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inflamed fbi empployees working to accelerate an investigation into donald trump before election day. at heart of this peter strzok who landed the russia investigation from the beginning and promised his girlfriend they could stop trump. they did their best. in september 2016, carter page wrote a letter to the director of the fbi jim comey about false leaks about him. strzok's reaction: at a minimum this letter provides us the pretext to interview carter page. in other words an excuse. in another memo strzok tells page he is placing the hurry the f up pressure on mccabe to get a fisa warrant to spy on carter page. even after the election they

didn't stop. strzok stresses the need to share any derogatory information. these are the same people who wound up as members of the mueller investigation. there is no defending any of this. yet the left is. carter page is on the receiving end of this for years and joins us tonight. thanks for joining us. let's go back on the timeline to the letter you sent to jim comey then director of the fbi about the leaks against you. what were those leaks? >> well, i sent that on sunday september 25th of 2016. 2 days before that, on the friday september 23rd, there was a big defamatory article put out by yahoo news. as we learned from the house intelligence memos, that was part of the fake news article.

it was used as part of the fisa application. completely outrageous. >> tucker: i am having a little trouble with my audio. i am certain our audience can hear you just fine. just clarify for us, the basics here. you have not after all of this and you have been under surveillance and under investigation for years now. you have not been charged with anything. do you expect that you are going to be charged with anything after all of this? >> tucker, i think not even imagine anything they could be charged with. particularly after seeing john solomon's article today, using the terrill from that quote you had, pre-text. the pre-text was outrageous.m f

had, pre-text. the pre-text was outrageous. it's ridiculous and out of control. i can't imagine what i would be charged with. >> tucker: do you know after all of this, what exactly the suspected crime was? you were the subject of a fisa warrant. the federal government turning its surveillance powers on you. we have a whole court system to keep that being abused. why would the federal government want to read your emails and spy on you. what did they think you were doing? >> as we learned with the first inspector general report, there is a lot of political motivations behind what was happening earlier in the presidential election campaign. i think what is a lot of evidence that came out from the house intelligence committee and the senate committee and others.

it's completely political. there is no substance to this. >> tucker: if there were you would be charged with a felony. this is not the behavior of a free country, a government spying on its own citizens. what has this cost you? >> it's like what president trump said during the campaign. it's not about me. it's about us. it cost me tremendously. it cost many people in the trump movement. in terms of legal fees and challenges. in some cases a lot of terrorists threats. the big issue is obstruction with u.s. foreign policy. the terrible impact this has on the possibilities in terms of u.s.-russia relations creating

a better pathway for the world that president trump talked about during the campaign. i hope there will be a lot more of this. this is just the tip of the iceberg. a lot more coming out over the weeks to come. a bigger thing is coming in with the helsinki summit. i hope they chart a better course for the future of our country. >> tucker: we will be at that summit. i look forward to. carter page, thank you very much. chris is a radio show host and former staffer to senator chuck schumer of new york. i wanted to talk to carter page not because we are personal friends or i have a vested interest in his story or life but because i am an american. a guy who didn't commit a crime and his life wow destroyed by

the fbi and the obama administration. you can't look at that and not as an american feel outraged. yet the left is totally fine with what happened to carter page. what is that, do you think? >> well, i don't think anybody is fine with civil liberties being violated. i don't think they have. the man did take the fifth for a lot of questions when he was in that closed door session with congress. >> tucker: hold on. wait a 2nd. taking the fifth is a civil liberty. what law school did you go to? >> hold on a minute. i went to saint john's and i am proud of that. the president of the united states said if they take the fifth, they are guilty. >> tucker: i don't care what trump said. you have a right not to testify under the fifth amendment. and you have a right not to be spied upon for political reasons. why was carter page the subject of a fisa warrant after the fbi

already looked into his interactions with the russians? they abused his civil liberties and nobody cares because he volunteered for donald trump. that's police state stuff. >> no. remember the man started by providing documents to a russian spy in 2014. >> tucker: hold on. what were those documents. >> i don't know what they are. >> tucker: you don't know what they are? >> it's widely known and we will admit he gave documents to a russian spy. >> tucker: was it a pizza menu or the blueprints for a nuclear warhead? >> this is how they recruit you. they ask you to provide them with something that was legal. that russian spy was indicted and convicted.

this came up in that. the fbi was right to start looking into it. >> tucker: so they heard knew that the documents you attempted to make sound sinister amounted to nothing and carter page was not spying for the russian government. he was not a mole. they knew that. and yet they got a fisa warrant against him already. don't you think that the u.s. government spying on its own citizens ought to have a good reason. what about peter strzok and his girlfriend? >> the fact he was talking to russia and go to russia during the campaign, i think the fbi would be suspicious and they should have been. >> tucker: hold on. since you raised this allegation. we have carter page in the

studio. i want to ask him what these documents were. let's get very specific here. you pass documents to a rujss russian spy. what were the documents and why aren't you in prison? >> this is complete spin. i was teaching a course at new york university called energy in the world in the spring semester of 2013. i had a coffee with a diplomat from the russian consulate. >> a spy. >> i showed him a couple of course materials. >> [overlapping talking]. >> tucker: slow down. hold on. shouldn't you hear what the documents were? wouldn't that inform your judgment? it was a course description.

if you passed a course description for a public university to a foreigner whom you did not know was a spy, will you be betraying your country? >> i tend not to hang out with russian spies because i am trying to get a deal. >> [overlapping talking]. >> i love this country. >> tucker: you are saying carter page doesn't love this country. carter page, where did you go to college? >> the u.s. naval academy. >> tucker: you are accusing him of being unpatriteotic. he was a naval officer but doesn't love his country? >> i don't know what is in his heart. i head the files on you, carter, and you are a good person i hope this all goes away from you. from what i read it was something i would be concerned about if i was the fbi and you were on a presidential campaign.

>> tucker: do you love your country, carter page? >> i love my country and all of my actions directly speak to that. president trump and his initiatives in terms of building a better structure for international relations, particularly u.s. and russia relations will show great love for the country. >> tucker: i am embarrass dod live here. this is a shameful moment if our country history. disgusting. >> a great code word in that document from john solomon today. they used the term, a new code word dragon. that reminded me of dragon energy. that kanye west talked about. president trump is my brother. i love everyone. trying to create a better world for all american citizens and better peaceful situation in the

world versus what we heard from mr. hahn. tearing people down. the funny part is that going back to the dossier they pulled these same false hoods. >> tucker: you don't seem like a spy to me. we are out of time. thank you, both. whoa! dan served his country. a former secret service agent and joins us now. do you love your country? did you ever think we would get to a place where the mccarty era restarted with a different cast? people are accusing one another of not loving their country because they hand a college syllabus to someone working for a foreign country? >> it's a disgrace. this is a stain upon our country. >> tucker: it is.

>> alan dershowitz can't go to a dinner and he is a liberal, but he is asking: where is the crime? carter page is on your television show. if he is the greatest kingpin of a spy organization, why is he free? maybe you got the story wrong? did that occur to people in the media. >> tucker: i am not sure what carter page is saying some of the time but he is not betraying his country. to accuse him of espionage and spy on him is shameful paver. will -- behavior. will there be a point when the left wakes up and says we're abetting something dark and wrong? >> no, because they are not investigatoring a crime. the left is not looking for a crime. what they are looking for is the

scalp of donald trump. they are not looking for a crime. there is no crime. that solomon piece today on the hill is devastating. they went after carter page. the fbi read the media reports they leaked. they used the media reports carter page complained about to interview carter page. that's in the report today. is is this a 3rd world country? >> tucker: it seems like it. it's not about trump or carter page. it's about america. dan, thank you. democratic socialists are everywhere. the head of the democratic party says they are the future. what is democratic socialism? we have one of the most celebrated leaders of that movement corneal west joining us after the break. ♪motorcycle revving

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democratic party yet. it's a separate movement with its own national organization. the democratic socialists of america. 2 years they endorsed bernie sanders and opposed donald trump but didn't endorse hillary clinton. at times it's been antagonistic to the democratic party. what do they believe? there is no formal platform. democratic socialists support socialism. some support communism. co-chair of portland, oregon's chapter tweeted this. communism is good. democratic socialism is about more than economics. they demand reparation for avanaav african-americans and forgiveness of student loans and calls for an end to all

immigrant deportations everywhere in the u.s. in new york the dsa demanded the abolition of cash bail and borders. unlimited uncontrolled immigration into the u.s., the abolition of prisons and law and order itself. financed by an economic system that doesn't recognize profit. has that ever worked in the world? those are relevant questions. a democratic socialist could be elected president at some point. we thought it was a perfect moment to speak to the most famous of all advocates for democratic socialism cornell west. a professor at harvard. thanks for coming on. >> thank you. it's good to be in dialogue with you again. >> tucker: yes, it is. to give us a sense of what democratic socialism is, can you

point to an example that works? venezuela seems like an exact of democratic socialism. if so does it work? >> i don't think that democratic socialism as an ideal has been able to embodied in a larger social context. there are different forms of it. some are bad, some are medium, some are better. the fundamental commitment is to the dignity of ordinary people and make sure they live lives of decency. it's not an-ism. it's about decency and fairness and the accountability of the powerful. women in household, guys and trans and black people and immigrants. how do we ensure they are treated differently and the powerful don't exploit them? >> tucker: if that's what

democratic socialism is, then i am basically on board. i think middle-class people ought to have dignity and the current systems make that difficult. >> that's why albertine stein and helen keller and baker. we can go on and on. they are all democratic socialists. >> tucker: i understand. has it struck you as interesting it's never worked anywhere? the question is not what are our goals? our goals are the same. how do we get there is the question? what happened in venezuela? they don't have toilet paper. it's less equal than ever. >> part of the their problem is, brother, any times there were attempts of ordinary people to engage in self-determination, they can get crochets.

-- get crushed. the u.s. policies have been very hard. they get crushed or coerced and they end up responding to that kind of authority treatment. we never had a chance to pull it off. it's only a movement so far. it's an attempt to resist the greed and the racism and the homophobia. the ways humity is violated rather than affirmed. >> tucker: the dsa, one of the biggest in the country. they are against borders, profits and prisons. what would a country without prisons look like. what would you do with murderers or rapists with no prisons? >> they are talking about the kinds of prisons we have at the present.

if you have site of rehabilitation and education where transformation can take place, you and i ourselves, we are christians, right? we believe all human beings are not just made in the image of god but they can be transformed with the right kind of intervention takes place. that's what people need in the socialist movement talking about the elimination of the kind of prisonses in place. >> tucker: so they mean better prisons? what about borders? >> you can have distance, but you don't give up on them. you don't view them through the lens of being less than human. they can bounce back. they can be better. >> tucker: if a government's obligation is to its own citizens and you drop the borders and have no border enforcement at all, what would happen to this country? what would happen to the poor people in this country? would their lives get better? would they become more

prosperous? no, this country would become poorer, dirtier and impossible to manage. it would be flooded with the poor of the world and it would destroy our country instantly. why say no borders? >> well, again you have a variety of voices in the democratic socialists of america. we are like a jazz orchestra. we don't agree on one policy all the time. it's like some 0 in the middle like me. how do you keep track of the rich history of mexican-americans and coming from europe and asia. we know the history of america. but africans who were enslaved want to open the borders and bring folk in. it's not a matter of no borders at all. it's a matter of how do you

ensure their dignity is affirmed when they arrive so you don't have the trump administration separating children from their mothers and fathers. >> tucker: that's silly as you know. >> what is stilly? >> tucker: how do you think the descendants of american clav claves -- slaves benefit when you bring in more immigrants? i don't see that they get richer or happier? >> if we were having this discussion 100 years ago when you had millions of people coming from europe. irish hating britain and ireland and all of the folks who came into the making slices of this nation. that did not allow for the kind of coming together for poor and working people would straighten their backs up and speak with dignity about issues that affect

all of us. that's the history of the nation with the acception of the african-american slaves. now that the immigrants are here and a lot who only been here 1 or 2 generations are now defining what it is to be an american. how hypocritical can you get? i have been here 9 generations i can still embrace my hispanic brothers. >> tucker: get hold of the dsan are new york. >> we have a number of voices. you were just talking about disagreement. i believe in protecting civil liberties. yours and mines. bernie sanders. a whole host of folks.

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raise wages. it would be great if that happened. there are 7 million american men between 25 and 54. prime working age. unemployed and many stopped looking for work and are not counted in the unemployment numbers. each one is a living disaster. the tight labor market is what we could use to get many of them back to work. hiring americans reduces poverty and strengthens family and cuts crime and restores dignity to ruler america and make this a better country. some businesses don't want to do that. it's easier to import new workers. stuff. steve is a director of research for the center of immigration studies. how offensive to read that we have a labor shortage to import

more low wage labor? >> people with a high school education there are 40 million people between 18 and 65 who don't have a college education and are out of the work force. they don't show up in the statistics. there is no evidence of a labor shortage in america. >> tucker: it's just the opposite actually? there is a huge pool of people who are languishing without work and businesses rather than trying to do something, trying to improve public schools find it easier to import workers? >> look at wages as another measure. if labor was in tight supply, we would expect wages to be rising. over the last decade wages are stagnant or declined once you adjust for inflation. no evidence of a labor shortage. we worry about the working poor

and equality and work not paying. people dropping out and living on welfare. now we have an opportunity to see wages road. but the business community and allies in both parties want to bring in as many immigrant worker as they did. >> tucker: i wonder if socialism is popular with young people it's because wages are low and they can't afford to buy a house or get married. the left was historically on the side of workers and higher wages. they don't care. >> they just don't want to look at this question. we will increase minimum wage and have more welfare. whatever you think of the merry christmas of those policies, why isn't a tight labor market one of the best thing we can do for the working poor? one of the best anti-poverty programs. and self-esteem comes with it.

a tight labor market is the best thing we can do. immigration will sort circuit that if these people have their way. >> tucker: if you think of the majority of immigrants in this country voted republican, the democrats would renew their interest in a labor market? >> i hope you are wrong. >> tucker: not to be cynical. thank you. really interesting. san francisco the most beautiful city in the united states is coated in human waste and discarded sin ranchs. is -- syringes. [music playing] (vo) from the beginning, wells fargo has supported community organizations like united way, non-profits like the american red cross, and our nation's veterans. we knew helping our communities was important then. and we know it's even more important today.

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you could steal anything. the homeless have been flocking to the state of california. >> tucker: that was a proposition that made low level crimes not crimes. >> exactly. i can tell you on a personal level vickers people coming in to my stores on a regular basis, stealing items that my employees are finding on craigs list. and the police won't show up. where do you send a ticket for someone who is homeless? they made crime okay in the state of california. in san francisco, where you are talking about, that's pelosi's backyard. she is part of that liberal agenda that is driving california down the path that it's going. ruiz who. i running against is doing the

same thing. they want to turn the other way. >> tucker: they are in bubbles. san francisco is one of the richest places in all of human history. yet it has the most filth on the sidewalk and the most people living outside. do they not notice it? >> well, i don't think they care. they are trying to attract people to california to keep their voter base popular. i can tell you, this is not the california we want any longer. we need change here desperately. my empployees every morning have to go out does clean the feces and the needles and get people who are homeless to move. people are afraid to come to businesses in the state of california. as far as conventions coming to california, that's a big industry here. that is changing as well.

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revenge porn without the consent of the naked. it failed to pass and some say google is to blame for that. after not saying anything about the law for years, supporters say google demanded numerous changes on the day of the vote. the bill was not even voted on. beverly is the president of the district media group. do you think google killed the bill? >> google took way too long to voice their concerns. this bill has been there for 5 years. why so late in the game? i think it's suspect and i think they don't want to have to be involved. there is validity in not asking google or facebook on what should be on their platforms or what shouldn't? do we want facebook and google

to arbitrate what is consensual. do we want our free speech rights in their hands. >> tucker: well, they already clamp down on ideas they don't agree with and they are liberal. you raise a valid point. to what extent does google have control over the legislative process? >> too much. i it's suspect. i am not sure with these lethes legislators in new york state, why so late in the game? are they giving them funds for their campaigns? big tech they are to blame for a lot of things. the most surprising story about big tech they said on a fakes outlet that posting of the amendments from the constitution was a hate speech.

there was a texas publication that said we want to post an amendment every day and show people what is in the bill the rights. they said one was hate speech. they have unblocked it and put it back on. why is big tech determining what is hate speech and what is not? that's concerning. why are they in the pocket with elected officials? >> tucker: that's the question. you have a company that has more power than any company has ever had in human history over how we think. it has a demonstrated history of censorship in politics and congress does nothing about it. doesn't that almost suggest that they control the congress to a greater degree than a company should? >> and very concerning. the other side. on the platforms. i think government doesn't know how they work. cyber security and the russian and facebook. there are a lot of questions

from government and elected officials and these agencies, did they understand how it works? do they know the type of regulation? in many ways when you look at our tech innovation, it's outpacing what our lawmakers are able to keep up it. what is the answer to it when government officials don't understand it? i like that we have legislation on the state level dealing with some laws. we have to get away from bureau -- bureaucrats making regulations. government is not up to speed. >> tucker: the elected officials ought to be writing the laws and not people we have never heard of it. china ruling on new trade restrictions upon. intended to have an effect on our next election. a foreign power intervening in our democracy. we will be right back with that.

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for tariffs were chosen to hit president trump's supporters in the agricultural and industrial parts of the midwest." hmmm. china is hitting trump's supporters in the midwest. that's hacking our democracy. the "new york times" just spent a year decrying democracy hacking is not demanding an investigation. they didn't even notice. why is that? we will leave you the weekend to think about it. that's it. the [national anthem] ♪ [national anthem]

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