todd got bit in his face. he's swollen. we're told he will be just fine. paula calls todd her hero. we definitely agree. glad you spent the evening with us. good night from washington. i'm shana breen. >> good evening. welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." progressives have already been angry. indignation is their signature emotion, but a year and a half into the trump administration the rage has consumed them. the left is spinning completely out of control. just tuesday weeks ago only a few fringe figures called formo abolishing i.c.e. >> i.c.e. has strayed so far from>> its mission. it's supposed to boutter to keep americans safe, but what it's turned into is frankly a terrorist organization of its own. >>er we need to rebuild our immigration system from top to

bottom.. >> i.c.e. is a group of incompetents. they're focused more on toddlers than terrorists. >> get rid of it, start over, reimagine it, and build something that works. >> kirsten gillibrand and with them. she's the soon-to-be congresswoman from new york's 14th strict. he's a self-identified democratic socialist. whatti does that mean exactly? well, last week the new york o democrats socialists of america issued a statement of their beliefs. quote, abolish profit, abolish prisons, abolish cash bail,

abolish borders. abolish prisons in a countries of thousands of murderers every year? what would that look like? you'd be long gone, a refugee from our own country. something like that happened in venezuela. there are people in our country working to make it happen here. suddenly some of them are prominent in the democratic party. this is getting scary. if you pay attention, it will scare you. you think our so-called intellectual leaders would be working to moderate rhetoric like this, and guide it in a more responsible direction, but they're not. instead they're adding to the cycle of extremism. r consider the reaction to the retirement of justice anthony kennedy. left wing professor at prominent schools are calling for democrats to expand the number of seatse on the supreme court and pack it with liberals for a permanent majority. ian samuel wrote the supreme court with 10 liberals and only five conservatives would actually be, quote, incredibly

generous to the republicans. fordham law professor jed sugarman agreed with that. if that happened, the court's legitimacy woulded evaporate overnight. they don't care. they would have power forever, and that's their only goal. of course republicans could pack the supreme court right now. tonight they have the power. everyone knows they won't do that. only the left is embracing extremism right now. progressive mobs cheer them on. sarah sanders is said to have deserve a life sentence of harassment from the left for the crime of working for donald trump. watch. >> sara huckabee has lied to the press, after inciting against the press. these people should be made uncomfortable. i think that's a life sentence frankly. >> she has no right to live a normal lifer: because she disagrees with me. well, there's nothing liberal about language like that. it is pure authoritarianism.

the old democratic party has vanished. bill clinton could not get elected by today's democratic party. he can't appear at democratic fundraising events or campaign rally because they might scream at him too. in the coming months we claim to bring you reporting on what the democratic party is fast becoming. nobody else is going to do that. the other channels want to hide the details. they don't wantt to squar scareu before election day.is timmy bruce joins us tonight. if you think of the famous democratic figures patrick monihan, bill clinton, no chance they would be taken seriously as candidates now so dramatically has the party changed. why is this never noted in public. >> what's interesting,ea leadership is so far off from the base itself. democrats may not even realize how serious this. i'll give you one example.

in a new poll, when asked whether or not people wanted i.c.e. to be abolished 78% of republicans said no. 59% of democrats said no. 75% of independents. 6 out of every 10 democrats also said no. the majority also felt that there was not enough border security as well. so they seem to be abandoning their own base. i think that's because they have really the veneer, just donald trump's existence, his success, has stripped the veneer off democratic leadership. republicans are seeing this as well. republicans have been surprised with the abandonment of the repeal and replacement of obamacare, but we've got an establishment that in a way seems to be pretending the understand the ideologies of the left and right, but all along only concerned about the machie itself. now donald trump, who's honestly working -- working for real progress on all of the issues

has upset everyone across the spectrum, but particularly the left. i think that this is a wake-up call for democrats and for liberals who have assumed that someone like dianne feinstein was serious, or that these other individuals knew what they were talking w about, weren't lying o them, and now maybe they need te consider they have been. >> so i guess i can't get past the fact that so much of this is being unreported. here you have the new democratic nominee in the 14th congressional in new york, on every sunday show, and describes her herself as a democratic socialist. new york just issued a statement saying no borders, no profit, no prisons. nobody asks her about that. do you agree with this? what do you think of this? are you against borders, profits and prisons? shouldn't democrats be asked to account for that? they never are.

why? >> in an interview she said i'm not here to push an ideology. why is she running? isn't she running with an agenda. it's not covereder in some waysi think, because it's frightening even to the liberal mouthpieces for the democratic party now. >> absolutely correct. >> they t want to think she cane controlled, they think, when this young woman gets up there. what it's a signal of clearly is a complete lack of leadership. there's no continuum, no control. because they're wanting -- they've been focusing on hating donald trump, and haven't been thinking about policy, who's coming up, how do we convince people about what's right, what the right policies are. now at this point, even barack obama, he's coming back, but all of the street action you're seeing, the organizing, that's his bailey wick. this is barack obama. he's never wanted to deal with policy. >> chuck schumer should be

terrified. >> he should. thank you, tucker. >> ricky jones chairs a department at the university of louisville. thanks for coming on. >> no problem, tucker. thank you for inviting me. >> absolutely. it's our pleasure as always. i want to lay down markers so we acknowledge that things are happening real fast. i'll refer to a piece you just wrote last week in the louisville "courier-journal"? in kentucky in which you described white americans as moralor monsters. do you want to live in a world where it's okay for university professor to describe groups of people on the basis of their race, as moral monsters? is that the country that you wantns to live in? >> well, i think the framing of question is off. i would encourage people to read the piece. it's only an 800-word piece. >> i would too. >> takes five to seven minutes. i didn't call white people moral

monsters. that was the conclusion of the legendary writer jameswr baldwi. i'm sure some of your viewers are familiar with james baldwin. that was his view after many years in america. i posed the question as to whether baldwin was right, we play the behavior along the lines of race into historical context. so do i want to live in a world -- >> okay. so i would encourage our viewers also, and that's one of the reasons i wanted you to come on, so people know what's happening out there beyond their own world, and people like you are writing things like this. i'm quoting, maybe baldwin was right when he said we're dealing with moral monsters, i.e. white people. how would you feel about a piech that described black people as moral monsters? you'd call that racist, wouldn't you? you're changing the argument. again, i would encourage your viewers to read the entire piece. >> how about is it okay to even suggest -- is it okay to suggest

a group of people on the basis of their race are moral monsters? do you think that a person's race affects his moral standing, one race is better than another? tell me what you think. >> what i think is very important is if t people, again, read the piece and look at the world in which we live, and many of the things we've seen from the enslavement of the people in unthe country to the civil war o reconstruction to disproportionate incarceration, to a misunderstanding of immigration, and empeople in country outside the white race havet. opinions that aren't positive about their treatment right now. >> sure. here's the quote from you. why are so many white americans are so brutally mean and inhumane? if ita wrote the sentence, why e so many black americans so brutally mean and inhumane, which i would never write, how would you respond to that? wouldn't you say you're a racist? >> i would read the piece.

i think, unfortunately, as i talked to your producer this afternoon, i mean being pugnacious with people like you and i when we don't know one another, we're both americans, it makes for good television, but -- >> look, i'm quoting your piece. hold on. is this quote incorrect -- >> no. you're quoting -- >> are these your words? why are so many americans -- i'm being patient with you. >> i'm going to be patient with you, let you ask and answer the questions if you like to, but we'll run out of time because television is certainly a short platform. >> why are so many white americans -- you've said that five times. why don't you answer my question, which is would it be okay for me to write the sentence "why are black americans so brutally mean and insensitive?" answer thed, please

question. >> i'm answering the question. the first thing i would not do, i would not limit myself in a m myopic way to one sentence of a piece. i would endeavor to read the entire piece, which you are i intelligent enough to do it's 800 words. thisp- isn't op-ed. can you account for one sentence that piece? can you just answer my question, if i wrote an 800-word piece, in which i said why are black people so awful and morally deficient, what would you think of that? >> iou would not think you werea racist, but i would think that you were racially insensitive, if you would take a piece and not look at the genesis of that piece and place it into literary and historic context. >> do you think there's something wrong with attacking people on the basis of their race, so common on left now? don't you see yourself part of the problem? >> no, no.

>> you don't see that? >> that's not what the piece does. >> yes, it does that. >> many white brothers and sisters may not be aware of what they're doing, but when people bring the situation to them -- >> uh-huh. >> -- they respond in an indignant way, that raises the question of immorality and -- >> i'm trying to get a straight answer out of you. my next question, how much do you make at university of wherever? >> i'm sure i don't make nearly as much as you do with the race baiting -- i would trade my salary with yours. >> i would never say something about this. >> you>> do it every day, but yu do it in a more cursory way which doesn't really help the discussion, you know. >> cursory? thanks, professor. good to see you. all right. well, not everybody on the left is on board with where the left

is going. are afraid of where the left is going. if you just watched the last segment, you ought to be afraid. our next guest spent years as a liberal. he's now concerned by what the left has become. he recently released a new video encouraging other progressives to walk away from the movement. he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on you. >> thank you. >> you were a liberal for a long time, you voted for hillary clinton. >> yes. >> what was. the pivot point for you when you decided these people don't represent me, and i want something different. >> well, before the election, i was already starting to feel uncomfortable with where we were headed in terms of identity politics and p.c. culture. iy became a liberal because i'm against racism, sexism, discrimination because of sexual orientation, but to be on the left now means that you basically have to be hostile toward white people, toward men, you have to find -- i started

finding cultural shifts i was uncomfortable with. a friend pointed out how clearly the media was in the donald trump campaign, how they would isolate moments from his behavior, and make it appear he was a racist or bigot. i didn't realize this. i thought that cnn told the truth. i thought msnbc told the truth, that rachel maddow told the truth. this was mind blowing to me. i went on a quest to find out what other things were not honest about, which turned out to be a lot. i started talking about this, and i was met with hostility and contempt. i decided i was going to write down about the definitive manifesto about everything that's wrong with the democratic party, rip the band-aid, and

stick it out there. i wanted to create a campaign, because other people were feeling the same way. i've created a testimonial campaign utilizing video and written v testimonials. this is happening right now on facebook called #walkawaycampaign. people are leaving the left, talking about why they're walking away in testimonials. what's better away, people on the right are participating too. i've given a voice back to the silent majority, because we're cutting out the media, who's controlled the narrative of what it means to be a conservative, saying it's being a racist and bigot. >> good for you, brandon. a lot of decent liberals out there are not represented by the lunacy, j the hatred that you jt witnessed in the previous segment. i support that. >> thank you very much, tucker. > a member of congress says t thinks the department of justice may be spying on him.

he tellsls us why after break.

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>> great to be with you, tucker. anytime. >> the last year and a half has taught us that nothing is impossible. i'm open-minded about anything. it's a heavy charge. why do you think it's 42? >> i've been told by a number of different people in a position to know that you're being watched, you're being listened to. you know, you just brush it of. you can't let those kind things control your life. and then i did a 48-page expose on mueller, and it came home as i prepared that, my, gosh, this is this -- their mode of they do., this is what then when you see they've destroyed kurt weldon's political career two weeks before his election, raiding an office, and doing nothing with it but now they're buying his name back up years and years later because i understand he's about to come out with a book to disclose what all the manipulations were.

they know how to ruin people's lives. i've not mentioned this before,h but we had a private conversation with some of the people in our intelligence after we found all about the -- >> what does it mean by spying? would that by monitoring your email, phone calls, your office? what did they say? >> all of the above. i'm told by one of our folks that they know everybody that walks through your office door before they get to the door. >> that being whom? >> that being the u.s -- well, fbi intelligence. i didn't ask for a they, but i've had people in those departments tell me they're watching, listening, for whatever you may be -- >> look, again, i'm totally open-minded, don't want to believe it, because it seems that would precipitate a constitutional congress. >> right. >> you're a member of congressts elected. these are bureaucrats unelected.

i serve in an oversight role over them. if they're spying on you, then i mean the whole system falls apart, or has fallen apart. >> how about if they're spying on a presidential candidate or a president after he's been elected. those kind of things it turns out were going on. i started to mention i told a private group of our intelligence folks either you get us the names of those people who unmasked all of those people that should never have been unmasked. i'm going to makeee it my life's worth to get rid of this program that allows you to do it. i'm not saying this is why, but very quickly they did come out with the names. wele knew susan rice, folks like that. >> right. we're better for knowing those names. >>ke can't live in fear. they're not going to escape me. we'll keep t moving on. >> protests against i.c.e. are sweeping the country. what's the situation at the

border itself? we'll speak with a famous journal who's spent a lot of time there.

>> there was a wave of immigration protests across the country over the weekend. activists demanded an end to family separation, which the trump administration has already ordered. others are protesting an end to i.c.e. w itself. while they protest what's

happening at the border? an author and journalist joins us. his brand-new book out is called "bleebleep show." >> here's a coyote, a smuggler. he's got two women on the back of his jet ski. yes, they're using jet skis now. one woman is pregnant. the coyote tries dropping them on our shore until he sees us. what did he say to me? i'm costing him money? good, because he's costing me money. he's costing you money. >> the only journalist probably in the world to catch a pregnant migrant on a jet ski joins us tonight. charlie, amazing. we've spent about $800 billion

in homeland security since 9/11. is that obvious when you visit the border? >> no. look, it's overrun. i don't know what the solution is because two years ago we had the situation. four years ago we had the situation. the reason it ramped up was central americans four years ago was when obama was talking about deferred deportation for more than just daca people, and the word did get to central america, and i know because i was there talking to them. we're just going around and around, arguing on the left, arguing on the right, and no real solutions, brother. >> meanwhile the message is really clear to people who want to come here for a bunch of different reasons, that they can. where's all the money? i mean, $800 billion. a lot of money. to harden our borders, we keep hearing from politicians, we're going to secure the border. that's not even close to true, correct? >> that's just talking points. what does that mean, right?

we have made it harder, right? when i crossed the border in 2000, cost me about a grand, right? now it's costing $6,000, $9,000. in this country, we have 9% or 10% of all people born in mexico live here. the central americans are coming here for a better life. you can't blame them. control of the border sovereignty, it's not a racist issue to say you want control. yet there's never a plan, nothing holistic going on. just soundbites every two years. we got to get it together and get it under control. >> you are saying that somebody's getting richer. it's the coyotes. >> they're getting very rich. look, i mean, when i came, we walked three days through the deserts so not to be caught. now you're dumped off on a jet ski. also, if you're going to come in, crossing a body of water, rent the inner tube for five bucks, don't swim rio, because

they're inner tube concessionsdi at the border. i'm not kidding you. that's a fact. >> unbelievable. >> i'm not kidding. >> charlie leduff, great to see you. president trump's travel ban on several countries was upheld by the supreme court last week. we have a professor at the university of detroit school of law and say. how is it white supremacy, that ban? >>y, it's basically the continuation of trump's rhetoric, but comes through the history of white supremacist immigration law we've had since the founding of this country. you had to be white in order to be naturalized from 1790 until 1952. that was the law for the vast majority of they. history of ths country. trump is trying to go back to

that. >> what year where you born? >> what does that matter? >> it matters, because i bet you probably weren't born too much before 1965. and since then we've had about 90% of all immigrants into this country have been nonwhite. now, that may be a lot of things. that's not white supremacy. that's over 50 years are of 90% ofnt the immigrants are nonwhit. it's not white supremacy. it's anything but that, right? >> trump is trying to stop that, right?t? what trump is trying to do is stop the brownfication of america. that's what he ran on, anxiety of many white americans that this country is becoming more diverse. holdd on. okay. so before you make generalizations based on race, which in itself is racist, let me ask you what percentage whit- >> no, it's not. >> a a little less than 10% whie

right now, our immigration breakdown. what percentage would trump like to get it to that you're barking about. >> that's not the point. >> it's very much the point. you accused him of white supremacy. why don't you be specific and explain to me what that would look like. what percentage white is he trying to get our immigration numbers to? >> he told us what it would look like, he called black countries s-hole countries. and -- >> no. you were a demagogue -- no, he didn't. he said specifically, two specific countries, not all black countries. >> i didn't say all black countries. i said the countries that he called s-hole countries were black countries. then he said why can't we have

more people from norway? we don't need him to be explicit, right? it's clear how he's talking. when he tells us he wants to ban all muslims, just because he writes an executive order that seems facially neutral doesn't mean that he's not actually exercising that intent. >> wait. okay. islam is a race now, is that what you're saying? >> no. >> i don't understand what you're saying. why are africans moving here in hugege numbers? >> the kkk was white supremacist, but hated catholics and juice. white supremacy takes on many roles. >> the kkk? hold on. just answer one question before youu make another stupid generalization. specific question. >> sure, go ahead. >> if this is a white

supremacistth country a white supremacist leader, a white supremacist supreme court -- >> no. i didn't say we have a whits court. >> why would africans want to move to a country run by whits? >> this country still has a lot toto offer. >> why would they want to move here if it's a whits government? honestly. >> t despite the policies of trump, this country is a greatp country to move to. trump is trying to reverse that. he's blaming nonwhites for the problems of poor white americans. that's how he won, right? we know he played on -- he told us he played on these things. he told us he played on these things. you're giving him more credit thanan he deserves.

you're trying to put words in his mouth that he didn't even say. that's what i'm talking about. >> i'm going to give you one more chance. it's so frustrating. to talk to someone as dumb as you. let me try to pinpoint what you're saying. what percentage of -- >> you're purposely doing that. >> i'm trying to get to truth. stop. they're actually going crazy. you want to have say reasonable conversation? and you can't. white supremacy. it's too frustrating. up next, a pair of transgender athletes d dominated the girls high school track championship in connecticut. do biological boys have an unfair advantage? what do girls think of it? it's an interesting and complicated topic. we'll break it down next.

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>> connecticut recently held its girls high school track champions in a pair of biological males dominated the rest of the field. kerryon miller won the 100-meter and0 200-meter event, while andreia urwood second took in the 100 meters. their victory is good, but upsetting to many parents saying the two have an unfair advantage over biologically female competitors. athletes can compete in whatever gender they identify as even if they'vee undergone no hormone therapy. i guess the question is, is there unfairness this? you've acknowledged, i think in a reasonable way, that this does give biological men competing as women as transgender athletes some advantage. is that fair to the biological

girls they're competing against? >> it's absolutely true, that biological men have advantages over biological women. i think for adult competitive sports it's important to separate those two groups. in high school sports, things are a little different. high school. sports, we're not talking about adults. it's more about participation. still i would personally draw a line at winning state titles. if i were making the rules i would allow them to participate in the state meet, but not win medals. >> huh. that's interesting. that's not -- that seems like a fairer accommodation than what's going on in connecticut. what do you think of the law there that says you can compete as the gender you identify with, even if you haven't received hormones or had physical changes whatsoever? >> well, for most people it's

going to be pretty recently. i mean, for yourself, for instance, you're a 27-minute 5k runner as i understand, so your progeny probably won't a state titles in the girls championship. >> probably not. >> for fairly talent athletes, there should be a cap put on, and i wouldte do it at the state level. i would allow them to participate, but not win at the state level. >> what would it be worth having an entirely separate category? at some point you bump up against basic questions why would you have, in a moment where we're not acknowledging that there are just two sexes, why would you have sporting events segregated by sex in the first place? > well, we have sports segregated by sex in the first place so women have a chance to win things. i think that's an important

thing to preserve. and so, as i say, at an adult competitive level we want to do it differently than we do for high school. i think allowing participation in high school, inclusion in high school, is important, but as i say i would draw a line, and those talented transgender athletes who are biologically male i don't think they should be winning state titles without going on hormones.g once you're on hormones, then the playing field changes. >> do you think in this moment -- let's be totally real. we're not allowed to draw lines anywhere. i mean, how long would it be before the aclu sued over that, what they would call a separate but equal policy, preventing transgender athletes from getting trophies? i mean, that wouldn't stand for 24 hours, would it? >> there are 17 states and the district of columbia that have the same rules as connecticut does. there are other states in the

country that have all kinds of different rules. texas, for instance, requires transgender athletes to compete based on their birth certificate. so there are a whole series of rules. the aclu get involved with any of these other states. >> what about the olympics? what should the olympics do? >> well, the olympics -- i was part of the group that put in the rulesn in 2016 -- went to a hormone-based separator between male and female athletes. i think that's an appropriate policy. >> that still gives the advantage to biological men, on average, over biological women, does it not? >> there are both advantages and disadvantages. hormone therapy makes a lot difference, but it doesn't change height. so on average transgender women,

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>> there were 19 hijackers on 9/11, and of those 1915 came from saudi, arabia. ever since the day of those attacks the family members of some victims have been pursuingm financial compensation from the government of saudi arabia, but one of the biggest obstacles to that compensation was fbi director and now special prosecutor robert mueller. it's an important but not often told story we want to bring you tonight. kathy owens lost her husband on 9/11. kathy and her attorney joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. >> thank you. >> first to you, kathy. tell us how you believe robert mueller has stood in the way of receiving compensation from the saudi government. >> well, ever since 9/11, almost immediately after, the

department of justice, which was at that time -- he was the fbi director -- they've covered up and stifled the investigation into who was responsible for supporting the hijackers. >> why would they do that, do you think? >> you know, i think there's probably a variety of reasons. maybe, you know, everyone has a different reason. they all came together in a pocket storm for a cover-up. i won't know until we see all of the documents that are still being unnecessarily classified. >> so, jim, the suspicion that the saudi government played some role in the attacks is longstanding. >> yeah. >> i don't want to relitigate it here, but i'm trying to get to numbenub of mueller's involvemen this. what role did he play? >> president bush's focus was on iraq and saddam hussein, and he

didn't want to hear about saudi arabia's role. saudi arabia was an ally in the war, a supporter, and ther, president was good friends with the saudi ambassador, who, by the way, he and his wife, gave $25,000 to one of the government agents helping the two terrorists. so, you know, there's a huge body of evidence that saudi government officials prepared for the hijackers' arrival, helpeded them, got them money, english lessons, safe houses, and apartments, and provided the aid without which it would have been impossible, according to the fbi agents who were working the case, for the terrorists to succeed. and president bush, and director mueller, instead of furthering the effort to find the whole

story, quashed it. interrogations were shut down. documents have been kept secret. that was continued by president obama, and by then director comey. in president obama's case, largely to accommodate his desire to see the iran nuclear deal pass. >> that's right. >> and the reason we are here, and our plea, the family's plea to president trump, is to declassify the documents. there is no reason for thousands of documents that reveal both the saudi role and our own government's cover-up for 17 years to be kept secret. >> well, on that i agree with you. right, and in the darkness all kinds of theories flower. it best to know. i agree with you completely. i wish you both success in that. kathy, you too. thank you for joining, both of

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>> tucker: brown versus board of education was decided 64 years ago and decided correctly, by the way. but amazingly some on the left still believe in forced segregation. new york city's little red schoolhouse which koshs45,000 a year officials have been separating students by race, believe it or not. all nonwhite 7th and 8th graders placed in the same home room. they were planning ang expansion to the sixth grade. we contacted the school and asked if an official would like to explain why they're committed to 1890 style segregation. they not only declined but informed us that the segregation scheme had been cancelled as well. we're grateful it was.

the tip of the iceberg on the left which has gone crazy. we'll keep you pointed on. that's it for us. stay tuned every night 8:00. have a great weekend -- great evening. >> tucker, things the weekend for you? it's not for me. >> tucker: it's only monday! i know. [laughing] sorry. >> i have a show on the weekend. it's never the weekend for me. >> tucker: exactly. >> thank you so much. welcome to hannity, i'm janine in for sean. in less than one week from tonight, president trump will announce his pick to fill the supreme court vacancy left by justice anthony kennedy. early this morning, the president met with four potential candidates and plans to pete with at least two more later this week. meanwhile, during an interview with our own maria bartoromo, president trump weighed i