>> sandra: that is our story. enjoy your holiday everybody. have a wonderful fourth of july. tucker carlson, up next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson. it was supposed to be trumps katrina, remember that? it was a full month of angry protest, hysterical columns. tricking media personalities. all designed to turn voters against the president, decisively and permanently. immigration policies coming out of the white house made trump look like hitler. they told you again, and again on the other channels. it was a month of nonstop drama. progressive mobs threatening administrations. what was the effect of all this? politically.

we know have a conclusive answer to that. in the first week of june, right before all this began, the president's approval rating, the average was 42%. his disapproval rating, 54%. after a full month of all the cable news, calling him hitler. trumps up to approval rating rose to 43%. he one of the highest of his presidency. his disapproval dropped to 50%. those over the beginning of the month. here's the remarkable part. the harvard harris folder, his approving rows with hispanic voters. keep in mind, this was the exact same. with everyone with a masters degree was telling you that trump hates hispanics. his number among heston hispanics voters, it rose ten points. amazing could it be that the cable news dummies don't really understand the country they pretend to report on? could it be that hispanic americans are pretty much like

every other american. normal people who love their country and know that illegal immigration hurts all of us. it looks that way. that is bad news for democrats who are betting in the campaign of hysteria. it hasn't worked. will they figure that out? may become or maybe not. they have grown so confident that trump is finished over, don. there are no longer hide what they really think pair they have pulled off the mask. calls to halt family separation. that turned into demands two and. to abolish ice. to abolish prisons. the left believes that voters are so angry at trump that they want to abolish the country that elected him. they want to replace it with an entirely new country where boaters, business, with the law itself all no longer exist. they are betting that most voters hate him so much that they have come to hate america too. that is their gamble. tonight, it is not paying off.

he is the ceo she joins us. thank you for coming on. >> thank you tucker. >> tucker: this strikes me as an amazing number. after this last month that we have had. people were literally comparing trump to adolf hitler himself. because of his immigration policy. his number goes up among the 10% with hispanic voters. how do you explain that? >> what i love about data, it removes the bias that comes with opinion. i don't care if you are on the left or the right, the data removes the emotion. i have stated over and over again here in this network and many others, we are not a single minded community or a single issued community. we do care about jobs and the economy. as hispanic americans, over and over data has shown us that for ours, we are running it every

month on the state and the voice of the people of this nation. we keep seeing the same trend over and over again. we will continue to hit the immigration pinata as i left to call it as an issue, it is not the one that is really driving the priority of hispanic americans. working hard for the american . also moving by jobs in the economy what do you make of the assumption. i think it is shared by pretty much every cable news anchor. most democratic politicians. if you have a hispanic last name, you are for illegal immigration. that strikes me as a pretty patronizing at best. at best. >> it definitely is a patronizing assumption. while many of us who like to be hispanic, we may know someone who is caught in the middle of a broken immigration system. or than 60% of hispanic americans are actually u.s.-born. that is a fact that many people overlook. we want to work hard, we want to do things the right way.

most of the small business owners happen to be hispanic, we need to go back to the core of the priority issues. not continue to see the rhetoric of one single issue that yes, needs fixing, it is not the top one. once again, we need to see this in elections. this is the thing that will be rattled around, it will not work. that is why president trump instead of the positive that he is getting peer that is what the data showing. >> tucker: it is though. i can't say this enough. it is the opposite of what i think every person i know in washington would have predicted a month ago. after all this drama we have the single most intense month politically i've ever seen. in a life lived in washington. that he would be mower popular. could he focus on that point. what he think that is about.

we actually run some data as recent as a few hours before the show. we look at 200 data data points. this is with our big data analytics platform. again, jobs and the economy is what is driving the positivity towards president trump. immigration is ranked as issue number five. so, there is a lot of noise around that. people that care about that issue feels like that is the only issue. however, we are not a single minded issue voter block, or community. it is diminishing the sophistication of this audience. the fact that we do care about growth, prosperity and achieving that american dream. people like me, i am an immigrant myself. i come here to work so hard. that is what we want to achieve. not just for us, for all americans. >> tucker: the assumptions of the country, they diminish the

people. absolutely right. thank you so much. super interesting. >> thank you tucker. >> tucker: it is pretty obvious there is a crisis on our southern border. tens of thousands people are crossing illegally or arising to demand asylum. who is to blame for that crisis? again and again we have heard that we american citizens are to blame. are we? he is an editor at city journal, the author of the upcoming book the diversity solution. she joins us tonight. heather, this is one of those assumptions that i think most people on the other side, the open border said, they take for granted. if there is a crisis on the border, it is the fault of american citizens. is it? >> no, it is the cardinal principle of the left. they favor victim groups they have no agency. their behavior doesn't count. they are victims inevitably of structural racism. the effect of the matter is, if you are facing a deportation

risk company person that is responsible as you. by having made the voluntary choice to come into this country illegally. deportation is the universal response to illegal entry across the world. it is practiced without apology in countries south of the borde border. so, the american people are not to blame for this. they are simply asking that the rule of law be enforced. >> tucker: when you make that point, i think you're absolutely right, i made it, the response you get is well the united states is such a poisonous force in the region. our foreign policy is responsible for the fact that people are fleeing el salvador and guatemala and honduras. how would you respond to that? >> it is preposterous. i would ask back in response, if the u.s. is so poisonous, if this is a country so riveted by

racism and misogyny, why do you want all of these people of color to come into it? the left knows that in some part of its brain, in fact this is the most opportunity filled tolerant country on earth. that is why they want to bring in as many third world people of color. at the same time, it insists on this false narrative. we are engaging in lethal bias. >> tucker: what happens to people when you bring them into a country legally, let them stay illegally, give them asylum, any of those. the second you get here, they tell them the country moved here as an immoral place run by racists. how does that affect their view of their new home >> that is certainly the propaganda that they get in schools from kindergarten onwards. it results in assimilation downwards. we are seeing any hispanic community, yes, wonderful entre

nous per ship as your previous guests saw. we see gang involvement. dropping out of's schools. highest incentive was block. it doesn't help to be told that you are in a place that somehow oppresses you and to think of yourself as a victim. >> tucker: i think that does exactly right. heather macdonald, thank you very much. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: across the country, more and more on the left are turning towards violence as a political tool. in washington a secret service officer was injured, he was attacked by a man. the state of nebraska somebody smashed a window of a republican office with a brick. they spray-painted the phrase abolish ice on the window. the school, home of children of many presidents, they attacked the administrator at a restaurant.

today, this morning on nbc, a shirt saying your founding fathers had slaves. cedric is a journalist, he is joining us now. he was on the less, fairly recently. now, he is not. have you seen, have you noticed a progression, where they are defending things, doing things they would not have a year ago? >> yeah, it seems like they are hankering for a civil war. it would be very ill-advised considering we have all the guns as well as the market on the world's most valuable resource, which is toxic max salinity. masculinity. this is not attempt to be civil, you should be going after these

people appeared this open rhetoric of calling for violence is very interesting. michelle wolf is an interesting character. comedy is a great bellwether with what is happening in society. if you look at the great comedians, they are famous, we know that because they allow us to left ourselves. they speak universal truths in the most effective way possible, which is through humor. he don't have that anymore through comedy in the left. michelle wolf, she has hateful ideology peerage has hateful rhetoric. she is not funny. this is a thing with all comedians on the left. people aren't laughing because they are funny, they're laughing out of cruelty not mirth. you could tell how emotionally damage these people are. it is interesting, which could really come from this. i don't see how the democratic party really prepares itself after this. after the maxine waters comment.

after all this open violence. what might be the best thing for them is for them to completely crash and burn. for them to give up on 2,020. they need to reinvent themselves. that is when they become even more dangerous than they are no now. >> tucker: if there was a republican member of congress who stood up and said next time you see someone who's disagreeing, assemble a mob of people. go confront and harass them. i would like to think, that is totally over the line. that is just wrong. you are not seeing that respons response. are there any adults left? will they be standing up soon to calm which is pretty coming out of control. >> i don't see any adults in the room. whoever doesn't step up to do that, who does go up against the party, that's might be the new

face of the party. something they desperately need. they are openly spreading this rhetoric. wounded animal as the most dangerous, when it is injured. an animal, a wild animal. that is what you are seeing here. they are wounded, their frightening. they are lashing out. >> tucker: so what is the effect on you? you were until pretty recently on the left. you live in a very liberal neighborhood. you come on fox, he give opinions that are not popular in your neighborhood. what has happened to your life? >> i had been shouted at public places. it's a personal, it is very difficult. although, i will say i cannot go to many places. if i go to a bar or something without meeting someone come after a conversation i that they are very much questioning the

left. they are secretly knowing it is a load of bull. they are too frightened to stand up against the party. they are too frightened to what will happen to them personally. they will lose all their friends pair they might lose their jobs. they might lose their family members. a lot of people, they're just scared. >> tucker: of course they are scared. chadwick, thank you. >> thank you. spewing money on the left are demanding that the supreme court be expanded and packed with liberals. the next hammock democrats come to power, that would guarantee a liberal court forever and ever. we will talk to somebody who is advocating that ♪ -and we welcome back gary,

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>> tucker: the left is taking supreme court justice anthony retirement hard. some of them want to throw out the entire constitutional order and delegitimize the supreme court itself. he has been demanding that as soon as democrats hold power once again, we need to expand the size of the supreme court and pack it with liberals. we could go he tweeted this, "pack the courts." he joins us. thank you for coming on. >> hey, thanks for having me. >> tucker: wouldn't it just be easier to give california, 27 new congressional districts? and be done with it? or maybe just abolish congress

entirely? if the goal is to increase the power of the left, why mess around with the supreme court? >> the thing is, i think we very much agree on the basic end. the supreme court should not be a part of an institution subject to ideological swing. the problem is the supreme court, the justices, 14 out of the last 18 have been appointed by republican presidents. they had 11 in a row before ruth bader ginsburg. surprising, almost remarkable. we are left in this position now, the partisan balance is way out of whack with what people have voted for. what time in favor of, it is returning it to being a nonpartisan institution that is such a way from the fray of ideological politics. we can't do that until we crush the balance. >> tucker: [laughs] a year smooth i will say that. you tweeted, pack the court.

that should be up there with abolish ice. that is a nonpartisan statement, somehow? how does that work? how does increasing that on the court, indeed nonpartisan? >> when you encounter that, it it goes back. look, i would love a settlement once this is all done. i would love to get to a place, may be every president gets to, maybe three guarantee denominations. maybe we should have a even number? they that would nice. that is the art of the deal. the reality is, we are way out of whack. if we are to have any hope of moving forward, but doesn't have this ideological sway. we have someone to do. so let's do it. >> tucker: writes. so in other words, increase the power of the left and everything will be cool. as long as it is center rights

if you match public opinion polling. you will see the court does not way out to the right at all. i have seen it. >> oh, come on. you don't believe that. spew what i do believe it. >> i know you don't believe it i know you shouldn't. i don't think either of us believe that citizens united should come out to subject opinion poll. you know as i do, 75% -- spewed i'm not suggesting that. >> you are making the counter case. you are claiming that we need to pack the courts. >> tucker: it would be more representative of the public will? i am merely noting as a factual matter, the majority of the supreme court decisions fall within the center line. actually, there isn't a problem other than democrats don't get to do their will with the court

courts. >> i'm not so sure about that. i have tried to learn well from the most accomplished politicians. mitch mcconnell. he understood as well as i do, control in the supreme court is not something you just give awa away. that shrunk to eight members, until there is a president to his liking. remember, before the 2016 elections in john mccain, all of your beloved heroes. what i'm saying, if it is that counter politics, that has to swing both ways, we have to end it. >> tucker: you are saying that, just for the record, i hated that. i hated that they did that. i said that at the time.

he was a leftist posing as a centrist. i wasn't considering. however, what you are saying. we should not be legitimized in the courts, if it's all left. that is more cynical than i am. we are totally out of time. >> socialism will win, thanks for having me. >> tucker: [laughs] thank you for revealing yourself, i appreciate it. what a cat cap or its members dares to eat. a political crisis. he will weigh in on that's next. ♪ for two times faster absorption so you can have worry free nights, and wake up feeling fresh and free for a free sample visit tena.us

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>> tucker: maxine waters has been a cheering on the harassment of trump administration. today, the president struck bac back. "crazy maxine waters, the most corrupt person and politics. together with nancy pelosi, the face of the democratic party." she will make people flee. is that true? it does seem like there is a realignment going on on the left. something, momentous is happening with the democratic party. what you think it is?

>> they've been moving left for a long time. it is being tugged to go that way even more at the moment. some development within the party. the sheer force of the anti-trump movement, it has had that effect. all sisters are a go for everything you can to resist trump. maxine waters is a voice on tha that. that is where we are. of course, the election and new york city last week. a socialist. she has lots of radical ideas, in favor of those constituents. she will be a voice in the party. she's an attractive young candidate. she is a good story to tell. these people are effective in the party, as we are seeing it today. >> tucker: the argument against trump that the democrats are trying to make him he scary and radical. they could say it yet, may be

trump's radical. he doesn't want to abolish ice, or borders. you are even scarier. can they do that? can republicans flip it around? >> that is exactly what mr. trump's tweet represents. very straightforward and words of the tweet itself. maxine waters and nancy pelosi, two of the most controversial figures of the democratic party. they are the face of that. that is pretty straightforward. that is what you do. you try to associate a party with its most unattractive, politically unattractive elements. he has some animation to work with that. >> so, i don't believe with chuck schumer's politics. he's a smart person. i don't think he is a radical, he is not. why wouldn't chuck schumer call over to nancy pelosi, call over to the congressman, and say cool

it. why wouldn't he do that? >> he did express a disagreement with maxine waters and her advocating the harassment of trump officials in public place places. he is a seasoned politician. i am sure he is uncomfortable. remember, this is the party were he has to live and operate. he has to find a way to accommodate that. they are bent on the destruction of that presidency, with trying to do some responsible politics that won't alienate all the rest of the country. so, just not an easy job. i think he has a tough job ahead of him. >> tucker: can you imagine a day for conservatives are pining for the chuck schumer area? if only we have had a reasonable people. we might want chuck schumer tab more power than he has.

>> may be. if the democrats continue to pursue the agenda of its most leftists. they will have trouble at the ballot box. it won't matter particularly if chuck schumer remains there is somebody else. this hope for a blue wave that the democrats were predicting, it's very will not materialize. the republicans could continue to have control over both houses. the democrats will be in the desert, as they are now. that is what is at stake here. >> tucker: i predict that abolish ice is not a winning campaign slogan. >> of course not, it is crazy idea. you have enough people sang it within the party. people had to be reckoned with, it will be hard for them to shed that label. >> tucker: amazing.

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>> tucker: the trump administration will be provoking obama air legal guidelines. as the federal government encourages to use race as a factor in admissions. if that is the case, it will be a long-awaited blow for equality and civil rights and standards in american life. critical decisions are being made simply on people's appearance. on their race or gender, .

one place where their merit is most critical, medicine. they do it every day. confidence is critical there, obviously. the medical schools don't see it wednesday. when applying to medical school, two critical factors are in applicants gpa, and the score on the admissions test. it goes without saying the doctor ought to have excellent grades, and a high score. you would want that for your doctor. the standards are not the same for everybody. it differs by appearance. applicants with an mcat of 27 to 29 and a gpa to 3.4, if you have those numbers and you are asian, you have a 21% chance of getting into medical school. if you are white, you have a 29% getting in. if you are hispanic, you have a 60% chance of getting in. african-american applicants, they have an 81 acceptance rate.

in other words come with identical scores, an african-american applicant was four times as likely to be admitted because of appearance. he knows more than most people of the dark underbelly of medical schools, he is of indian heritage. he wanted to go to medical school, he shaved his head and started going by his middle name, joe joe. he presented himself as african-american. he said it made all the difference, wrote a book called "almost black." >> tucker: thank you for joining us tonight. so, you are convinced based on your experience that your race, with deep medical school procedure race to be was critical? >> so, exactly like you mention. i reviewed the data published by the american association. i figured out that i was much more likely to get in as an

african-american than as an asian american. i came up with that scam as you described. i managed to get into washington university, i'm sorry, get wait-listed. as the university of pennsylvania. they are the third and fourth best medical schools at the time. i managed to get into st. louis. despite the fact that my 3.1 gpa was dramatically lower than their average of 3.7. my plan paid off much more than i expected. >> tucker: what does that say about the people who run medical schools, they are willing to lower the scores. many of those who cut people open, and the name of some abstract diversity goal? >> tucker: that seems reckless reckless? >> as a result of the system they essentially allow the

students were not as qualified as others to get in. i don't want to talk about the end product. whether this results in people who are of lower quality. it is a system of legalized racism. the universities are promoting discrimination against asian-americans on a massive scale. it also promotes negative stereotypes on the competency and professionalism of african-americans as physicians and health care professionals. it is important to realize that the university of illinois, affirmative action actually produced negative stereotypes on african-americans and hispanics. >> tucker: is that some reason, that we should care what our doctors look like? is appearance critical to practicing medicine? >> first of all, i never

graduated so i never can say that it is. ultimately, we want to live in a society where you judge someone based on merit. your race should not be relevant to your ability to practice medicine or anything. that is not the type of society that we want to promote. >> tucker: yes. i'm sure you've taken criticism for this. i think you're a hero for doing it. i would love to hear your critics explain what you did wrong, because you can't. thank you for joining us. you probably heard liberals say they are awoke. they said that is a good thing, the phrase is not grammatically correct, obviously. what does that mean? kathy joins us next, her explanation. we'll be right back. owners always smiling? because they've chosen the industry leader.

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>> tucker: tomorrow, their vegan cookouts. whatever else the left does on july 4th other than celebrate america. the activists will be asking one another the single most question. are you woke? if so, how awoke are you? they are not asking about your level of alertness. there something more going on. stay woke, is a new watchword over the progressive left. what does it mean? we have questions like this, there's one person we go to. kathy rew. kathy, what is woke? are you woke? >> i am woke. you are work. we know it is happening. we are not distracted.

we know what is important with what is happening today. we are aware, we are enlightened. we are awoke. we are not busy with things that don't matter. we know what will happen. we know what the future. >> tucker: wait, so we both are woke? >> i think you are woke. you are more woke. you are the woke her. >> tucker: i think of myself more as comatose. kind of sedated. i thought there was a political connotation to it? >> yeah, i mean. >> tucker: you have to be on the left to be woke? >> when people are talking about the wall with mexico. half of us would say it does not

that's important because immigration was a real problem in 2007. you are not woke. stay woke. that is so 2007. are you asleep question works day woke. >> tucker: so the woke position would be build a wall, make america great again. >> that is a distraction. the wall is not needed. immigration is a big problem in 2007, it does not one today. that is a distraction. the conditions that people are living under, the detention centers, that is a real problem. stay woke. stay focused. keep thinking on what really matters. >> tucker: who decides? there are some subjective elements to this. someone will have to decide what is woke and what is not? is there a woke counsel? >> that would be reality. reality decides.

>> tucker: [laughs] >> on the street corner. if there is a nice police man giving a lollipop and everybody says policemen are so sweet. somebody from the black lives matter movement would say, there have been issues with the police. stay woke. >> tucker: what if you had a child, who didn't hate the police enough? your kid was not woke. what would you two with a not woke child? >> they should keep their adolescence happy as long as possible. if they read "alice in wonderland," there would be exposed to this concept of don't fall down that rabbit toll. stay focused. be woke. that is where it came from. the 1800s. don't except ignorance is bliss.

face the facts. >> tucker: victorians you are saying were highly woke. >> they almost grade of the ter term. >> tucker: it is so funny. when you think of the victorian era, you think of repression. you don't really think of black lives matter. >> luckily, a lot was learned from that era. people were able to get woke. that is how things happen. >> tucker: do you think this is slightly off-topic, is there a kind of dream like lsd infused quality to modern progressivism? or is that my imagination? >> the concept is to not fall asleep at the wheel. stay woke. don't be in lala land. you are telling people, stay woke. that is not the issue. >> tucker: wow.

you can sleep well come awoke. amazing. kathy, thank you. >> you're welcome, stay woke. >> tucker: no barbecue is complete without the liberals. stay queue for tomorrow's addition tomorrow. 8:00 p.m. eastern. up next, a amazing story. a soccer team in trial in demo , trapped. we have an expert, next. ♪ taking a breather. rewarded! learn more at theexplorercard.com

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october. our national coordinator of the u.s. rescue commission. an obvious question, how did they get there? how far are they? >> they are approximately 1.6 miles into the cave. initially, it is understood that they had gone a distance and when the water started rising. they were forced to go deeper to stay out of the water. >> tucker: a nightmare. how how do rescuers get to them right now? >> right now they're using cave diving techniques. >> tucker: which are dangerous? >> they are incredibly dangerous. they are dangerous for experienced divers who have been trained specifically on cave diving. they are incredibly dangerous for regular open divers who have not had that training.

>> tucker: news reports are suggesting, it is possible they will be stuck inside this air pockets for many months. is it possible to survive under those circumstances? >> absolutely. it is not really an error pocket, it's a section of the cave that is not currently flooded. it's above the floodwaters. >> tucker: how would rescuers move food, medicine, all the necessary staples to the group? >> they are bringing them in and steal packages that can survive going through the water. each one of them involves a lot of effort. a lot of risk as well. >> tucker: if the divers can get there, why can't they bring them back? >> think about this for a minute. you're talking about people who have no diving experience. the people who are going to them, the cave divers, they are

trained navy seal type divers. they had years and years of training and drills, knowledge of what to do. now, you will ask people who have a crash course on this. they don't have the built in automatic reflexes to recover if something goes wrong. the big problem you have an overhead type diving, where there is no air above you, just rock, if you panic, use your regular, use your air supply. you have to be able to keep cool and solve the problem. you only have a minute or so to do that. >> tucker: i can imagine anything more terrifying. it is like a nightmare. thank you for that explanation, i appreciate it. >> you are welcome. >> tucker: that is the end of our hour. you can tune in tomorrow night and every night at 8:00 p.m. tomorrow is the fourth of july. we hope you celebrate this nation and all of its goodness,

to the maximum extent. have a great day. we will see the day after. hannity is next with the judge. judge come are you there? >> i am here. >> judge jeanine: let's hope that they get out safely. amen. >> judge jeanine: welcome to hannity. i meant tonight for sean. get ready for one of the most contentious hearings ever peter strzok has officially been subpoenaed by the tertiary committee and will now be forced to testify in public next tuesday, july 10th. as most of you already know, peter is the corrupt anti-trump fbi investigator who played an important role and clearing hillary clinton of all charges back in 2016.