum. you have to see the documents themselves. >> sean: i have to go, but

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>> sean: joining us now, lots of breaking news. florida congressman ron desantis i'm hoping will be the next governor of the great state of florida, the sunshine state. full disclosure for you dopes over at msnbc, and sarah carter, let's start with you. while i was speaking with you last night, and we were speaking to other people and we were both working our resources, and then again this morning at 7:00, there were supposed to be released documents from the doj

early in the morning, then they pulled them back. what happened? >> the dod ga field to mention that when they issued a press release -- the doj, saying they would turn over documents next week or at least allow congress to review documents next week either monday or tuesday, and ask more questions about the information that they had requested on april 24th, which was a specific documentation by the house intelligence committee that would basically shed light on the entire russian investigation. it is these documents that the doj and fbi are returning to turn over to lawmakers. they have battled with them on may 24th, remember that meeting that they had to wear the doj and fbi were supposed to share documents with nunez and representative trey gowdy and others, and they did not. they in fact told them that they would not share those documents with investigators on their committee. so this has been a

back-and-forth battle. they refused to turn them over this morning and instead issuing a press release late last night that nobody was aware of except for the reporters. but the congressional members were left in the dark. they headed to capitol hill and were waiting for the documents, and once again, they weren't there. >> sean: all right, i got some breaking news if i can throw the site you will. this was in "the new york times," federal law enforcement. the headline is, justice department sees as times reporter's emails and phone records in leak investigation. officials secretly seizing a year worth of "new york times" reporter's phone and email records this year and investigation of classified information leaks. excuse me, don't we have a first amendment here? by the way, i never thought i'd be defending "the new york times," they do suck. but wait a minute, they don't have a right to this reporters notes and records. are they allowed to protect their sources? do we have freedom of press?

that sounds scary to me, what's your reaction? >> it's also against the backdrop, no one has been prosecuted who has actually done leaking since this administration took over. remember michael flynn at intercept, the pfizer intercept, that was leaked gratuitously by somebody, probably an obama holdover. there have been a cascade of leaks and no one has been held accountable for any of those things. i need more information about what exactly is happening here. i know there is a former staffer on the senate intelligence committee that is probably going to be indicted. i'm not sure if it was working for a democrat or republican, although i have my guests. at the end of the day, you have a series of leaks and no accountability up to this point. >> sean: i will tell you, the news media, and they write this in the times piece, mining a record for sources with a massive intrusion into the first amendment. sarah carter, we worked sources

last night and it's none of their business who we talk to or who you talk to, who i talk to. mueller doesn't have a right to this information. >> sarah: absolutely. i think when we look at overall, what's been happening here, look. james clapper has now been outed pretty much as someone who the congress believes had leaked information to cnn. we know that the president conversations 's private conversations were linked to the media, but that does not give the right for the doj to start mining reporters' telephone numbers, and information to try to find out who was the leaker. i think they pretty much know where the leaks are coming from. give polygraphs. >> sean: maybe there is a leak at their own office. >> sarah: exactly. if mike flynn gave some polygraphs to find out who was leaking inside of the doj or the

office for the administration, these are highly classified leaks. >> sean: this is huge news and i'm just putting this together. "the new york times," even their own leadership is commenting on this. maybe they will realize that people like sean hannity and sarah carter and gregg jarrett and so many of us were right, because we pointed out pfizer abuses, lying to pfizer court justices, omission by lying to pfizer court justices, and, hillary clinton's crimes, and the dual justice system in this country, one for hillary, and fixing investigations with everything associated with this. that has been our point the entire time. how do we get to the bottom of this? >> and come up they fight tooth and nail to provide the american people the truth about activities. rosenstein, as sarah said it, even just last night was refusing to turn over these

documents. they are breaking certain members of congress saying, this is exactly what we want the fbi to do. if that's the case then, so the american people to documents, show congress, so we can see how good of a job you did. the fact that they are not willing to do that tells me that there were problems from the very beginning of this so-called collusion investigation. they won't show us the papadopoulos stuff, they won't show us the information about helper. you have to ask why they won't come clean. >> sarah: what was the scope of all of this? i think what we are seeing is one small portion of massive abuse, and the american people deserve the truth because our country relies on the foundation that we built ourselves upon and it's not meant for spying, it's not meant for weaponized incorporated the intelligence community. something has to be done here and congress has to fight even harder to get those answers. >> sean: interesting. this is the biggest abuse of

power corruption scandal in our history. you watched, everything that we so far have told you is now coming true, sadly. if we don't get this under control, it is horrific to the future of law & order in this country. equal justice under the law, equal application under the law. the constitution, which is the bedrock foundation of all of our laws. fourth amendment protections. when we come back, and henry on the president's upcoming trip to the summit in canada. and it's all happening next tuesday in singapore. by the way, we will be there. we will talk about it with daniel hoffman and dr. gorka. busy news night, stay with us.

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i misspoke and said the mueller investigation, but it was the doj. one thing we are learning here is that part of it covered up by year's worth of reporting and information and communications with this particular reporter, and apparently, this reporter had a previous three-year relationship with the senate intelligence committee former director of security, but said that was never a source. the standard to come up the bar illegally is so high to get all of that information. this should be troubling to anybody that has sources because they are all sorts of people that are sources of for myself, and our news division, and in so many other people. you have to protect those. but of course, the leaking has to stop, too. this is a real problem to me. president trump with two major upcoming summits, not only with north korea leader kim jong un next week but he also has the g7 summit in canada starting tomorrow in washington.

with all the details, fox news chief correspondent. ed, this is a pretty big story that just broke with the times, i don't know if you had a chance to look at it? >> >> ed: yes. you think back to the obama administration, james rosen had records that were going through and there were actually more leak investigations under the obama administration then the current administration. so there will be a lot of backlash about this reporter's records going through. that is breaking as the president's as you said about to engage in a very few days of diplomacy which is a big reason why he keeps a lashing out at the mueller probe. >> sean: doesn't have the best relationship with the doj. >> ed: no, not at all, and it's the doj that's leading this investigation as you mentioned of this reporter. he's been frustrated with the leadership over there come up with attorney general sessions. the president also lashed out today at robert mueller, calling the investigation a witch hunt and tweeting that it is a

distraction from his weekend trip to the g7 summit in canada as well as the mission to singapore for the north korea summit. the president seems to relish the idea that he will be sparring at the g7 with traditional allies like the canadian prime minister and the french president, tweeting quote please tell them that they are charging the u.s. mass tariffs and creating nonmonetary barriers. the u.s. trade and canada keeps our farmers and others out. look forward to seeing them tomorrow. now interestingly, we have learned in the last couple moments that the president will be leaving canada earlier than expected to get to singapore sooner to get ready for north korea summit. meeting with the japanese prime ministers today, who praise the president for bringing a fresh approach. in contrast, media has given the president very little credit for bringing this peace process further than many of his predecessors. the president again lowered expectations today and reminded the media that one meeting will

not and years of tension. the president was also bullish on the chances for success, saying he has hopes that kim jong un will eventually visit the white house and maybe mar-a-lago, but stressed that he will block from the table if kim does not agree to do newco rise. listen. >> president trump: i really believe that we have the potential to do something incredible for the world, so i am totally prepared to walk. it could happen, maybe it won't be necessary. i hope it won't be necessary to walk. >> ed: the president added that he and ken may finally sign an agreement to end the war of the decades and they would like to see the u.s. and north korea normalize their relations and have the ambassadors back and forth to open up diplomatic relations. many meetings ahead. >> sean: here with reaction, former assistant to the president, dr. sebastian gorka and retired seat by a senior intelligence officer, daniel hoffman. i'm proud to announce that both of them will be with this program in singapore.

sarah carter will be there as well, as of course the ig report, two days after the singapore summit. lots of ground to cover tonight. let's start with you daniel hoffman. the president showing strength, i will walk away any time. it's right out of the art of the deal, it doesn't surprise me. i believe i know him well enough to know that he would absolutely walk away in four seconds. >> i think he is also doing the right thing by managing expectations, he's dealing with decades of failed policy, from which we have learned a lot. we talked a lot about the sunshine policy which was more like the moonshine policy for north korea at the end of that 10-year period, when they had taken $3 billion from south korea and almost $2 billion from china, increased of the nuclear program significantly, and we hadn't been a colorized or taken many steps to do newco rise the peninsula. the president has taken on board all of those lessons learned from the past and i think he is really well prepared to go

forward with a really bold strategy for dealing with this challenge that we face. i think the challenge will be dealing with some of the other countries from the six party talks like russia and china who are meddling, and not always helpful on the part of russia to solving the crisis. >> sean: you know something come up the world would be a lot better off if we didn't have kim jong un and the korean peninsula threatened by north korea. and ending the korean war, dr. gorka seems to me to be a pretty good idea and would be good for the world. we have confirmed that kim jong un will talk about complete denuclearization of his regime. good for the world. >> after 65 years, absolutely. just the absurdity that this war is still really, according to the lack of a peace treaty, in effect. it's just a cease-fire. so, yeah, let's do it. let's go there, but stay nuclear

as the peninsula. this isn't a dictatorship that will fall tomorrow. it won't solve all of the peninsula's problems, but if anyone can end the war or do you need to president trump. >> sean: agreed. it doesn't concern you that a reporter's notes and sources and everything doj has obtained, dr. gorka, instinctively this sounds really bad to me. >> i don't care if they're president is a republican or democrat or who the reporter works for. that amount of information being demanded or captured from the doj come on what basis? >> sean: and at the bar is very high, as we know. all right, i will get to be with you both in north korea -- in singapore under that north korean summit, on monday. when we come back, you won't believe the mayor that puts americans in danger.

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>> sean: the white house tonight slamming the mayor of philadelphia for doing a victory dance. why? over a sanctuary city ruling. in other words, they break the law of ruling. take a look. >> a sanctuary city. >> sean: we reached out to the mayor's office for a comment about his gleeful reaction and they said, let me or was pleased about the ruling and it was a quote important moment for all philadelphians. now with reaction former secret service agent dan bonds you know, publisher magazine, e-uppercase-letter kathy a roo. >> sean: do you believe in

rule of law? >> absolutely. >> sean: do you believe it's legal to cross the border without our permission? i asked you a simple question. is it illegal to cross the border into america without america's permission? is it illegal? >> welcome people can come to this country to work and it's not illegal if they have a workers visa. >> sean: without anyone's permission, no vsat. is it illegal. >> i don't think that's the issue here. >> and i didn't think that -- ask you if that was issue. you do believe in federal law? >> absolutely. >> sean: do you believe it is illegal for somebody, without any permission, to cross the border without america's permission? >> i don't find it illegal. i think a person is legal no matter where they are. >> sean: is it illegal? >> i don't find it illegal.

>> sean: it all depends -- we were alone, but i'd never thought we were alone. this is what the left does, dan longino. she knows. >> kathy, you know i love these debates, but can you just answer the question? it is clearly illegal. let me learn you a little bit. entering without inspection -- >> you are going to learn me? >> you can't answer the question. i will answer it for you. entering without inspection is a misdemeanor, entering repeatedly as a felony. this is simple, kathy, just answer the question. >> kathy: it isn't illegal to be a person. >> sean: no one said it was illegal to be a person. >> kathy: you are illegal if you are in a land that isn't the place you were born, you are

legal person no matter where you live. >> sean: if you enter the country without america's permission, if you have broken america's laws, true or false? >> kathy: have you committed crimes, have you done anything wrong? >> sean: the answer is yes, because america is a sovereign country. america has a constitution. america knows that you has law. you probably know from going to school, those are the laws of the land based on constitutional order. do you believe in constitutional order? >> kathy: absolutely. and people have to pay taxes. >> sean: well, if i didn't pay taxes that would be wrong, right? >> kathy: they are buying goods, they are paying taxes on those goods. >> sean: i didn't say they were paying taxes, i didn't say if they were good or bad people. it's about law. if you can a break that law, dan longino, that's pretty much

saying that we don't have laws and that's with the mayor of philadelphia was really doing today. >> dan: notice the word games that kathy just play there, she switched the argument. she does not all the time. >> kathy: i do not. >> dan: he said, that makes it illegal. you changed it to an argument about being illegal human, or being alive and being illegal. what are you talking about? we are talking about immigration laws. >> sean: people, i understand they are people and we love all people. but we are a sovereign country. respect the sovereignty and the will of law in america. thank you. when we come back, incredible nice things that clinton is saying about trump. i kid you not

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the monica lewinsky controversy, president clinton in an interview with abc had interesting things to say how his administration mishandled north korea. take a listen. >> i had a chance at the end of my presidency -- i kind of regret this again but i would do the same thing again -- to end their missile program. i would have to go to north korea. i could not do that and finish the middle east peace. this is important and we should hope that the president succeeds. we should wait and see what -- how much can be done. >> sean: he gave kim jong-un's

father in billion dollars. i am glad he said he doesn't want to see president trump fail. let not your heart be troubled. there she is. i have a couple more confessions to make. >> laura: oh, god. is this what we are going to do every night now? i don't think the country can take it. >> laura: i will start an online petition. >> sean: did you see what the media today. "hannity" is encouraging breaking up devices and acid washing your hard drive. are they that stupid? >> laura: when you are encouraging people to bleach their hard drive, is it actual bleach on it? n'