there you have it. thank you so much for tuning in tonight. sweet and on your -- tweet me your thoughts on the show. we will see you right back here at 9:00 a.m. and noon on weekdays. tucker carlson is up next >> good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. the separation of children of the border has since, it ceased to be a news story, it now seems to be a competition to see who can reach greater heights of rhetorical success and self-righteous posturing. nancy pelosi and even hillary clinton took an early lead in the contest by bypassing public policy questions entirely and moving straight to theology. >> the hypocrisy of all people in our country not to clamber

for what the administration is doing to end. those who justify central tenet of christianity. jesus said suffer the little children onto me. he did not say love the children suffer. >> sandra: 's of the same people who support the third term post-viability abortion for purposes of selection are now lecturing you about god and sin and the holiness of children. feel chastened? but wait, there is more. on facebook, ben sasse called the administration's policy wicked as an immoral and devilish. first lady laura bush likened it to the internal and michael hayden went all the way. he printed out a picture of auschwitz death camp and compared that to the.

after sobering up, he walked to that back a little bit on television, but not much. >> i know we are not, germany. but there's a commonality there. a more civilized people you cannot find. so i was trying to point out, we need to be careful not to move in that direction. >> tucker: we could go on, there was so much more just like that. the rich and powerful reminding you just how virtuous they are. do you think any of these people really care about family separation? if they did, they would be worried about the collapse of the american family which is measurable and real camp but they are not worried about that. they will not collapse because strong families are an impediments to their political power and that's why they are always lecturing you about the patriarchy and the evil of the american family. millions and millions of children are growing up with one parent at home.

many of those kids by the way have a parent behind bars. not just illegal immigrants who are separated from their children, but the majority of american citizens in prison have minor kids that they have left behind. they've been separated because they have committed a crime. so in a way these kids are just like the kids on television today but the difference is they are americans, so nobody is spending 35 grand per year apiece to make sure they are okay. politicians and cable news anchors don't visit the foster homes to highlight their plate, they are ignored. they care far more about foreigners than their own people. the other thing you may have noticed is they are not especially interested in solutions to anything. they are great at yelling and preening but not so much at fixing. we could even build more housing

facilities to allow families to stay together while they are asylum claims are processed. the left is not interested in any of that, their only solution is immediate amnesty for anyone that crosses our borders with a minor in total. at the same as no borders at all. that's a powerful incentive for child smuggling. lots of people yelling at you on tv don't even have children so don't for a second let them take the moral high ground. their goal is to change your country forever and they are succeeding by the way. since 2014, to name one example, at least half a million central americans have been released inside of our borders. did anyone vote for that? the kids on our -- in the neighborhoods look like they did in 1960. there is no cost to them. the cost is entirely on you, but

don't complain or else they call you hitler. we wanted a closer look at the facts the on the stories that we spoke to the acting ice director. thank you for joining us. you've heard prominent people compare your behavior to that of the, , how do you respond? >> they are simply enforcing laws enacted by congress. i was there was this much outrage about separation of families. i wish we met with mothers and fathers whose children were killed by illegal immigrants. jewish citizen children that were killed and separated from their family forever. i think people on the hill need to straighten themselves out. let's protect american citizens as much as you are lobbying for the legal alien. >> we are about to talk to one

of those parents whose children were killed. >> the immediate last few days i have been incensed by the intentional misleading of the american people by politicians. they say the trump administration wants to use these children as political pons. they are having a sideshow for these children talking about the issue. the trump administration wants congress to fix it and no one is talking about the underlying reason for the whole argument. are these families escaping fear and persecution? over 80% of these claims are frivolous. these parents themselves are using their children as pawns, and as far as separation of families are concerned, you have to put the blame on the parents.

they are choosing to enter between the ports of entry and they know they will be separated but they want to blame the government when we are forced to do that. so let's put the blame on who advised. >> tucker: while you don't make the policies of course. what would happen if we do what we are hearing we must do, which is giving immediately automatic amnesty with anyone crossing illegally with a minor child in tow? >> that's what's been done. let me tell you the way it works right now. under the agreement, if a family comes in our custody, we can hold them for less than 20 days and release them. most of them end up in immigration court. immigration court ordered 40,000 and so we want to have congress to change the law so we can keep these people detained and,

because you don't like the final decision doesn't mean we forget about it. last year when we went and looked for these families, i got hundreds of letters saying, how dare you put your finite resources for women and children. i said, wait a minute, because you don't like the decision, let's forget about it. >> thank you for joining us tonight. i appreciate it. don rosenberg knows what it's like to be separated from the child involuntarily. his son was killed by an unlicensed illegal immigrant driver. i should say just for context, because i don't think this is a political issue or needs to be one, and i don't think you're a republican or any kind of conservatives so i don't think you have a political ax to grind. but looking today at the response in the media to our immigration policy, what's your

reaction? >> i have been furious about the democratic response ever since this happened to my son. they refused to talk to me, they refused to talk to anybody. i haven't heard one democrat in the last seven and a half years since i've been doing this acknowledge any crime directly except when they were sitting in a congressional hearing and it's their constituent that has been killed, and then as soon as they walk out the door they forget about it. it's reprehensible the way they deal with this issue. so why the concern? i think all children are equally valuable in the eyes of god, for sure. so why do you think they seem more interested in the children of foreign nationals than american children? >> votes and money, very simple. that's it. they don't care about them either. not here in california they have the sanctuary state and kevin

deleon is happy when people that have or have not committed a crime or are deported because it gives them something to scream and yell about. the whole thing is so backwards it's hard to believe, but the problem is that much of the news read the mike media fails to report its truth. it wasn't until today before they started talking about florists. obviously, that's not possible, you have to look to mongo and they never show up. >> tucker: exactly. tom, thanks for joining us and for your perspective. >> thanks so much.

he recently toward a border detention facility. thank you for coming on. you have a lot of american citizens in your district to have been separated involuntarily from your child felt like family. one is named alicia delgado was convicted of manslaughter and she said she was defending her son. she is one of your constituents. i don't think she is married, and her son is very young. have you visited him? >> i have not even heard of him, otherwise i would reach out to every child. so it's not just about our constituents who get in trouble and get separated, most of the folks who are coming across have no prior criminal history. they are coming here because of failed american policy and i'm shocked about -- but we are not talking about how we got here. >> tucker: you may need to speak more slowly, tell me once again by the concerns of foreign nationals are more important than those of your own constituent? because we have over a million people behind bars in the united states. >> i'm concerned about every

child who needs help, and my constituents particularly. >> tucker: so how many children have you visited, american citizen children separated from their parents by incarceration? this year how many have you visited? >> i have parents that are in jail? >> tucker: yes, you highlighted the plight of the children. i'm talking about children who got here with parents who are not criminals that are being separated. regardless of political beliefs or our immigration policy, regardless of where you are that children are sacred regardless of where they come from. and if we are talking about the border policy which would be failed american policy and three

central american countries, i think we should be engaging and we are talking about the symptoms and the results. we should be engaging in those countries so we don't have -- i wouldn't blame the united states four -- >> i would be happy to talk to you about parents that are in jail, which i understand is crossing the border and we are talking about -- >> tucker: it's the same conversation that's been going on for hundreds of years. americans are separated from their minor children, and not always -- they are awaiting trial. i don't think you spent a lot of time worrying about that and i'm just wondering why because you are 100% american. >> these kids are placing family members and foster homes, they are not putting cages in

warehouses. that is not the way that children are being treated with parents that have committed criminal activity. >> tucker: went well, let me ask you specifically, and has of my minor child. >> my answer is no. that's no prior criminal history who are being separated for the sole purpose of punishing the parent and deterring others from coming and i think it's abusive to children regardless of what -- >> tucker: i'm not making a political case. >> we should find a humane way

to help them attend their hearings and if we are going to deport them, deport them as a family unit, not separate them. they have toddlers and babies that are being ripped from moms and dads who just cross the border. and they are getting held their >> tucker: and you have had that happen to with people arrested for dui. >> it's happening right now to americans. >> absolutely take care of your own people first. >> congressman, thank you for joining us. hillary clinton recently condemned the policies we were talking about as horrific which is still surely coming as news. in 2003 this is what hillary clinton said about the crisis on the border. watch this. >> i am adamantly against illegal immigrants and people have to stop employing illegal

immigrants. >> nothing has changed since then of course except for her party's calculations that i could only win by importing a new class of voters, which they are trying your best to do. mark steyn is an author and a columnist and he joins us tonight. mark, i don't know if you prepared to take a lecture on a bible from hillary clinton or abrupt on mike barbara boxer or the rest, but do you feel edified by this? >> it's interesting, i think being rather selective in this in the focal fervor. it's important to the left, and that's what immigration is. it's public policy. hillary and of the rest of the left, and i regret now an entire phalanx of first ladies has decided that we have to have the

sentimental is a stub public policy. this is a country that is supposedly on orange alert. over half of the illegal aliens present broke into a country on orange alert. that means they come here since 9-11. the security demands to know the consistency of that pumpkin pie if they are flying home to thanksgiving from new york to cleveland, but the rest of the world is entitled to walk across the rio grande if they happen to have a little muppet intel with them. you can't have it both ways. if i make a domestic flight, their borders are open and i may be the harshest person here speaking tonight because i know as a legal immigrant how heartless and ruthless illegal

immigration policy, and these democrats, laura bush never has a word to say about that. >> tucker: what would happen if you showed up to the airport without a driver's license and said it, i have a moral right to get on this plane into a racist for not letting me on. what that work? >> we are bifurcating into a society where the law-abiding are subject to evermore while the lawless have somehow venerated and fetish us. >> tucker: but you actually are foreign board born. and i was crossing derby line,

and rather they threaten to call eyes and have my daughter deported. then she'd be in canada and he would be stuck here in america, and i said i would be much of a father if i did that because i will tell you 10 minutes after you deport her, i will bring her back to whatever country you deport her too. because of the price and being in america is that i have to be separated from my children, then i passed. and i'm surprised, frankly, and all of these hardworking people are being snatched from the bosoms of their mothers. it's soulful and heartbreaking, why don't we just say at the border, you can come in but if you do your children will be taken from you. then people will say i don't want to be separated for my children, can i go back across the rio grande to the southern shore. that's a different between the lawful end of the lawless. >> tucker: i can promise you that you are the only person on

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>> he had no problem taking kids and putting guns to their heads and then demanding with the rest of the country do what they wanted them to do. and it recognize that we are operating with a white nationalist government that will take children hostage to get what they want. >> they come to the border with nothing. you are a parent of young children.

don't you have any empathy for what they go through? >> after talking to the people and watching the people, listening to the people, the statue of liberty i think is weeping right now. >> tucker: the democratic party is all for open borders, but, the kind of broke the book, "outrage incorporated." he spent a year thinking about, researching and writing about how outrage is jumped up in the list political area. >> you have perfect examples of that. they don't want people to feel and they don't want people to think. i'm not governed by that, and,

that's based on particulars of any given moment or circumstance. the law has to be applied equally as uncomfortable as it is, but instead we have grandstanding reporters. they are trying to gin up emotion to prevent rational thought. it's brilliant marketing but it is really diabolical. >> tucker: it is marketable because it serves a larger purpose. i would say it's a democratic congress, but these policies are long-standing. i mean long-standing. long-standing. all of a sudden as of yesterday of the most pressing thing that ever happened. >> the liberal politicians gin it up. if you ask ten people what the democrats were running on, i think nine of them in the tents

would know there is election coming in november. they need to keep people angry and afraid. they spew the emotion, and they roll out the made-for-tv scientists and the hollywood celebrities come rolling in like the final final running back ae end zone push to try to drive it home. it's all what is happening in the obama administration and it's not even mentioned. one of the things you have to do first and foremost is to be honest about it, and they are doing that because they don't really want to address the problem. they want to gin up emotion around the problem so that people are motivated to vote. they are afraid. michael steele, the other day on msnbc, said now if we don't get at this now, your children could be next. he's insane, he should know better. normally he is a rational person

but he is swept up in this or he is a willing participant, i don't know. that's the mentality of it. it is all pure emotion and no rational thought. same thing on race. there are more people who attend of wnba games which is the least popular sport on the planet than are members of the clan in the country. and in 1920, tucker, there were 106 million people in the country and 4 million members of the clan. if you don't call going for about 3% of the country to a rounding error, nothing is progress and we don't want people to know there is progress, which they are. >> outrage incorporated, out tomorrow.

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and greenberg was apparently an fbi informant, and he believes the entire scheme was an effort by the fbi to set up the trump campaign. what is the truth? andy mccartney is a contributor counterfeiting editor at the national review and he joins us tonight. what do you make of the story? >> it's yet another one of these stories where there is a russian involved. there must be collusion and it must fit into the narrative somehow, but it really doesn't -- there is no limit your connection anymore to me at least for all these stories and what the original allegation was, which was there was a conspiracy between the trump campaign and the kremlin. not just assorted russians, but the russian government, to commit espionage to overturn the election or to change the result

of the election. and i think, you know, if there was anything to this particular story, we will have to wait to see all the facts that come out, but why aren't people in handcuffs already? how many people has he charged? and has no one been charged with any kind of collusion effect? >> tucker: it will that's absolutely right. the guy apparently had worked for the fbi before, he cited the fbi" list of the cell phone number of an fbi agent and the number of his immigration applications. apparently he was on their payroll in some capacity. coming to the trump campaign offering secrets from the russian government, now he would seek out the texts that proved that it happened. what are the odds that that is not an fbi operation? >> this guy apparently worked

for the fbi for 17 years and supposedly according to his version of it, just ended that relationship in 2013. in my experience, for what it's worth, there are like officially signed up informants and there are informants who spoke around and listen to stuff. when i was a prosecutor i learned not to believe in coincidence. >> abdul stopped believing this long ago. this guy seemed like a schoolgirl. a trustworthy man on this topic. a chicago public school decided that career day was the perfect time to lecture kids, so they brought in a self-proclaimed cop killer. that story is next.

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>> tucker: at career day in elementary school is a great chance to get kids dreaming about their futures, when they can grow up and become teachers, doctors, and apparently, cop haters. one elementary school in chicago enraged parents understandably after the principal invited an activist to the school who routinely post a violent anti-cop rhetoric online. matt has all the details. >> mary beth could not suddenly retired with just weeks left in the school year, after she invited a police extremist to talk to students at wildwood elementary school here in chicago. that extremist on social media called himself a radical. he posted online, f him and his

family. he also posted the term cp dk which stands for a chicago police department killers. he refers to cops as pigs and posted about killing all the rich people. he has hatred for police because he alleges that a chicago police officer killed his friend with a taser. supposedly she brought him into talk about his poetry and civic work but things went off the rails. >> he told them that all the police were bad and all the police wanted to kill people. i was very disappointed that someone would come into the school and preach hate. tell mike about the police. or even if he was talking about anyone else, it would have upset me. >> she wrote a letter every apology before resigning writing in part, i was present when his narrative took a turnabout policing and i immediately intervened. i care about your children and i would never expose them to this

type of activity. the principal has recently been pressured by some parents to introduce antipolice philosophies to students. nearly every parent we talked to said the principal was doing an excellent job and ended up making this grave mistake. we talked to one chicago police officer whose children went to the school and he said that career day speech was an indoctrination and now the children have been exposed to eat those online accounts. >> i'm insulted and angry. i can't believe she didn't bet him properly. some of the things on his facebook account are horrible. >> ethos declined our request for an interview. i briefly spoke to mary beth could not on the phone and she emphasizes that she suddenly retired and did not resign with many years left in her contract.

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this man got tired of vagrants and gathered up their belongings and threw them in the trash. that man has been charged with

second degree robbery and the area remains a haven for needles and trash as it has for years. if i showed up on your front lawn with a sleeping bag and a case of vodka, and sort of moved in to stay, which i may do, would you be arrested for trying to make me leave? >> well, i would be dumb i could you and be happy to have a conversation with you and hope we could have dinner sometime. but even more to the point, the person who through the belongings in this case of a homeless man into the lake and install somebody else's cell phone, that person would be prosecuted whether the person they did that too was homeless or not. however as to the deeper solution, tomorrow the city of oakland will be debating our budget and i will be fighting for better solutions to homelessness. we need to help people live in

situations other than our streets and sidewalks, even though while i absolutely condemn this assault and condemn it no matter who it was done to. >> tucker: it just seems like the cards are kind of stacked against normal people. married people with kids and it jobs, kind of like the a backbone of america. they are having a tougher time living in the state, so they are getting arrested as you know. people are getting arrested for taking homeless that tree is up trash off of the property but they are getting arrested for in public? what's behind that? >> certainly if people want to volunteer to clean up our lakes, or public ways, we have lots of opportunities for volunteerism. this was not an act of cleaning up the lake. in stealing someone's belonging belongings. >> tucker: but wait a second, we have a ready-made group of people, many of them young with tons of time on their hands and recall them, for the homeless.

why don't they clean up their? why are they the ones littering, why are they cleaning up? >> it's not the people that are littering, and 85% of the illegal dumping is coming from a variety of illegal sources. so the illegal dumping that we are fighting to crack down on is -- >> tucker: so you are getting to the cause -- okay. >> as well as providing better places for the homeless to be. in other words it's not enough to say where we don't want people to go, we need to provide the places and i'm siting for us to use public lands, churches to volunteer for use of their sites where they can get assistance and they can get matched with social services and it turned their lives around while living in places better than the sidewalk. >> tucker: churches have a lot

of space in california in which nobody goes. let me ask you one -- >> if you didn't want to come but i'd be happy to remind us all that we are judged by how we treat people. >> tucker: i agree with that, why is it that california's so-called homeless problem is often blamed on housing costs. and in most cities they are really high because of the only rich people that live there. but tokyo has even higher housing prices and no homeless problem. what does tokyo know that oakland and san francisco don't know. >> most other democracies in the world devote a larger share of the public funded to helping the homeless to providing social services. >> they don't have a ton of broken families and drug problems in japan. and the fact that a lot of

people are living outside on heroin? >> we actually have a very sad situation of families living outside. we have people living on the streets who get up and go to work every day and come back. after working all day because housing is so scarce and so expensive. and i will be fighting for us to do more. >> have you thought about the tokyo thing? because they don't spend more money than you do on the homeless. maybe there is a solution there, and i don't know if we will solve it on the show because we are almost out of time but have you thought about that? >> most of the countries have universal health care. people don't get pushed into dire straits because of the health care cost. >> tucker: all right, sorry we are out of time. thank you. i hope you will come back any time, it's great to see you.

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i totally could've... (wife) nope! switching to allstate is worth it. >> we made the point that much of the news americans are told is factual turns out to be propaganda. human beings lie. powerful people tend to rely quite a bit in order to protect their prerogatives. journalists of the ability to research shape perception are especially vulnerable to dishonesty. there is nothing controversial about that. it's true. yet maybe not surprisingly, a lot of reporters found it deeply offensive. reporter at "the new york times" called it "repugnant." he said it's "literally damaging to our democracy that anyone would doubt the accuracy of his newspaper."

question "the new york times" that america falls apart. pretty funny. in other news, carrier has announced it's immoral to not use air conditioning. as is so often the case, the opposite is true. skepticism is not unpatriotic. it's your duty. principled questions don't destroy democracy. they sustain it. people in charge don't like to be second-guessed and why would they? a skeptical population makes their lives more completed. they would like you to swallow your medicine without complaint. shut up and obey. don't ask questions. except what you are told and get back to work. that's a lot to ask. especially coming from "the new york times" where there's a lot of interesting detail in that newspaper day-to-day and good for them for printing it. but there's also an awful lot of lying, especially about the big things. remember when "the new york times" spent an entire year assuring us that saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction? we went to war over it. many thousands died, and it was a lie. how about when the times told us

barack obama's toppling of muammar qaddafi would turn libya into "a productive partner with the west." it will be interesting to know what the families now being sold in libya is open slave market think of that prediction. who can forget this times headline from the spring of 1975 when the khmer rouge took over cambodia. "for most, a better life." a third of the population went on to die in genocide in cambodia. the times has yet to issue a correction. nowadays, the times is hyping the russian hoax telling us moscow is the greatest threat to this country when it's clearly not. the paper is trying to provoke yet another pointless war in syria by pushing the claim that bashar al-assad gassed his own people. at times reporters pretension over short and that have happened. they don't know it for certain. they are lying. we could go on. we are not making a partisan point. "the new york times" is hardly the only powerful institution that distorts the truth. someday soon may be this week,

the republican leadership in the house may announce an amnesty for more than a million people in the country illegally. they will tell you letting foreigners ignore our laws is good for america. don't believe them. they are lying. our country has changed a lot on the divide is no longer between republicans and democrats were given between left and right. it's really between the incompetents in charge and everyone else. a small group of people has become rich and powerful, mismanaging this country. i have written a book about them. it is called "ship of fools," out in october. order it now if you want. if you don't reflexively owe anybody or legions outside your immediate family that includes the news media. you don't have to hate the people in charge but be sure to stay skeptical. they lie a lot. that's about it for us tonight. what a great hour. tune in to the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and especially

groupthink which is in abundance right now. my word. have a great night. we'll be back tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. in the meantime, the great sean hannity is back in the united states. they let to a man and he's in new york city for the hour. >> sean: it's 9:00 p.m. in new york city, 9:00 p.m. and our nation's capital 9:00 a.m. instinct -- in singapore and thankfully i'm home. leading with developing stories. huge breaking news. house judiciary committee announced they will be issuing a subpoena to anti-trump fbi agent peter strzok. the process of the entire deep state being held accountable is now just beginning. all this comes as the inspector general michael horowitz and the fbi director christopher wray appeared before the senate judiciary committee today in order to explain thursday's 500-plus page ig report. days after the findings were released, we are still uncovering more shocking instances of what is rampant bias,amnt