>> there's a reason why call you the great one. mark: my pleasure. see you next time on "life, liberty and levin". harvey levin: the objects people choose to keep in their home define who they are. this is... wow, oh, is that barcelona? that's barcelona. olympic gold medal. and the dream team. i'm harvey levin. this is a story about one of the most talented and important athletes in history. commentator: johnson over parish. he hits it! the lakers win! harvey: earvin johnson's humble beginnings in michigan were a far cry from the glitz and glamour that came from being the center piece of the los angeles "showtime" lakers. you went to the playboy mansion a lot. i did. you're not supposed to tell everybody. but the fame, accolades, and championships came to a crashing halt

when he was diagnosed with hiv. back in 1991 this was a death sentence. i was lining up, getting the will together, getting everything in place when i was going to die. but magic put on an epic fight not just to live, but to make a difference. i just want to, before i leave here, make an impact on this world. he did just that, reinvigorating the inner cities and diving into politics. who is more impressed with who? well, he loves basketball. magic johnson, the man with the heart of a champion, continues to reinvent himself and redefine what it means to win. what's up, harvey? how are you, man? it's so good to see you. good to see you, too. you know what we're gonna do? we're gonna do it this way. we might have to. wait, you're gonna stand there and interview me from right here? okay, so let me tell you what we're gonna do.

i have followed you my whole life because i was born in l.a., and you were kind of the thread of my life. thank you. so i wanna trace your life from childhood on and figure out how you became the guy you are. - okay. - let's get started. let's do it. okay, what's your object here? well, these are keys. you know, my dad worked for general motors for 30 years, - and michigan is known for cars. - of course. magic: the big three in michigan, and so that's what i grew up really loving because of my father, and because of who he is and was has allowed me to become the man i am today, you know, 'cause i idolize my father, i always wanted to be like my father. harvey: your dad, my understanding is, never missed a day of work in his whole life. magic: thirty years. so i have that same mentality. - so it rubbed off. - it rubbed off. in so many ways. harvey: you grew up poor. you had ten kids in the family. did you dream poor or dream big?

dream big. i didn't have poor dreams. i had big, rich dreams, and i don't know why. right? and i was always dreaming that i would play in the nba. i was always dreaming that i would have a nice home. i was always dreaming that i would become a businessman. did you believe in yourself? i believed in myself. you thought it would happen. no question about it. i thought it would happen because i was putting the work in. you know, i was putting the time in. and my mom was encouraging me and telling me that one day i could do this, i could go play in the nba. and that really helped. tell me about your mom. the sweetest person on earth. my mother, she's a really christian woman, and we would go to the hospital, and when somebody's sick, she would take our last-- now, this is our last food-- and take it to them. - really. - you gotta share. when you have something, you have to share. and i was like, wow,

and now that's who i am today. mr. and mrs. earvin johnson. without you getting me on that truck every day, every morning, making me go to work with you, i wouldn't really learn what hard work was all about without you. i owe you so much, and i love you so much, dad. tell me about racial prejudice growing up. yeah, it played a part because i lived on the west side of lansing, and it was predominantly black, and so here i am, you know, elementary, middle school predominantly black. now i get bussed to a high school that was all white. harvey: and you were against that. magic: i was against that because it was a school that was only ten minutes away, sexton high school, i could've walked to, and they were a powerhouse in basketball, and i thought i was going to be a part of that tradition. every high school was bad in basketball,

so it's like, "oh, no, i'm going to the losing school. and so i get bussed across town. first couple of weeks it was challenging. a lot of fights, name calling, the whole thing. it was-- i thought that maybe this wasn't gonna work and we would never make it through the year. did it work? it finally worked, and sure enough i'm glad that i went to everett high school, to know how to work along somebody who didn't look like me 'cause my whole life i've been doing that. so that actually helped me for everything that i do today. so it was a blessing for me. it didn't hurt basketball either. no, it didn't hu-- we won the state title my senior year, so everything worked out for me. commentator: pass to johnson, he'll go in for the... behind the back stunt. harvey: did you feel that basketball was your destiny, growing up? yeah, i really did. it was, uh, i don't know, i just loved to play.

i dribbled that ball all the time. i took it to school. when we had breaks, i would be out on the basketball court playing, lunch time playing, after school playing. how did you get the name "magic?" so we're undefeated, and people wonder, what is going on with with everett high school, and the sportswriter came in and said, "oh, my god, i gotta give you a nickname. i gotta-- somebody's already called dr. j., somebody's already called big e. i'm gonna call you magic." and, harv, i never thought it would stick, you know? and the next day in the paper, "earvin 'magic' johnson." and everybody just followed suit. yeah. yeah, that's how i got my nickname. harvey: i am honored to be in this room. this blows me away. tell me about it. this is amazing. well, this is my trophy room. it used to be the kids' game room,

- so i couldn't wait till they got out the house. - get out of the house. i said, "go." and so i turned it into my trophy room. i asked commissioner stern, at that time, could i really have the real nba championship trophy, from tiffany? he allowed me, gave me permission to call tiffany. and these are the real nba championship trophies made by tiffany. these are, over here, all my mvps, every year that i won the mvp, i believe. fantastic. and then my championship rings are over here. so the five championship rings. and then what made it so unique and special, harvey, now, i had to have the floor. right? oh, this is-- this is my favorite. with the l.a. lakers, of course, los angeles lakers, and of course we were known for "showtime." commentator: kareem passes off to worthy. it's a four-on-two, middleman magic, right side worthy. he's got it. score.

that's showtime! but the real thing that i'm also excited about is this case here cookie and i were on vacation in venice, italy, and we went where they blow the glasses. harvey: so this is blown glass? magic: this is blown glass. pat riley, kareem, jamaal wilkes, michael cooper, james worthy, a.c. green, - kurt rambis-- - harvey: can i ask you a question? - magic: mychal thompson. - harvey: how'd you win a championship in a white school? ( laughter ) well... i wasn't too bad. but so they did this, and this is it right here. - harvey: it's fantastic. - yes. there is an element of your personality that drew celebrities, fans. the lakers made more money because of it. it became the biggest ticket in town. it was littered with celebrities. you were the guy that was bringing those people in. it's all i wanted to do was to win

and to entertain the fans. and i'll tell you one of the greatest moments i had. i got close to michael jackson, and i convinced him to come to a laker game. it must've been crazy. oh, my goodness, it was so crazy. he told me, ( imitating michael ) "i can't come. they're not gonna let me see the game." i said, "you gotta come anyway." and he came to a laker game, and it was the greatest moment for me and for the team, right? so i've had some great moments, being a laker, no question. you had a big rivalry that started in college, at msu, but continued with larry bird - yeah. - there was a racial element to this. - oh, yeah. - they called him "the great white hope" i think there still is a conflict between the white and the black, and i don't enjoy going to basketball and seeing all black players. blacks cheering for the lakers, whites for the celtics. and so it was that element to it as well. and the lakers, we were-- most of our team was black. most of their team was white.

so it just-- it had to play into it. you are such a smart guy. did people assume, "ah, he's a basketball player. he can't be that smart"? oh, yeah, i got that a lot. did you use it to your advantage? oh, i did. i really did, too. they don't understand how many times i met with commissioner stern, how many times i met with dr. buss. you know, i was meeting with ceos when i was still playing because i knew that was my next journey in life. you were thinking about that. i was thinking about it, even as a player. i wanna take you back to the day you got diagnosed. what went through your mind? i was just devastated. i mean, am i gonna die? what does that mean for cookie? that was the hardest thing i ever had to do was to drive home to tell her that i had hiv. with savings on the new sleep number 360 smart bed.

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that i'd be sitting here with you interviewing you in 2018, i wouldn't believe it because back in 1991 for a lot of people, this was a death sentence. that's right. i wanna take you back to the day you got diagnosed, when they told you this, because it was a routine blood test. what went through your mind? it blew me away. we were in utah about to play a exhibition game, and they called me back, got to the doctor's office and he begins to tell me that i had hiv. and-- and i was just devastated. i mean, am i gonna die? what does that mean for cookie? because that's what i was really scared of because she was pregnant with our son ej at that time and they said they didn't know until they test her. so that was the hardest thing i ever had to do, was to drive home to tell her that i had hiv

and i remember like it was yesterday. we were right in that room behind us here and as i began to tell her, she just cried, and i felt-- i just felt pain and hurt because here i am making the woman that love me cry. she went and got tested the next day. she was okay. the baby was fine. ej was fine. and then i can start working on myself. i was lining up everything, when i was gonna die, right? i was lining up getting a will together, getting everything in place. right? you held a press conference, which it was, honestly, remarkable, gripping, shocking, sad. it just shook the nation. um, because of the-- the hiv virus that i have attained, i will have to retire from the lakers today. cookie and i, she wanted to really not go public.

she was worried about what people gonna say and do to me. - harvey: with good reason. - magic: with good reason, right. and elisabeth glaser convinced her that the right thing to do was to go public. and that's what we did. and we wanted to help people and get the word out. i want people to know that we're just normal people. magic: mm-hm. aw, uh-uh, you don't have to cry. 'cause we are normal people. okay? i think that you-- with this program, i feel that we'll be able to educate all your friends and everybody else. and you did and you were strong and you had a positive attitude in public. what were you like in private? you know, still thinking, am i gonna be here? um, i was, you know, looking at her more and, you know, just like, man, i don't know what's gonna happen.

that's what really gets you, you're worrying about, "hey, are you gonna be here a long time or how many years do i have?" you know? and so i think that consumed me the first couple years. i was dealing with a lot and also not playing basketball anymore. that was-- that was the game that i love. and it came to a grinding halt. yes, and not being part of the lakers anymore. so when you think about all the things i had to deal with, it was a lot on me. newscaster: once thought to affect only promiscuous homosexual males, aids is now spreading in epidemic proportions to other segments of the population. harvey: at the time, aids was viewed as a gay disease. - magic: mm-hm. - harvey: and people started saying, "well, magic must be gay. there were teammates that were saying that as well. - right. - how did that impact you? well, first of all, it hurt me. you know, you knew who i was.

and, you know, when teammates start questioning you, saying different things that were untrue, that hurt me. but there were still other consequences. you had sponsors walk away from you. kfc walked away. target walked away. did you feel like you almost had a scarlet letter on your head? magic: oh, yeah. oh, yeah. oh, yeah. i mean, everybody walked away, and so, okay, that was something else i had to deal with, you know? the disclosure really put your private life in the spotlight. - yeah. yep. - your sex life. and all of a sudden people started talking about parties and women, and what came out was you had a really, you know, vibrant... life in l.a. for a long time. yes, i did, and i can't deny that. you know, i had fun out here in the best city in the world, and you just enjoyed yourself

and yes, there were a lot of women, but at the same time, it's so funny. i had that fun, but every time, harvey, i was empty, because i knew i loved cookie. so we had to deal with that, as a couple, and we dealt with that. i told her she could've left. i said, "i can understand if you want to leave. i would understand it." but she just-- she said, "no, i loved you from freshman year in college and we're gonna get through this," and we did and-- - how's your health? - my health is wonderful. - i mean-- - you look great. i'm about to be 59, you know, and still going, and so that says something right there. that's amazing. you came back to l.a. you went to the playboy mansion a lot. i did. you know, as a kid growing up in lansing, michigan, all you had was that "playboy" magazine, so you were like, "look at these." - it came to life. - exact--

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goal in the carmaker believes this proves he can mass-produce the battery-powered car. i'm robert gray and now back to object divide: magic johnson. no, it's not. you know, i was so blessed to carry this for the olympics for salt lake city, and i carried it in l.a. so this was 2002. 2002, yep. and it kind of underscores the whole thing. "hey, i may have hiv, but i 'm alive and i'm well." alive and well, healthy, and i think that we had somewhat turned a corner on the fact that people was forgetting that, "hey, this bad thing happened to magic johnson." he can still live with hiv, and still be accepted among people. - it wasn't defining you any longer. - exactly. exactly. so i'm taking you back to msu. you were a celebrity on campus, and my understanding is you really enjoyed that. well, i think that you would love the attention.

um... - you see the smile on my face. - yeah, no. i'm reading the subtext. i loved it and i loved the fact that people recognized me and knew my name, and then i even had donuts named after me and things like that on the campus. is that a double dribble donut? double dribble? never saw it. but the main thing i never forgot is why people recognize me. i was in the gym 24 hours a day. i loved to practice and play. harvey: those were your training wheels, in lansing, in michigan, but when you came out to l.a., jerry buss not only took you under his wing, but you partied with him. - hard. - hard. i mean, i remember the stories, being totally on the outside, but it was epic. we had the best time, and i tell you,

he loved to dance. so we would be at night clubs till 2:00, 3:00 in the morning, and he and i'd be partying, dancing, with all these beautiful ladies. and the one thing he did do for me, which was the thing that i had to do-- first, introduce me to hugh hefner. you went to the playboy mansion a lot. i did. you're not supposed to tell everybody. listen, i had heard it from the outside. - i'm serious. - i did. and i had a ball, and when i met hugh, i almost fainted, right? 'cause, you know, as a kid growing up in lansing, michigan, all you had was that magazine, that "playboy" magazine, so you were like, "look at these women." - it came to life. - exact-- and it did, too. and we had a good time. and hugh was a big laker fan. and he even came to a lot of games. we're not even gonna talk about the forum club, are we? no, no... it's real legendary.

the forum club. there will never be a place like the forum club. it was a place you could eat, dance, meet people, meet ladies-- - you know what jeanie buss said about the forum club, right? - what did she say? if you can't get laid in the forum club, you can't get laid. you can't-- - she said it. - she's right. it was wonderful. it was a part of the l.a. scene and a part of the laker scene. you didn't have to go anywhere. the party was already right there. so, being a celebrity is intoxicating. and one of the things that happened was you tried a talk show. and you said it right. - tried. - yeah. announcer: it's "the magic hour." harvey: that one didn't work so well. - magic: mm-mm. mm-mm. - harvey: why did you do it? was it just that everybody was saying, "my god, you're magic johnson. you can do anything." did you kinda drink the kool-aid? oh, yeah, and overdosed on the kool-aid. - too much sugar in the kool-aid. - yeah. and i tried it and found out really fast

that i wasn't good at it, and it was a lot of hard work. see, that's why i don't have my brother or sisters on this show. 'cause they would be arguing about, "man, magic, why--" i should say earvin. "earvin, why your dressing room bigger than mine?" magic: right away i knew i wasn't good at it and-- harvey: you saw there was a skill to it. magic: man, i mean, incredible skill set you have to have to be a talk-show host. you... embody los angeles in so many ways. why the hell don't you run for mayor someday? - oh, harvey. - i'm serious. oh, man. never crossed your mind? you know how many times people have asked me to do that? - a lot. - run for mayor, run for governor, and i'm like, "no." i like the flexibility of doing... everything." if i'm out on the outside,

in the private sector, i can help them more than being one of them. i saw a picture in your home, - several pictures of you with president obama. - magic: mm-hm. harvey: and i looked at these pictures and i watched him look at you. and i started thinking, who is more impressed with who? 'cause he is really impressed with you. - well, i-- - do you feel that? yes, i feel that, but i'm more impressed with him by far. i wonder what he'd say? well, he loves basketball. and he's so smart and intelligent, and the things that he did for this country in eight years were truly amazing. i'm just blessed. cookie and i are blessed to be able to do the things that we do. and i just want to, before i leave here, make an impact on this world, and-- and that's what all i'm trying to do. you got back into sports in a big way.

cookie was like-- it was really funny when i told her, "well, they want me to run the lakers, you know, on the basketball side." she said, "you might as well. you'd be sitting here cursing at the tv every single time they're on, so now you can really do something about it."

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oh, i know what that is. i'm a huge fan. yes, yes, marvin gaye collection. but it's about that i used to own a radio station. that's the first thing i did, you know, my first business venture. - after basketball. - after basketball. actually when i was involved in basketball, we bought a radio station in colorado. - harvey: you played marvin gaye? - magic: of course, of course. - favorite marvin gaye song? - uh, "what's going on."

i knew you'd say that. i knew you'd say that. you know? so i love motown, like you do. and i grew up on it. - harvey: so you bought a radio station. - magic: yeah. you got a request, just call in. i take all requests. so your m.o. was to eventually really invest in the inner city. yeah, yeah. you had trouble finding investors. exactly. nobody at that time wanted to invest in urban america, inner cities-- - because? - because they thought they couldn't make money, you know, in black america. you know, when i started magic johnson theaters, the first theater came in the top-ten highest grossing theaters in the nation, proved people wrong. you got popcorn shrimp, - chicken... - ( crowd cheering ) ...french fries, and some hot sauce. - you talk about knowing your demo. - that's right. and i love the way you viewed your starbucks investments, that you didn't wanna do an ordinary starbucks.

that's right, that's right, because it wouldn't have worked in my community. - because? - because-- we don't eat scones. we probably don't know what scones are. so i had to take the scones out of my starbucks, put in sweet potato pie, peach cobbler, things that resonated with the urban-- - red velvet cake. - red velvet cake. that's right. and then i had to change the music. we were just talking about motown. because they had elevator music. they had elevator music, so i had to put in motown, and the urban consumer went crazy. it was-- they loved it. harvey: you know, howard schultz talked to shaq about it, and shaq said, "black people don't drink coffee." - coffee. - and so he passed. uh-huh. thanks, shaq. and so the rest is history. we built 125 stores. it was truly amazing. and we made a lot of money. harvey: you also invested in tgi fridays. - magic: mm-hm. - harvey: gotta ask you,

favorite thing on the menu. i would say the barbecued chicken is definitely the favorite thing for me. and we were selling a lot of it, too. chicken and ribs. we were selling out. and you were also able to make a lot of money doing some really good things in the community that was underserved. - exactly. - and that must feel great. it feels wonderful. i shouldn't be getting an award for something that i should be doing and that we all should be doing. we all are from the hood. don't never forget that we are from there. so you invested heavily in urban america, but then you got back into sports in a big way. head of basketball operations for the lakers. you were an owner of the lakers. was this about money or l.a. pride for you? l.a. pride for sure. the franchises i grew up loving, that i care so much about, my wife told-- cookie was like, like it was really funny when i told her, "well, they want me to run the lakers, you know, on the basketball side."

she said, "you might as well. you'd be sitting here cursing at the tv every single time they're on, so now you can really do something about it." and so-- i've never told anybody that, so that was really funny, so i said, "i'm gonna jump in there, honey." so that's what happened. god is so good, and i know that because i'm standing here, a dodger owner. wow. harvey: so why the dodgers? you could've bought another team. why the dodgers? i'm a big baseball fan, grew up a tiger fan, of course detroit tiger fan, so when this opportunity came, it was a great marriage for us to come together, to buy the dodgers. we've been number one in attendance since we've owned the team, the dodgers fans are happy. we've invested in the stadium. so the fan experience is a lot better than it was, and the team is a lot better. i have the best life-- we were leaving, cookie and i were driving from the staples center, and i looked at her and said, "can you imagine two kids from michigan

met on the campus broke," and i looked at her, i said, "isn't this something? we're sitting here, just left the team that i'm the president of. two weeks later the team that we own is about to open up against the giants. mls, the new soccer team, lafc, that we invested in," and i said, "this is-- how are you and i..." it's just crazy. so what a life we have. and we're just blessed, man. i heard there were athletes coming to you asking if elisa was single. yes, it's very true. has she done it? no. that you know of. yeah, exac-- that you know of. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla.

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well, i kind of know what that is. a bible. what's the significance. i grew up in the church, and cookie and i were just blessed to have bishop blake as our bishop west angeles is our church. we go to church every sunday, and it's been a real blessing. wanna take you back. you and cookie go back to msu. what attracted you to her?

cookie was walking one day and just had some jeans on that i just had to find out-- harvey, who is in those jeans? right? and so i met her, and i found out she was different. because i wanted to marry somebody like my mother. and sure enough i got a woman just like my mother. she cares about people. she has a big heart. she's a caretaker so she takes care of me, ej, elisa, and andre, and she never wanted the spotlight. there was a point where you two broke up. tell me if this is right 'cause i read this, that the deal was she couldn't see other guys, but you could date other women. - yeah, that-- - how'd you get that deal? well, i thought i had that deal, but it didn't come out to be true. i saw her. i got a call. "cookie's going out with somebody." i said, "what?" i was speechless and breathless and mad and disappointed and couldn't believe it, all rolled into one.

and that told me i better get on top of my job 'cause the woman that i really care about, i might have had fun with a lot of women, but i didn't care about them. i care about this woman. and so that changed everything for us. it really made me have to pay attention to her, get back on my game with her. let's talk about ej. there were signs that he was growing up different - from what you expected. - magic: right. - he was wearing disney princess dresses in preschool. - yeah. how did you react to that? it was difficult in the beginning because i thought he would play sports and do the things that i did, like his dad, and then to see him in dresses but also wigs. so i said, "okay, is-- this is who he is - or this is some play-- - phase. - ...play dress up? right? - yeah. and so then we got him into sports, and he hated it.

he hated everything he played. right? i said, "okay." so then it came a time toward high school that cookie was like, you know, "you better have this conversation with him. i already know, but you need to know." and then he just came and told me, you know, that he was gay, and i had already seen the signs, and i said, "hey, listen. the only thing i want for you is to be happy. right? and be safe. that's the only thing i want. so i'm good. i'm gonna love you no matter what." - harvey: and he's achieved a lot. - magic: achieved a lot. in a very short time. and he's his own person. we go to events together. this is what's really weird. we come down the line now, "oh, we want ej by himself--" and you're pushed to the side. "ej! ej! ej!" what-- i'm the dad. what's--

it took me a long time to get used to that. but i'm so proud of him. and cookie just-- she nudged me and said, "look it. you two are just alike." now, andre worked for you for a long time. he became a big part of your company. magic: andre worked for me and still we do things together. and actually he negotiated the laker buyout, you know, 'cause i wanted to give him some experience. and then my baby, elisa, that's my heart. - harvey: yeah, i can tell. - magic: yeah. harvey: i heard that there were athletes coming to you asking if elisa was single. ( laughing ) thanks a lot! oh, man. i think this is true. yes, it's very true. - how do you feel about her dating an athlete? - oh, my goodness. thank you, harvey, for putting this out here.

i was so upset. i'm like, "wait a minute, not my baby. no!" has she done it? no. that you know of. yeah, exac-- stay away from my team. stay away from them. because i would hate one of them to break your heart. then i gotta break his back or his neck. i gotta cut you now. you were the target of a racist rant by donald sterling. he didn't want you or other black people going to the clippers games. when you first heard that, what was your reaction? ( sighs ) what was your reaction? with tough food, your dentures may slip and fall. new fixodent ultra-max hold gives you the strongest hold ever to lock your dentures. so now you can eat tough food without worry. fixodent and forget it.

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i want some more what's he doin? but, he can't look at him! it's just not done! please sir. i want some more more? more? more? more? please sir he has asked for... thank you what? well he did say please sir yes he did and, thank you yeah. and thank you he's a wonderful boy (laugh) a delightful boy (all boys): thank you, thank you, thank you.

this is when the article about when i quit the panel on aids, and i was really disappointed in president bush and the job that the council was doing. - the aids council. - aids council. i had joined the aids council, president bush aids council, i went on a tour to boston. i was touring hospice that was supposed to house hiv and aids patients, and people who needed housing. so i go and it's brand new. it just opened, maybe two, three months before i got there. and there was only one patient, only one person staying there. and i was up in arms.

i said, "why isn't this thing full? there's all these people who i just got a chance to speak to, and they need a place to stay." "well, they have to have this certificate." i said, "what kind of sense does that make, that they, what, that gonna have to go apply, and it takes them how much time?" they said, "well, sometimes years." i said, "oh, this is-- this is not for me." i quit right then and there. i cried. so you thought you could do more good on the outside - than working on the inside. - exactly. - and you did. - i did. so i went and formed the magic johnson foundation, and we started raising money for hiv and aids organizations across the country. we started partnering with great hiv and aids organizations all across the country and giving them money that they couldn't raise themself. so that they could take care of people who are living with hiv and aids, buying their drugs for them, on and on and on. we continue to care for people with hiv and aids. we've already given out over $15 million

to different hiv and aids organizations. i want to talk to you about all the work you do in the inner city, all over the country. we are sitting here in this beautiful home in this amazing area, and yet you have this deep connection to your past, to a city, to a portion of the city that isn't yours anymore, but you keep it yours. - yes. - and a lot of people don't do that. i've never forgotten where i came from, and i never will. i was once one of them. i went to be hungry at night. i know what that feels like. i understand, uh, racism. i understand being discriminated against in a different way when i was growing up. so i'ma always go and try to help and give back. to try to help somebody advance their life. help their family. when i think about my journey in life,

it's not gonna be about this. it's not gonna be-- i'm not gonna be remembered for this home or what cookie and i have built here. i'ma be remembered by how many lives i've saved and touched, right? and so, i want-- i've been blessed, and cookie and i have been blessed. but we want to bless other people. you were the target of a racist rant by donald sterling. when you first heard that, what was your reaction? i-i was just blown away. i've been to his house for his annual malibu party two or three times. and he never...

treated me like that, right? and you called me and said, "this is about to come out." i said, "what? i can't believe him." you know, to-- to say that about me and didn't want me at the game, so i said, "hey, okay. you don't want me at the clipper game, i'm fine with that." first of all, i'm not a clipper fan anyway. - i'm a laker." - that's not exactly the point. yes, it isn't. but what bothered me was basically you're saying you don't want any black people at a clipper game or latinos at a clipper game, but you want us to make you money. you want us to be on your team to fill the arena. when we broke the story on tmz, when i spoke to you before we put it up, i remember it was almost like a slow boil. - that you almost had trouble processing it. - yeah. and then as the day went on and the reaction came in, - i felt you got angrier and angrier. - exactly. i did. and then i called doc rivers, his coach, and i called chris paul, i talked to him.

i said, "this is the guy that you're playing for. he really don't want you, but it's almost like a slave mentality." and so i'm glad that commissioner silver did a wonderful job of jumping on top of that. effective immediately, i am banning mr. sterling... for life. i'm glad he had to lose his franchise because it's, you know, you can't treat people that way or say things about people and don't think that nothing won't happen. i'm a person who love people, no matter what their race is, no matter what their gender is. i just love people. and then there's other people in this country just driving racism. it just-- it just makes me upset. and it's too bad that we still have to deal with that. well, i will say, for my part, there are few people in my lifetime i admire more than you, and i am honored

to have been able to sit with you and do this interview. and this is really unique and special, so thank you. - right back at you. - thanks. - you're gonna make me cry up in here. - ( laughter ) >> good evening. welcome to the next revolution. this is the home of positive populism. leases here with a whole hour. will be joined by governor mike huckabee and ainsley ehrhardt. it's july the fourth next week. as we look for to that and look back at a momentous week in politics, it's important to remember deep truths about america and our system of government. that system is under threat today. i studied at oxford university. i don't say that to show how clever i am, but the opposite. they did not teach me much at