i love it and i think it's important. ♪ next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening. welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." we want to take the next hour and go inside the issues looking beyond for a moment just the day's breaking news. there is a lot of it. but assess some of the bigger issues that are coming to define our life in this country. we are going to open with another look at what has been this year's biggest story. immigration. without much real public debate or even discussion, the elite left has reached a conclusion on the question. it is that america needs more immigration. much more. immigration without limit. we shouldn't worry about whether the people coming here have skills that we need. whether they are educated. whether they can speak english even or even whether they are violent criminals.

in fact we shouldn't even try to accurately count how many are coming here or how many live within our borders. do you disagree with that? well, then in the words of an msnbc commentator, you're pure evil. watch. >> donald trump without a doubt is bure evil -- pure evil. no other country in the world vates children from their parents. >> tucker: pure evil. thing about pure evil. you can't reason with it or negosh -- negotiate with pure evil. it can only be destroyed by force. given that, it's not surprising that the left is now mobilizing to harass, fire and if necessary physically attack anyone who disagrees with them on immigration because the other side is again pure evil. for example, after chasing d.h.s. secretary kirstjen nielsen out of a restaurant earlier this week in downtown washington, activists now showed up at her home. but zoom out for a moment.

why exactly does america need more immigration? everybody says it does. but do we really? does more immigration help ordinary americans? does it improve the country? or does it just enrich an elite class, the policy making class at the expense of everyone else? very few people are asking that question. but one who is, is michael antone who just wrote a piece in the "washington post" saying why do we need more people anyway? that is a good question so we are kicking off tonight's special with him. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: i'm glad you asked this. do we need a there of a million new people in america every year? what was your conclusion? >> my conclusions let's look at the answers that people give for why and exam them. they don't bear examination. reason number one is we need workers. we have all the jobs and we

need workers. that sounds plausible when we have a low unemployment rate for the first time in a long time. but the low unemployment rate is achievement of the trump economy coming after 20 years of the wage stagnation and wage declines for working and middle css americans. i remember the 1990s when the clinton administration was seeking tight labor markets. the argument is if we have tight labor markets the wages will go up for the core constituents, working people. democrats don't care about that anymore because they are not the party of labor. they are the party of oligarchs essentialsy and they want to push jobs down. they say we need immigrants because of the declining birthrates to fix social security or the entitlement. that doesn't hold up. >> tucker: exactly. >> by that logic you'd have to say you know workers will always have to outnumber retirees which means the population growth forever. which means what is upper limit on the u.s. population? we are now at over 300

million. 330 million. 500 million, a billion? they don't want to answer that. they just say we have to keep doing what they are doing and no examination possible. it's really kind of crazy honestly we can't have this debate. >> tucker: so let me pause you there. so when people say we need more immigrants to float our social safety net, what they are saying is the social safety net is a ponzi scheme and the people at the end of it will get shafted. it's not sustainable without an endless flow of poor people. >> in 1967 a nobel prize economist who hasn't won it yet but would later called social security a ponzi scheme. he meant it as a compliment. because the assumption with a booming population in the 1960s the greatest ponzi scheme is a growing country. so the country will grow forever and that includes population. a lot of part of the country are crowded as it is. the traffic is really bad. the housing prices are very high. why do we want to make it more

crowded or housing more expensive and the school systems more stressed? i never hear a good or a convincing answer to that. >> tucker: i don't hear the argument actually at all. i don't hear an argument about immigration. what i hear and you pointed this out really well in your piece, i hear not a policy debate but a religious argument. if you are for the side that i'm taking, you are a good person. if you are a against it, you are a bad person or pure evil as they say on msnbc. >> they try to make the point that america has been welcoming in the past. previous wavers of -- previous waves of immigration served america well. there is truth so that. there was a time when america made acquisition of land and the people thought they needed people to settle and farm the land. that made sense. there was a time in the industrial river lution where the factories were booming and business expanded at a rate that exceeded the present population to fill the jobs. we welcomed a lot of

immigrants in the late 19th and the early 20th centuries. there is a rationale for that at those times. what is the rationale now? filling up the land doesn't hold anymore. the frontier was declared closed by the federal government in the late 1800s. so i mean -- >> tucker: i mean, i think you are asking the most basic question that nobody asks and i'm glad that you did and i hope that your piece today sets off a national conversation on the subject. michael, thank you for joining us. >> thanks a lot. >> tucker: instead of encouraging that conversation, which is important, i think, democratic politicians are now pushing the rhetoric getting more extreme by the day. new york gubernatorial candidate cynthia nixon declared lately that i.c.e. is a terrorist organization. >> i.c.e. has strayed so far from its mission. it's supposed to be here to keep americans safe. but what it has turned into is frankly a terrorist organization of its own.

>> tucker: williams is a councilman running for the attorney government for new york state and could share a ticket potentially with cynthia nixon and joins us tonight for the special. thank you for coming on. i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: let's start with being honest about one thing i think that michael antone is right about. most of time we talk about immigration we have a religious debate about who is the good or bad person. so if we could for the next four minutes keep it to policy. tell me how more immigrants bringing in your neighborhood, i think it's eat flash bush in new york, helps the people who already live there? the people already there and citizens how are they helped by it? >> i'm proud to be the son of immigrants or my constituents are past immigrants. that is the wrong question. the question to be asking is why do we use overwhelming force, resources and draconian measures to rip up families for an issue that at best is

akin to graffiti or a parking ticket? that is the question we are asking. >> tucker: i'm not sure that it is. i think it's -- you are asking a fair question. but let's get to the deeper question, which is why is our current immigration system good for people who already live here? if we decide for example that mass immigration and mass imlegal immigration hurts americans then it's worth to be tough on the borders. so explain to me people of east flat bush dealing with the overcrowded schools and dealing with the public transportation falling apart and dealing with the rising rents that are making them move, how do they benefit from the more immigrants living there? >> again, i actually still believe that immigrants to this country have and still do benefit this country. the reason i'm trying to flip back is because even if i conceded to your argument, let's pretend that somehow it's harlful, how harmful is

it? >> tucker: i'm not making an argument. i'm asking you a question. the most simple and the most basic, the foundationm question. how does this help americans. our people? you don't have an answer to it. i find that really interesting, don't you? >> that is not the foundational question. we disagree on what the foundational question is. >> tucker: really? >> if i'm conceding for sake of your argument there is some harm it is akin to writing graffiti on the wall or akin to getting a parking ticket. so the question -- >> you are not proving that. you are just stating it. housing prices are a huge problem. you are a liberal, i'm a conservative so we can agree housing prices in new york are hurting people. your people are being hurt by the housing prices going up. >> the question is -- >> tucker: why does an influx of immigrants make prices go down? it makes them go up? do you know that? >> in my state 1% of the population makes 45% more than bottom 99%. that is not immigrants. we have more millionaire and

billionaire that came out of recession than before. that is not immigrants. black people came into the recession with the least amount of wealth and they lost the most. those aren't immigrants. >> tucker: that's true. you are right. i think that's a huge problem. but let me ask you this. who supports mass immigration more? poor black americans or rich people on the upperrest side of new york? i know the answer. let me blow your mind and tell you. rich people support it more because they get cheap housekeepers out of it. the people in you are you district born in the country see it as a threat to them because it's a threat to them. you are not representing them if you don't recognize them. >> generally speaking the people supporting the ripping up of families and the child detention centers do it because they say their life is made worse. but who makes the life worse is not the immigrants. the 30,000 americans shot and killed this year are not immigrants. they are americans. so what my question is why are we spending more on i.c.e. than any other federal enforcement agency combined to

do this? >> tucker: okay. we are arguing apples and oranges. we are almost out of time. really quick, can you make a specific way that flooding east flat bush with immigrants, poor immigrants will make the lives of your people, the people who live in your neighborhood better, the americans? how would it improve their lives? >> i'm running for the lieutenant governor. the current lieutenant governor said she would turn people over to i.c.e. so she leans toward you when it comes to immigration. my fundamental point here is that we are spending overwhelming force, draconian money on something akin to graffiti and -- >> tucker: i get it. >> it's important. >> tucker: you don't like it. but you can't tell me how bringing the people over helms americans because -- helps americans because we know it doesn't. >> i congratulate you on the con flation of issues. it's great. you shouldn't stop. but that is not the issue at home. i'm asking the basic questions. we are out of time. council almost, thank you. brandon judge is the president

of the national border council. he joins us tonight. mr. judd, thank you for coming on. i have to ask at the end of the week when you and people like you have been compared to nazis on cnn and msnbc all week, what is your reaction to that? how does it make you feel and the people you work with like? what is morale like after a week like this? >> i'm disgusted that someone would compare border patrol agencies to nazis who murdered people. we are enforcing the law in a humane way. we are doing it the way congress asked to us do it and in an effort to protect this country and protect the citizens in the united states. look, i met with the angel moms. i'm grateful that president trump met with the angel moms today. to hear their stories and find out how horrible they feel because they are really ripped apart is pathetic to think

that people in our own country would disparage their law enforcement officers and the agents that are only trying to help them. >> tucker: so you are seeing democrats running for office in this fall's midterm elections. we interviewed one last night. running on abolishing i.c.e. because they say the agency is immoral. how do you respond to that? >> notice how they don't use facts. the last guest said i.c.e. is the highest understooded law enforcement agency in the government -- highest funded law enforcement agency in the government. that is false. border patrol is larger than i.c.e. they don't use fact. they use rhetoric. they are trying to scare people. the facts when we let all of the dust settle when we actually find out what the facts are, people come back and say wow! i was duped. after this week is over, after all of this outcry of what is

going on. once this week is over and everything, the water are less muddy and people take a look back to see what was really happening ty will say i was duped. and they will come back to the republicans. thank goodness they are going to. >> tucker: very quickly. since the left is now calling for the abolition of i.c.e. what do you think would happen if i.c.e. were eliminated? >> if i.c.e. were eliminated we would never be able to go after the criminal aliens that are currently here in the united states. we are talking about rapists and murders and people who commit d.u.i. and kill people, manslaughter, homicide, negligent homicide. we are talking about all kind of different crimes. without i.c.e. we would not be able to go after the individuals and we'd have a less safe country. we just can't have it. >> tucker: terrifying. brandon judd, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> tucker: if you have been watching this week you know the let's rhetoric about immigration is reaching places that are dangerous.

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the immigration policies that they will eventually grow up to punish us with their vengeance. watch this. >> help us understand what the damage does to the young people. >> i worry you are creating terminator type of characters that will seek vengeance. >> let them in or they will kill you. excellent argument. also on msnbc, the commentator donnie deutsche claimed every trump voter, every one of them, 63 million, is a nazi. watch. >> we can no longer say trump is the bad guy. if you vote for trump, you're the bad guy. if you vote for trump, you are ripping children from parents' arms. if you vote for trump, then you, the voter, you not donald trump are standing at the border nazis going you here, you here. >> tucker: so where is this going? you know exactly where it's going. if you really believe nazis were taking over your country,

what wouldn't you do to them? you would fight them. you would have a moral obligation to. anyone who tells you the political opponent in this country american citizens is nazis is pushing us to violence, obviously. we asked msnbc today if they supported all this and why are they allowing this on the air? they didn't respond to us. dan bongino is a former nypd officer and former secret service and he joins us tonight. dan, the left is always conflating words with violence. you said something that makes me feel unsafe. i hate that. i think people should be able to say whatever they think. but if you say people who disagree with you are not just wrong or immoral, but they are nazis, what are you really saying? >> tucker, i would like to attribute donnie deutsche's comments to the average run of the mill stupidity but it's not. this is an effort to dehumanize people. in other words, you know, you

have on your show. i just watched. you have liberals all the time. i'm sure i have met you personally. you don't think they're nazis. you think they have really bad ideas. >> tucker: exactly what i think. >> we think liberals are people with bad ideas. liberals, tucker, think we are bad people with ideas. there is a difference. there is a tactical difference. the tactical difference is this. when you lose on the facts and you lose on the data and you can't win a rhetorical argument using reason, what you do is shut the argument down in advance by getting people to believe that the person you are arguing against is something less than human. he is not worthy of an opinion. he is to be dehumanized. he is a bad person with an idea not a person with a bad idea. they do this on purpose, tucker. this is not a mistake what they are doing. i wish it were. >> tucker: you know what people who are not people don't have? rights. so, the d.h.s. secretary was informed she does not have a right to go out in public, a right to have dinner in a

restaurant in downtown d.c. without being threatened. now she doesn't have a right to sit at home with her family. her home was surrounded by streaming protesters -- screaming protesters. who are the adults on the left who are willing to get out there and say you know what? this is too far. you have crossed a line here. you are moving toward violence. which is what they are doing. where the adults in the democratic party to say that? >> tucker, they're gone. there are other god-given rights you don't have as an conservative either. you can't assemble on campus. you don't have a right for privacy anymore. the left invented it and uninvented it in spy gate. you don't have a right to defend yourself anymore. this is what worries me, though. there is an emergency brake on conservatives and libertarians. not all. i get it. every political party has people who make mistakes but the load star of the conservative ideology is big

"r" god-given rights. proactive violence is never acceptable because you respond to faith and government first. first -- to faith and god first. i'm not identifying them. but if you are attacking faith as the enemy person the is no emergency brake on your behavior because your god is the state. there is no higher set of object values. the ends always justify the means. everything is subjective. this is what terrifies me about this new -- well, it's not new unfortunately but the growing stream of the radical for a leftists. i tell people all the time. be wary. these people are not kidding in their call for violence. they are not joking. >> tucker: that is exactly right. what you said is the essence of it. when you think your god -- when you think you are god, there is no limit on what you can do. that was wise. thank you, dan bongino. the thought police on the left may be obsessed with immigration but it does not mean they are letting up

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for destruction. in part by shaming anyone who was gave mo dares eat there. twitter c.e.o. jack dorsey was caught eating a chick-fil-a in public and had to issue an apology for that because the country has gone crazy. a recent piece in huff-po says if you really love lgbtq people you can't keep eating chick-fil-a. because they want to control now what you eat. ironically the left is forcing gay chick-fil-a lovers back to the culinary closet. are we for that? chad is a journalist in new york and he is not for it. he joins us tonight. chadwick moore, huff-po tells gay people where they are allowed to eat now? >> this seems to be true. this is interesting. i don't know if you looked around for the month of june recently but every international corporation you can think of, every bank, every airline, consumer product, retail store is hosed down in rainbow flags.

they have all changed the avatars to rainbow color. i took an uber the other day and the line that showed me where the driver was going turned into a rainbow path. they are the status quo. the lgbtq rights movement is the establishment, the man. they are so desperate for the enemies and villains that the best thing they can come up with is something that the c.e.o. of fast food restaurant said six years ago. now this is #nevernowhere -- #never forget. when they offended the gays. there are actual villains against gay people in the world. you don't really find them in the united states. but you find them in places where the religion of peace tends to dominate. you hear nothing about that. you never hear companies when google capitulated to the government of indonesia to

remove 70 gay-themed apps from the play sto there because the government in indonesia is cracking down on gay people. they publicly cane gay men. they take transgender women and shave their heads and put them in men's clothing and parade them around time. where is the huffington post calling on boycott of google? >> tucker: i didn't know that. google did that? i mean, i thought google is like the most progressive corporation in the world. they are good people. i think they have told us that. what good people they are. i can't believe that could be true. it is? >> well, progressiveness sells very well in the united states but does not sell well in indonesia. they removed 70 gay apps from the play store there. >> tucker: that is unbelievable. you're gay. i notice you are still eating chick-fil-a. is that a chick-fil-a cup in your hand? >> hmm, it's delicious. it's such good food. i am wondering who they could

be targeting with this boycott? i'm sure the staff at huffington post is not eating the fast food. i'm sure they are having the lunch. and i don't think gay people in swimsuit season are eating fast food. this is a desperate ploy to come one a villain. that proves they have nothing anymore. they have no one to hate. they have to drum up the imaginary villains. if george or well knew that 12 minutes of hate would lead to them yelling at gay people he'd roll over in his grave. >> tucker: when you findous telling people where they are allowed to eat you have taken a wrong turn. it's great to see you tonight. >> thanks. you too, tucker. >> tucker: recently amazon.com the massive retailer owned by the

progressive activist jeff bezos that will soon control every facet of your life booted the non-profit alliance defensive freedom from the amazon smile treadable donation platform. why did it do that? it's a political decision. but they hid behind the southern poverty law center a fake civil rights group that classified a. d.f. as a hate group when its is a hate crume. christian wagoner is a spokesperson and we spoke to her recently about what happened. >> tell us what happened. what did you get from this and why were you booted off? >> amazon smile allows the customers to have a proceed -- portion of the proceeds of what they buy to be given to charitable organizations like alliance freedom. we participated in the program for a number of years and all of a sudden one of the donors said i was trying to buy something on amazon and they are saying you are ineligible

and booted out of the program know. >> tucker: so you got no warning from amazon you were being thrown off? >> absolutely not. we got no warning at all. they are seekk to banish the faith-based organization. >> tucker: slander you as the haters which you are not. what did amazon say? did they explain that you were a hate group? >> amazon says it as southern poverty law center to make the determination of who can participate in the program and all the while it's allowing them to participate in the program and hunt down those that don't agree with the leftist ideology. >> tucker: that is shocking. that is ask a scam. they are in the process of ripping off the public that slanders people as haters. did you appeal in any way?

>> we have. immediately we asked amazon to reconsider. we tried to appeal to the sense of the civility, fairness, tolerance and we are hoping to meet with them and that they will recind the decision. the common sense solution is available and it's baffling why amazon has chosen this route. >> do they say that the southern poverty law center doesn't like you and that is it? why would they turn over the decision making powers to the s.p.l.c.? >> those are good questions and those are questions we have asked. we know the decisions undermine our plurristic society and we are well respected supreme court advocacy group. to punish us is to marginalize all the americans that also want to have the right of free speech and the free exercise of religion. we stand for everyone even with those who disagree. s.p.l.c. does not. >> tucker: we are in a very

intense environment where pee are doing crazy -- where people are doing crazy things. there is a risk of being associated to a nazi, which is what they are doing to you. are you worried? >> absolutely we're worried. the building we were in, in 2012 was attacked by a would-be mass murder who shot the security guard and he said he was incited by the s.p.l.c. so there is no question we are worried about this. we are calling on amazon to change the position and distance itself from the kind of hateful inciting rhetoric. >> tucker: the irony is they are the haters, of course. thank you for the explanation. i appreciate it. good luck. >> thank you. >> tucker: most in congress are content to ignore the right of china but not every lawmaker is out to lunch on the question. we continue our special next with marco rubio who has been paying close attention. stay with two times more geographic detail...

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>> tucker: welcome back to our inside the issue special hour tonight. much of congress prefers to ignore the threat from china. they focus their intention instead on russia. a country with an economy the size basically of texas that can't build a working escalator. meanwhile, china is gaining on us, economically, technologically and militarily. one of the means to catch up and surpass the united states is stealing the america's intellectual property. some estimate it's worth hundreds of billions a year. florida senator marco rubio says it is time to stop this and start with the trade restrictions on china in retaliation for it. we spoke to senator rubio recently about that. here is how it went. >> give us a kick overview of the scale of the theft and tell us your solution.

>> it's so massive. it's like a game of whack-a-mole to keep up with it. they use tools, the straight out theft or the companies doing business in china. you are required to partner with a chinese company. then they make you give them the technology. once they figure out how to do it themselves because they took it from you, they kick you out. they don't need you anymore. they come to the u.s. they embed students in the universities for the purposes of stealing information or bringing it back or they come out to hire american researchers and pay them four times as much to take the research they are doing. often times paid by the american taxpayers at the ground level to start it and take it over there to them. i could go on and on for hours but it's a constant, massive, unprecedented effort to transfer the intellectual wealth of this country to surpass us. >> tucker: it's not clear to me why so few in the congress, in the senate where you serve seem everyone aware -- seem even aware of this and why so few are willing to do anything

about it. why is that? >> there are corporations doing business over there and see it as a way to sell things to 1.4 billion people. so if they can keep making money they are not concerned about the long-term. by the time it matters most of the c.e.o. lazy be gone, they will be retired. part of it is that, part of it is hard to believe. it's hard to believe this is happening. people think it's exaggerated. just in the last year with restarted to see more and more people up here begin to take it seriously. it's almost too late. but we still, i believe, have time to get this right. >> tucker: so how would you respond? >> well, we offered a bill to do a couple of things. i would prohibit transfer of technologies through a partnership over there or selling it to them from here. any of the key technologies that china is targeting under a thing called "made in china 2025." it's their blueprint to dominate the world of artificial intelligence, biomedicine and the like. we shouldn't transfer any technology.

that is the core of the fight at zte. it's a small company compared to huawei. huawei is a bigger problem. that's the big telecom. the primary thing we should do is say you cannot transfer any technology with them. that would be the first step because a lot of the stuff now is willingly given over to them. under coercion obviously but it's happening in the open. >> tucker: it seems like a wise first step. senator, godspeed. we are rooting for you in that. thank you very must have. >> thank you for paying attention to this. thank you. snowshoed rates for young people are rising fast. no one is sure why. most people aren't paying attention at all. could it be the rise of smart phones is a major factor? we will go inside that question as the special tonight continues. you made a promise you agreed to never give up

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>> welcome back to our special broadcast of inside tissues for the -- inside the issues for the hour. the campaign to legalize mariana continueso gain momentum not just this country but around the world. canada just legalized it. president trump signaled his willingness to end the federal ban on marijuana. many people think that is great. former congressman patrick kennedy feels uneasy about it. he wrote a piece in the "wall street journal" warning legalizing marijuana could be bad for kids and he would set back the cause of social justice. we spoke to him earlier about this. so am interesting to hearing your perspective on this. one of the only people, one of the only democrats to say anything like this out loud. i'd like to know what your reasoning is. >> we have been with the experience of the current opioid crisis and everybody is pointing back to where they

marketed the addictive oxycontin. what was ending up happening is public health got put to the sidelines whilem profits for purdue -- while profits for purdue pharma ruled the public health. we go back a generation to the tobacco industry settlement and how we had to learn for a long time to the fact that there was an apicktive substance -- addictive substance in nicotine marketing the commercial marketing of the cigarettes. so with all of that knowledge why would be surprised if we is a new commercial push, to push a product out called marijuana there there wouldn't be a deleterious impact on the public health? especially knowing that legalization means commercialization. which really means --

>> tucker: wait a second. wait a second, congressman. we know the people who run the marijuana companies are cool, progressive people. they are not in this for the money. they are in it because they want to make the world a better place. why don't you trust them? >> well, that is the thing we have to ask of ourselves. are the billions of dollars now going into investing into cannabis and in the many products that are being produced? i might add elixirs the phantom grape aid and orange aid that we grew up with infused with the marijuana infused t.h.c. beyond just the brownies, the marijuana industry is now infusing gummy bears. they are infusing things like pot-tarts. other food edibles is what they are known. in other words this is a really slick, very smart marketing effort if you have money on the line behind the

marijuana industry. you are standing to gain a lot of money in the years ahead. and yet, who is going to be the biggest one to pay for all of this? it will be the public health that pays the cost of this. it will be young people who are going to think that this is an easy alternative for me to deal with my stress and anxiety because now i have all the choices. i can drink it, i can smoke it, i can eat it. whatever will help me people less anxious. and frankly, tucker, amidst the mental health and the addiction crisis it's shocking we are not asking a more fundamental question, what are we doing to help our young people manage their stress, cope with their problems, navigate their anxietys? >> tucker: that is right. >> that should be the challenge on the country right now. yet, i think we are selling our young people down the river by allowing a new predatory business that feeds off of addiction, that makes

money off of getting people hooked. i think it's bad for the public health of this country. >> i agree with you 100%. by the way, i should note for the viewers who don't know you personally overcame addiction to drugs and alcohol without the use of more drugs and alcohol and you are a better man as a result of that. congratulations to you. thank you for your perspective on that. >> i appreciate you having me. >> tucker: teen suicide rates in this country have risen dramatically over the last ten years. a cause of that rise could be the proliferation of smart phones. we are joined by a professor of psychology and the awe for of a book "i-gen: why super connected kids grow up less happy." she had this to say. >> this seems like a crisis. how much academic research is being done in the causes of this? >> first, we do have a lot of academic research documenting

the severity of the trend. not just suicide but the self-harm behaviors like cutting, depression and anxiety. they have all skyrocketed since 2010, 2011, especially among teens and young adults. that time sequence lines up almost perfectly with the rise of the smartphone and the teens spending a lot more time looking at their phones and less time hanging out with their friends face to face. >> tucker: but it doesn't -- i mean on some level it's counterintuitive because this technology was sold to us on the premise it would bring people together. you could instantaneously communicate with everyone in your world. yet the effect you are saying to make us more isolated. how does that work? >> yeah. so that is the interesting thing. if used for a limited amount of time, say an hour or so a day, social media and texting and phones in general can connect in general. but what you are getting especially with a lot of teens

and many adults, too, is they are spending almost all of their leisure time on the phones and tablets and playing games. that crowds out time for things that are much more beneficial for mental health. not just getting together with each other face to face but also things like sleep. getting enough sleep is really, really important for mental health. you don't get enough sleep it's a huge risk factor for depression and thinking about suicide. >> tucker: so, if there is -- and there seems to be growing evidence that this technology is responsible for kids killing themselves, tell me how the people who are growing rich from selling this technology are responding to that? >> fortunately just in the last few months there has been some good news on that front with smartphone manufacturers. so both google and apple have

rolled out software that allows you to see how much time you are actually spending on the phone. apple new parental controls allow parents to shut down a teen's phone at night so they can get a good night's sleep. as well as restrict the amount of time they spend on certain apps. so it really allows a nice compromise position for the parents who can say all right kiddo, you can use snapchat but you have 30 minutes a day but that is it. so use it well. >> tucker: the parents just have to avail themselves to that. i hope they will. it looks like it's really important. thank you for coming on tonight and explaining that. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> tucker: after tonight's special fox will commemorate the life of charles krauthammer. but first, there is something we would like to say about charles. we will tell you when we come it's easy to think that all money managers are pretty much the same. but while some push high commission investment products,

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