station and fox news channel. that's it for today, have a great week and happy independence day and we will see you next fox news howie: less than 72 hours ago two people were killed at the capital-gazette. the attempts to tie this to president trump or national politics are shameful. but these people were practicing local journalism. but all editors take risks because they publish things that upset people. i want to pay tribute to the capital-gazette. they published a blank editorial page saying "we are speechless."

the democrats are planning mott to vote on a trump nominee as political payback. >> they have to use every process and opportunity. they have to stop this until next year. this is time for vengeance for what happened two years ago. >> you are going to see 20 states pass laws banning abortion outright, and because they know that there are now going to be five votes on the supreme court to overturn roe versus wade. >> democrats are say and do anything to malign the president's nomination and stop him from fulfilling his constitutional duty. get ready for the lies and the character assassination and the bourkeing of whoever it turns

out to be. howie: should the republicans be preaching obstruction to the democrats? while the stakes are huge is the democrat receipt particular apocalyptic. protesters hound sarah huckabee sanders and other white house aides. the detining feature. >> the defining feature of a free rub is you can tell someone in the government get out of my restaurant. >> if you are a member of a white nationalist organization we are going to ostracize you. >> publicly shaming conservatives has become the new tactic of the left. this is evolving into a type of domestic terrorism and it's only going to get worse. howie: but the president's critics blame him for the

incivility. i'm howard kurtz and this is "mediabuzz." the media have long been enamored by kennedy because he affirmed gay rights. president trump we have to take our hats off to justice kennedy. we have to pick a great one. we have to pick one who will be there for 40 years, 45 years. howie: joining me, emily jashinsky, sara fischer, and philippe reines. emily, are you struck how quickly so many liberal

commentators insist the democrats block a vote on any nominee. emily: there are plans circulating around the media how they are going to discuss this. there is a different between acknowledging the gravity of the moment to apocalypse. a lot of hollywood liberals rehashing on the idea we are living a handmade's tale. -- a hand maid's tail. howie: they are saying this is payback for what mitch mcconnell did. philippe: that's what mitch mcconnell has decided is the new norm. with kennedy two hot button

issues. that will bring out everyone on both sides of the debate to fight like hell. but it comes on the heels of what mcconnell did with garland. there is two years of pent-up crazy frustration about that. howie: but that's true of people in politics. does that justify some in the media openly saying let's stop this? philippe: what was pulled with garland was a stunt. i agree with chris matthews that everyone should do what they can. there is not a lot procedurally the senate can do. but if someone find themselves pulling a fire alarm. howie: if you look at the main real coverage, the argument was this was happening in 2016. the last year after lame duck

president's term. the democrat argument is we are in another election. it's the mid-term, it's not the last term of the president's term. sara: whether it's the last year of a president's administration or the mid-term, you have no idea whoever it is you put into this seat will vote the way you think they are going to vote. howie: the point is that shouldn't the role of the press be to give a fair hearing to both sides of this argument, but not meant case of commentators take one side to urge political obstruction? >> you want to urge context but you can't necessarily take a position. philippe: to call for a certain

act to be called obstruction, it's not like it came out of a vacuum. it was a ridiculous argument. howie: you mentioned abortion being the biggest emotional issue in play. the "huffington post" had a headline that said the end of rowe and a picture of a coat hanger. emily: frustration is not the right word. that's an understatement what we saw coming from the left. it's a reflection of their take on abortion and the world we live in in the roe versus wade world. and the threat is apocalyptic.

in urban centers it may be. it's not apocalyptic for much of the country. howie: would you acknowledge this is being covered by a media establishment that is almost entirely pro-choice? >> i think it's being covered as shock someone is about to be put on who is probably in their 40s and will probably stay there until their 80s. howie: if a democrat had that idea, would there also be shock? you seem to be buying into the notion that journalists should be shocked under the constitution president trump potentially has this opportunity to name another justice? >> i don't think it's any different than conservative media saying this is mitch mcconnell's right to deny barack obama a pick. howie: roe versus wade has been

the law since 1973. certainly it could lead to a chipping away to access to abortion and abortion rights. but it doesn't necessarily mean they will overturn this ruling that dates back to the 70s. you have no idea, you can take somebody you want to put them in, but let's look at some of the picks the president is putting in, a lot of them are pro-choice. but a lot of them are libertarian -- howie: you mean pro-life. emily: yes. we are seeing a lot of pundits on the left. howie: what we call coat hanger

politics is apocalyptic. is there something so real here. we are having this debate about journalists and politicians gearing up for a battle when we don't know who the president is going to pick. emily: at the same time he has to work with collins and murkowski. he needs three democratic votes. there is an unknown knack tore here that makes the coverage a little presumptive. howie: the "new york times" had a story about a quiet campaign to encourage his colleagues to retire. kennedy was conservative on some issues. but they are mad at him for stepping down. he's turning 82 and they are turning on him. philippe: that's not fair. you never know what's going on

in somebody's personal life, health, family. what's particularly scaring people is there are two donald trump's. one is everything he does that liberals go crazy about. but there is the judicial appointment part where he's being incredibly effective where he's getting nominations up to the hill in terms of the federal bench and scotus. he'll go down as the best republican president on nominations. there will be an absolute wall. there will be no profiles in courage on their vote. howie: this is not trump being some sort of outlier. just to wrap up this point. people don't know the history of the supreme court appoint'ees. i doubt george w. bush when he

named john roberts that john roberts would be signing and legalizing same-sex marriage. so there is no guarantees here about what happens over the years. i'm not seeing much of that. sara: when democrats say we should wait until after the mueller investigation. i think we could use historical context to prove the power of the supreme court as an institution. howie: when we come back we'll talk to terry smith, the contributing columnist for the capital-gazette where five staffers were murdered. this wi-fi is fast.

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wi-fi fast enough for the whole family is simple, easy, awesome. in many cultures, young men would stay with their families until their 40's. howie: there was an emotional outpouring after the capital-gazette killing. >> he was going down our newsroom starting from the front and yeah just continually shooting people. howie: terrance smith writes a column for the capital-gazette and i spoke to him from in front of the newspaper's office. >> sorry for the summertime get-up but it's pretty hot out here. howie: there was a candle right

vigil. you write a guest column for the paper and you are friends with some of those who lost their lives. what does the capital-gazette mean to that community? >> it was visible friday night. hundreds of people turned out, marched down the main street candlelight vigil. bagpipes. it was very emotional and genuine. the connection between the city and its newspaper really palpable. you could feel it. communities and newspapers don't always get along. they have arguments. they have differences. but in this case, there was a palpable concern, grief about the killing. and concern about the staff and a feeling of the importance of the newspaper. it was a remarkable event. howie: when you are a local reporter.

it's not like being in a war zone. you write stories. sometimes those stories tick people off. they get angry, sometimes there are threats. so newsrooms understandably across the country are nervous. >> exactly. and they should be. but this is not new. this has always been the case. in the case of this shooter, this suspect. he had a grievance with the paper about something that went back six years. this got out of control, obviously. but it isn't in its nature all that unusual. it's sort of part of the territory of local news. how report suspect made threats over the years. some of the staffers should cease breathing. this after a story about his harassing and stalking a woman online.

the capital ga gazette -- the capital-gazette met with the police and they have been worried about him for a long time. >> he has been on the radar. but they decided that time five years ago, they decided to arrest him at the time would exacerbate the situation since they didn't have enough to hold him for any length of time. it's very difficult situation. howie: there has been a lot of talk about the environment created by attacks on the press. but it seems to be the case after gunman with a grudge against this newspaper. >> it was. this an action of personal vengeance. was he influenced in any way by the hostile attitude surrounding the press on the national level? i don't know. i can't get inside his head. i can't tell you that.

but i'm sceptical. i think this is a very specific local grudge case. >> you wrote in a guest column that will be appearing. you write, i'm supposed to be detached from the stories i cover, but this one hit my soul. it probably hit the soul of a lot of people in the community. >> it has. i don't say that casually or often. but i was very affected by this and by that vigil friday night. and by the spirit of the community. i think it's quite remarkable. this paper has been around for a long time. its origins go back 300 years. it's been part of the community and part of the fabric. it's a state capital, and it covers the county around it and that sort of thing.

howie: high school sports and things that touch people's lives. >> local is the name of the game. anything local takes precedence. howie: thank you for your touching tribute. thank you for joining us in annapolis. the focus should remain on the five stackers killed while doing their jobs. rob hiaasen, wendi winters, gerald fischman, john mcnamara and rebecca smith. a furor by a comment by a fox news contributor and the president hiring a top aide who used to work at fox.

howie: there was an unfortunate incident on "fox and friends"

including david bossie. things got testy with joel payne who is african-american. when bossie responded, you are out of your captainen figurein mind, he responded i had relative to picked cotton. bossie apologized to joel payne, fox news and its viewers. i happened to see bossie just as he was coming out of the studio. payne told him he never heard of him and didn't know he was black. the monitor in bossie's studio wasn't tuned to "fox and friends." fox hasn't commented on the outcome but sources told the daily beat bossie was suspended for two weeks.

joe shine -- bill shine was a one-time producer for hannity. shine' resigned under pressure last year. he was never accused of sexually harassing anyone. he was accused of failing to act or enabling the come ambulance against bill o'reilly. shine has been a private citizen for a year and he knows the' television business. journalists saying trump has blood on his hands for the annapolis shootings before the police even had a suspect.

howie: before the facts were known about the awful shooting at the capital-gazette, some journalists couldn't help resist blaming trump. donald trump journalists like all americans should be free from the fear of being violently attacked while doing their job. to the families of the victims there are no words to express our sorrow for your loss. howie: i sat down with the hemingways. mollie hemingway and mark hemingway. mark you have worked in newspaper news rooms. you know what you write could make people upset. >> nine years ago a policeman

was shot outside the holocaust museum. and week after they found the address of my publication in the shooter's possession. howie: before we knew who the suspect was or anything about his motivation. journalists and commentators started tweeting and tying president trump to this. and you wrote by the. mollie: it's very difficult when something like this happens. you are desperate for information and speculation runs rampant. i think it's important for journalists to make sure they are not just speculating. it wasn't just bad that they tried to tie president trump to the shooting. but after the news came out showing the shooter hadding a long standing grudge against the publication, many journalists kept saying they thought this was the responsibility of

president trump. howie: rob cox the global editor of reuters. he said this is what happens when president trump calls the press the enemy of the people. he later apologized. radio host, is it surprising someone shoots up a newspaper office? donald trump has blood on his hands. mollie: the president has strong rhetoric against the media and there are people rightfully concerned about that. we don't just with freedom of the press in our laws. we want a strong culture of freedom of the press as well. that doesn't known the press are beyond criticism. criticizing the press is also important. freedom of peach enables everybody to have the right to criticize the press. and there are a lot of reasons to criticize the press in this environment, so it would be nice

to take that to heart. howie: sean hannity drew some flack talking about the incendiary rhetoric. he said it's not connected in anyway and i'm not comparing. you have a political crossfire over what was an unquestionable tragedy. journalists gunned down in their workplace. mark: this is the way for journalists to deflect a bit. donald trump is capitalizing on a preexisting phenomenon. we have decades of public polling shows animus against the press. so while some of the specific criticism against the press might be out of bounds. broadly speaking it's hard to say the media haven't earned a lot of distaste from the american people.

howie: too many journalists on all sides whether it's after gabby giffords, saying the shooter was influenced by the climate. poll report actions of the shooter are his actions. but you can have climates created but incivility and rhetoric. i think it's okay to have people encourage others to have good ways of speak being their disagreement with others. when you look back to last june, it's true the man who shot up the republican baseball field was motivated by his political views. that story moved out of the news extremely quickly. you want to see more uniformity in the way the media approaches these things. howie: mark, i hate to see all

the political stuff overshah dove these five victims. -- overshadow these five victims. mark: this is a moment when we can focus on the valuable contributions journalists are making. particularly on a local level. this is a good moment to be talking about that. instead we are distracted by larger political issues that aren't relevant. howie: do you ever try your debates at home? are you sparring partners? here is a tweet. you said to your husband. i'm so glad we got married. he said yeah. my super romantic husband. mark: i am capable of more granr

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howie: the red hen restaurant in virginia booted sarah huckabee sanders because she works for the president. and kirstjen nielsen was booted from another restaurant. >> people are seeking asylum in the united states. shame shame shame shame shame. howie: it was equally stunning when democratic congresswoman maxine waters encouraged

harassment of trump administration members. >> they are not going to be table to turn anywhere. people are going to turn on them. they are going to protest and absolutely harass them. howie: the president fired back calling waters a low i.q. individual. >> if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the wrap out of them. like to punch them in the face, i'll tell you. howie: i was stunned by the vitriol by anti-trump commentators saying yeah, she deserved it. emily: there was a debate over whether there the was the right thing for the red hen to do. the argument that emerged was

that you can justify these personal attacks based on a political belief you think goes beyond the pale. i think that's a dangerous place to be. if you sat down with people at tables instead of kicking them out, we would be able to have a polite conversation. philippe: i wouldn't appreciate it. but i wouldn't be surprised by the. and i don't think would say it's uncivil. this is not about civility. if it's about civility donald trump loses that argument. last week was i think the three-year anniversary since he emerged. he has done more than anyone to erode the discourse in america. i think it's about something else. i think it's about accountability and normalizing. if you look at who was picked

whether it was nielsen, sanders, miller. these people have been at the center of the immigration debate. fit was the surgeon general -- howie: you are justifying it but even the democratic leadership said maxine waters went too far when she said harass them. you don't like the policies, i get it. philippe: you and i talk a lot. i spend a lot of time on stage and on camera with people i don't agree with. but i have had uncivil moments. i was on with sebastian gorka and i was uncivil and it was intentional because i do not think someone like that should be comfortable in his role in what is happening in america. i was not going to be part of normalizing that. howie: it's all become so

tribal. there is a different standard for the trump administration because some critics on the left think it's a horrible administration. if these tactics were used against barack obama aides, you would see a flip. some of the criticizing it would justify it and people saying it's not so bad would be outraged. >> the point you made earlier. how far are you taking it. when you go on television and you call for harassment and people from your own party say you have gone over the line. that's when you can tell you may have gone into dangerous waters here. howie: i write in my book "media madness" about the different standard for donald trump. do you see the double standard saying he's such a terrible,

erratic president that people can't observe the normal rules of decorum. emily: it's the argument the feminists make. the rules are suspended because the person is so horrible. with the tea party the left was suddenly concerned about civility. there is a lot of concern on the left and in the mainstream media when the tea party was doing it. howie: i understand pushing it back and saying the president doesn't deserve decorum. but it seems to me then he almost baits people to use the same tactics and that leads to something that i think is corrosive for society. philippe: it's absolutely corrosive and terrible. but democrats tbieght one land behind their back or fighting fire with fire, it's naive to

say we are better than that. i think we are better than that. but it's more important to beat them then be better than just some pie in the sky singing we are the world. look at maxine waters. the president didn't call her low i.q. the first time after that clip. >> he has been calling for her impeachment. >> that's legitimate. she didn't say he's the orange blob. >> it's coming from both directions. >> if the president were to say we need to tone this down, it would take a lot. do you think donald trump is not going to attack the media because of what happened. howie: that's a separate argument. critics jumped on sar sarah huce sanders for tweeting about this. >> some say she broke the rules by tweeting with her

professional government account. she tweeted about it. there are some people saying she shouldn't have tweet bit at all. she wasn't attacking the restaurant necessarily. howie: we'll agree to disagree because we are trying to be civil. after the break, frank luntz is here.

howie: the media up in arms over the harassment of trump aide. let's bring in frank luntz. you heard the last segment. it got pretty heated on and off the set whether it's cool to harass trump aides in restaurants and stores. whether it's a response to

donald trump's sometimes aggressive language. what's your view and how does it play out in public opinion. frank: i live in focus groups. all i hear is people who can't wait to get their point told and don't care about listening. it's all one-sided. it's not what you can teach me. it's what i want you to know and i demand that you know it. the shooting and killing of these journalists. it's going to get worse unless someone stand up and says enough is enough. you have a couple of democrats that are beyond this and said i'm not going to play this game. mitch landrieu of louisiana, senator michael bennett of colorado. these are democrats who said i'm not going to do that anymore. i look at ben sasse on the

republican side. good politicians. howie: how much do the media inflame this, exacerbate this in the search for rates and circulation. what sells on the right and the left to also be angry and indulge into debate the politics of rage. frank: look at the headlines online. they are awful. everyone is always slamming or damning. the language they use in the headlines to get people to click on it is causing this. you read the headlines on foxnews.com. it will be frank luntz and kurtz go to blows over the media. howie: is it increasing liang

are you or unscuffle debate as you pointed to some politicians. if you try to be polite. people are going to tune out? frank: the media puts on people with the most of extreme language. you put on conflict was conflict sells. you succeed. we are in a conflict that jeopardizes democracy as we know it. you hold everybody accountable. howie: we try to do that in a civil way. i think of it in the spirit of the late charles krauthammer who took his shots and was what conservative but did it in a civil way. it sounds like you are resigned to the tone and tenor and sometimes consequences of this angry country. frank * i'm not resigned.

i'm screaming about it. i hope the next leader of the republican party in the house will reach across the house and shake hand with his or her minority leader and say enough is enough. if we continue to sink down this rabbit hole, there will be no climbing out. howie: you are involved in a policy called civility. train * i a -- frank i agreed to do it because i realized how bad it was out there. the level of vitriol is so high, we are look for language. we are testing speeches from the last 60 years. the best politicians. you know who is number one? bobby kennedy. remember barbara jordan's speech? ronald reagan's speech in 1964. we are finding the best language and there is word and people who

can bring us together. the question is, are we going to listen to them. howie: thank you very much for coming in. a 28-year-old socialist who beat a high-ranking democrat is front page news in the "new york

howie: the need world went highway when joe crowley was clobbered by alexandria ocasio-cortez. >> how are you feeling? can you put it into words? >> nope. i cannot put this into words. howie: whatever the implications of this unknown winning the

race, the media were blind side. the times never ran a separate story on alexandria ocasio-cortez. some omr. crowley got creamed. so much for the gray lady and other outlets knowing who to take seriously. it was like missing donald trump's victory in 2016. i'm howard kurtz. come at me on facebook @howardkurtz. keep itself if you can. i post a lot of original content and videos on facebook. it's about a fascinating conversation today about passion and politics on both sides. i am trying to be a positive

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