tomorrow night, instead of this program, the hour goes to charles. a special program. "charles krauthammer: his words." the man we all loved. that is all for us tonight we laura ingraham takes it away. >> laura: sean, thank you so much. fantastic tribute. i'm laura ingraham. this is "the ingraham angle." as sean just mentioned, our hearts are heavy here at fox and of course, the sad news, charles krauthammer, beloved columnist, father, husband, of course, contributed to fox news, pulitzer prize winner, political commentator died today at age 68. his death was a shock but was not unexpected. he told us two weeks ago that he had terminal cancer and not too long to live. charles became a larger-than-life figure during his decade at fox news. he was one of the most respected political analysts in washington, i think in the united states, no doubt about it, and a beloved presence in the newsroom here. charles was seldom at a lost for words but he often put others in

that position, as i know personally. it was his humor, i think, that a lot of us, as we smile tonight remembering him, or thinking about tonight. >> all kinds of folks, for the last year, in the end, hillary's not going to run. i said 100%, she would run, unless she is struck by lightning. there is no lightning. i think there is some people who get in, and they are not going to get out unless they are beaten. speaking as an amateur psychiatrist. so what if you look like a lucky luciano? it doesn't matter to us at all. >> that is trump for me. [laughter] >> i think he was calling me. [laughter] >> he was definitely calling you. >> mars polander. >> what is the difference

between a democrat and a socialist? >> a democrat is a socialist -- with a filter. >> are we going to fight like they did? >> no, no. >> i said here a week ago that it will snow in hell before the obama doj indicts hillary. i'm willing to entertain a belief in climate change before that. >> let me write that down. i'm tweet that part out. just that part. >> laura: let's bring in our distinguished panel to discuss his life and career. on the phone with us, "special report" anchor, bret baier. in the studio, fox news senior political analyst brit hume, associate editor and columnist at real clear politics, a.b. stoddard, and fox news contributor charlie hurt, opinion editor for "the washington times." boy, all of us have so many memories of charles. before we go to the panel here, bret, you sat in the seat so many nights, as did brit hume,

with charles to your right, and it was always a rollicking ride. in commercial breaks, where all the fun usually happens, and in the online special show, where charles was even funnier that he was on the panel. some reflections tonight? >> yeah, you know, it is a bittersweet moment because i like looking back at those moments, and the fun and humor. i just talked to daniel, who was at his dad's side, along with his wife, robyn, and they've been heartened by some of these memories and some of the stories, and looking at their dad and his prime, charles could light up a room. he could crack a joke. he was my first baseman there on the panel for almost ten years. before that, alongside brit hume. he could cut through the noise of the day, and then crack us up

in the commercial breaks like nobody else could. so he just had a gift. his writing was unlike -- i don't think you are going to see another columnist that had his penetrating kind of wisdom and thoughts and we are going to try to use that as we go on, because he's commented on every issue on the day. and we'll bring him into the conversation as we go forward. >> laura: brit hume. >> we've known this was coming for some weeks now. it barely lessens the sadness of this moment. but what that means is, charles had a chance, in the last few weeks of his life, to hear how we all felt about him. the kind of tribute you just heard from bret, what the rest of us have been saying all day, it wasn't that he was just so brilliant, although he was, he was also so very kind and funny, and we loved him. all of us around here loved him. those of us who might be considered big shots loved him, everybody is love him, as well. i hope you knew that, i suspect he did, and i'm glad he did for

that. >> laura: everyone from the makeup artists, the guys behind the camera who do such good work, and women behind the scenes, everyone knew him. he didn't want to be treated differently, though, than anyone else. you pointed that out. >> you are talking about the breaks, back in the day, "special report, charles was on, he would come in earlier because of the wheelchair, it took him earlier to get into position, which meant that there were two commercial breaks before the time, that i got to spend with charles. every now and then, he would say, a kind word to me about my work. i always felt like the earth and everything that was and it had just been conferred upon me when i got a compliment from charles krauthammer. that's how much i respected him. we all did. how much i loved him. >> laura: a.b., there was a moment on "the daily show" that i had not seen until just before this show tonight. i would like your reaction and thoughts. let's watch. >> 30 years. do you ever look back on some of these writings and think, what

was i thinking? >> it's worse than that. [laughter] >> good. >> the worst part of writing the book was going all the way back and reading the million words i've written, couldn't believe i had written some of that stuff. >> what has the growth process been like? >> the growth process, well, i was once a liberal. [laughter] >> so the early writings showed hope. >> and then came change. [laughter] >> laura: i mean, a.b., you sat next to him on so many evenings. >> just brilliant. i wrote about him last week and i said that the only debate that i ever won in nine years was on the super committee, which was a debt cutting committee, which fell flat on its face, he wrote with great hope about how it all might work out. it was really going to be a great opportunity. when i busted him about it, when

it folded, he said that was one of the times where i wasn't cynical enough. he was never wrong. his prediction didn't come true. usually because he hasn't been cynical enough. but for someone who was so cynical, he was also always full of hope and joy. and he really delighted in the little things, and that was an incredible combination, so stoic, so strong, because of his battle, and what he had to surmount in the wake of it. but then, just as someone who really delighted in the warmth and exchange of people. he loved people. we had a night right here at the table, i'll never forget, early on when i didn't know him well, and i was seated in between him and steve and bret are making some college over drinking jokes, and charles said, that commercial always says to me,

schaefer. the only beer to have when you are having more than one. then he paused perfectly timed, more than one what? and then of course, it was right back to the panel, and we were back on camera, and i was practically under the table. his comedic timing was unbelievable. also, sometimes, just had the delight of a small kid. it was really something to behold. >> laura: psychiatrist, harvard medical school, pulitzer prize, more awards than we can list here. but charles, when he wrote about a political movement or event, he wrote about it in a way that he cut through where so many others were mired in minutia. president reagan, i loved this part, of course this was after reagan's death. he wrote, "optimism is the perfect way to trivialize everything that reagan was or did. optimism, every other person on the number 6 bus is an optimist. what distinguished reagan was what he did and said. reagan was optimistic about america by the cynicism and general retreat of the

post-vietnam era because he believed unfashionably that america was both great and good." i love that. like an old uncle, reagan is so optimistic, but it was optimistic about the goodness of america. i love the fact that he pointed that out. he was always cutting against the conventional wisdom. >> that in and of itself is the optimistic view of america. of course, i have the pleasure of knowing charles far less than anybody sitting at this table, but i remember being a younger boy, growing up in a small town, and we got "the washington post," and i remember my father would rip out his columns and send them to me, give them to me, and that had a profound impact on my interest in newspapers, and obviously politics. he was obviously brilliant, funny, all of these things. that the title of his book, "things that matter," was the most perfect title of a book for

him, because what he did better than anything else was to cut through all the noise and put everything into perspective, with the things that were important, and the things that mattered. >> that book was a collection. collections don't sell. >> laura: it was on the best seller list for a year and a half. >> that sold like hot cakes for years. i think people are still buying it. i got a copy of it. >> i was on the train coming from new york yesterday, there was a guy sitting there reading that book. >> i want to mention bret's special, people have to take that hour and sit down, it is absolutely breathtaking. >> laura: tomorrow night, 9:00 p.m. on fox news, i can't wait to watch it. i've seen bits and pieces, but i haven't seen the whole thing. bret, the night after night after night, election night, primary night, krauthammer was tough on the trump campaign but also very fair.

he and i got into some legendary battles on the panel in the run-up to the election, with george will, his best friend, and it was a spirited debate, was always so much fun, though. he was such a great sparring partner on the issue of rising populism versus the old bush globalism, interventionism. he loved the philosophical back and forth that i think makes "special report" such an important show to have featured him. i know brit hume was the first one to really put him on the show, and that made the difference on that panel. he really -- i know you've missed him since, we've all missed him here at fox. >> yeah. he really was a powerhouse. he loved getting into the politics. he loved engaging with you and tucker and others on the issues

of the day politicalwise. >> i did the bit with the casino and i tried to get panelists to put chips and bets on potential candidates. we had 17 in the beginning of this process, republicans. so he did not put any money on trump and eventually, he was begrudgingly putting five and ten, and he would always put a five chip on one women in song, and he just had a great time with it. he was somebody who i think touched people in a way that, even if you didn't agree with him, you kind of nodded your head and said, all right, i get that. >> laura: brit, trump, we think about what is happening with the big immigration debate, separating the families, i just want to know what krauthammer would be saying. >> me, too. i would love to know that. >> laura: what would he say about the nazi concentration camp issue? >> he was offended by trump.

he was not his candidate. not in any way. >> laura: let's be honest, he thought, as does george will, trump is a horrible vulgarian. he did believe that. let's be honest. >> he thought he was ignorant and ben dacious. >> and the rest of it. >> exactly. >> laura: no love lost. >> once trump was nominated and became president, i think charles, like some of the rest of us, was deeply offended by the coverage of him. he was very fair to trump during the course of his presidency, for as long as charles was able to witness it, a year before we lost him to this terrible illness. >> laura: he had a column in 2011, a.b., called "alone in the universe," one of the columns, you see the title, you got to read it. i went back and read it today. talking about how many galaxies, constellations, life on other planets and so forth. he said at the end, "we grow justly weary of our politics but we must or member this. politics, in all its grubby, grasping, corrupt, contemptible manifestations, is sovereign in

human affairs. everything ultimately rests upon it, fairly or not, politics is the driver of history." i think i would debate him on that because i don't know if politics is that important to most people's lives. but it was important to him and he thought the debates that we were having, of course that was 2011, during the obama administration, all the big questions about how we handle terror and other countries, foreign affairs, were very important. but he always had a very interesting clinical take, psychiatrist take on the afterlife, whether there was an afterlife. i just wonder, like, i just want to have a conversation about this. when i read this, i was like, this is why i loved being on with krauthammer. >> we all do. that was what was so wonderful about his columns, they would go off on all these other huge -- >> laura: being a father. >> the perspective was so broad. the thing about how much he loved politics and believed it was an important debate, and the discourse was so important, even

though it's eroded and degraded so rapidly, he really believed that everyone should be persuadable, at least around the edges. he didn't like people who weren't willing to just be persuaded a bit here and there. and so he tried to bring that to his argument. most of the time it works on people. they would say, even if i didn't agree at the end, i really saw how well he made the point. so he engaged them. and that was an art of persuasion in itself. >> laura: charlie, you worked in a lot of columns in your day, on being a columnist, he wrote, "longevity for a columnist is a simple proposition, once you start, you don't stop. you do it until you die or can no longer put a sentence together. it has always been my intention to die at my desk, although my most cherished ambition is to outlive the estate tax." well, he almost did. we've doubled the estate exemption, so he did pretty well on that. again, humor in the face of

difficulty, and i don't know. that was just another. >> i think he would agree with you in terms of politics is not what everything is about. he is right, politics is about power, who can govern, in that respect, it is the most important thing because it is how we determine what rights we have. at the end of the day, he wanted to go to a baseball game. he would have loved to have been at the nats game tonight. >> they did a tribute to him tonight. >> he would have been embarrassed by that. but he would have loved to have been there. i don't know anybody who squeezed more out of life than dr. krauthammer. >> laura: guys, thank you so much tonight. bret, brit, a.b., and charles, of course. thank you all so much. we will miss you, charles, greatly. a reminder again to watch bret baier's special tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. eastern time entitled "charles krauthammer: his words." as life goes on in washington, president trump schools

democrats on the hard facts on immigration reform, what's going to happen there? you got to hear how clearly he explains what is at stake in this fight for our nation's future. that is next. what is

>> laura: oh, what a shock,

the media on a mission to blame trump for the ongoing crisis of the border but the facts just keep getting in the way. here's a prime example of how they are framing the story. >> he was once again blaming democrats for this crisis at the border when of course it is his because administration's policy that resulted in separation of the families from their children. >> laura: but inconvenient truths keep popping up. this headline. "yes, obama separated families at the border, too." this has been going on for decades. children and adults making this really dangerous journey from central america up through mexico and ending up on our doorstep. at the white house today, president trump explained during the cabinet meeting why the left has shown little concern for their safety until now. >> we have come up with a lot of solutions but we have democrats i don't want to approve anything because that's probably, they think, bad for the election that's coming up. unfortunately, there are a lot of people suffering, and that is

unfortunate. loopholes in our immigration laws all supported by extremist open border democrats. that is what they are. they are extremist, open border democrats. if you look at nancy pelosi, you look at chuck schumer, you will see tapes where they wanted to have borders. they needed borders for security, just a short while ago. a number of years ago. i see chuck schumer, "we must have borders." hillary clinton, "we must have borders." if people penetrate our borders, we want to get them out of the country. now all of a sudden, big open border people. it's a whole big con job. democrats also refuse to fund the personnel, bed space, resources we need to house the minors. now they want us to take care of the minors, that is fine. they don't want to give us the money to take care of them, because the worse everything looks, they think the better they will do with respect to the blue wave. >> laura: democrats claim that they're only concerned for their

offer of the children, housed in those shelters, though, as the trump administration is pointing out, how the facilities are a safe haven compared to the long and perilous journey made at the mercy of human traffickers, smugglers, and yes, coyotes. >> they've created and let it happen, a massive child smuggling industry. it's exactly what it's become. traffickers. you think about this, human traffickers are making a fortune. it's a disgrace. these loopholes force the release of alien families and minors into the country when they illegally cross the border. since 2014 alone, nearly 200,000 unaccompanied alien minors have been released into the united states as a result of democrat-backed loopholes. including catch and release, which is one of the worst. one of the reasons i am being tough as they do nothing for us

at the border. they encourage people, frankly, to walk through mexico and go into the united states. because they are drug traffickers, they are human traffickers, they are coyotes. i mean, we are getting some real beauties. >> laura: years of government neglect and failure to enforce our immigration laws created this crisis. trump is trying to fix it. but you wouldn't know that from the coverage. so it's up to the president to point out what we have been saying for years. lousy laws, leftist judges, open borders mentality have created obstacles that make border enforcement difficult, if not impossible, especially when children and families, or adults with children they claim are related come across the border. >> we have to house these minors and we have to house them

safely, and frankly, we have to house them and we should be taking good care of them, and then we should return them back home. that's what we have to do. democrat and court ordered loopholes prevent family detention and lead to family separation, no matter how you cut it. i signed a very good executive order yesterday, but that's only limited, no matter how you cut it. it leads to separation ultimately. i am directing hhs, dhs, and doj to work together to keep illegal immigrant families together during the immigration process, and to reunite these previously separated groups. but the only real solution is for congress to close the catch and release loopholes that have fueled the child smuggling industry. mexico, by the way, is doing nothing for us. nothing. they have the strongest immigration laws, they can do whatever they want, they can keep people out of mexico. they have a 2,000-mile journey up mexico. they walk through mexico like it's walking through central park. it's ridiculous. mexico does nothing for us.

>> laura: it's the democrats' choice. they can work with the president to fix the system or keep playing politics. it might help if the media stopped there nonstop war on trump. that's wishful thinking. "the washington post" today reported that the trump administration will stop prosecuting parents who cross the border illegally with children. huh. one problem. the story wasn't accurate. "the post" neglected to reach out to the department of justice and now, the story has been corrected. if the media were as interested in getting all sides of the story as they are in just getting trump, maybe we can make some real progress and people can actually know things called facts. here to separate fact from fiction on the border issue is the president of the board or patrol unions tucson office, art del cueto, as well as chairman of the american conservative union, matt schlapp, and ambassador suzan johnson cook, a former advisor to president bill clinton and

barack obama. it is great to have all of you on. we have a lot to get through here. there is so much misperception and misrepresentation about what has been happening at the border. art, the other night, you gave us a fact that i can't stop thinking about. you said it on the show. about what happens with these children when they are -- they are under 18, and they are sent up through this journey from guatemala or honduras or salvador, and they come up through mexico, and you said, as a border patrol agent, agents find certain items on the girls, especially the girls. i want you to repeat this story because i think a lot of people who didn't hear it need to hear it. >> what we often times, we find them with birth control pills, and they are told that they use these pills because they may get

raped along the journey. i'm going to go a little bit off of any talking points and explain that you were dead on with everything you said. it is sickening that certain members of the media have chosen to attack our president. it is sickening that certain members of the media have chosen to attack border patrol agents, and describe us as nazis. that is disgusting that you would even think that. i don't know where that even comes from. we have minors that we have detained without their parents. we have detained just recently a minor out here in the tucson sector, their uncle threw him over the fence with nothing but a letter, a little handwritten note in his pocket that said, "help me find my mom," and the mom's name on that piece of paper. agents that i know that i have worked with, myself included, go to the field numerous times with our own food that we buy, toys, clothes, everything else, so we can assist to these people we arrest of the border. to compare us to nazis is a

whole new low. that is the most disgusting thing. these people are idiots for that comparison or they need to go back to school and actually learn history. they probably fell asleep during history class is what i think. >> laura: susan, nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, even barack obama, were really, i think, pretty clear back in 2014 that these kids were going to have to go home. president obama said they were going to have to go home, literally, hillary clinton said they were going to have to go home, the unaccompanied minors, and the family units crossing the border. and this is what nancy pelosi said when she visited one of the family detention centers in 2014 where obama was keeping the family units. let's watch. >> what we just saw was so stunning. if you believe, as we do, that every child, every person has a spark of divinity in them, and is therefore worthy of respect, what we saw in those rooms was a

dazzling, sparkling array of god's children. the balance is to move these kids, these young people, these families, as quickly as possible into another setting. we are here to think the border patrol into doing the best they can under the circumstances. >> laura: a very different attitude back in 2014. same detention centers. a judge -- one of them, two of -- a judge shut one of them, to of them down, the family detention centers, even though they were the best they could deal with, as someone who spent a lot of time in central america, a lot nicer than where a lot of these people sadly come from. why the change? >> now it's 2018. you look at a president who started his whole campaign and presidency talking about building a wall, citing a whole group of people as rapists, racists, coming from a country. there are lot of misperceptions. not everyone is in an unaccompanied minor.

what we have seen recently are minors accompanied by their parents. right in new york yesterday, 229 children are without their parents, before the executive order was signed. you shake your head, no, matt -- >> laura: 2,400 have been apprehended since the zero-tolerance policy went into effect. of them, it's 2,000 who were separated from their parents, and in some cases, the people saying they were the parents were not the parents. children had a credible fear of the adults bringing them into the country. so there's a lot of stuff going on there. but the lion's share of the people that hhs is dealing with our, like art said, they are abandoned by people. 2,000 and 10,000, 2,000, you were right, were separated for a variety of reasons. but 10,000 are unaccompanied. >> 229 still haven't been united from the parents. but you know, i think the move is idiotic, and it's ignorant because when i was talking about republicans -- >> laura: is it nazi germany? >> we are talking about

humanity. i went all over the world -- >> laura: she thought it was not nazi germany back in 2014. >> you'll have to ask nancy pelosi that. >> laura: they all said that. >> the last time i checked the nazis, did not bring basketball 500 of kids to be back with their parents. by the way, all president trump was doing was following the law, very important for people to understand. he was following the law that president obama had to follow, that the courts created, when i hear michael steele, calling these concentration camps for kids, i think it is time for the rnc to repudiate that kind of talk. as a law enforcement, the president following the law. we can have political disagreements but this is well over the line. >> the images, you can't deny the images of children being torn -- >> laura: i want art -- art deals with the images every day. but the images of children being traffic and cartel members who are pumping our country with fentanyl and heroin, they are

being enriched because of this human trafficking, and the coyote smuggling, all have to pay off to the cartels. do they not, art? >> you are talking about kids that are being smuggled in the trunks of vehicles. such great parents, that they are giving their child to a criminal organization so they can put them in a trunk of a vehicle and cross through the desert or cross through very dangerous areas. they are such good parents that they are being thrown over fences without any adult supervision whatsoever, so they can be exposed to the elements. the reality is, the pictures you are seeing from a lot of these media outlets are from the last administration, not from president trump's administration. you can spin it anyway you want but the reality is, i'm out there, all the time. i work that border, and i'm telling you right now, things are being done correctly, and there's a lot of people out there in the media that are twisting things around and villainizing something that isn't there. their hatred toward one president is so amazing that you are blinded to the truth of what

is happening right now. >> laura: guys, stay right here. we have breaking news at the border. plus, the media finds an outrageous new way to criticize the first lady. you have to see it to believe it. first lady.

>> laura: okay, some quick breaking news. matt schlapp stolen from us but the ap just reported that about 500 children have been reunited with their families after being separated from their family since may. we'll have more throughout the hour as it comes to us. that breaking news first. and mission accomplished for the mainstream media, which has managed to dent the first lady's popularity. they ran weeks of stories with cool speculation why melania trump had disappeared from public view, living in another house, in new york, back in eastern europe. never mind the fact that she just had a fairly significant surgery. a new cnn poll shows her favorability rating is down to

51% from 57% last month. i don't know if i believe that. now that she's back in the public, the media, well, they found a new reason to pounce. today the first lady visited a texas shelter housing illegal immigrant children. good for her. but all the media could do was talk about her jacket. they went into a frenzy to search for the hidden meaning of the words emblazoned on the back of her jacket, which read, "i really don't care, do you." the first lady spokeswoman said, "it's a jacket, there was no hidden message. after today's important visit to texas, i hope the media isn't going to choose to focus on her wardrobe." of course, that was wishful thinking. let's discuss why the first lady just keeps getting the mean girl treatment from the media. the chief of staff for the first lady laura bush, anita mcbride, and rachel campos duffy is a fox news contributor. all right, rachel, the president did tweet out that it was a comment about fake news. in other words, melania doesn't care about the fake news, do you? more importantly, it was a

jacket from zara and it was $39. >> you remember when michelle obama went to a homeless feeding event or center and wore $500 sneakers. look, it is an odd choice to wear that. to be -- it's a head-scratcher. >> laura: who is their staffer? i don't want them to get mad at me. i'm not a fashion plate myself. sorry, i love the fox news -- but i'm more of a jeans and t-shirt type of person. but melania is so spectacular, she's so beautiful. that was an odd -- if it's a message, then say, "i'm goofing on you, media." >> we may find out that that is what it is. it's a head-scratcher. i'm a political stylist, i would not have worn that jacket. >> laura: no logos. >> that said, all the amazing outfits that she's worn, they never write about at all, if you don't watch conservative press, you don't hear all of that, she

makes one misstep, i am curious to see why she wore to. >> laura: a staffer should say, no. who knows, she probably just threw it on, just grabbing whatever is in the closet. >> i don't think melania just grabs anything. [laughter] >> laura: okay, so it was a message. is it genius, anita? >> i think that actually was the most valuable comment apropos, as a political staff, you understand the objects around things like that, and yes, i don't want to say anything negative about the staff, either, i know how tough their job is every single day, all the little nuances that you are trying to take care of. >> laura: you don't want to probably wear the stiletto manolo blahniks -- >> i did love that, though. she looked fabulous. but then she took off her heels and wore them to get onto air force one. she put on her sneakers.

but again, it is just a constant, constant attack on her, it never ends. let's face it, they think she is complicit in her husband -- >> laura: same thing with ivanka. they were trashing ivanka. they were going after her. nonstop trashing her. the "time" magazine cover of president trump -- by the way, we found out, god bless the child, was not one of the children separated from their parents. they are using children as props on magazine covers as well. "the root" has a headline, "dear melania trump, please stop trying to be the moral compass for the white house. you are trash, too." >> outrageous. >> again, that is a message not just to melania, that is a message to all conservative women. they say that we're complicit, traitors because we choose to think for ourselves, and that is -- and they want -- it's a warning to anyone who dares to

see the amazing, fabulous economic news and don't forget, this week, what happened in duluth was sort of overshadowed by this event. this is the heart of union democrat working-class -- these have been for generations democrats, and he goes in there, saying, those democrats are losing working-class americans, and this is all an attempt to cover up all of that. >> laura: i have to say on the separating the children from the families, obviously, 500 reunited tonight, but the polling on this, as i suspected, people are not blaming president trump on this. they are blaming bad policies, and sadly, irresponsible parents, sending children, bringing children on these harrowing journeys. so the public is not where the elites are on the border issue. everyone has compassion but they are not blaming president trump. >> i hope that they read what mrs. trump's statement was today after she returned to the white house. i thought it was a really beautiful statement, her visit down there really moved her, and what she said, these children

are in this position, not through their own fault, but the fault of adults. and that is why i wish the congressional picnic had happened tonight because she could have been our modern day dolley madison, going around all these members of congress. >> this is really up to you to fix this. it is one of the few bipartisan events. i understand why they did that. >> laura: it would get trashed if they had it. >> no way they could have survived the media onslaught. your guest from the border patrol, almost 50% of border patrol are hispanic. what he said about those children, as this information starts to get out, thank you for getting that information out, the detention centers are far safer than the journey that the little children just came on. i will say this, people aren't stupid. i spoke to an african-american who said, gosh, the conditions at the detention center are better than some of the projects that i grew up in. people are looking at the

sentencing, let's not blame the border patrol. they are doing the best they can, the children were brought here under horrible, irresponsible circumstances. >> laura: and mrs. trump, i saw the first lady trump, this is how someone deals with children. my kids are always totally out of control. and she -- just the way she deals with them, gets down low with them -- you can tell someone by the way they treat children. for all of you trashing melania trump, nice try. not working. you are digging yourself into a deeper hole. >> you know what, laura, she is floating above all of it. >> laura: she is remarkable that way. >> she's winning over people's hearts very quietly in her own style and she refuses to do it their way. she's doing it her own way. >> laura: isn't that what we want in women? she's not going to be like michelle obama. she's not going to be -- but if anyone said anything about the obama daughters like they said about barron trump and that horrible comment about barron trump, they would be doing nonstop coverage of it.

>> absolutely. >> laura: great panel, thank you so much to both of you. up next, exclusive new details, what congress may do to doj and the fbi brass if they don't turn over those key documents pronto. stay there. the fbi brass if thy don't turn over those key

♪ >> lau >> laura: fox news has learned new details about an ultimatum congressional investigators delivered to the fbi director and the deputy attorney general.

fox's catherine herridge reporting and a trio of house chairmen gave the doj and fbi three days to turn over a key last friday. -- three days to turn over key documents last friday. two sources tell fox at committee chairs trey gowdy, bob goodlatte, and devin nunes demanded records about intelligence activities and the fbi's alleged use of informants before it opened that russia collusion probe in july 2016. well, now that that deadline has passed, house speaker paul ryan says that he has not ruled out citing deputy attorney general rod rosenstein for contempt of congress. let's discuss these developments with former whitewater deputy independent counsel sol wisenberg. former deputy assistant attorney general robert driscoll. great to see both of you. robert, how serious is this, contempt of congress? the deputy attorney general? i mean, eric holder was held in contempt of congress over the fast and furious stuff, and nothing really happened here. how serious is it? >> i think it's pretty serious, your own party threatening to hold you in contempt. i really do think the doj wants

to avoid that at all costs, but i think that just the dispute here that doesn't look good for anyone right now. i think there is a lack of trust on both sides. after the ig report, i suspect when that comes out, people in the agency feel a little bit more free to talk about it because it's out there, some of their process they are working under are now gone, and i suspect that some people will probably be told what they should expect. when people on the hill don't see it, they are squawking about it. we'll see how it gets resolved. >> laura: sol, speaking of which, the democrats are calling this all kind of deficient, and we have paul ryan apparently last friday, as catherine told us, not ruling out contempt of congress. people thought that ryan would back away from that but he hasn't. we are looking at a potential serious showdown tomorrow. >> if you saw congressman gowdy over the weekend, he indicated, and i don't think i had ever

seen him so mad, and he gets mad a lot, he indicated that contempt really wasn't enough. he said, we'll use the full panoply of the constitutional powers, and look what happened with holder. who knows what they'll do. it's not clear to me whether or not there has been partial compliance so far. i guess we'll see. as to your other point about the procedural default of the subpoena that the democrats are claiming is there, do you really expect rod rosenstein to say, i would love to give this over but the democrats say you've broken the rules. i don't see that happening. he's either going to give the stuff over or he's not. if he doesn't give it over, he is not going to rely on an internal rules violation that the democrats have brought up.

>> laura: bob, do you think anyone at the doj, you know, tipped off the democrats here on this? a little curious. >> no, i think that's just the democrats looking to weaken the subpoena. i totally agree. there is no way a republican doj is going to rely on a technical deficiency. >> laura: jeff sessions was on a radio show today, and talked about peter strzok. let's watch. >> is strzok still on the payroll of the fbi? >> mr. strzok, as i understand, has lost his security clearance. >> laura: yay! was get out the sam shane. lost his security clearance, was marched out of the building. not clear whether he just lost his security clearance, like, today, or whether that happened when he left the building. how much jeopardy is he in? could he be in any jeopardy other than losing his job at this point, sol? we are thinking that documents might have been altered, that's another issue.

we are looking at the 302 documents, not directly related to strzok himself. what else could happen here? >> i haven't heard that they are related to strzok. we have this very piecemeal news on that, that supposedly, according to congressman meadows, there was improper, potentially improper alteration of a 302, which, as you know, is what the fbi calls the reports of interviews with people who they question. but we have no idea what is meant by that. i read one account that andrew mccabe demanded that something be changed, but that is all total speculation at this point. you know, there are some ways in which 302s can be changed that are perfectly proper, and other ways that aren't. as far as strzok is concerned, he has certain due process rights as an employee. i don't think he is in any criminal trouble but i think he is a short timer for sure.

>> laura: guys, thank you so much. fantastic panel. the latest unhinged lunacy from the left next.

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>> laura: rece >> laura: we say this a lot but the left hit a new low. a small mom-and-pop cafe in duluth, minnesota, suffered a huge backlash all because it hosted a segment of "fox and friends" this morning. let's find out exactly what happened from matt berthiaume, the restaurant's general manager, and son of the owner. matt, believe it or not, i've been to duluth, and i have even been to your cafe. [laughs] i love minnesota. yeah, no joke. i have good friends who live not too far from you on one of the major lakes. i'm pretty sure i was in your cafe a couple of years ago. this was outrageous. you just decided to open up your

doors to "fox & friends," and then you were hated upon. tell us what happened. >> yeah, when my mom decided that she would let "fox & friends" come in and do the interviews here this morning, thought it was a great idea for this restaurant to expand to reach people on a new level. i don't think she really understood the ramifications of the possibilities of what could happen. within probably 10 to 15 minutes into our facebook post, we had about 100 comments or so, and a lot were pretty negative, certain kind of grudge match. >> laura: [laughs] nasty. no, it was beyond nasty. >> yeah, it was beyond nasty. they were pinning us in a corner and making decisions for us without even talking to us. >> laura: matt, i got to read some of these. first of all, everyone has been to minnesota, everyone thinks of minnesota nice, okay? you guys are all supposed to be nice. but the leftists, they want to try to rip you to shreds because you had doocy on set. it was ridiculous. gail said "sadly, i can't support the decision and will never return. i know nobody cares and you can call me snowflake and libtard and whatever you want, i just feel they made the choice, this is their choice, i support it, i'm sure all you haters can fill the place." in other words, if you patronize

the establishment -- by the way, love the taco omelette at uncle louie's cafe -- if you patronize the establishment, you are a hater, is that what they are saying? >> pretty much. there was one thing about being a place for white supremacists. >> laura: what? >> to come and eat, now we have declared that for us. yeah, so it was pretty difficult to hear that, broke my mom's heart because we love the people of the city, for someone that has come here before, my mom has probably known the order and order and seen it a million times, to have them say those things about us broke her heart. >> laura: your mother's not political. she's a small business owner. we always hear liberals, oh, they love mom and pop, shop local. no, it is boycott local or be mean to local. they don't really mean shop local. shop local liberal store owners. let me tell you, uncle louie's cafe in duluth, minnesota,

everyone should go, patronize it, great food, great people. thank you so much, matt. we'll be right back. so much,

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>> weird to sit at the desk, so many times sat here with charles and the whole gang, we continue to mourn his loss, pray for his family and leave you with one

thought. whenever you are faced with an explanation of what is going on in washington the choice between incompetence and conspiracy, always choose incompetence. that is it for tonight. we will miss you. shannon bream for the fox news at night team picks things appear. shannon: house leaders say there will not be a vote on the compromise immigration bill. reports from capitol hill, lawmakers were wildly confused about what is in the bill and what is not. you will hear from members of both sides of the aisle. a looming deadline tomorrow for the justice department, house republicans demanding answers regarding the fbi's alleged spy in the 2016 trump campaign, new details tonight about a rare meeting between the key players. later remembering our friend charles kraut