i'm not sure i can arrange it. >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." we have sad news. writer, physician, and longtime fox news contributor charles krauthammer died today at the age of 68. he leaves behind his wife, robyn, who he married in 1964, and their son, daniel. also mourning his death are his many friends at this network and millions of viewers who knew and loved charles from watching him every night as they did. ask any fox anchor, who is the person people at the airport ask about the most, and every single one will tell you, charles krauthammer. fox viewers loved charles, and it wasn't because he pandered to them. he didn't. sometimes he took positions they disliked or hated, but viewers not only forgave him for doing that, they seemed to love him more. they could see his brilliance but they could also feel his

sincerity. charles always said what he thought was true. he was an honest and genuinely decent man and it shone through. it was not a pose. charles also may be the bravest man i met personally. it takes courage to stay cheerful and humane for 68 years, doubly so given the remarkable challenges that he faced in the last 44 of those years. but he did it. charles was totally unintimidated all the way through, brave and clear thinking to the end. what a man. tonight we want to talk to some of the people that knew him best here at fox, starting with his friend of many years, brit hume, who joins us tonight. brit, people loved charles krauthammer, even those who disagreed with him. what was it about him that they were responding to? >> it was a rare combination, tucker, in the sense that he had this extraordinary intellect and one that all of us sort of admired and none of us realized -- none of us thought

we could ever come close to equaling. he was literally in a class by himself. he was one of a kind. and on top of that, he had, for all of the sharpness of his thought and writing, he was extraordinarily kind and gentle. and the combination made you love him, and we did, all of us did. the audience did. you couldn't help it. you think about what we're doing tonight, tucker, we are all feeling sad and sorry, but we've been on the air since 6:00 when this news broke, and we are talking about this one subject. and, you know, you might say, that's because, you know, he was on fox if he was their guy. yeah, that's true. but he was a giant of our time and all of our trade, and he carried it out to the highest standards. he wrote beautifully. he was careful about his facts. he thought things through. and he conducted himself with

extraordinary dignity and grace and we could all see it and can only aspire to it. >> tucker: no bitterness, pure humanity. his instincts were so relentlessly decent. i don't think i knew anyone who disliked him. >> no. i know people who disagreed with him, and they were sometimes annoyed or offended by, you know, the sharpness with which he wrote, people who were not as sympathetic to israel as charles unfailingly was. but on a personal level, if you ever saw him or watched him, you couldn't -- you couldn't dislike him. you couldn't help but admire him, even if you disagreed with him. you recognized the power of his thought, the thoroughness of his research, and the quality of his writing, and the combination was strong. if you know him personally, that wonderful quality he had, that kindness, gentleness, grace. if you know what he had been through, you saw the way he handled all that, you admired

him as he probably didn't admire anyone else. i can't think of anyone that i admired more than i admired charles krauthammer and do to this day. >> tucker: you speak for so many when you say that. brit hume, thank you, another truly good man. thanks. maybe no one in his professional life knew him and worked with him more closely than bret baier did, of course, "special report," he joins us tonight. bret, thank you for coming on. i know how close you were to charles, so i hesitate almost to ask you about it, but you are the person to talk to. sum him up to the extent you can. >> yeah, tucker, thanks for having me. i'm sorry i'm out of pocket today of all days. it's tremendously sad. brit was really eloquent in describing charles. he was so wise, so brilliant,

but also so caring and funny. a lot of people didn't know that part of him. he was really hysterical and could get people laughing. at the commercial breaks on "special report" on the panel, he owned the room. he was also really caring. he was the person who reached out first, or one of the first, every time my son had some open heart surgery or some issue in the hospital. he wanted to know specifics, he wants to know what the doctor said. he wanted to know. and he was like that. not to mention all of the words and wisdom that will be his legacy on every issue under the sun. >> tucker: those that knew him, me included, were so trained not to -- he wanted to deemphasize his own injury and wanted to shift the attention away, not just from that, but from himself. i don't think i've ever met anyone like that. he seemed to want to be judged on television, correct me if i'm

wrong, on the strength -- >> i think you're right. >> tucker: -- of his ideas. >> it took a long time to convince him to do that special where we sat for hours and hours and talked about his life. he, at first, was very uncomfortable about it. when his book came out a few years back, "things that matter," which i recommend to people, it is amazing to see the writings in his way, we have a special tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. that are his words as well as the words of people who remember him, and i think people are going to enjoy looking back at that. >> tucker: in a moment where everyone wants to talk about themselves nonstop and the challenges they have overcome and blah, blah, blah, charles was the opposite. he did not want to talk about himself. i don't know if i know anyone else like that. >> what a wonderful quality. he said there were so many issues that we could talk about, and he did it so well. tucker, he could get to the point better than anybody.

he could cut through the noise. and no matter if you agreed with him or disagreed with him, he was somebody that he could just get to the point, and people really appreciated that. the panel dynamic -- as you know, you were on the panel many times -- was organic. it was a discussion, it wasn't planned out. that was charles. he was an op-ed, essentially, every time he sat there. >> tucker: yeah. he was the axle around which it revolved. i don't think anybody spent more time on the set with him then you did, that's for sure. bret baier, our condolences to you as well, and thank you for that. i appreciate it. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: we continue our commemoration of life of charles krauthammer, sincerely a great man. >> it's my job to call a folly a folly. >> charles krauthammer, author, columnist, and fox news commentator, lived his life telling others exactly what he thought.

>> you are betraying your whole life if you don't say what you think and you don't say it honestly and bluntly. >> it was that quality that brought charles to fox news channel during brit hume's tenure as anchor. >> this is not a man designed for television. you look at him and say, not a potential tv star. he became a huge star. almost a megastar on this channel. and it was the sheer force of his belecht and the power of his thinking. and on top of that, there was a gentleness around him personally, if he disagreed with you, you never felt attacked. he just disagreed with you. >> it was unspoken on the panel that he was the leader because of his delivery, his intellect. >> the "special report" stage manager was on set with him for years. >> it was an ongoing joke on the panel that bret baier has a signal, when people need to wrap up, give him 30, puts his arm out, and charles was on the show forever, and we always laughed. i don't think he paid attention to that once. he had something to say, he was

going to say it. no time restraints. >> born in 1950s new york to jewish parents who left world war ii-era europe, charles' father raised his son to value the pursuit of knowledge. >> his motto for us was, i want you to know everything. i want you to learn everything. you don't have to do everything, but you've got to know everything. he thought that was part of life. >> the family lived in montreal and summered at their cottage in long beach new york. >> it was a paradisical childhood. they were inseparable. he insisted i be included so i got used to being around the big boys, taking the slings and arrows, that's how you get toughened up. >> krauthammer became captivated by political journalism. he applied to medical school to appease his family and was accepted to harvard. but krauthammer put off attending and enrolled at oxford instead. it was there that he met a fellow student from australia, robyn, who would later become

his wife. charles reversed course and headed back to the u.s. to attend harvard. >> why did you choose psychiatry? >> i was looking for something halfway between the reality of medicine and the elegance, if you like, of philosophy. so psychiatry was the obvious thing. >> it was there that one unexpected moment, a tragic diving accident, changed charles' life forever. >> it just hit at precisely the angle were all the force is transmitted to one spot, and that is the cervical vertebra which severed the spinal cord. >> when did you realize that the accident was life-altering? >> the second it happened. >> despite his permanent paralysis, charles started his professors and classmates by graduating on time, near the top of his class. ultimately he decided the field wasn't for him, a career reversal he joked about on fox decades later. >> i'm a psychiatrist in remission.

doing very well. haven't had a relapse and 25 years. >> in 1978, krauthammer headed to washington, d.c., for a government job. >> i thought, what's in washington, isn't that where they do politics? one thing lead to another. >> robyn encouraged him to follow his dreams, and he soon landed at the left-leading "new republic" magazine. just as reagan was taking office. >> he found himself agreeing with the new president and questions his own feelings about the democratic party. >> ended up supporting just about every element of the reagan foreign policy. >> months after reagan's reelection, krauthammer penned the phrase "the reagan doctrine" in a provocative "time" magazine column and the name stuck. >> he created the reagan doctrine. charles put together a piece and dubbed it. i've read it many times.

it just holds up so well. i think charles discovered then that there was a lot to reagan. >> but it would take years before charles fully embraced domestic conservative ideas. >> it took me about a decade. i was skeptical of tax cuts. i was skeptical of smaller government at the beginning. then by the end of the '80s, i had changed. >> in 1985, his son, daniel, was born. two years later, charles won the biggest honor in journalism, the pulitzer prize. [sirens blaring] >> but it was september 11, 2001, that brought a more forceful tone to his commentary and a regular spot on the "special report" panel. over the years, charles became an audience favorite. >> the biggest error we make is to lose the damn war because we refuse to recognize who the enemy is and what it requires. for god's sake, why do we have to talk about that? when the morning is over, it's done, if you're conservative, you should be optimistic. i think it will snow in hell before the doj is going to go after her.

we all were expecting it. it didn't happen, that was the dog that didn't bark. >> despite all of his accomplishments, awards, high-profile endorsements, krauthammer was always humble and, at times, uneasy at the influence his words held. >> i think about it, and i find it worrisome. the reason is, when i was totally unknown, i could say anything i damn well pleased. woman: it felt great not having hepatitis c. it's like a load off my shoulders. i was just excited for it to be over. harvoni is a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. it's been prescribed to more than a quarter million people and is proven to cure up to 99% of patients who have had no prior treatment with 12 weeks. certain patients can be cured

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take advantage of our political system to hurt us and help themselves. we are right to be worried about that. it's actually happening. the chief offender is not russia though. it's mexico. mexican authorities encourage illegal immigration into our country. they publish instructions showing illegal aliens how to evade deportation from here. they guide migrant caravans north on their way to america. they send their poorest people here because it's cheaper than taking care of them there. america is now mexico's social safety net, and that is a very good deal for the mexican ruling class. in ten days, mexican voters will select a new president. the favorite in that race, as of tonight, is andres manuel lopez obrador who said in a speech on tuesday that under his president his administration will "defend all the migrants in the american continent and all of the migrants who must leave their world and find a life in the united states."

he added that everybody in this world has a human right to enter our country, the united states of america. and when you think about it, you can see why he feels that way. in a recent speech, he also admitted that the mexican economy is dependent upon remittances from the u.s. to mexico. by the way, lopez obrador has suggested that he may give amnesty to mexico's drug cartels. those are the people that produce the opioids that have destroyed the center of this country, the one that killed tens of thousands of americans, every year. the fentanyl that kills millions of americans. they get off scot-free. we are told over and over again that immigrants are eager to assimilate here, but apparently lopez obrador didn't get that memo. just last year he campaigned for the presidency of mexico in more than a dozen american cities. mexican citizens living abroad are still about to vote back on.

-- back home. jorge ramos is one of us american citizens, he joins us tonight. jorge, thank you very much for coming on. tell me a little more about this right of all the people in the world to come to the united states. where does that right come from? >> let me just say right at the beginning, i'm an independent journalist, i don't speak for the mexican government nor for lopez obrador or any other presidential candidate. but lopez obrador, on top of the polls right now, reaching almost 50%. he's a leftist candidate. and what he has said is that he is vowing to be a president for the 130 million mexicans in mexico and for the about 12 million mexicans here in the united states. don't expect lopez obrador to be a spineless and weak president like pena nieto. it will be a completely different relationship between lopez obrador if we wins and president donald trump. >> tucker: it sounds that way, but unlike you -- i'm an american, i only vote in this country, i only can. i'm only a citizen of this country. why would i or any of the other

american citizens watching tonight think that it's a good thing that a president of another country is declaring that the world has the right to move here? that's a hostile act aimed at us. why would he be for that? >> i don't know why he said that, but what i can tell you is that he wants to protect the 12 million mexicans living here and the 35 million people in this country from mexican origin. so it's going to be different. you remember with enrique pena nieto, he invited then-candidate donald trump to the mexican white house, and mexicans were outraged by him doing that. lopez obrador is going to be completely different. as a matter of fact, just recently lopez obrador said that this policy of family separation is racist. in other words, if he becomes president, and he would be december 1st, he would be completely different than pena nieto with donald trump.

>> tucker: so we are getting another racism lecture from a rich white mexican ruling class member. okay. just want to clarify that. hold on. to get racism lecturs from any mexican official who presides over one of the most racist countries in the world -- most americans don't understand that. i have spent enough time there -- >> but it's racist what is happening -- but it is racism. let me just say why. what are the number of american kids in cages right now? zero. what is the number of central american, mexican kids in cages? 2300. >> tucker: no one is being detained because of the color of his skin. this is in mexico. in mexico, giving rise to levels of prominence because it's too racist. as you know. again, mexican citizens are in a position to lecture americans about racism. let's start there. >> it is racism what is happening.

>> tucker: of course it's not racism. it's called demagoguery. >> it's racism and torture. >> tucker: that's absurd. >> it's not absurd. >> tucker: if mexicans come here to assimilate and become americans, which is what we are always being told. they want to be part of the american dream. then why is the guy running for the president of mexico campaigning among them? it doesn't sound like they are assimilating. it sounds like they are mexican citizens extracting what they can from our country. >> two things here. first of all, under mexican law, mexicans living abroad, they are allowed to vote. and many will be doing that on july 1st. including me. >> tucker: but why would they? if they believe in america and they are assimilated into america -- >> you can actually be part of -- you can assimilate and be part of the united states and still believe that you can participate politically in mexico. those are the laws. >> tucker: but you wouldn't participate in an election --

hold on. but you wouldn't participate in an election unless he felt that politician was representing you. if you were an american and you identified with the united states, what they do in mexico doesn't concern you. you can't be assimilated in america and still be voting in a foreign election. it doesn't make sense. >> but it does, because you would expect, in this case, the president of mexico, to defend mexican immigrants are central american or latin american immigrants if something happens to them. we just had the crisis right now at the border. you would expect the mexican president to defend you if something happens to you in the united states, of course. that's why he is campaigning. >> tucker: now i'm even more confused. if those are his people, his citizens, he was representing them, so it willing their votes which he is doing, why doesn't he want them to live in mexico? >> many of them left for many different reasons.

as you know, immigration has to do with supply and demand. if there are jobs for them here in the united states and there are not -- >> tucker: oh, i get it. we are going to figure out how to do that. >> immigrants contribute billions of dollars to the american economy. >> tucker: [laughs] right. thank you. absolutely, absolutely. thank you for joining us tonight. well, in their for open borders, -- well, in their desire for open borders, the left has gone away from the basics of civilized discourse. why aren't leaders on the left doing anything to tone down the rhetoric? because it is out of control. i'll give you examples next. no matter who rides point, there are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. call one today. are you in good hands? you shouldn't be rushed into booking a hotel. with expedia's add-on advantage, booking a flight unlocks discounts on select hotels

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>> tucker: so the frenzy over family separation of the border seems to h >> tucker: so the frenzy over family separation of the border seems to have peaked, at least for the moment. now that the smoke is settling, we are learning will be always learning these things. it turns out the issue was a lot more complicated than they were telling us on tv. the policy in question, for example, is not at all new. watch as senator tammy baldwin tries to explain away that fact. >> as so many people in the country are certainly outraged by the cages and the thermal blankets in the facilities housing these kids, you know, they were all there in 2014 under president obama, and my question to you, senator baldwin, is, did you speak up against them then? >> you know, on this issue that we get into where we are getting

into moments where we are making progress and then when it stalls, we turn around. >> tucker: so the people in charge misrepresenting the facts. they were lying to you -- no surprise there. what's different is, and it is different, how they did at this time. there was a harshness to the moral panic that most of us hadn't seen before. the usual people yelling on tv were saying things adults didn't used to say and public even a few months ago. they seemed hysterical, crazed, nihilistic. something had changed. it was creepy. in case you've forgotten, here's a selection from msnbc. >> what the trump administration has entered into is a war of terror with the cartels in central america in which they have now said, we must terrorize people more than the cartels are terrorizing people in their home country so they don't come here, and that is a bidding war that is ghastly and a moral abomination and one i pray that we cannot possibly win.

>> three tender age shelters in south texas, lawyers and medical providers just -- i think i'm going to have to hand this off, yeah. sorry. that's it for us tonight. now it is time to go down to brownsville, texas. >> tucker: so according to msnbc, trump is literally worse than the mexican drug cartels, the ones that behead people. needless to say, is also a racist. >> i do not believe that president trump would implement this at the canadian border and do this to white children. >> the president appears to have a blind spot as it relates to compassion or the lack thereof for communities of color, for vulnerable communities, for people of diversity. >> sexism, racism, white supremacy, thuggery, bigotry, along with complicit men and

women within the administration. >> tucker: what you are watching there is propaganda. over time, it's effective, and, of course, that's why they do it. but what does it to the country? just ask the dhs secretary, kirstjen nielsen. she tried to have dinner at a restaurant in downtown washington, and here's what happened. >> shame! shame! shame! shame! shame! shame! shame! shame! shame! >> tucker: so one of the guards you just heard screaming is a current, as it turns out, department of justice employee named allison, she was proud to be there, she later told the reporter, anyone who sees kirstjen nielsen at dinner, anyone who sees anyone who works at d.h.s. or i.c.e. at dinner can confront

them like this, that's what we hope this will inspire people to do. if we disagree with your political views, you no longer have rights, including your rights to go outside or eat in restaurants. is that really a precedent that we are comfortable with establishing? yes, explains a writer at "the guardian." she says that nielsen should never be allowed to show her face in public again. at the "washington post," there was agreement with that. "girl, bye," she tweeted. "i'm, frankly, astonished she dare show her face in public." this is a definition of mob justice. nielsen's real sin was dareing to eat mexican food. >> we go to break, secretary kirstjen nielsen, she made the very tone-deaf ivanka-like decision to dine at a mexican restaurant. >> tucker: on cnn there was the same response.

are there no norwegian restaurants in washington, d.c., she asked? in other words, when it comes to eating, stick to your own race. oh. stop the race mixing, mean dhs secretary. keep in mind, there was a time not so long ago when liberals opposed segregation. there was also a time when liberals supported nonviolence. no longer. splinter a website owned by univision posted white house aide stephen miller's personal cell phone number. the right of privacy doesn't apply to those who oppose the left. a professor at nyu put personal information about i.c.e. employees on the internet. his readers got the message. in case that message was too subtle, here is actor peter fonda on twitter encouraging his fellow progressives, "get the addresses of the i.c.e. agents and surround their homes in protest. we should find out what homes -- schools their children go to and surround the schools in protest. we don't have to take the agents' kids, we only need to surround their schools and scare the bleep out of them, we need

to make their children worry now." and then fonda wrote this. about the current d.h.s. secretary. the gash should be pilloried in lafayette square >> tucker: just another day on progressive twitter. where is all of this going? you know the answer to that. you can feel where it's going. the question is, how did we get there? that's not complicated either. over the past couple of days, trump administration officials have been compared to the nazis dozens of time. on cnn and msnbc. what is the effect of is that? think about that for a second. if you really believe nazis were taking power in your country, what would you do, you would have an obligation to act, to use force, maybe you would start by screaming at people in restaurants, but you wouldn't stop there.

you might try to assassinate members of congress at a baseball practice. who knows what you would do. hurting nazis wouldn't make you a bad person. i would make you a good person. progressive try to cool down the tone. they don't try. where is chuck schumer in this? how about nancy pelosi? they are okay with republican officials being mobbed in public? they haven't said otherwise. apparently they are. what about cnn or nbc, okay with their contributors calling fellow americans nazis on tv? there certainly benefiting from it, for now, anyway, until things fall completely apart. at this pace, it went belong. -- it won't be long. joining us to make sense of this is our friend dave rubin. it seems to me, i host a debate show, i have for many years, i'm for debate, i'm for a

contentious debate, but calling people nazis does seem to cross some kind of line. because if you really thought nazis were taking over your country, wouldn't you have a moral obligation to hurt them? >> yes, you would. and, tucker, as you know, on my show for the last couple of years, i am someone that comes from the left. i was a progressive. i still consider myself a liberal, although that word has been hijacked over the past couple of years. but the issue that i have been calling out on the left are the issues you're talking about right there. those quotes from the msnbc host, the clips you just played, this is what the arguments of the left have been whittled down to. everyone -- in your conversation right now with jorge ramos, everything comes down to everyone else being a racist or a bigot or somehow acting in prejudice. and this is a horrific, horrific way to enter an argument into public space because then you keep calling people nazis, then

you say it's okay to punch nazis. now you can punch everybody. you can dox people, you can do whatever you want to them. if you ask me, really, if you follow what i have done, that will be the outcome of all of this. very quickly on the nazi part of this, the nazis, beyond exterminating millions and millions of people, they did not let their own citizens leave the country. they didn't let the jews leave, they put their own citizens in concentration camps to slaughter their own people. this wasn't people that couldn't come into their country. this is a massive difference. of course, there is a million other differences. but the hyperbole is so over the top, it just doesn't seem like anyone is going to reign it in. where are the leaders,

chuck schumer, what did he say a day or two ago? he wants to make this about trump. we've got trump basically versus this awful machine, and i don't see any way it's going to stop. the last couple days on social media, twitter can be horrific, but the last couple of days, a toxic nightmare. for the few of us that want to engage in honest conversation, look you and i have a bunch of political differences, but we can always do this respectfully. that is being lost. the silver lining to this is, a lot of people watching you, a lot of people watching me, and i think there is a growing counterbalance. but they are not as hysterical as everybody else. >> tucker: these people are playing with fire, and they've got to slow down. not moving in the light direction. dave, thank you very much for your perspective. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: democratic politicians used to quietly pursue open borders. now they are openly calling for open borders. we will talk a congressional candidate that wants to abolish i.c.e. next. al

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intense, its policy demands are changing too. across the country, politicians and activists are demanding the total abolition of i.c.e., presumably an end to all immigration enforcement. matt haggman is a democratic congressional candidate in florida, he put out this campaign ad. >> i.c.e. under trump targets children. in congress, i'll work to close i.c.e. down. we can protect our borders without being cruel to kids. khalid sheikhkhalid sheikh -- dr chance. i'm time for a new day. i approve this message. >> thank you for coming on. >> thank you. great to be here. >> tucker: let me say, and i mean this with sincerity, i appreciate your honesty, i like when people say what they think, and you have pretty good for you. any other law enforcement

agencies we should get rid of? how about the coast guard? >> going to break, you said i was for open borders. i am not. i.c.e. has been tearing apart families. this is not who we are. but while i say that we need to abolish i.c.e., i am still for strong borders, and we still have customs and border patrol, and we still have limited and humane immigration enforcement in this country. let's remember -- >> tucker: let me ask you a question. >> if i might. i.c.e. has been here for 15 years, tucker. a 15-year experiment. prior to that, we were able to enforce our immigration laws humanely. and in a limited way. we need to get back to that. >> tucker: the laws haven't changed much. to dig down since you are getting the i.c.e. question more deeply, is there something immoral about the i.c.e. employees? a lot of people have compared them to nazis. do you think they are bad people? >> that's absurd, tucker. >> tucker: it's not absurd, hold on a moment. so i.c.e. carries out the laws passed by the congress.

you want to serve in the congress. you are not calling for specific laws. you're saying you want to get rid of this one specific agency. what is specifically wrong with i.c.e.? something wrong with the people? obviously if you want to abolish them. >> i.c.e. going on buses and asking for papers. i.c.e. now going to schools and churches and taking people off the street. the other day i was just reading about someone -- >> tucker: why do you think they are doing that? >> that's the point. we created this stand-alone enforcement -- >> i'm here to learn from you. you want to get rid of them. why do you think they are doing this stuff? >> i.c.e. is out of hand in its approach in terms of how, before when we had enforcement, it was -- >> tucker: but why? >> if i may -- >> tucker. no, you may not, you already have. i want you to continue to answer this question, which is, why do you think they are that way? you say they are doing these

horrible things. why do you think they are doing these horrible things. >> because it is an agency set up solely around enforcement rather than set up -- it was set up in 2003. rather than an agency set up to both govern and enforce immigration rules in this country. we are a country of immigrants. >> tucker: maybe it's my fault for wanting specific answers, but what does that mean? it's a law enforcement agency that should just enforce laws? >> take, for example, what we had before. >> tucker: i want to talk about i.c.e. you want to abolish i.c.e. help me understand your position. >> i do want to abolish i.c.e. >> tucker: you want them to do things other than enforcing the law. what should those things be? >> tucker, the way we had it before under ins, something like that, we can enforce our laws through another mechanism, not i.c.e., which is out of hand. >> tucker: what's wrong with i.c.e.? [laughs] matt, i'm trying, i'm trying!

if you're ever in washington call me. i'd love to hear more about it. thank you for coming on, i appreciate that. an advisor to the term presidential campaign thinks he may have been targeted by an fbi informant in 2016, and he has evidence to suggest he was. that advisor joins us with details next. evidence to suggest he was. that advisor joins us with details ♪ come to my window. ohhh. ♪ crawl inside, wait by the light of the moon. ♪ applebee's to go. order online and get 20% off $20. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood.

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>> tucker: fbi spying in the 2016 election could be even more far-reaching than we even knew. michael caputo, a trump advisor, says that in 2016, he and roger stone were approached by a man under the alias "henry greenberg" who asked for $2 million in exchange for dirt

on hillary clinton. greenberg, documents indicate, has worked as an fbi informant over the span of 17 years. he thinks he may have been informing when he approached the campaign. michael caputo joins us tonight. thank you very much for coming on. this is one of those stories that is tantalizing because the facts that we know for certain, or seem to know for certain, it seemed to go to the fbi. he listed the fbi and an fbi agent on an fbi application. he clearly was working in some facet for the fbi. >> he was. right. we do. when i was interviewed by the mueller investigation on may 2nd, i exposed or answered about this greenberg approach in response to a perjury trap. that really angered my interviewer, and his emotional response was a red flag to me. they seem to know more about it than i did. when i got out of my mueller investigation interview, my

gofundme for my legal fund went through the roof, and i used some of those funds to hire investigators find out more about henry greenberg. we quickly found out through an immigration and naturalization service filing that he made in 2015 that he signed under oath saying he was an fbi informant for 17 years. also here in iran and north korea, and he provided 14 different fbi informant visas as proof of that. i quickly dug into every aspect of his life. you can see all of it at democratdossier.org. he goes by four other names. he has been in jail ten years in russia, committed assault with a deadly weapon, and before the -- he served time in prison here. and before the fbi had thrown him out of the country, deported him in 2000, but somehow he is back and he

has been living under fbi visas. the question isn't, was he an fbi informant? the question is, did he take time off from his long career as an fbi informant to have lunch off the clock and meet roger stone? that's the question. he is only here because he was working for the f.b.i. otherwise they would have deported him again. >> tucker: this would be, if what you are saying is true, this would be the second verified instant of the obama administration's fbi spying on the trump campaign. how can you find out if that is what was happening? >> a few different things. it could be proof that this investigation from the obama administration began two months earlier than they are admitting to right now, as early as may instead of july. we understand that our investigation has emboldened investigators from congress, we believe that it is very easy for them if they can get documents out of the doj to find out if

henry greenberg, who goes by many other names. if he was under another f.b.i. informant visa. >> tucker: they should find out. they should. i don't care if nobody thinks it's a big deal. it was a big deal. michael caputo, appreciate that. appreciate it. tell us what you find out if you would. we'll be back in a moment. hey! we didn't have a homeowners claim last year so allstate is giving us money back on our bill. well, that seems fair. we didn't use it.

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>> tucker: many of us here at fox lost a dear friend when charles krauthammer passed away today. tomorrow night right after this show we will commemorate his remarkable life with the special charles krauthammer "his words." shortly before his death, charles wrote these words which are worth remembering. or quoting. "i leave this life with no regrets. it was a wonderful life. full and complete. with the great loves and the great endeavors that make it

worth living. i am sad to leave but i leave with the knowledge that i lived the life that i intended." the great charles krauthammer. that is it for us. we hand it over to sean hannity in new york. see you tomorrow. >> sean: great words. charles krauthammer, his entire life was a profile in courage. intellectual powerhouse and a great patriot. we have a tribute to him later in the program. welcome to "hannity." we start with major breaking news. right now we hear talk there may be a vote in the house of representatives to end the mueller witch hunt. we'll have more in a moment. hypocrisy in the moment over the top, over the boiling point and with the midterms around the corner you have democrats and of course the willing accomplices in the main stream media. now trying to use illegal immigration to divide america. very predictable. meanwhile, the president is trying to fix our broken system and doing their job and undoing