to you steve, great to be with you. angela merkel is the perpetrator. steve: all right, thank you so much everyone. join us again next week when """"""""""""""""""""""""" will televised. . mark: hello america. i'm mark levin. this is "life, liberty & levin." zuhdi jasser, pleasure to see. >> you great to with you, mark. mark: zuhdi jasser, you're a medical doctor. >> yes, sir. mark: practice in the private sector. you founded and are president of the american islamic forum for democracy and co-founder of the muslim reform movement. you're a first generation american muslim. parents fled the oppressef

baath regime of syria in the 60s for american freedom. you're a patriot. you earned your medical degree on a u.s. navy scholarship at the medical college of wisconsin in 1992. you served 11 years as a medical officer in the united states navy. and you're the author of a ttleor the soul oflam, an american muslim patriot's figh to save his faith. now the reason i wanted to have you tonight is not only because you're a superb expert on this whole issue, not just of islam and geopolitics and so forth, because it's very quiet right now. and when it's very quiet, i get very nervous. >> yeah. mark: particularly when it comes to our enemies. while we're focused rightly so on north korea and some of the other challenges that we have in this country, al qaeda is not quiet, isis isn't quiet, hamas isn't quiet, hezbollah isn't quiet, the muslim brotherhood isn't quiet. they're all operating, plotting

their next attack on the allies and the country. why weren't we talking or thinking about this? why weren't we ready? i want to talk about it, let's start at the beginning. sharia law. what is sharia law? >> mark, it's great to be with you, and you know sharia is islamic law, islamic jurisprudence, one of the reasons my parents escaped jar and came here was they viewed the american experiment, the american laboratory about the ability for individuals to define their faith, define which of the laws in the faith they'll accept or reject as being the type of society, the type of nation they wanted to belong to. so they rejected their syrian nationalism which has failed and continues to prove to be one of the worst tyrannies in the world to. come to embrace an islam that was their own making, their own practice. so sharia is the islamic jurisprudence that is the laws

that have evolved from 7th century islam. so i would be deceptive o lying to you if i said sharia was compatible with american law. my sharia is the islam of american patriots that i know that are muslims that reject political islam is, but the sharia of saudi arabia, of the pakistani islamic law, of egyptian law, of the muslim brotherhood, of hamas, the shia theocracies are incompatible with american law. as we are finishing up the holiest month of ramadan, we just finished, it it's our holiday this weekend. my personal sharia tells me how to pray, fast, how to follow the pietistic laws and sharia that gets involved in criminal law, that gets involved in prohibiting siege. mark: and governance. >> and punishments and the inequality of men and women. torture of dissidents and all the other things that are done

under the name of sharia in iran and saudi arabia and other theocracies or quasi theocracies, as americans try to get their head around what is sharia, i would tell you look at our own history. america was founded on a rejection of theocracy. islam is in that time in its history right now. we're in the 16th, 17th century what christiandom was in at that time. and as it's quiet, as you said, the muslim world is not quiet, the iranian people are revolting in the streets in the thousands against their theocracy. my family in damascus and aleppo are dodging chemical weapons and helicopter gunships and a genocide from the syrians from hezbollah, from iran, from russia. the muslim brotherhood is growing. isis may have been decimated in syria, but jihadism, global jihadism, the ideology of

theocracy, is growing faster than it ever has. mark: do you think the american media, the american media chases shiny objects, pretty much. do you think the american media is substantive enough to understand that the threats remain because they do a very poor job of covering them? >> i think the honest portions of the american media, whether it be conservatives like yourself or others that are willing to talk to muslims with a tough love, i think, are addressing the issue. i think we've seen like our organization and muslim reform movement are shifting the needle, after 9/11, no one would talk about islamists and now seeing a conversation where we recognize that it's not just terrorism. i'm a doctor, as you said, and i treat disease, i don't treat symptoms, and the disease what we're facing is not just terrorism. that's a symptom. that's a whack-a-mole program. the disease is political islam.

sharia states. the concept that identity is muslims is wedded to a national identity of islamic governance. there may be many muslims in america that are here that reject secular society. so the american media, and i think especially on the left now, if you get away from their 95% trump dearrangement syndrome where they are focused on completely ignoring the global issues that are continuing to evolve. the rest, because of the influence of foreign governments, islamic states and their funding of think tanks, especially on the left, the clinton foundation and the money through qatar and the saudis and others and see the problem on the right, we are unable to have an honest concsation about the influence of islamics' movements and sharia-type movements in our country and the influence of changing the narratives. until we look at problem and fix it, we're never going to fix the disease. mark: that's a problem i want

to get to in just a second. you talked about the founds of american. john locke, the enlightenment, religions most have gone through the reformation period, so there isn't this, a conflict between the enlightenment and people are faith and religion. you're saying not so with a lot of the muslim world. in the united states, we have this first amendment. it's really quite brilliant. the free exercise of religion, but no establishment of religion. and it was based on like much of the constitution, judeo-christian concepts, but not just that. aristotle. cicero, cicero wasn't a christian, per se, it was the romans who killed christ. and yet, so basically our first

amendment says look, if you're not out to destroy the constitution. if you're not ideologically driven to eviscerate the society. have at it. you can be a muslim, buddhist, christian, anything you want. isn't that the genius of the first amendment? >> absolutely. this is why america and american muslims especially have the responsibility by being blessed. if i have grown up in syria or saudi arabia, i would not be the man who sits before you today respecting and learning from authors like yourself and having the opportunity to be on "life, liberty & levin" and talk about freedom, right? i would be a different consciousness because i'd be fighting for freedom in syria, i probably wouldn't be alive today or if i lived in saudi arabia, influenced by anti-western conspiracy theories, et cetera. so america needs to get out, especially the left, needs to get out of its ethno sentrism and what's happening in washington and hollywood and look at the world and say you

know what? a quarter of the world's population is muslim. it's a 1400+-year-old religion that now is going through a time in history which it's beginning to move against dictatorships and theocracy. we can take sides in that or continue to work with just the strong horse and pretend that through bigotry of low expectations that arabs and persians and muslims in general want to be run by dictators and theocrats and that could not be further from the truth. everyone wants to be free. everyone needs a martin luther. too late. we need john locke, jeffersonian religious freedom papers to teach our youth. one of the things i teach my three young children. only thing i want to die for, this is the reason i joined the navy, is america and our constitution. i was taught by my parents that while we love and pray to god

and we read our scripture in the arabic koran, i never want to die for that. god doesn't need me to die for him. my scripture is between me and god. i don't need the state to have the constitution. i need the state to protect my individual rights, to speak, to practice or reject any parts of the faith that the men in beards and long robes want to ram down my throat. that's the beauty of the american experiment. we have a responsibility living in blessed freedom to give back to the world and start to put forth a form of islam. using the free market of ideas that exist here to begin to have critical thinking and pushing back against -- right now there's only four schools of sharia and you shia islam. there were thousands of schools of thought. how do people expect islam to

do away with isises or muslim brotherhoods if there is no critical thinking in. the laboratory where we can do it, the left wants us with the red axis to not have critical thinking and say anyone that looks critically islam is a bigot, islamophobe and dominates who i am as a muslim, when, in fact, we need tough love, if you know muslims that are neighbors and friends, ask them what they think about theocracy and what they will change for their children and what their legacy will be? mark: why do you think that reporters, so-called journalists, many of whom are the left why, do you think they don't want to have the conversation? >> because every minority group to them is a tool for pushing forth a collectivist movement. whatever it is they exploit it. the muslim minority which is barely 1% in america. they don't look at it as a

quarter of the world's population where you have 56 countries that are muslim majorities where we have influence on that. they would say we can check the box we protect muslim minority rights, it's not a ban. talk about and use folks like keith ellison. remember the pelosi incident where she's whispering, tell him you're muslim. tell him you're muslim. that's all that matters. identity politics. they exploit identity politics in order to use us as a hammer against the right so they can obsess into saying they are the answer to bigotry and, et cetera on the right, which could not be further from the truth. it is part of the left's demagoguery where they actually in a bigoted sense use race, they racialize islam, islam is an idea, not a race, but racialize it. so they prevent critical thinking within communities, individuals as they've done with the african-american community, the hispanic

community, and they have no interest in looking globally at how muslim women are treated in iran, how they're treated in afghanistan, in saudi arabia because feminism to them is also a tool for how to get to the right, rather than actually being about principles. mark: could it also be that there are organizations that push the narrative that the left wants pushed? organizations like cair as an example. organizations like cair being that domestic organizations with a foreign influence that really are the counter to your organization and this reformation that you're talking about, taken much more fundamentalist approach to sharia la and they are seen in the media and they are seen in government all the time. i want your opinion on this, in one moment. ladies and gentlemen, you can join us almost every week night on levin tv at crtv.com, at crtv.com. i hope you'll join us.

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. mark: zuhdi jasser, i want to get to this group cair in a moment. but thinking about what you said, if the american media is so objectionable to a

discussion about islam, how do we expect the foreign media, much of which is state controlled in these other countries, to even consider discussing reformation and islam and so forth? >> they become basically tools of foreign media, because let me give you an example. when president trump decided to withdraw from the iran deal, cnn backed -- hour after hour started to show demonstrations in iran and how this was making unrest. they were basically showing exactly what iranian-state media wanted them to show which is the staged rallies that were happening, the burning of the flag and other things which is what our enemies want, so at the end of the day, our media, when it doesn't have a compass about constitutional principles and about universal human rights, now all of a sudden we're hearing about all that with north korea when, in fact, obama was selling the farm to iran and handing them billions

to do genocide in syria and propagate terrorism around the world, nobody talked about human rights. now all of a sudden they're doing it because the axis of ideas is how to get the right and how to demonize everyone who is against their party, when in fact, it's not about principles. so i hope ultimately as we've proven in the last election, the american people are not stupid. they understand what the realities are who to trust and who not to, and the left is going to continue to wither on the vine of false narratives because a candidate who is elected by fighting the establishment, which is, i know what we're going to talk about with cair, the establishment in the muslim community is evil, thecratic and are not friends of america. mark: let's go there. this organization, cair, was established in a meeting in philadelphia, wasn't it? give us history, cair shows up everywhere. in the obama administration it showed up at the department of justice, at the white house,

showed up at the defense department. it's frequently referred to as the leading muslim civil rights group in america. that's self-proclaimed and regurgitated by the media. they show up constantly on cnn and msnbc. >> they are c-a-i-r, that is what they do, they are an offshoot, basically the islamic organizations in america started in the late 60s with the muslim association started by saudi funding and muslim brotherhood immigration into the united states, and that evolved into major organizations, the council on american islamic relations, alphabet soup of basically muslim brotherhood legacy groups and in 91, this is part of the fbi holy land foundation

trial, documents that were shown to be real documents from 91 had authoritative memorandum that they had certain organizations that were part of the evangelical movement of the islamist movement to shape western opinion, shape western policy so it favors islamist interests and cair is one of the groups. cair evolved from a group called the islamic association for palestine. they founded the palestinians weren't enough for constituencies so they brought into hijack the islamic community as part of the palestinian movement and some of my friends call them hamas on k-street. mark: hamas on k-street because they have ties to hamas, don't they? >> they do. fathers have been linked to them. don't take my word for, it see how much they say against hamas, when hamas launches missiles into schools, when america says we should stop funding to hamas, which we never should have done to begin with, which appears to be social and medical programs that end up getting money into

hamas's coffers. they start protesting. at the end of the day, cair reveals its stripes by who it supports and anti-semitism, it's promotion of the bds. the argentineans had to pull out of a soccer match in jerusalem because the bds movement ended up terrorizing. >> the boycott divest movement that is trying to oppress the free markets of israel by telling companies to divest or invest in israel. and reveals they're trying use all of the economic power of islamic regimes from turkey to saudi arabia to the palestinians and others to try to put pressure on israel, and i think americans, this is another thing we're missing, is that it is a front for anti-semitism and islamic movements that we need to stand by our ally, israel and push back against. mark: this anti-semitism you bring up, it's spreading in america, isn't it?

on college campuses, universities, and do you think these organizations, these islamic organizations or palestinian organizations, do you think they're promoting this sort of an attitude? >> they are, because they come across as being the only voice of muslims. i tell you that's changing. from when you and i started talking about 9/11, today i just spoke at duke a couple months ago, and for days the students association were protesting me coming in, i was being brought in by a number of the freedom based associations, college based and others, they said because the title of my talk was american muslim identity, patriots or insurgents? they said that's demonization, there's no binary, and they had a sit-in, et cetera. after i gave my speech how much i love my faith the comments were positive. even though it was horrifically

negative before i got in there. when we're given a platform, they can't honestly call me an islamophobe after they listen to what i say and the narrative i believe in as a god-fearing, patriotic, american muslim who feels our community has globally been hijacked by the movements. and the university is ground zero of the speech debate. as so many have seen, the islamists and the left create this climate where we can't have an ability to disagree with one another because they call you a hater, a bigot, et cetera, and shut down any critical thinking. >> why do you think the left, the marxist left, the progressive left, the islamist movement, why do you think they are frequently on the same side of policy and political issues? >> because, a, they're collectivists, both

collectivists, and, b, it's the shortcut of suppressing ideas that would defeat them. we've done debates against the imams where i've done lincoln douglas-type debates last january about the necessity of the muslim reform movement and almost every muslim that saw the debate said you know what? now i understand what you believe. yeah, they're trying to present me withouting way any attention to our message. at the end of the day, the left, the islamists are collectivists. this is why they work well with dictatorships, with socialists and others, it's all about collectiveizing control of thought and preventing freedom, individual thought and what really conservatism is all about. mark: so much for freedom of the press. we have the press in this country, 90% of this, i think is of a group think type, which you're talking about here, and they claim they are defending the first amendment and freedom

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embassy to jerusalem. and the israelis loved president trump. and there were posters all over the country for president trump. when i returned to the united states, none of that was presented in the american media. none ofer it. instead the israelis and the idf were being accused of murdering principles on the gaza strip because hamas controls the gaza strip and was rushing the fence with 30,000, 40,000, 50,000 people. t it's women and children first. so the israelis were trying to defend their border. but the american media had it completely the opposite way. it is very interesting to me who they point out as the heroes. the great barack obama. sat on his hands for 10 days when the people

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billion in ranson money, and the controls of what iran is going to do are either nebulous or really nonexistent and iran is guaranteed to have nukes in a decade. president is universally criticized in europe, almost universally criticized by the american media. what do you make of this? >> i don't get it, and i can tell you having spoken to hundreds of syrian americans many of whom are democrats who voted for obama would never do so again. they were so upset how at the altar of the iran deal, we handed over everything, we abandoned our allies from the 20th century which are the governments of saudi arabia, egypt, et cetera, and handed them money that we lied to the iranian people were obama in videos was telling the iranian people this money will help their economy, and this year, january 1st, when the revolution started, this green

revolution, it's not just in tehran, the revolution was happening in front of the theocratic teaching centers where the clerics are taught. that's what's amazing about the latest revolution in 2018. that started way before we pulled out. the iranian people in the revolution were holding signs saying stop sending money to syria to kill syrians, we need it here in this country. so we handed them money to spend more on short and mid range missiles to fund hezbollah. to spread global terror. we abandoned many operations globally to get hezbollah at the altar of the nuclear deal. and allowed companies to come into tehran to open up shop like boeing and other european companies which never works to bring down a regime, actually helps to strengthen them and as the sanctions ended the khameneists were more insecure

and now within months of us pulling out of the deal, the iranian people are starting to see economy weaken which is helping them destabilize the government and actually see a light at the end of the tunnel, they're extremely thankful. people of iran who we would share our values with are thankful of what president trump, john bolton and others have done now, and i think there is no -- i don't know what planet the left living on and thinking that was wise. i think we're proving that the best anti-nuclear program would be to destabilize that regime and hopefully have a revolution to bring forth more democracy. mark: this civil war, it's more than a civil war. these battles in syria, taking place, israeli exposed turkey, hasn't it, and erdogan who has become a fascist. still an american ally. >> he's always been, erdogan, when he was running in early

2000 said democracy is a train. you use it until you get to where you want to go and then you get off. he is a cultish leader of a neocaliphate that he wants to establish hegemony on, america should look at suspending them from nato. he is using language against the european nations where if austria shuts down a few movengs he starts to use war language against them. if the danish go against the burka, he uses war language against them. he's using hegemonic language about his islamic supremacy, while our families in syria, other than blaming the assad regime, iran and russia, any country that radicalized the syrian revolution was qatar and turkey especially. mark: and very briefly, he's cozying up with russia, getting weapons from russia. >> yep, he said the europeans

and the west are becoming antagonistic so i'm going to russia. the guy, the nato treaty means nothing to him. if you want to contain him, americans need to wake up, while we're obsessed with the media in new york and washington. mark: stormy daniels. >> it is horrifically negligent for us to ignore what's happening in turkey with erdogan while the biggest mosque opened in america today in the last few years, the largest mosque is in maryland, a dinette outpost of the american government. mark: can you catch us on crtv.com, give us a call at 844-levin-tv. sign up with our wonderful conservative community over there. we'll be right back. ♪ how do you like me now ♪ now that i'm on my way ♪ do you still think i'm crazy standing here today ♪ ♪ i couldn't make you love me

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being anti-muslim. do you see it that way? >> absolutely not. i mean, to hold a president accountable to words he may have said in his campaign. i might have disagreed with his word choice of how he expressed things. bottom line is his policy today, it is absurd to say, i'm the fruit of muslim immigrants that came here to practice their faith, so i believe that at the core of americanism is a proimmigration sense, but it is un-american to say that we should have lotteries or that we should have chain migration. i don't understand that. americans who want to be, people who want to be americans should be welcome based on ideology. communists, islamists, collectivists who don't believe in american constitutional law, should not be allowed in. islamist ban is very appropriate and the previous administration, not only obama but the bush administration also have never really articulated how we vet

refugees. >> is an islamist ban a muslim ban? >> no. certainly not all muslims are islamists. if anybody should get this is americans, we were founded by christians who did not want to be theocrats or christianists so islamists are certainly a large plurality among the muslim population but certainly not a majority. and if they're islamists, let them go to saudi arabia, other countries. they don't need to come to america and destabilize who we are as a country, we're going to welcome people willy-nilly regardless of ideology. mark: and those six countries, they don't even come close to make up the majority of muslims in the world. the largest muslim countries weren't even includeed? >> yeah 56 countries have muslim majorities. to say that's a muslim ban is absurd and insulting to muslims. it's insulting to the muslims in prisons in those countries.

many of the folks who get out are sent by the regimes to infiltrate as the turks do and their policies, if you will. so i think there's nothing more pro-muslim than saying if you believe in the western narrative of freedom and liberty, welcome to the west. if you don't believe in our way of secular liberal democracy, you're not welcome here. mark: that's the way it used to be across the board. be across the board. we'll be right back. (director) cut! nice, candace, but this time bold. did someone say "bold?" (gasping) starkist jalapeo tuna in a pouch! loaded with bold flavor. just tear, eat... mmmmm. and go bold! try all of my bold creations pouches! the first survivor of ais out there.sease and the alzheimer's association is going to make it happen. but we won't get there without you. visit alz.org to join the fight.

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mark: my final question to you, what can be done with the left ideological hold on the narrative about islam? >> i think look at how president trump came to where he is today. he's a disruptor who fought

against the establishment. now he is taking the offense and destroying isis and back against [inaudible]. i would ask the american people and president trump to take the offense and to embrace disruption and embrace some chaos in the middle east. as bad as it might sound, revolutions are good, not the ones with islamists winning but the ones who share our values. the president talked about a commission on radical islam and it's time to can be not. it's time to no longer discard dinners that bring in islamists and think we he did not do that this year but they bring in the this is a side we want to take and there's nothing more pro- diversity, pro- american than embracing muslims that embrace democracy and let them stand on her shoulders as americans and that we are pro- muslim but anti- islamist. mark: embrace the freedom fighters as we always have and

those who but communism and fascism and they are the same as muslims. thank you very much. very important. see you next time on "life, liberty and levin" well. elizabeth: thank you for joining >> i think comey was the ringleader of this whole den of thieves. they were plotting against my election. >>reporter: we will discuss the fallout of what it means for the mueller's special counsel investigation with congressman trey gowdy. chair of the house oversight committee. it's a "fox news sunday" exclusive. then president trump with words of praise for kim jong-un after the singapore summit. >> he speaks and his people sit