sorry to interrupt that. i hope you are staying cool inside because things are heating up outside. i'm not talking about the heat wave. i'm talking about the protests all over the country. this is a few in new york city and new jersey. the president is spending the weekend but not out of earshot demanding ice be put-on ice. meet the democratic congresswoman arrested for arguing just that. one ice agent said the protestors are just wrong. this isn't about cracking down on immigration but illegal immigration. don't tell courtney about kids

separated from their families. they will soon be reunited after all. in her case she wasn't so lucky. an illegal whipped out her family in a car accident. we also have a live look at the capital where they shout down his bill. this is also where we had the rosenstein mess. we'll see how it goes. the president said he has narrowed his list of possible replacement for justice kennedy. he has two women and plans toer interview a couple of them. today we are turning it upside-down. wondering what we'll be asking. speaking of the supreme court what to make of the mild mannered worker who wanted them

to leave it alone. mark janice is making history and today public units as we know them. they are all here and live and it all starts now. sure, it might get heated but stay cool. we have you covered. you are welcome america. let's get to it america. man, oh man we have a busy few hours. heated protests are going on across most of the country over the border and what to do about it. suzanne lee is in the middle of it all. hey, suzanne. >> hi, neil. we are expecting 12,000 to gather here in the square in downtown new york. let me show you what's happening right now. it's loud, festive, and

boisterous. we have a good 1,000, 1,000 plus here in the square. at 10:40 they will march across the brooklyn bridge. we are expecting other things as well. they organized the event. this goes against the u.s. customs and enforcement agency. they both called for the abolishment of ice. this comes after the congressional upset. alex from new york state. abolishing ice is part of her platform. we do have support being tweeted

this morning by donald trump. let me read that. &%f0 there are great men and women of ice. don't worry or lose your spirit. you are doing a fantastic job by irrair -- irratcating this. he said there is zero chance this will happen. the numbers are increasing in downtown new york. >> that's why we volunteered you suzanne. we were told it would be a mild low-key day. this is happening all over the place. we'll be headed across the country on this. a lot of protestors want to get rid of ice. it's been around since 2003. be careful what you wish for. claude arnold, claude your point is there is a lot that's does

that they don't know about or do know about and still hate it. >> that's correct. one of the most important points is all of the fervour behind the calls to abolish ice are on a lie. it was involved in separation of children at the border. that was border patrol specifically. no involvement from ice. as usual, tell a big enough lie and get rid of it. >> ice was established at 9/11. this with us to protect our border and make sure the wrong people are not coming in. you would say what? >> i say that, in their wisdom the congress created ice because they wanted an effective and

efficient immigration process. that's the problem. the left feels that's is too effective. in fact, in 2017 the arrests were up. immigration arrests were up 40%. that's what bothers them. they want open borders and ice to effect it. the answer is to apolish ice. ice is just enforcing the laws that were written. if you get rid of ice you get rid of other functions. ice had almost, about 33,000 criminal arrests. homeland security investigations 33,000 criminal arrests. they seize almost 1 million pounds of narcotics including 2300 pounds of fentanyl and her heroin.

you want to apolish th abolish y that does that. there are 1,000 child exploitation victims. run on that and see how four it gets them. >> some of the images an photographs were taken. who would be retrieving that in ice's absent. before that, who got that stuff? >> well, it was the i.n.s. before. i worked for both agencies. congress knew what they were doing. it was responsible for both

issuing legal status to people and enforcing the law. those two entities abolished i.n.s. and apol abolished ice. >> this is the toughest situation. they are great. that word is not getting out. i'm wondering what you make of that and whether young people will be of the impression that all the agency does is separate kids from their families. >> i think it's the american people support to certification secure borders. poll after poll shows that. if, again, the left wants to run on abolishing ice and open borders do so in 2018 and 2020 and see how that works out.

>> i want to alert you to something else the president tweeted about. he wants the oil production to be increased world wild. he said he spoke to the king in saudi arabia. he said because of the turmoil i'm asking cinco d ask saudi arp more. he said the king agrees. that's a fascinating development and the saudis hike production and change the equation. that could have a positive effect or it could go the other way. the economic impact of that on a weak oil price was skyrocketing to three year highs. we'll get to that. in the meantime, getting back to

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i'm sorry to bother you. they are giving me a lot about the immigration thing. i know by trying to get kids back with their families. i have to answer to them. what can i tell them you will do

moving forward? >> let me tell you i want to be able to take care of the situation as much as anybody else. i would like to do the larger solution rather then smaller solution. they are doing it step by step. >> a lot of people are making a big deal out of a comic talking to the president abroad air force one. i'm not interested in that. others can talk about security. i'm interested that he was open and eager to deal with his own side any time to get an immigration deal done. there is a lot of common ground including the wall and protection, keeping people safe. the two parties have more to agree on on that to disagree on.

all of this was true. let's get the read from bob. he chairs the house committee. very much involved there the immigration mess. we had a measure that was rejected but still got 193 votes i believe. you know, mr. chairman. good to have you. i don't care how that came to be or how this comic was able to get to the president of the united states. he was, he did, done. i was intrigued by the presidents willingness and eagerness to talk to the other side. your thoughts? >> well, he definitely wants to get to a deal because he knows he won't be able to have the things we need to secure the border and secure the loo loophe and eliminate the visa lottery. i believe the president will

want to address the daca population. he turned to congress but letters said you congress, have to fix the problem. he came forward to the four pillars. this is a balanced approach and gives us the tools we need appeared both bills we had on the floor of the house of representatives. they addressed all of the points. the fact of the matter is those two bills got 223 republican votes. most of the entire house of representative. we'll continue to work to get them on one bill and zero democrats. so, the democrats are the ones i don't think are acting in good faith. they don't have a competing proposal they are addressing. >> all right, well, it's a political year. the president advised in your measure as you are both defeated that the better part is to wait

until after the midterms and try again. he's confident the numbers will be better, are you? >> i don't know if the numbers will be better or not. we have been in crisis mode on the border for quiet a while. the numbers went down last year they are backup again because of the coyote are advising people what to say and ask for. they can't be returned safely home. the process is being grossly abused. it has a waiting list of 600,000. as the cases are heard. that's what is being shown. if they can't be detained at the border because of an ove an over capacity problem. that's why people are out

protesting don't want to understand or don't understand. >> last question on this phone call. how was this comedian able to get in touch with the president. others say it's because the president uses his cell phone. does this worry you? >> quiet frankly i think it's great we have the most accessible president of the united states ever. there are circumstances were people have to be well advised on how to handle the contacts. i know when i need to talk to him i can reach out to him and hear from here shortly. we work closely on this issue. i understand the concern by some but i like the fact he would like to talk to people including their election.

>> the testimony got contentious. i got the impression you were not satisfied from the deputy attorney general. >> well, here is the thing. we are about getting to the facts. we want to know what happened with the fbi in 2016. both in regards of the hillary clinton campaign and the trump/russia collusion campaign. we are not trying to interfere with the investigation with robert mulller. how the bias happened and they bent over backyards not to prosecute hillary clinton and launch an investigation into trump russia collusion. after two years we have no evidence of is very concerning.

we can't let that happen in this election or future elections. therefore, things are being made in the fbi. they are hard at work changing out the personnel. some have been fired and some have left. they have adopted and are implementing the recommendations of the inspector general. we have been a long time getting to the documents and don't have the documents we need. the day before that hearing we saw in the private interview with peter the fbi council repeatedly instruct him not to answer questions critical to the investigation. then we learned that someone in the department of justice decided that communications within the department, not between the fbi but main department of justice, including with former attorney general lynch and deputy attorney

general sally yates were not been provided to us. >> do you want her to go or resign. he seems flustrated. i'm sure you are aware. at the time he fired comby he felt he was being used by the administration. what did you make of that? >> i don't know that. he never dolled m told me that. he never said that in public. >> you don't believe that story? >> i don't know, what i do know is when he came before congress right after the firing of mr. comby he was very strong in his decision that director comby should have been fired. he said that again, yesterday in the hearing as much as he

acknowledged the inaspect tor -- inspectors general report. quiet frankly every american should all be concerned about what was done by director comby. if you are a democrat aren't you worried about what he did textbootendays before? this was a gross miss handling of the case and i'm absolutely conferenced justice wasn't done there. the same thing not as publicly viewed. that's part of our problem. the same thing was going on in regards to launching this investigation into the trump/russia collusion. >> a lot of your colleagues at the same session were calling for his head. they were calling for him to go. do you think he should step down? >> i'm not calling for his head.

i'm calling for continued cooperation and farther stepped-up cooperation so we can get at the trust. what i'm interested in is learning the facts of what was going on in 2016 and 2017 relating to the two investigations. i want him to be continuing to produce the documents. he's met with us several times. this is an ongoing investigation. everyone needs to understand he has to be continuing to produce documents until we get to the point were there is nothing more that we need to see. we don't know what that will be because ever time we talk to a witness we find we need more information. i want him there but wanted him their producing the information we need.

>> it sounds like it was flustration at the time of comby firing cody. he worked with mr. rosenstein. they put greyhound tire tracks on his back. they true him under th -- threwr the bus. >> being the deputy attorney general under the most important investigation in a long time involving both of the candidates for the highest autos i office e land is a difficult situation. i don't agree with every step he's taking. we should get at the facts then to continue throwing people under the bus who were not involved back in 2016 when this whole thing was created.

as long as the director of the fbi, christopher ray is doing a great job working hard to set the fbi in the right course. he made the point and i agree with him this isn't about the tens of thousands who keep us safe and prevent terrorist attacks. this is about a handful of people, maybe a slightly larger group who have been involved in a miscarricker -- mischaracter of justice. >> thank you. >> thank you, neil. kidney of you catch micheal moore with the supreme court pick. he said he would surround the u.s. capital with a few other people to stop the confirmation.

how will this go? after this.

the trust is we have to fact lose the ideals of the country. >> what did you say? did you speak out? did you speak from your heart. now is the moment we must fight. >> they are right and they are wrong and we must fight every single step of the way. all right, i'll put them all out as a maybe. he's the president of the united states. it's okay for him to do so right now. i don't want to get in the timing issue. many on the left are upset about this.

kerry is here. her group is among those releasing an ad. i had a feeling, kerry, good luck on that. what reaction have you gotten? >> look, when the justice last year was nominated we had some cross the party lines. this year we had 10 democrats that were up for reelection. they will have a tough chose. do you vote with someone who is across the board and qualified. that might play well in california and massachusetts to do the extremist thing. i'm not sure about places like montana. i think there will be a lot of pressure on more senate democrats to do the right thing and not turn this into a party line battle. >> it already is.

when i heard about micheal moor's rally. this will be crazy. >> this is maxine water's to the extreme. we'll see distortions of records and lies about whoever the nominee is. >> mr. moor i moore is not adg violence. i want to get to the five individuals, one men and two women. he will interview them this weekend. i'm wondering more about what issues come up. whether he would ask someone point-blank how you feel about roe v. wade. the list has been vetted by

conservatives. they all have conservative mustard. what are your thoughts? >> he can't and won't and said he won't. it's totally improper to ask a guarantee from a nominee how to vote. he won't ask that about abortion or other hot button issues. what she should be looking at look at their jural philosophies. do they abide by the constitution and notary to morph the contusion into what they think. are they articulate and can write well. they will convey their ideas to the public. of course the courage of your conventions. stand-up, even if you know it's legally right and know you will get legal rights. it couldn't be a better group of

people to find the qualifications. i'm excited to see who's next. >> do you worry some candidates morph from what's on paper. i'm reminded about david suiter a judge who ended up being anything else. even justice kennedy. he was appointed by ronald reagan. he was one of the first votes for the key aspect of roe v. wade. many justices evolve and become something a tad different than originally thought to be. >> that's something the white house team does well. he knows the president wants to hear these great theories. you need someone who can show from their career whether it's articles they have published or cases they decided put them in

practition. it's not just talking to talk but walking the walk when you knew you would get political push back or don't take a stand on an issue you know will be controversial because it will limit your career prospects. that's a future. that shows someone with courage and not just trying to pander to the parties at be. that person will keep those principals throughout their tenure on the supreme court. >> and it could be decades. we'll see how it goes. thank you for coming in. >> great to talk with you. i don't know if a lot of you have stepped outside but for half of the country it's hot. i think they said tomorrow it will be over 100 degrees. that's sweating weather right there. we will talk about this as a backdrop for an over heating

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the president has been busy tweeting. no many picked up on this one. i'm the nerd here. i caught this one. i just spoke to the king of saudi arabia. i'm asking saudi arabia to increase oil production. prices are too high. i think he meant t-o-o high. who am i. i have the former congresswoman hayward. he's saying lets get the prices

down. he said you need to beef up production. >> not at all the president has beefed up american domestic oil production. that's part of the straight of this economy. >> it's rocketing. >> the summer conversion to gasoline and ethanol mix will race it's prices. >> one, if you encourage more production that hurts the energy sector. it's not good for business and a critical job creator in the united states. gasoline prices have come down recently. they are down to two dollars -- i'm the nerd too. $2.85. it's down 11-cent per gallon from a month ago. this is down from a year ago.

>> i made the preductio presided release oil from the petroleum reserve as of march. there were $600 million worth of oil. even headed into the midterm election. this is something part of the toolbox of the president. >> you know, one thing, the backdrop from this is it's a strong economy. demand is deciding things. that's both a benefit and curse at times. >> a strong economy with the trillion dollars deficit that's coming our way. >> waitwait a minute, you are a liberal concerned about these kinds of things. >> no one seems to mind we have a new trillion dollars deficit.

>> we'll get into that. this economy isn't strong enough. >> it appears strong but will we pay later. unemployment is down. >> you were rolling your eyes. >> the economy is strong. economic confidence against lower income americans has been strong recently. they hit a 25 year low late last year. it's been below 6% this year. everybody is benefiting. you know why people are not upset about high are gasoline prices because 90% of americans are seeing more money because of the tax cut. even if it's grac it's gasoline. three dollars per gallon for the year that only knocks off a third. >> i agree with her completely

and the take home is as we head to the midterms. people need to remember and folks need to remember this is the results of gop policies and congress working with president trump to provide us with more jobs, better wages, lower taxes, and by the way the tax cuts on business are more then paying for cuts. >> even with the gas prices close to three dollars people are traveling because they want to get away from the rehearsed sneering of people on television. that's not who americans are. >> you aren't talking about this show? >> no, you don't manufacture anything. >> very predictable.

>> how are democrats handling this? >> handling the economy? it seems like we are spending more then bringing in. it's the same old story. >> just like the obama years. >> we can go back so many years. this is the way it is. >> they are worried about what they see. all of a sudden this might not be much of a wave. >> we don't know if the blue wave is coming or what the midterms will look like. >> the republicans are indeed worried about the increase premiums for obamacare and the health insurance. they will find out what they are in october. kellyanne said this was the biggest issue for women and house finances. >> you know, i can't figure that woman out. she's all over the map. i have no idea were she's coming

from. that will probably get me in trouble. when you look at this and you get the back and forth that we are picking up steam, we are not picking up steam. i worry about the trade stuff as well. they have been ahead of this. this idea that can offset a lot of republicans have said that. that's the wild card. we have no way of guessing how it will go. next week some tariffs are beginning to kick in. >> there are rumblings. g.m. announced they might have to race pricehave -- to raise pa bit. >> i'm shocked it took the president this long not to criticize. >> larry is a brilliant voice. >> you don't think there will be a trade war. >> i trust him to have judgment

on what moves us forward. if he ceases this is not working to our advantage. >> they are already not working to our advantage. farmers across the country are extremely concerned about the soybean crisis. >> by the way, this is on the futures market and it tanked. >> these are on the markets that livelihoods are under market. they don't know what the next six months or year looks like. >> by the way. it's not just china but we picked a trade fight about moving production to europe. canada, yesterday, announced a list of items they will slap tariffs on. >> ketchup, that's bad. >> this will effect consumers.

when it effects our pocketbooks. >> that's the wild card. i mean, that's a real concern because that could completely many practice. >> all of the gains. when our pocketbooks are effected. >> the support the president has gotten on the tariffs has come largely from liberals that feel he has the right to talk about all of this. not the republicans which is kind of wild. >> you know why i think? they are trying tote get him to do something destructive. >> you know that bernie sanders is tough on trades. they are trying to good eat him to do stuff. >> what about the immigration stuff. at least get these types of folks. they are very angry. i believe midterms are decided

by those who are angry than by those satisfied. >> there is broad support for secure borders including among democrats, community of color. this isn't a winning issue for the far left. >> it could get them out to the polls. >> that's the point, who will show up? if you are fat and happy. >> let me ask you about this. that's how the midterms go. who is angry on the other side. are they angry enough to go to the polls. the argument now is not as many are angry as before. you seem to think just as many or maybe more. >> the images about immigration. people with the kids and cages

coming out. are the angry voters going to decide what will happen with the midterm. >> aan appalling problem. it's june and not july yet. this is in terms of the children. they are at the height of the problem. they polled them and said parents would like to break the law and the federal government trying to enforce the law. they put the blame on their parents into the united states illegally. there is that feeling. it comes down to the pocketbook. it will be about insurance cost and do people feel more flush. they called $2,000 bonuses pathetic crimes.

>> also on the flip side neither party is addressing what to do about it. we are over a trillion dollars deeper in the red than when the president took over. is that the kind of stuff that could undo him. we are on it after this. say no to this because of my bladder, not today thanks to tena intimates with proskin technology designed to absorb so fast, it helps to protect and maintain your skin's natural balance so you can feel fresh and free to get as close as you want all day, and now all night for a free sample visit tena.us

there are a lot of summits being planned. mark it down on your calendar. the president will have a sit-down. he said that a number of times. this is a summit environment here. general, good to have you. what will make this a bigger deal then the prior meetings

that the two have had. >> first of all, they just had o brush by meeting a year ago. nothing on the agenda of any consequence. this is an agenda driven summit. this is something putin wanted. he's an international praia. hundreds of thousands are dead in syria. they are including the united states. he wants this thing because he's meeting with the world's number one leader. this gives him legitimacy. this is something we should do regardless of how it helps putin, the issues out there are so serious on the international stage with ukraine and syria. north korea, certainly. this should be on the agenda and should be discussed.

we have to deal with these issues. putin can do something about the issues. >> i hadn't had a chance to talk to you since the president maid those comments. i guess it prompted and lead him to getting kicked out from the g-8 and now the g-7. >> yeah, i think, you know, the president has made a number of comments not together. i know the tame surrounds him well. they talk to him on a regular bases. they are clear eyed, neil, on what they are dealing with in putin.

he's a thug. >> who is clear eyed. >> who is? >> the president is. >> i haven't heard him say a bad word. he has been very tough on russia when it's come to the other issues and mentioning it and sanctions. i haven't heard him critical to the degree -- >> i have a theory on that. i used the framework of president g. he's always had this thought. if i could have a personal relationship with a leader, even though we have fundamental disagreements, it's possible we could make progress. i'm not apologizing for him, believe me. >> sure. >> as a result of his personal relationship he believes he made progress. that remains to be seen.

that's why he held his fire on putin but not on russia as an entity and given how the policies were tramped over. he's iing to get in the room with him. he knows he manipulated his predecessors. he would like to get at this himself and develop a relationship. given the fact this russians are liars and don't fulfill the promises they keep there is a lot at risk here in terms of who the personal relationship means. >> all right, we shall see. the big meeting and summit is scheduled for july 16. all right, sometimes you have to step back and say only from america. a guy, a very modest individual.

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can you imagine? and let's get the read from garrett tenney live from the white house. that's a star-studded event as well, garrett. >> yeah, neil, this is the really center piece of these marches taking place across the country and around the world today. more than 600 taking place and these are marches that families belong together. and i want you to take a look at part of the crowd. folks are fired up and this program just got started and as you mentioned, these marches were originally planned before trump signed the executive order separating families. the purpose of this march have evolved as we moved forward. the judge signed an order calling for the administration to reunify families within the next 30 days as well to speed up the process. but folks are saying it's not happening fast enough and really, this is thought to be a protest on the policy and the rhetoric of the trump administration when it comes to immigration, and they're calling

officially for an end of the separation of families, which has happened. they're calling for the families to be reunified and they're calling for the families to no longer be detained together. now, what it is that they're looking for in terms of overall immigration policy. what they've told us is something more in line with traditional american values is the words that they are using. what we saw in the obama administration is what they are more comfortable with. of course, the trump administration is saying that's why we have a lot of problems that we are dealing with today. neil. >> all right, garrett tenney in washington d.c. that's where one of the bigger of the protests will be going on. and now, a lot of them, of course, as i said at the outset. removal of kids from their parents at the border and now, it's moved on to getting them reunited and eventually the kids will be reunited with their parents and it's just a matter of time. tell that to those who will never experience that. like courtney hacking who lost her husband and two children when their car was struck by an

illegal immigrant driver. tell her about getting reunited with her family, that's not going to happen. courtney hacking joins us right now. thank you for joining us and it certainly must be difficult, but i appreciate you taking the time. >> thank you for having me today. neil: when you see these protests and everyone is talking about getting families back together. we can all support that. and then going what you have been through, it's got to ring a little hollow. >> it does. i don't believe any child should be separated from their parent, but at the same time i'm not permanently separated from my children and i don't have the chance to be able to see them again. so, it's kind of a -- it's a sticky situation when you want a child to be with their parent, but at the same time because of a lot of that, i do not get to see my children ever.

neil: you know, i always wonder when it comes to protests, courtney, whether we're fair and balanced covering them. i don't see any protests on your behalf or fallen angels, those families who have had an experience of the tragedy that you've experienced. does that bother you? >> it does. everybody wants to talk about the families being separated from illegal immigration and then that's a hot topic, but what they don't think about is we are in america and every day parents are separated from their children permanently by actions that are often caused by the people, those very people who are here illegally to begin with. so we see one side of the story. we don't see the other and i have personally received multiple e-mails and messages from families who have gone

through the same thing and i didn't know any of them. and it saddens me that their stories aren't getting told when we hear about all of the other ones being told and it's all about illegal immigration. neil: courtney, you mentioned those stories not being told and i've only briefly discussed what your family went through. do you mind revisiting that, telling us what happened? >> on that day my husband had picked up our son and daughter from the baby sitter's house and he was on his way home driving down 78 which was under construction at the time. two lanes and an illegal immigrant fell asleep at the wheel or we're not really sure what happened, but he swerved into my husband's lane and ended

up being a head-on collision and the van actually ended up on top of my husband's car. neil: and he died and those two children died. >> yes, yes, they did. neil: so, since then, and you've seen, you know, immigration has been a hot-- illegal immigration more to the point has been hotly contested on both sides for many years and the president talked of the need to build a wall, that that's got to be a part of any measure that's ultimately put in place. do you agree with that? >> i do. i agree with-- i also agree with the fact that our-- the laws that we have in place need to be more strictly enforced and expanded upon. i mean, there are certainly other things, like the wall that would be a great benefit, but we need to focus on our laws that we have now and enforcing those

laws and following up on them, most importantly, to make sure that we don't have the problem of even needing a wall in the future. neil: this issue has divided people usually along party lines as i'm sure you're aware. we rarely look at it through the lines of a mom or their children. i think we get caught up in the political rhetoric and the heat. what do you want to see washington do? i mean, if you had your drut ter terse-- druthers. what do you want to see done? >> i want to see follow-through. i want to see our country be our country and i want to see our citizens being treated because

at the moment i'm seeing our citizens treated with less respect and common courtesy than illegal immigrants. we have people fighting and protesting for, you know, immigration policies and allowing them to stay, but nobody fights for us anymore and i would like to see our government fight for us. neil: and you don't see that happening? >> i see at the moment -- i see glimpses of it, but i see it getting knocked down quite bit and that's the sad part. neil: understandably. courtney, it's got to be very difficult when you do these interviews, that i know. as a dad i cannot fathom what you've been through and what you continue to go through, but thank you very much for taking the time. more after this.

>> we have been a long time getting to the documents and still do not have all the documents we need and just the day before that hearing we saw in the private interview with peter strzok the fbi counsel repeatedly instruct him not to answer questions that were critical to our investigation. neil: all right. that was a short time ago from chairman goodlatte. where is this going? if you want more information about peter strzok and what he told workers in 11 hours, and he told congressmen and women who were interviewing behind closed doors and rob rosenstein, what documents he hasn't shared. it seems like a big legal mess for me. fortunately, the federal senior editor molly hemingway keeps

track of this and on every little detail and current. what changed this week? if you had to look back at the strzok stuff and back and forth, you know, what would you say we've learned or advanced? >> well, you've heard for quite some time a few voices in both the house and the senate expressing extreme frustration at the department of justice, policy of slow walking every single request for information that's come out of these committees. what happened this week, it started to get much bigger. you have the sense of the house resolution where they're telling the department of justice they have one week to comply with some of these information requests and you see just, it's not just one committee here or one committee there, it's starting to be all the committees that perform oversight of department of justice are experiencing this frustrating thing where they slow walk every request for information. they claim they don't know what's going on. they claim they were uninvolved in various decisions when really, congress is just trying to get to the bottom of what's going on. it's very hard to say whether

there is a major problem at the fbi or department of justice when you're dealing with limited information, but there's a lot of reason for concern, and it's time for the department of justice to turn that information over. >> you know, molly. there are guys who say this is all about republicans trying to besmirch whatever final report comes out of bob mueller's office, what do you think. >> there are people who believe in the russia conspiracy, and others who believe that the department of justice is corrupt and couldn't be trusted and in the middle what was going on. how were they making their decisions? we obviously already know from the number of people who have been fired, resigned, resigned under pressure, moved around in various positions that there were major problems at the fbi, that's indisputable. we already know that they were playing fast and loose with some of the ways they went about investigating the trump campaign and a problem with some of the ways they went about investigating the clinton campaign. so it really is, at this point, i think fair-minded people need

information to make a determination how serious the problem is and without getting that information, it's very difficult. i think there's an idea at the department of justice if they slow walk this, maybe they can wait until the elections and democrats won't care if there's corruption at the fbi and they will survive. they're going to have problems with the senate committees who are not expressing any understanding that they're going to let up on trying to find out what was going on with the policies and procedures used to investigate the trump campaign, so, i think that the department of justice should just realize they're going to have to come clean and and sometimes you rip the bandaid off and get the information out there and you'll be better for everybody. we have a problem where there really is distrust in the fbi and its decision making process and the department of justice, and the best way to have the country come together is by being a little bit more forthright about their decision-making process.

neil: you have to go back in the case of mr. rosenstein, maybe to the firing of james comey himself. you've seen this new york times story that back then, comey felt he was being used by the white house. nothing seemed to indicate that in his public comments at the time, but that he was frustrated. you're familiar with the story. what do you think of it? >> i'm actually, i'm not entirely sure what you're saying there, but james comey had a problem how he portrays events and how his portrayal of the events changes over time and he played a lot of games with the trump administration. neil: i'm talking about rod rosenstein. he felt he was being used by the white house explaining the firing or explaining his firing of james comey at the time. >> one thing i would say about rod rosenstein, he was very much vindicated in the recent inspector general report and the reason why james comey was

fired. it was how james comey had sort of taken the law into his own hands and made the decisions without following the procedures of the fbi. everything in that inspector general report confirmed what rod rosenstein said in his memo. there could be many reasons firing james comey, partial his mishandling of the fbi and two major investigations. and including how he interacted with the trump administration itself. he was publicly insinuating that trump was investigation for ties to russia, privately assuring donald trump he wasn't and that can lead to a lack of trust, how you're doing thing, a j. edgar hoover approach to the fbi which is no longer in favor. neil: not once he lied, a lack of trust, changed position. molly, always good having you. thank you very much. >> thanks. neil: we've been showing you immigration protests going on

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president created this crisis of separation of families and the president could end it today. he did not end it with his executive order. let's be very clear about that. there are still 2700 children locked up in detention centers in cages, parents that are in totally separate places and no way to reunite. and on top of that, the executive order allowed for indefinite imprisonment of children and families.

and i don't believe that any would believe that children should be kept in cages whether they're with their families or not. you can't say combine them, put them together, but put them in a jail. we know the long-term detrimental effects on children when they're taken from their parents and imprisoned. the people out here in every single state across the country, republicans and democrats, independents, people who know that this is what we're fight for now is beyond products. this is about right and wrong and mothers and fathers who have to go home at night and tell their children that we are doing this in the name of the government, want to be out here on the streets and want the president to reverse this executive order, this policy, excuse me, and stop putting kids in jails, in cages. stop putting parents who are seeking asylum into prisons. let's just reunite these kids with their parents and let's do what is really great and

beautiful about america and show that this is not a country that puts kids in cages. i just don't know how to describe that other than it's outrageous. >> do you not believe the president or ice that their goal is to get them reunited. that it won't happen overnight that somehow their goal is to keep them separated forever? is that tonight appear to be statements i'm getting out of them. do you know anything that i don't know? >> right, yeah, thanks, neil. i don't believe that they have a plan and, in fact, i know for a fact that they do not know which children belong to which parents. and the reason i know that is because i went into a federal prison where some of these women who are seeking asylum. seeking to escape rape and political persecution and gang violence and murder were being held. and one of them showed me a slip of paper that she had been handed by somebody in the administration, either ice or dhs, and it said her name, and then it supposedly has the names

of her children and she pointed to it and she said these are not my children. so i've heard it directly, but i've also heard it from others that the government does not have is clear accounting of which children belong to which parents. my office has been in touch with the ice officials. we have been trying to get this. they said, oh, well, we have a spread sheet, but we have to go in and manually pull the information we have and see how many of these kids are where and, you know, whether or not that we know where their parents are. and i am deeply concerned that these parents are not going to get access to their children and i have to say, neil, i've been haunted by this and i've had republicans who don't agree with me on a lot of other issues call my office and say, thank you, this is not who we are. that's what franklin graham, a big trump supporter said. that's what laura bush, former first lady of the republican party said, that this is not who we are. we have to stop doing this and we have to stop now and that's

what these hundreds of thousands of people are saying is love -- you know, love for who we are as a country and the fact that this is not what we do. neil: congresswoman, i take you at your word that this is not politics. i wonder when some of your colleagues are stressing this issue and it's a moralistic issue, but they weren't enraged when a lot of adolescents were in facilities and deemed to be drug deals and got here on their own, and in facilities during the obama years, and i don't remember much rage on that. and i had congressman cuellar telling me it wasn't with president obama, but now with president trump. >> it's a reasonable question.

i was not in congress at the time and i was on the outside and you might see that i did call on president obama to make sure that we were not doing any of these similar things, and in fact, he did stop. and his administration did stop. they never, never, never detained children with their parents in imprisonment. they never allowed a child to go into a court and not even have representation in a court. how can a three-year-old toddler represent themselves. neil: but they did. they did. there were kids, there were kids who were in facilities without their parents because their parents were nowhere to be found. >> well, that's different. unaccompanied children is a whole different issue and you know, there are now facilities that have conditions that the kids can be kept in. we still don't agree with that, but i tell you that what is happening now is of a scale that's very different. neil, i've never been afraid to

call out democrats, including my own president, who believe me, i miss deeply, deeply miss president obama, but i was never afraid to call him out so when i thought something wrong was being done, but i got to tell you having worked on this issue for 20 years, that i have never in my life seen anything like this. kids in cages, taking away the right of parents to apply for asylum, which is a legal obligation of the united states under the convention of refugees. and what this president is doing in saying words like infestation, invasion, vermin, i as an immigrant member of congress one of only a dozen members who is a proud american and born outside of the united states, i find it deeply disturbing that we are setting conditions for this kind of division and hatred when all of us unless you're native americans had ancestors from

somewhere else. let's get our hearts where they need to be and put politics aside and end this zero tolerance, zero humanity policy. that's what these people are saying. neil: thank you for joining us. i know it's a heated day and a hot day, especially where you are. be well, thank you very, very much. all right. just as a quick point of clarification, everyone who applies for asylum this this country gets a hearing, not everyone is granted asylum, but you do get a hearing. you are heard. that is what we do. a little more after this. say no to this because of my bladder, not today thanks to tena intimates with proskin technology designed to absorb so fast, it helps to protect and maintain your skin's natural balance so you can feel fresh and free to get as close as you want all day, and now all night for a free sample visit tena.us

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the united states supreme court, but it says something about his drive, something probably and i mean this with the highest respect, his stubbornness because he won. mark january-- janus joins us now. you're in the history books. >> it was overwhelming. i was someone thursday and a law professor is writing a new edition for adding the case to the curriculum. en that was very, very interesting and had no idea would go down in history in law. neil: i'm not surprised it hit a nerve and by a 5-4 vote hit the court to do this, but many public union workers and public unions themselves are very concerned that you are slowly undoing unions in this country. and that was not your intent. explain why you did what you

did. >> well, what i-- the reason i did it was because the-- you know, i was being forced to pay a fee without joining the union. call it coercion, call it whatever you want, and it just didn't sit right with me that some-- in order to keep a job in the state or the public sector, you have to pay somebody to have that job because if we don't pay, i can't have the job. and you know, this isn't-- this isn't just my fight. there's about 5 million public sector workers across illinois and what i'm -- and the united states and what it is the first amendment, it's not a suggestion, it's a contract. neil: you know, in a way, paying these dues was deemed to be a contract, even i guess for some of your co-workers who maybe not

happily, grudgingly paid these dues or fees, whatever you want to call them because it's the price of admission and having and doing their job. you were the stubborn guy who said no. explain how that evolved, what happened to trigger that. >> well, it evolved from the standpoint i kept seeing the money coming out of my check as a line item and you know, as time went on, i also saw what the unions were doing here in illinois, which it's no secret, illinois's in a deplorable condition budget-wise and otherwise. and so, from that standpoint, you know, we-- i just felt it wasn't right, the unions kept asking for more and more and more in a budget year and-- or the last several years where the state's just hurting. and plus, when you talk about wages and benefits and you talk

about seniority and they didn't seem to be transparency there either that i liked. one of the things i found very, very interesting, when we did get to the supreme court and after we had our oral argument, you've got randy wine garden, head of the teachers' union saying well, i guess maybe we better do a better job communicating with our members and that was just kind of like an a-ha moment. here is somebody a union professional admitting that they need to do a better job. neil:. neil: the teachers union president winegarden. the argument that lost in the court is that you benefit from whatever the unions do for their members, but you don't have to pay for the privilege now. what do you make of that? >> well, but let's look at it this way though. the unions asked for and they received that all inclusive collecting bargaining. they're the ones that sought it out. and they're the ones that

received it, so now they're the ones that are reaping the consequences or the benefits, if you will. now what we have to do at least here in illinois, we've got to get the law changed so if the unions do not want to represent those of us that are not members, they can do that and just represent members only. and that's up to them. they're going to have to make that decision for themselves. >> you know, public unions are a much bigger deal than they are in the private work force where only 6% are unionized. about one out of three in the public sector, because of the supreme court case and your victory, it could go down dramatically. how do you feel about that likely impact? >> well, i think that it has yet to be seen. you know? it's hard to predict what's going to happen here in the next weeks or months. we just had the decision wednesday and i think what we're going to have to take a look at is what are the unions offering and what kind of a product, if

you will, just like whether you're a car manufacturer or, you know, a dishwasher manufacturer or any other product that's out there. they're going to have to convey to the membership that they have a product that people are going to want to participate and voluntarily join. and let's be clear. this is something that is not going to affect the collective bargaining from the point they still can. they'll still have their federal membership and when you look on the federal side. the federal side don't have to pay the agency fees and the federal unions are doing very well and they're very comprehensive. >> mark janus. very good to see you. >> you're welcome, thank you. >> amazing case that can only happen in america. not everyone is happy with this decision and the impact for america. fair and balanced and someone sympathetic to that cause said this was a dangerous precedent.

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>> all right, the other side of that court case that mark janus helped win and former communications member of america, carla, it's been some years since we chatted. >> good to see you. neil: you don't like the supreme court decision? >> no, no, this decision was not only wrong, i don't think it was about free speech. it was about a political attack on workers' freedom to join unions. neil: are not join. >> and on workers generally. i mean, this is a weird situation now where unions are the only private organization in the country that by law have to represent people that are not paying for their services. you know, we feel like this is part of the longstanding, several decades long attack

public general workers union, diminishing state of collective bargaining rights and as you know, public sector workers have been sort of the strongest stronghold in the labor movement with 50% of them organized. neil: why is that? to hear this gentleman tell, you have no choice. in other words, it's either part of the union or pay into the union and you can't work there. >> well, that's actually not true. for the first last 41 years under the law, you were-- had the free choice and you never were compelled to be a member of the union and you were just paying a fair share fee or some people call it an agency fee because you were reaping the benefits of the collective bargaining agreement. the health benefits, contractual raises. >> a member of the union. >> that's correct. >> you paid a fee for services and it's a democracy, right?

i still pay my taxes and-- >> that's a good point. this guy saying i had-- understood, but he had no choice in that matter, he had to paying something even though he wasn't a member and he didn't think that was fair. >> he had a choice of taking a job in a unionized work place. >> that's the problem, why must it be automatically a unionized work place. neil: the fees are, right? >> people voted for a union. unions are democracies and are elected. neil: and also-- understood, but-- what's wrong with them saying, are the unions are so good people have to pay for the privilege, it's if it's not, they won't. >> because it undermines the ability to effectively bargain a contract. so if you have, first of all, it's a drain on resources which

would be a train on-- drain on staff and i'm currently at the bargaining table with our university. if you don't think that the employers think about who are members of the union and who are not, you'd be fooling yourself. that they really-- >> the people on the other side would say they use it to divide and conquer. >> i don't see this case as being about mark janus or rebecca fredericks or free speech. this has been a well-funded campaign by billionaires and corporate interest to undermine the last vestages-- >> and a guy who was-- >> and this wasn't funded by corporate interest. neil: he didn't like to be forced to do something. >> now what? you can always find, all right, if you are interested in proving

a point, which the organizations that are behind the janus case are, you can find somebody who is willing to be a mraf.plainti mark is in the type of job that we want to protect, right? so when we're talking about protecting unions, we're really also-- in the public sector, we're talking about public services, like firefight, emt's. neil: and that would be next-- >> when you make the work force unstable you have much more chaotic on the front. strikes like in west virginia, oklahoma as opposed to collective bargaining at the table. neil: carla katz, good seeing you. don't make yourself a stranger. as we were speaking, we learned that the president spoke with prime minister justin trudeau of canada. i'm sure what came up are the

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>> all right. fair and balanced. we gave you the good news, since months into the tax cuts, the markets, the economy, everything on fire. unfortunately, the debt fund, too, it's getting a lot worse. the debt has been piling up under this president pretty much as it had under his predecessor and others presidents it's

picking up pace because at this level it doesn't take much to get exponentially worse. and we'll look at the flip side of what happens here. speak up. we've got dagen mcdowell and kathy, that was your point prior, that the debt is out of control. >> it is. neil: you're very, very young and you have the same concern under barack obama so i'll take that as a given. >> okay. neil: what do you make of what's happening on the debt? >> it's going to-- it's record-breaking so it's going to be larger than our economy in 16 years. politico reported that. the average family will have to pay $150,000 in order to pay off this debt. neil: so i guess we've got to scale back entitlements. >> i think so, sure. >> that's something that the president promised that he wouldn't touch, entitlements when he was campaigning. maybe we get that after the midterm elections because that is going to be critical. the medicare hospital trust fund goes broke in eight years, eight

years, it runs out of money and pay about 90 cents on the dollar in benefits there. one of the issues is that we need to have the population keep growing. we're an economy, neil, because it's so healthy and ultimately, healthy-- healthier economy will have more tax revenue coming in which we've seen from the tax cuts and we have more job openings than there are unemployed in this country. so we need legal immigration to keep the population growing and keep the money flowing into security. neil: the emphasize legal. >> i did say legal. neil: and this whole thing chokes me up, excuse me. you worked as a congress woman and dagen and i talked over many, many years that both sides lack the will to do something because this happened and to kathy's point, to democratic administration, republican administration, no one is serious about this and this is a ticking time bomb because this is eventually going to explode. >> neil, it's the fundamental

folly of putting the federal government in charge of pensions and benefits. the brilliance of the constitution was it really essentially left those things to the states and the people, which is where it belongs. it does not belong politicized for voters in federal elections and i can tell from my experience if you mention the word, any member, doesn't matter, democrat, republican, doesn't matter where you are or your constituency. if you mention the word reform and social security and medicare, within a paragraph of each other, seniors run for the exits. >> oh, no, no, i remember that. we had ball ry-- we had paul ryan, and medicare, and we had he wanted to throw granny off the cliff. >> ixnay on paul ryan's plan, it concerns me, unless the election

goes along with it, congress won't change. >> i've said this for years and screaming to the high heavens and raising the roof with my rage, the amount of spending out of washington and lack of action to fix entitlements, medicare and social security. however, we have the united states is now still able to borrow at less than 3% a year over ten years because the yield on the 10-year treasury because the market refuses to come down. until the borrowing and interest rates are under control-- >> and 22, 23 becomes 25, 30. i think they're saying to your point about dwarfing our gdp and soon 35 trillion. so, what do you do? what do you think that democrats or republicans should do? >> well, the problem is that these tax cuts have taken away now, one trillion dollars-- >> you talked about the 1 1/2 trillion of the tax cuts and say nothing about-- but, but, nothing about the 10

trillion in added spending on top of that. the tax cuts-- >> we're spending more, but not bringing in more, but we are going to pay the price yesterday. neil: do the math. 10 trillion-- believe me, money is money. but you make a big deal, 1 1/2 trillion in tax cut. and don't make a big deal of 10 trillion spending. that's weird to me. >> it seems weird, but we're going to end up paying later like a credit card. neil: i know. >> i'm not an economist, but-- >> so get that. >> it's not-- it's also an economy that didn't grow even at 3% annual rate under president obama. that was a revenue problem. spending was relatively tame and the fact that the economy wasn't growing that-- >> what about a 4% clip. that was the bill clinton argument. would that help? >> you have to cut spending, but goes a long way to grow the economy. neil: we've got to grow the economy. >> if i can add to dagen's point

about spending under president obama, the restraint happened after the republican got into the house, majority. and that's the only way. we cut that spending. neil: yeah, but we got away from these backup spending cuts and curbs put in and both sides do this because they have no-- ments we need to bust the filibuster in the senate. >> it's high comedy with respect to kathy, that the democrats are worried about the debt. that is high comedy. and by the way, i love how they waffle between, oh, the tax cuts raise the debt. oh, but then you didn't make them permanent for individuals. they didn't vote for it. neil: and kathy-- >> and the economy has always been strong under the democrats. neil: it's strong now. >> well, yes, but on-- that is going to be bigger than ever on trump's watch. >> and growth under obama was not strong. neil: well, we were in a meltdown, money took off, fair and balanced. >> regulations kill enterprise. neil: well, a pox on all that,

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>> thousands of marchers rally against president trump's immigration policies. including in washington d.c. and new york city. this as president trump praises the work that ice is doing to enforce immigration laws. and his picks for retired supreme court justice anthony kennedy. >> as america celebrates 242 years since declaring its independence this july 4th, we're spending the holiday weekend in traverse city, michigan, where we'll get the